Live blog: Yob films himself braking so cyclist goes through rear windscreen; an innovative way to resolve this week’s helmet dispute + more
SUMMARY
Yob films himself braking so that cyclist goes through his rear windscreen
A video has been posted to Facebook of a driver slamming on his brakes so that a cyclist smashes through his rear windscreen. The footage was shot by the driver.
Several newspapers have reported on this, but it is not known when or where the footage was shot.
How to resolve the MIPS v WaveCel helmet dispute
This is easily solved by putting one person in a WaveCel helmet and one person in a MIPS helmet and having them charge at each other at full speed joust-style with heads bowed.https://t.co/bHC4dTRuY3
— Bike Snob NYC (@bikesnobnyc) March 21, 2019
References this.
Manchester to trial European-style zebra crossings at side roads
Another great slab of investment’s been announced in Manchester’s Beelines Network (more on that later). As well as a bunch of major construction projects, they’re going to trial European-style zebra crossings.
Transport for Greater Manchester has proposed an independent research project to investigate using European-style crossings at minor side road junctions to improve safety and enhance the experience for people travelling on foot or by bike.
Currently, zebra crossing-style markings are only permitted on UK roads where Belisha Beacons and zig zag markings are also in place and can cost around £30,000. If European-style crossings were to be permitted in the UK it would bring the cost per side road junction down to around £500.
Chris Boardman said: “The majority of European cities use zebra crossings at side roads to give a clear and simple message to drivers that they must give way to people travelling on foot. They are used in cities across the world and now we want to see if this approach can work in Greater Manchester.
“If it can, and with help from Department for Transport, it will enable us to quickly and cheaply ensure that people are much better protected on every-day journeys including trips to school, to the shops, to work.”
Proposals for a new Greater Manchester bike hire scheme
No real details yet, but a proposal to bring forward a Greater Manchester bike hire scheme will be considered by the Greater Manchester Combined Authority on March 29.
Further details will be announced in the Spring, apparently.
Next wave of Bee Network projects: £137m to be invested in 18 new cycling and walking schemes around Manchester
Oxford man jailed for using his dog 'as a weapon' against city centre cyclists
The road.cc ride out was fun as always!
And the rain even hold off… thanks for coming everyone!
CHPT3 unveils Milan-Sanremo inspired collection
David Millar’s design house CHPT3 has collaborated with long-term partner Castelli to produce a collection of cycling kit inspired by Milan-Sanremo, just prior to this year’s editions (it takes place tomorrow).
The MSR Jersey (£120) is made with a fabric previously exclusive to Castelli’s Maglia Rosa jersey, so it is a race weight, aerodynamic and high-wicking.
CHPT3 designers have softened the race jersey it is based on by including a touch of elastane and employing a less constrictive cut.
“The colours of the MSR Jersey reflect the muted, industrial portion of the race, inferring what’s to come with flashes of Mediterranean colour woven in,” says CHPT3. “Meanwhile, the rear pockets show the chevrons of the Turchino Pass – the turning point in the race.”
The MSR Base Layer (£70) is made from a lightweight mesh fabric originally chosen by Castelli to make a super-lightweight climber’s jersey for the Tour de France.
“MSR embodies so much of the madness inherent in our sport: a 300km race where everything happens in the final 30km,” says David Millar. “Racers will always split races into sections. MSR is two halves, the tunnel of the Turchino Pass is the spiritual halfway point. The moment we exit the tunnel we descend to the coast and enter a brave new world – one where we’re more at home.
“With the MSR collection, we’ve taken this racing mindstate of compartmentalising everything and created a beautiful design, splitting the race up by the visual impression it leaves.”
The MSR collection, which also includes a cycling cap (£25) and socks (£18), is available now from CHPT3.com and selected retailers.
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@Sheen wheels I have a version of the R8100 and you definitively need ceramic for the socket Oh no, you don't! Ceramic sockets pretty rare and, as far as I know, only with ceramic and not metal 'ball' (femoral head)
@mitsky Its another one of those things that makes no sense isn't it. Someone was saying in another thread that we need a harder driving test. I don't think we do. Everyone who has passed in the last 20 years has done a test that is more than happy to fail you for behaviour that 90% of drivers exhibit every time they get behind the wheel. The test is fine. The fact that getting your license seems to be considered some weird proof that you will continue to drive safely is the issue. The fact that when you prove that you cannot drive safely its not immediately revoked is the issue.
@Rendel Harris The issue with GPS chips, as everyone who has one of those black boxes will attest to, is that they are crap. They interpret heavy braking as poor driving rather than someone else forcing it. They see rapid acceleration where there is none. All we need is a much higher chance of people being caught and punished for their everyday shit driving. I'm sure as a cyclist that every single time you go out on your bike you will have a dozen or more times when you think "that would have been a nasty accident if someone was coming the other direction". Eventually, when bad behaviour suffers no consequences it becomes completely normalised. Then we struggle to treat it as anything but a normal, unavoidable accident when that bad behaviour does incur consequences.
Drivers regularly pull out in front of me and cause me to slam on the brakes or avoid them. Very often they have seen me and just assume I'm not going very fast or they assume I will slow down/stop (which I do). Too many drivers don't look for cyclists, hate giving way to them or expect the cyclist to be moving slowly and just pull out.
@Rendel Harris By the time someone is looking at prison time its too late. As has been proven time and time again, the severity of punishment is a poor deterrent to bad behaviour if people don't think its going to happen to them or they don't think they will be caught. Now I do think that there should be far more severe and immediate punishments for bad driving when drivers are caught but this would need to be coupled with a massive push to actually act on information/proof of bad driving. As anyone that submits footage to the police knows, its a crapshoot and certain police forces are anti-cyclist. This would try to essentially put people off misbehaving whilst driving before they cause an accident rather than getting the tired old excuse of "it was a single dangerous incident, they definitely don't do this all the time and their luck finally ran out". Perhaps it should go even further and if you have a history of speeding and you hurt someone speeding, that is looked upon in a very dim light.
Can we talk about “Washing up liquid contains a lot of salt – not a great idea to use a corrosive substance on a bicycle”? This is an urban myth. I have washed all of our many bikes using Fairy liquid or Ecover for decades. I’ve never found any evidence of corrosion, paint, laquer or decal wear, or any sign of anything. I regularly service forks and bearings, swapping a lot of gear, and everything has always been fine. Here’s far too much info below - long story short, Fairy liquid in 5L of hot water has a borderline-homeopathic amount of salt, it’s fine to use on a bike. ============ The honest answer is that neither Fairy nor Ecover publicly disclose the actual sodium chloride concentration in the consumer products I could find. The safety data sheets list hazardous ingredients above reporting thresholds, but sodium chloride is not reported for either product. However, we can put some realistic bounds on it. Fairy Original The SDS lists: Sodium laureth sulfate: 20-30% Lauramine oxide: 5-10% Alcohol: 1-5% No sodium chloride is declared. 15 In detergent formulations, sodium chloride is commonly used as a viscosity modifier (thickener) and is typically present at around 0.5-3%, sometimes lower. The absence of declaration suggests it is either not present or present at a low concentration that does not require reporting. This range is an informed formulation estimate, not a value stated by Fairy. Ecover The Ecover ingredient information lists: Sodium lauryl sulfate Lauryl glucoside Cocamidopropyl betaine Alcohol Lactic acid Sodium octyl sulphate Again, no sodium chloride is listed. Ecover's formulations tend to rely more heavily on plant-derived surfactants and may use little or no salt for thickening, but I could not find a published concentration. 63 What does this mean for bike washing? Let's assume a worst-case 3% salt content in Fairy. If you add: 10 mL Fairy to a 5-litre bucket Then salt introduced would be approximately: 10 mL × 3% ≈ 0.3 g salt Distributed through 5 L water ≈ 60 mg/L salt For comparison: Typical seawater: ~35,000 mg/L Lightly salted winter road spray: often hundreds to thousands of mg/L The wash bucket above: ~60 mg/L So even under a pessimistic assumption, the salt concentration is hundreds to thousands of times lower than the salt exposure your bike gets from winter roads. From a corrosion perspective, the quantity of salt introduced by washing-up liquid is essentially negligible compared with: Riding on salted roads Coastal spray Leaving winter grime on the bike Therefore my practical conclusion remains: ✅ Fairy or Ecover in a wash bucket is extremely unlikely to contribute any measurable corrosion risk. ✅ The important thing is rinsing and drying afterwards. ✅ Winter road salt is the real enemy, not washing-up liquid.
Another example of a driver's actions that would have been a straight fail in a driving test but is barely likely to lead to a disqualification... I'm wondering if having a driving licence is like a "Get out of jail free" card...
Yes indeed. I have a version of the R8100 and you definitively need ceramic for the socket.
@perce I'm not sure I agree with that. I think thats just confirming that he is take fully responsibility and recognises that the cyclist could have done nothing to mitigate it.
If we don't fight it now, we'll all end up forced to wear baggy shorts!
31 thoughts on “Live blog: Yob films himself braking so cyclist goes through rear windscreen; an innovative way to resolve this week’s helmet dispute + more”
Surely that’s causing injury
Surely that’s causing injury by careless (or something, FFS!) driving?? Clearly intentional.
(Admittedly, the chances of actually tracking it down…).
brooksby wrote:
Driver INTENTIONALLY applied the brakes, anyone sensible person would clearly see that as dangerous but unfortunately I doubt you’d get a jury of his peers (who will likely be drivers) would see it that way and just class it as careless 🙁
Was there a motor on the bike
Was there a motor on the bike? Seems like it.
Clearly using the phone
Clearly using the phone whilst driving and capturing a deliberate attempt to harm another road user – a prosecution should be a formality.
I could be wrong but kind of
I could be wrong but kind of looks fake to me.
The cyclist is on the path from the start and the driver knew he would join the road? The way he smashes into the rear window doesn’t look right and his reaction seems off, similar to other fake videos I’ve seen.
If it is somehow real then the driver should face no less than the death penatly
NorthEastJimmy wrote:
Actually you can clearly see him look over his shoulder as he pulls on to the road
Face clearly identifiable,
Face clearly identifiable, make of car can be determined aas a grey micra and the shape will give an age to it. Police should be able to narrow it down a bit to males in the right age range, and add in the accent they should be able to get pretty close to a region too.
I’d be surprised if this hadn’t been reported by the cyclist, unless it was a setup.
As has been mentioned looks
As has been mentioned looks like a motorcyclist of the e variety seeing as he’s not pedalling at all.
Yob films motorcyclist crash into car in fake attempt at viral video. That’s better.
The most surprising thing
The only surprising thing about this is this website’s use of the word “yob”. I thought that wasn’t allowed these days. Surely, in the modern parlance, he is a left-behind, with concerns about sharing the road with people he dislikes, which elites like us have failed to recognize. The local BBC radio station will probably get him on to provide ‘balance’ the next time they have a “Cyclists: nuisance or menace?” call-in.
Definitely something fishy
Definitely something fishy about that…
JohnnyRemo wrote:
Both on the wrongside of the road too.
If it’s fake:
If it’s fake:
– no seatbelt
– using a phone whilst driving
If it’s real:
– deliberately causing an accident (irrespective of whether bike has a motor)
– no seatbelt
– using a phone whilst driving
Likely police action:
If it’s fake: no action
If it’s real: caution the cyclist for not wearing a helmet, cycling on a pavement and / or cycling too close to a car and / or – the video doesn’t show a driver not wearing a seatbelt, using a phone whilst driving or causing an accident.
Several news papers carried
Several news papers carried this fake content so road.cc jumps on the bandwagon, come on Alex.
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Regardless of whether this is
Regardless of whether this is set up, unless it was a closed road (which I doubt), then surely there is still an offensive. Does using a car in an attempt to make a viral video class as dangerous or careless driving??
Trouble is, fake or not, and
Trouble is, fake or not, and I’m in the fake brigade, the dullards will see this and think I’ll try that, no one will get hurt.
Trouble is, fake or not, and
Trouble is, fake or not, and I’m in the fake brigade, the dullards will see this and think I’ll try that, no one will get hurt.
If its real they can’t
If its real they can’t convict him for deliberately causing the accident because you can’t see the front, so we don’t know that a kid didn’t run out onto the road or whatever.
Kadinkski wrote:
How would the drive rhave known? He wasn’t paying any attention to what was happening in front of him.
If this is a fake, then he’s just paid for it with a smashed rear window, so serves him right. If not fake, then I’m sure the full force of the law will come down on him (yeah, right).
Kendalred wrote:
Even it is fake, and all pre-arranged, then isn’t “pi$$ing around on the road, braking unnecessarily so as to cause a hazard to other road users, and breaking glass everywhere” all still covered by some law or other?
As always bikesnobnyc gets to
As always bikesnobnyc gets to the real heart of the matter.
Was it down-hill? (explains
Was it down-hill? (explains speed and no pedalling).
Cyclist was going at speed on a pavement.
I thought cyclists were
I thought cyclists were clever, looks like I’m mistaken and I retain my title as an elite being. Fake or not, what you’ve all failed to spot is that the video is flipped, the car is driving on the wrong side of the road, therefore it’s the passenger filming, not the driver. Still doesn’t excuse idiotic and dangerous behaviour.
Lucero79 wrote:
I already mentioned about it being on the wrong side of the road…
Do pay attention.
With the massive amount of
With the massive amount of advert tracking code this page is now completely unusable.
12Mb and 3 minutes to load so far. I have a 40Mb fibre connection so the delay is your end.
Bit puzzled with the audio on
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if chris boardman thinks
if chris boardman thinks following european zebra crossings is a good thing, come to france. No bugger stops, ever, despite it being the law.
Almost got run over in spain too taking the UK approach to Zebra crossings
ChancerOnABike wrote:
If you come back to Britain, you’ll find the same attitude is prevalent here, even when there are crossing lights!
ChancerOnABike wrote:
If you come back to Britain, you’ll find the same attitude is prevalent here, even when there are crossing lights!
janusz0 wrote:
No, that’s not true. Motorists here are pretty good at stopping at zebra crossings. Certainly much better than Spain, France and Italy anyway.
Probably fake. But surely
Probably fake. But surely whether it’s the ‘wrong’ side of the road depends on what country it is in?
Either way, who cares? Without any details it’s meaningless. If there’s a video it’s not there for me and I can’t be bothered to look for it.
But judging from the still image, I think the driver should be arrested for that horrible hair-cut and weird facial expression.