A former team-mate of disgraced cyclist Lance Armstrong says the rider who cheated his way to seven Tour de France victories should get those titles back.
Scott Mercier and Armstrong were on the US team at the 1992 Barcelona Olympic Games.
After a solid career on the North American circuit, Mercier joined the US Postal team, but left in 1997 after realising that the only way he could compete in Europe was to take performance-enhancing drugs.
He went on to run a restaurant with his father in Hawaii and then took a job as a financial advisor in Grand Junction, Colorado.
Armstrong joined US Postal the following year after recovering from cancer, and won his first Tour de France in 1999.
After a lengthy investigation by the US Anti-Doping Agency, Armstrong was stripped of his seven Tour de France titles in 2012.
But Mercier says Armstrong should be given a second chance.
"It's time to consider letting Lance out of 'time-out'," he told BBC Sport's Matt Slater.
"He is a polarising figure and always will be, but I believe he can be a catalyst for good; not just for cycling, but especially for those who suffer from cancer," he said.
In recent years Mercier and Armstrong have forged an unlikely friendship.
In a BBC interview last week Armstrong told Dan Roan that Mercier was a "great example" of someone who had left cycling with his integrity undamaged.
Armstrong said: "He's somebody I raced with before, during, and after. And he's one of my closest friends now, so Scott and I have these conversations all the time."
Mercier thinks American cyclists such as Armstrong and Tyler Hamilton have shouldered a disproportionate amount of the blame for the doping of a generation of cyclists.
Hamilton, he points out, was stripped of his 2004 Olympic gold medal after confessing to doping, but that medal went to Viatcheslav Ekimov, the Russian who had been one of Armstrong's right-hand-men at US Postal.
"This drug usage did not start with the Americans – it was part of the culture long before the Yankees invaded," Mercier said.
"The Europeans have gotten a far easier ride than our riders.
"It's time to be honest, it may be painful, but I believe honesty and transparency are the best path forward.
"In my mind, Tyler is the gold medallist from 2004 and Lance Armstrong the winner of seven Tours of France."
And he doesn't think Armstrong deserves to be more harshly punished for forcing his team-mates to use performance-enhancing drugs.
"No-one forced me to leave, I left of my own free will," he said, adding that Armstrong's sponsors cannot claim to be "victims" either because "they got their money's worth" in publicity.
Mercier seems to believe Armstrong has genuinely changed.
"I was never much of a Team Lance fan," he said.
"I knew he was lying and his arrogance and boorish behaviour made me cringe.
"However, my issue with him was never about his performance. He was, quite simply, the best of his generation and is one of the fiercest competitors the world has ever seen.
"He says if there was anything he could change, it would be the way he treated people. I believe him. I've seen the way he treats people today and it's with humility and grace."

58 thoughts on “Lance Armstrong should get his titles back, says former team-mate”
people must realise that
people must realise that there are consequences for their actions lance is guilty and must stay guilty.
ciderman_100 wrote:people
No one says he isn’t guilty. It’s just that everyone else was probably guilty as well. Back in the mid to late 90s they were all at it. Armstrong was just a smarter better cheat than all the other cheats and he beat all the other cheats into the bargain.
Now it was clear that back in the day Coppi et al were also well at the aphetamines everyone knows it and its part of history. The key fact in the drugs arms race that has always been part of pro cycling is that the drugs weren’t all that spectacular at performance enhancing prior to the mid-90s. So a really good clean pro rider could be competitive with a dirty rider. Cheating was an edge but not a massive one. Round about the mid 90s and the development of EPO you had a substance that was so effective at improving performance that it would not have been possible for a clean rider to compete in a dirty race. Essentially this was a European cycling culture that teams like US postal had to deal with. I can’t find the quote but one of them was on record as saying that when they arrived as the top cyclists in the US and clean and realised they could not even keep up in European races. So either they just gave up the idea that they could be pros in the European scene or they could do what all the other pros were doingand get in the race.
So let Armtstrong have his titles back and everyone will still know that he was a drugs cheat that beat all the other drugs cheats to win the Tour de France. And let’s not pretend that Armstrong was the only one of a few that did it. Cos that would be a lie.
oozaveared wrote:Armstrong
I know what you mean but he was not smarter than the cheats that didn’t get caught or the ones (like David Millar) who were wise and grown-up in their tone and actions after getting caught. Even now, Lance wants us to let him race again so we don’t punish the cancer victims or his mum, who “doesn’t have MS but if she did” etc etc!
vbvb wrote:Even now, Lance
This is what it’s about. This stuff, supposedly from Scott, and all the other crap being bandied about is all part of the Armstrong PR machine in overdrive. Even my colleagues at work, who know very little about pro cycling, are sick of this stuff popping up on sports news websites etc.
He’s trying to appeal to people’s better nature with the crap about the ‘unfairness’ of it all but playing fair was something he never did, either on the bike, via the media or in the courts. He has repeatedly shown that he is NOT sorry and would do it all again. So why forgive him?
Simon E wrote:vbvb wrote:Even
This!
Interestingly Scott Mercier appears as ‘Lance’s friend’ in the latest Rouleur (a pathetic, weird and arselicking account). This is the concerted PR effort from Lance to rehabilitate himself, not by coming clean, not by admitting all his misdemeanours, not by helping cycling and sport, but by manipulating the public….his prime MO.
Just piss off Lance unless you really are sorry.
Colin Peyresourde
I’m sure I’ll regret asking this, but how does he demonstrate that he ‘really is sorry’?
Kadinkski wrote:
I’m sure
Write a book about how really sorry he is, and how it made him really, really sad, but now he feels better to admit it. Then go on TV telling every one about his book and how sorry he is and how it all made him really really sad. Sell lots of books. Sound familiar?
Kadinkski wrote:Colin
I’m sure I’ll regret asking this, but how does he demonstrate that he ‘really is sorry’?— Colin Peyresourde
Did you not read my post? Coming clean, admitting all his misdemeanors etc. He still denies doping in 2009 and 2010. He could help change things, but instead chooses not to. They gave him the opportunity to reduce his ban by doing this but he refuses, so he is no better than before. Plus if he can’t admit the more recent doping and give details of what he did why should he be let back in to anything? Chances are he’s just going to do the same. The evidence suggests that Lance was wrapped up in doping of some sort of other (via connections in his early career) from the very beginning, albeit that it probably roids, not EPO. He still shows no sign of changing – so tell me know why Lance should be allowed back?
ciderman_100 wrote:I can’t
Lance came to Europe as a big name in the US – I think he had just been crowned US junior champion. And in his first pro race in Europe (Classica de San Sebastian) he came dead last. On his own. 30 minutes behind the winner.
I think the quote you’re referring to was something like “we realised that we had bought knives to a gunfight” and he talked about his choice at that moment was to give up what he had been so determined to achieve, go home and work in a bike shop, or to do what everyone else was doing and take PEDs.
I know what i would have chosen.
Kadinkski wrote:ciderman_100
Yes thankyou for that. It was the quote I was thinking of. And it makes the decision he faced quite clear.
people must realise that
people must realise that there are consequences for their actions lance is guilty and must stay guilty.
It is horrifically unfair
It is horrifically unfair that Lance has been punished so harshly when others have done the same and got away with a slap on the wrist. But why anyone should care about him being treated unfairly is beyond me? He’s never worried about fairness before. Punishment for Armstrong should be more about showing what will happen to the next GT winner who gets popped.
I was never a fan of
I was never a fan of Armstrong. But how can he be stripped of his titles but the green / polka dot jerseys still stand. It’s a farce. He is treated based on his bullying arrogant nature rather than the doping. There is no evidence that he did more drugs / transfusions than the majority of the peleton. So why did the team mates who gave evidence get short sentences and he gets life. Was he the ring leader or was it the doctors ? Armstrong was not the Daddy of dopers.
Also until proved otherwise I do not think he looked like a juiced rider in 2009/10. But he certainly spiced the race up in 2009. You cannot take away his athleticism.
He was not the antichrist just a bully and a cheat. He should have the same sentence as the others. Or the others should get same sentence as him.
The retrospective EPO testing
The retrospective EPO testing from the 1999 tour is interesting, when you compare the number of samples from Armstrong that tested positive, compared with the number of samples from others…..
Guilt doesn’t fade off!
Guilt doesn’t fade off!
“It’s time to consider
But Armstrong has only been in ‘time-out’ for 2.5 years since the USADA document, and 2 years since he confessed himself.
Given the fact that he was doping for at least seven years, it seems a bit premature at best to be talking of this now. As others have said, actions have consequences.
I completely agree about the disparity with the stripping of wins against other jerseys, and if proved the disparity between American cyclists and European ones, but the solution should be harsher punishments for those deemed to be ‘getting off lightly’, rather than letting infringer’s off the hook faster.
I think people forget that at
(|:
I think people forget that at least part of the reason his punishment is relatively severe is his refusal to co-operate with the investigating authorities even when it must have been obvious that the game was up.
I have to say though that ‘everyone else was doing it too’ is the sort of excuse that the average 7 year old works out early on doesn’t really fly…
Also in breaking
Also in breaking news:
Lance’s mum thinks he should get his titles back too, an opinion shared with with ex athlete Lance Armstrong
Has anyone ever worked out
Has anyone ever worked out how much less would be written about cycling in the media if there had never been any drug scandals ?Probably keeps a few journalists in a job. Especially in the off season. Thank heavens for cheats eh.
Like him or loathe him,
Like him or loathe him, Armstrong was arguably one of the greatest cyclists ever, he won his titles on a flat playing field against like minded individuals who were told , if you want to be competitive you need to dope, bread and water won’t cut the mustard. Drugs and doping has been around the TDF since its inception 110 years ago or so,so why shouldn’t he get his titles back, anyone half interested in cycling will know the years he won, and look at the record books and say Armstrong won this year and that year even know his name is not listed. Yes he was an arse and a bully , but he was a man in control of his own destiny, and needed to control everything and everyone in his life to make himself the best in the world, which he did , regardless of who he hurt or trampled on in the process ( of which i think he regrets, if his latest BBC interview is anything to go by?), it still doesn’t detract from the fact he was the 7 time winner of the hardest physical competition in the world. The L.A story will go on !!!
@mark shelton
Will it go on
@mark shelton
Will it go on or will he just continue to gain the odd bit of media exposure before eventually disappearing from public view? After all he’s not really saying anything new and there is no real contrition.
Incidentally the playing field was not level – EPO has varying levels of efficacy so perhaps Lance was just lucky in that it gave him the greatest boost to be able to outperform Ulrich, Basso, Riis etc., who were all doping themselves. Added to this there may have been numerous riders who weren’t doping or at least not in such a systematic way as Armstrong. He was undoubtedly a talented athlete but we’ll never know his true talent only how he rode doped. Added to his bullying and contempt for anyone who stood in his way then he has the punishment he deserves.
I look forward to the increasing gaps between the LA stories on this site and the cycling press.
mark shelton wrote:Like him
You should spend more time learning punctuation than licking LA’s arse.
I wasn’t Licking Armstrongs
I wasn’t Licking Armstrongs arse. Took me all my time to think about posting my opinion because of the more than average amount of dickheads on this site who think they’re the dogs’ bollocks!!!! i won’t be doing it again so some pedantic tackle tart, all the gear no idea idiot can slag off my F@**ing punctuation!!!!! Seem to be justified in my concerns =D>
I wasn’t Licking Armstrongs
I wasn’t Licking Armstrongs arse. Took me all my time to think about posting my opinion because of the more than average amount of dickheads on this site who think they’re the dogs’ bollocks!!!! i won’t be doing it again so some pedantic tackle tart, all the gear no idea idiot can slag off my F@**ing punctuation!!!!! Seem to be justified in my concerns =D>
You should spend more time
You should spend more time learning punctuation than licking LA’s arse.[/quote]
That’s a very intelligent comment. Clearly a Graduate.
Forgiveness is next to Godliness
We are all sinners in Gods eye
As I said previously not a
As I said previously not a fan and never was but I agree with previous post. We can pretend he never won the 7 titles but he did. He cheated against some other cheats. And the clean riders were just canon fodder. Imagine battering yourself around France for 21 days – CLEAN – knowing the doped riders are getting the glory. I’d say that was character building par excellence.
11speedaddict wrote:Imagine
Exactly what Boardman seems to have done. He could compete for one or two days, but over 21 days he was stuffed.
The fact that there were clean riders in there means that Lance shouldn’t ever get those titles back, and we should press for other riders to lose their titles, too. Even Pantani, though that might be too controversial.
Lance’s main problem is that
Lance’s main problem is that people did not like him. Sure the Russians were doping, the Russians are still doping.
Lance was playing on a level playing field, taking drugs was part of the game. Since then the rules have changed. But performance gains now depend on sophisticated teams, specialized training, and high tech product development.
Compared to now the doping in the 90s was an amateurish attempt to improve training performance.
Lance Armstrong should get
Lance Armstrong should get his titles back?
Isn’t it a bit like saying that a burglar should be given back the goods he stole after dong his time?
Jacobi wrote:Lance Armstrong
The only other people in contention for the titles were also on EPO. So if he stole them he was stealing them from someone who was also cheating and therefore trying to steal them from him.
I don’t think anyone is arguing that LA is a great guy and that cheating was fine. It’s more like since everyone was cheating the races were a far fairer contest than people like to admit.
Personally I don’t like all this going back and changing history stuff. Every knows who won the Tdf on those 7 occasions and that EPO was used by all the main teams.
I think I see what you’re
I think I see what you’re saying.
You reckon that what he did was OK because he stole from other would-be thieves? And, if some people cheat, we should all cheat to keep it fair?
Jacobi wrote: You reckon that
Yes
No
oozaveared wrote:The only
Again, read up on the retrospective EPO tests on the 1999 TDF samples – 12 positives from all samples taken in the tour that year, 6 of them from Armstrong tests.
I’m not saying cycling then was clean, but maybe enough people were running scared enough after Festina that things were being pulled right back….
CarlosFerreiro
That’s because he had 4 stage victories and was the race leader for a while. You win more you get tested more. No one’s interested in whether the Lantern Rouge is on PEDs.
oozaveared
That’s because he had 4 stage victories and was the race leader for a while. You win more you get tested more. No one’s interested in whether the Lantern Rouge is on PEDs.— oozavearedEasy to argue they all doped in training and then cut back before crossing the French border and into potential jail time.
Still Fernando Escartín has a good reputation. If he’s too high up the GC for your liking then I’ve not seen anything at all on Stéphane Heulot, and you’ve only got to go to 14th for him….
Obviously you can play this game for a long time. Ironically 1999 Lantern Rouge Jacky Durand did test positive retrospectively (not sure if it was from his 99 or 98 samples) 😉
ABSOLUTELY.
And now for
ABSOLUTELY. B-)
And now for the Fan-Boy, panty-boy news and Statist alert!
Let the wailing begin…
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All the sock-puppet
All the sock-puppet apologists come crawling out the woodwork – Lance is due in court and all his acolytes start reciting the case for the defence.
I guess many of these people has their heads so far up his ar$e they can’t accept his role as the head of the snake?
Yes, others doped, but they didn’t have the UCI in their pocket, conspire to bribe officials, use his wealth to procure ‘preparation’ that others couldn’t afford, bully others who didn’t kow-tow to him nor use charity donations to employ lawyers to threaten and censure anyone who spoke against him.
I think LA should get his
I think LA should get his titles back if only to give self-righteous twats a collective heart attack.
LA just wants to compete in
LA just wants to compete in veteran events. I don’t think he wants the titles back because I don’t think he actually thinks they have been taken away from him. He believes he won them fair and square and no one is going to convince him otherwise. He probably doesn’t read the road cc forum.
I think his biggest crime is taking up Golf. He should be ashamed
11speedaddict wrote:LA just
I think that’s a good observation actually. If you were to ask me who the greatest TdF rider was I’d still say it was between LA and EM.
Oh the LA lover/PR machine is
Oh the LA lover/PR machine is in full spin now. If found guilty of drugging you deserve to lose the title, so tough Lance.
why don;t you just crawl back into your hole you came from and leave the sport alone ?
All dopers should have their
All dopers should have their titles taken away. No exceptions.
Might I offer a
Might I offer a compromise?
1) Let the records stand. Because even if you leave a blank we all know who crossed the line first and you have to state why the gap exists.
2) Where there is an admission of guilt/cheating or they are found guilty of cheating then alongside their name in the record should be a comment pointing this out.
for example.
Tour de Neverland
1902 Peter Pan 30h 52min 15sec Cheated-Use of Fairy dust
No gaps in the record and a name & shame for all time. 😀
They have let the records
They have let the records stand in athletics and especially the women’s and look at the joke most of them are …
Take all the drugs away and
Take all the drugs away and he would of still won the TdF, maybe not 7 times but he would still of won multiple times, it’s in his character.
Let’s just take every dopers titles off them, wipe out the history of cycling why we are at it. He won that’s it. No one says you have to like him.
I can’t stand the Pantani hero worship, to me he was a whinging whining little woe is me diva, but it’s ok he doped and used recreational drugs, because he had panache, and is Italien. Cheat cheat cheat. However he was a great bike rider and a champion.
Cyclist wrote:Take all the
No he wouldn’t. Blood doping benefits most those with naturally lower hematocrit levels. Armstrong was one such, so by blood doping he gained more than those with naturally higher levels.
Before he doped he struggled to recover on long stage races. Blood doping gave him a significantly greater advantage than those (like Pantani) who had naturally high hematocrit levels.
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The wonderful irony of all
The wonderful irony of all this is that Lance is right. It was and is unfair. You don’t strip titles from one guy but leave others (Riis, Vinokourov) to carry on running teams. Or leave every other doper (way too many to mention) with their race victories and prize money.
Had they just left well alone, left him with his 7 Tour wins, given him a long ban and put an asterisk there to say “doper”, he’d have quietly faded away.
But now, because it’s Lance, because he’s a fighter, he’s back playing the game. He’s right, he knows he’s right. Now it’s just a matter of convincing others that he’s right.
It’s an entertaining little game anyway, I’m quite enjoying the ongoing soap opera.
crazy-legs wrote:The
Not at all. All this is because Lance wanted to keep competing. That’s the only reason he is doing all this now. He wants the Lance dope machine out there competing again.
Colin Peyresourde wrote:in
Perhaps you should try adding something a little more cerebral to the debate that challenges thinking instead of stating the butt obvious… WIth comments like this you do not exactly come across as the deepest or brightest spoke in the wheel.
[Btw crazy-legs was quite insightful and has worked it out – doesn’t mean he/she agrees with it any more than you or I but he/she has thought it through]
either give him his titles
either give him his titles back or strip every drug cheat of all of theirs.
I personally still think he is one of the best riders ever. Probably the most arrogant rider ever to grace the peloton and thus why he annoyed so many other riders and got his titles stripped.
millskid wrote:either give
But he cheated. So we will never really know and that is the point. He turned cycling into a nuclear arms race of doping (before that it was just guerrilla warfare – back street and uncoordinated). The biggest cheater gets the biggest punishment.
As mentioned above he does have the keys to his own redemption but actually he would rather just go on a PR fight rather than do the right thing. Lance Armstrong – sucky till the last. Would rather bully people than do something meaningful.
millskid wrote:either give
They do strip anyone of a title in any sport if found guilty of doping. Team sports is different but in athletics gold medals are removed – Ben Johnson the LA of athletics.
Best riders ever ? Not in the TDF where before the professional doping he was an also ran for GC with the occasional chance to win a stage.
Boy…
Another gutted
Boy… =))
Another gutted soul….worshipping athletic idols….so sad. So very sad… :))
Could we have a ban on the
Could we have a ban on the phrase “level playing field” please…?
When you compete in a sport you agree to play within the framework of the rules. You can do what you like within that framework, but if you are caught breaking the rules, you will be subject to the sanctions of the sport.
Lance Armstrong was not prosecuted because he was a bully or a nasty person. He was prosecuted because he broke the rules of the sport. I believe his punishment was exemplary because Travis Tygart and USADA did a good job and built a heavyweight case against him.
Many other offenders have escaped sanction or received lesser punishment because the authorities did not prosecute them with the same rigour (and of course everyone is aware of the suggestions that the UCI was negligent in its approach to doping or even conspired to help riders avoid prosecution). Suggesting that Armstrong should be “cut some slack” because other people have not been prosecuted effectively doesn’t make a lot of sense.
This matters because the same rules apply to everyone in the sport, from elite pros down to weekend warriors riding local fish & chippers. I don’t want to be competing in a sport where there is a tacit acceptance that drugs are just “part of the pro scene and everyone is doing it” because that attitude trickles down to non professional level. We’ll never win the war, but fighting a good battle and imposing sanctions against convicted dopers sends an important message to everyone in the sport.
One of the biggest problems with cycling is the fans. There’s still too much reverence for some of the “greats” who broke the rules (and were caught doing it). There’s no need for a witch hunt, but we could do with less idolising and more critical thinking about how these people behaved, the effect they had on the sport, and the legacy they have passed on. You don’t have to look too hard at recent doping offences to conclude that cycling still has a deep rooted problem.
kcr wrote:Could we have a ban
A very good post! I’ve found the phrase ‘level playing field’ intensely annoying for the last couple of years and this is just why. The level playing field is abiding to the rules and the spirit of the rules (if every rule isn’t 100% clear).
Lance knowingly broke these rules for years (amongst well documented other sins) and was happy to collect all the titles. But now he has the cheek to say “it’s not fair” when he is punished for his cheating (which he vehemently denied of course) . Well Lance, it was “not fair” when you cheated and lied for years so how about properly addressing that? Where is the repentance in that?
You didn’t get Dave Millar clamouring to get his World TT title back and have his ban reduced, despite (in contrast to LA) he admitted his crimes, took a long look at himself, took responsibility for his own actions, cleaned himself up and started working against the omerta by speaking out. This is what repentance looks like in my opinion (I know others have a different opinion of him).
Also, why does there “have to be a winner” for those years, as LA asserted in that recent BBC documentary? We seem to be getting on fine since they got rid of him as the winner. Finding the guy who finished 14th clean or whatever is a nonsense because the clean riders were not racing against other clean riders – any clean riders were just doing their jobs for their teams and not racing for the G.C. So, have no winner – fine by me. LA still just doesn’t seem to ‘get’ how serious what he did was.
Oh look Lance lying again, a
Oh look Lance lying again, a leopard NEVER changes his spots
http://www.aspendailynews.com/section/home/165537
I’ve just done a quick none
I’ve just done a quick none scientific survey of the forums comments: They”re all from blokes. As a non trained non practising psycholigist (can’t be bothered with spell check one of those Dr.s Which read your mind). You all have wet dreams fantasising you are HIM. Rather than your humdrum lives.