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“Disgraceful stupid little cupboards”: CyclingMikey left with “utter disgust” for UK trains’ dreaded upright bike storage; Tour de France Femmes gets underway; Remco’s victory tour (+ a golden S-Works Tarmac SL8) + more on the live blog

Happy Tour de France Femmes Monday… Dan Alexander is back in the hot seat as we kick off a new week on the live blog
  • by Dan Alexander
Mon, Aug 12, 2024 08:17
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  • The most expensive road bike wheels in the world — the most eye-wateringly expensive carbon upgrades you can make to your bike
  • Tour de France Femmes gets underway: Stage one sprint expected as peloton faces pan-flat Dutch stage in searing heat
  • Remco's victory tour (+ a golden S-Works Tarmac SL8)
  • The Tour de France Femmes' history + all the bikes that'll be ridden to stage victory this week
  • Team dsm–firmenich PostNL announce base salary for men and women will be equal from 2025
  • Will AI make the roads safer and more pleasant for cyclists?
  • Cofidis pro Rubén Fernández injured in collision with motorist who ran stop sign
  • Distracted, phone-using, uninsured driver jailed for six years after killing cyclist in hit-and-run collision
  • Charlotte Kool wins opening stage of Tour de France Femmes after Lorena Wiebes suffers mechanical
  • "Why do cyclists believe that they have a right to endanger pedestrians?": Council promises to install anti-bike barriers in foot tunnel, as locals and politicians claim "speeding" cyclists are "almost hitting" families and "abusing" pedestrians
  • "I wouldn't say an era has ended... across all the British sports, it's tougher to win gold medals now than it has ever been": British Cycling performance director assesses Olympic performance
  • Five cool bits of cycling tech coming soon from Garmin, Trek, Insta360, Coros and Life360
  • "Disgraceful stupid little cupboards": CyclingMikey left with "utter disgust" for UK trains' dreaded upright bike storage
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12 August 2024, 08:17

The most expensive road bike wheels in the world — the most eye-wateringly expensive carbon upgrades you can make to your bike

> The most expensive road bike wheels in the world — the most eye-wateringly expensive carbon upgrades you can make to your bike

12 August 2024, 08:17

Tour de France Femmes gets underway: Stage one sprint expected as peloton faces pan-flat Dutch stage in searing heat

Tour de France Femmes 2024 stage one (ASO)
Tour de France Femmes 2024 stage one (ASO) (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)
Tour de France Femmes 2024 stage one (ASO)
Tour de France Femmes 2024 stage one (ASO) (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)

Bridges and tunnels account for most of the roughly 200m of climbing the Tour de France Femmes peloton will cover today, the 123km stage from Rotterdam to The Hague almost certainly going to be one for the sprinters, Lorena Wiebes, Charlotte Kool, Elisa Balsamo and perhaps even (although she would have loved it to be a bit more punchy) home favourite Marianne Vos eyeing up the opening yellow jersey.

It’s going to be similar roasting conditions to those being ‘enjoyed’ in the south of England today, water and sun cream the order of the day. Oh, and yes, that fourth-category climb is a tunnel that’ll take the riders below sea level before giving them a nice relaxed gradient to ‘ascend’ out of and decide the first polka dot jersey wearer. 

12 August 2024, 08:17

Remco's victory tour (+ a golden S-Works Tarmac SL8)

Meanwhile, in Belgium, Spesh wasted no time getting that Tarmac SL8 fit for a double Olympic champ… 

Remco Evenepoel gold S-Works (Strava)
Remco Evenepoel gold S-Works (Strava) (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)
Remco Evenepoel gold S-Works (Strava)
Remco Evenepoel gold S-Works (Strava) (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)

[📷: Remco Evenepoel/Strava]

Evenepoel’s victory tour saw him appear (and ride, of course) his own sportive and then rock up at his former club Anderlecht’s match against OH Leuven to take the acclaim of the fans. Cycling’s on a different level over there… something tells us Tom Pidcock won’t be rocking up at Elland Road, but we’d love to be pleasantly surprised and proved wrong…

12 August 2024, 08:17

The Tour de France Femmes' history + all the bikes that'll be ridden to stage victory this week

Some further reading…

A brief history of the women's Tour de France
A brief history of the women's Tour de France (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)
A brief history of the women's Tour de France
A brief history of the women's Tour de France (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)

> The Tour de France Femmes’ Long and Winding Road: A brief history of the women’s Tour de France

2024 Tour de France Femmes avec Zwift
2024 Tour de France Femmes avec Zwift (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)
2024 Tour de France Femmes avec Zwift
2024 Tour de France Femmes avec Zwift (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)

> The bikes of the Tour de France Femmes 2024 — a complete guide to what the top women’s pro cycling teams are riding this year

12 August 2024, 08:17

Team dsm–firmenich PostNL announce base salary for men and women will be equal from 2025

Team DSM-Firmenich PostNL 2024 (DSM/Eltoromediadotcom)
Eltoromediadotcom) (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)
Team DSM-Firmenich PostNL 2024 (DSM/Eltoromediadotcom)
Eltoromediadotcom) (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)

[📷: Eltoromediadotcom]

Team dsm-firmenich PostNL has announced all base salaries for riders male and female will be the same from the start of next season.

“Steps to bridge the payment gap like this are crucial to further develop and professionalise the sport alongside its commercial growth, to give female athletes access to the same resources as their male counterparts and enable them to make a genuine and comfortable living from doing what they love the most,” the team said.

12 August 2024, 08:17

Will AI make the roads safer and more pleasant for cyclists?

Cyclist waiting to cross junction, Birmingham (credit: Better Streets for Birmingham)
Cyclist waiting to cross junction, Birmingham (credit: Better Streets for Birmingham) (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)
Cyclist waiting to cross junction, Birmingham (credit: Better Streets for Birmingham)
Cyclist waiting to cross junction, Birmingham (credit: Better Streets for Birmingham) (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)

Glasgow City Council and VivaCity (the “transport technology scaleup transforming cities into smarter and more efficient places to live and work”) got in touch to tell us about how new AI-powered sensor technology is being commissioned at two key intersections in the Scottish city, to “improve cycle and vehicle detection, enabling traffic signals to respond more effectively”.

One example given was that the tech could “anonymously count the number of pedestrians waiting to cross, providing larger groups with greater priority”.

“Buses are detected on the approaches to the crossing enabling Glasgow City Council to balance bus and pedestrian movements at the crossing using the VivaCity sensor capability to assess different classes, directions and volumes of road users, and feed that data into the traffic signal controller,” the press release continued.

“Besides collecting multimodal data to feed the traffic signals and therefore optimise the crossing, the sensors also gather accurate, detailed and anonymous data on other travel modes. This data is also being used to provide a clearer understanding of how these junctions are used to ensure that the new junction layouts meet the needs of all road users. This is completed while also providing real-time data for signal control.”

Not too much specific info on cycling there but a glimpse at the sort of things AI could be used for on the roads and at junctions. Thoughts?

12 August 2024, 08:17

Cofidis pro Rubén Fernández injured in collision with motorist who ran stop sign

Cofidis pro Rubén Fernández injured in collision with motorist who ran stop sign (Twitter/X)
X) (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)
Cofidis pro Rubén Fernández injured in collision with motorist who ran stop sign (Twitter/X)
X) (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)

Cofidis pro Rubén Fernández has shared pictures of cuts and brusing to his face after being hit by a motorist who ran a stop sign. The Spanish rider was training, the driver’s failure to stop at the sign “leaving me unable to react”.

“Fortunately, after undergoing all the medical tests, I can say that there are no serious injuries to regret, and this time it was just a scare,” he added.

12 August 2024, 08:17

Distracted, phone-using, uninsured driver jailed for six years after killing cyclist in hit-and-run collision

Distracted driver jailed for six years for killing cyclist in hit-and-run crash on A286, Birdham (Sussex Police)
Distracted driver jailed for six years for killing cyclist in hit-and-run crash on A286, Birdham (Sussex Police) (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)
Distracted driver jailed for six years for killing cyclist in hit-and-run crash on A286, Birdham (Sussex Police)
Distracted driver jailed for six years for killing cyclist in hit-and-run crash on A286, Birdham (Sussex Police) (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)

> Distracted, phone-using, uninsured driver jailed for six years after killing cyclist in hit-and-run collision

12 August 2024, 08:17

Charlotte Kool wins opening stage of Tour de France Femmes after Lorena Wiebes suffers mechanical

Dutch delight to kick off the Tour de France. Since the race returned in 2022 they’ve won more than half the stages and Lotte Kopecky remains the only rider not from the Netherlands to have worn yellow. This will be Charlotte Kool’s first trip to the podium however, the 25-year-old winning the stage and taking yellow as a result, compatriot and favourite Lorena Wiebes left to rue a dropped chain at the worst possible moment just as the sprint was hotting up.

Finnish national champion Anniina Ahtosalo took a career-best second place and will swap her nation’s jersey for white tomorrow. It wasn’t all positive however, a farcical situation occurring out the back of the peloton as the stage unfolded…

Four of the seven riders on the Uzbekistan-based Tashkent City team failed to finish having been dropped on day one. You’ve got to feel for the young, inexperienced riders clearly not yet at the level but who have been chucked in at the biggest race of the year because their team got an invite based off earning points at smaller, less competitive races in their region to get an automatic invitation, only to now realise that more than half the team can’t survive a 123km flat stage.

One team who didn’t get an invite was Lifeplus-Wahoo, the British squad last week revealing it was not continuing beyond 2024, their lack of place at the Tour de France Femmes not helping the troubled finances. All a bit of a mess…

12 August 2024, 08:17

"Why do cyclists believe that they have a right to endanger pedestrians?": Council promises to install anti-bike barriers in foot tunnel, as locals and politicians claim "speeding" cyclists are "almost hitting" families and "abusing" pedestrians

Greenwich Foot Tunnel (licensed CC BY-ND 2.0 on Flickr by Jamie Moore).jpg
Greenwich Foot Tunnel (licensed CC BY-ND 2.0 on Flickr by Jamie Moore) (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)
Greenwich Foot Tunnel (licensed CC BY-ND 2.0 on Flickr by Jamie Moore).jpg
Greenwich Foot Tunnel (licensed CC BY-ND 2.0 on Flickr by Jamie Moore) (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)

> “Why do cyclists believe that they have a right to endanger pedestrians?”: Council promises to install anti-bike barriers in foot tunnel, as locals and politicians claim “speeding” cyclists are “almost hitting” families and “abusing” pedestrians

12 August 2024, 08:17

"I wouldn't say an era has ended... across all the British sports, it's tougher to win gold medals now than it has ever been": British Cycling performance director assesses Olympic performance

Jack Carlin and Harrie Lavreysen, sprint, 2024 Paris Olympics (Alex Whitehead/SWpix.com)
SWpix (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)
Jack Carlin and Harrie Lavreysen, sprint, 2024 Paris Olympics (Alex Whitehead/SWpix.com)
SWpix (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)

British Cycling ended up with the lowest number of track cycling gold medals since Athens two decades ago, finishing fifth in the velodrome medals table. Having said that the 11 total medals was more than any other nation and had Katie Archibald not suffered the misfortune of breaking her leg, ripping ligaments, and dislocating her ankle after tripping over a garden step back in June things could (and most probably would) have looked better.

Plus, with one silver turned to gold GB would have actually ended top of the track cycling medal table, so maybe not all quite so doom and gloom than the fifth in the table and least golds in 20 years line suggested.

“I wouldn’t say an era has ended, because it could easily have been quite different,” performance director Stephen Park commented on the Paris performance to PA. “If you look across all the British sports, it’s tougher to win gold medals now than it has ever been. The difference between first and fourth is smaller than it’s ever been.

“We’ll go back and analyse what we’ve done, we’ll rebuild as we go to LA. I think our performance is one we can be as proud – if not prouder – of than anything we’ve done before.”

What did you make of GB’s performance on the track this Games? 

12 August 2024, 08:17

Five cool bits of cycling tech coming soon from Garmin, Trek, Insta360, Coros and Life360

FiveCoolThings-2024-08-12
FiveCoolThings-2024-08-12 (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)
FiveCoolThings-2024-08-12
FiveCoolThings-2024-08-12 (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)

> Five cool bits of cycling tech coming soon from Garmin, Trek, Insta360, Coros and Life360

12 August 2024, 08:17

"Disgraceful stupid little cupboards": CyclingMikey left with "utter disgust" for UK trains' dreaded upright bike storage

Ah, yes, a return to the road.cc live blog for the infamous bike storage cupboards…

CyclingMikey's "utter disgust" at train storage (CyclingMikey/Twitter)
Twitter) (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)
CyclingMikey's "utter disgust" at train storage (CyclingMikey/Twitter)
Twitter) (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)

[CyclingMikey/Twitter]

They’ll be familiar to any of you who’ve tried to take your bike on anything longer than a local UK train journey, the saga beginning way before you step foot on a station platform as you’ll need to book one of the inevitably very few spaces available. Then, on the day, locate your cupboard and begin the ‘fun’ game of hoisting your bike into the necessary upright position. Feeling relatively strong and travelling with a fairly light road bike with narrow tyres and bars? Fine, you might just escape this experience relatively hate-free. If not, then I wish you good luck.

Any of wider bars, wider tyres, bags, or just a heavier bike can turn this into a physical and mentally-testing exertion that’ll leave you feeling like you really should have got an Olympic medal for your efforts. Road safety campaigner and camera cyclist CyclingMikey found out the hard way, telling his followers online that he’d “like to express my utter disgust that some designer/planner thought that this was in any way acceptable bicycle storage”, going on to call them “disgraceful stupid little cupboards”.

> “If you want to get more people out of cars, you need to offer more”: Rail company slammed for banning bikes on trains at peak times, as cyclists brand policy “a step backwards”

One follower commented: “Utterly mad. I’m just back from a few weeks cycling in France and although their rail comes in for much criticism every TER carriage has ample bike parking, and space enough for touring bikes and adapted cycles.”

GWR bike storage (picture courtesy Sam Jones, Cycling UK)
GWR bike storage (picture courtesy Sam Jones, Cycling UK) (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)
GWR bike storage (picture courtesy Sam Jones, Cycling UK)
GWR bike storage (picture courtesy Sam Jones, Cycling UK) (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)

Paul Tutton added: “It’s almost like they designed them to put people off bringing bikes on trains whilst meeting their mandatory obligations to the absolute minimum.”

The whole rubbish bike storage on trains thing has been going on for a while, Cycling UK in 2019 speaking out about the “awful” cycle storage on GWR’s high-speed trains.

> Trying to take a very expensive bike on a GWR train is hard work

Last year we spoke to rail engineer Gareth Dennis on the road.cc Podcast, an episode which turned into him telling us why taking your bike on the train is such a faff…

“Vertical storage should be outright banned,” he argued unequivocally. “For the middle-aged men in Lycra with their very expensive road bikes – which is basically all vertical storage is designed for – the vertical storage wrecks their bike.

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gwr main (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)
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gwr main (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)

“For everyone else, and we shouldn’t be designing for that narrow case anyway, how does it work for most people who can’t lift their bikes up? What about people who rely on their bikes as a mobility aid? What about less confident cyclists who want a bigger, sturdier bike? What about people with non-standard cycles, trikes, those with attachment to wheelchairs, longer bikes, tandems?

“How are any of those people able to use vertical storage? They can’t. It’s excluding people from using the railway. They are being denied the freedom of movement by the structure of our railways and, ultimately, the Secretary of State for Transport.”

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Dan Alexander
Dan is the road.cc news editor and joined in 2020 having previously written about nearly every other sport under the sun for the Express, and the weird and wonderful world of non-league football for The Non-League Paper. Dan has been at road.cc for four years and mainly writes news and tech articles as well as the occasional feature. He has hopefully kept you entertained on the live blog too. Never fast enough to take things on the bike too seriously, when he’s not working you’ll find him exploring the south of England by two wheels at a leisurely weekend pace, or enjoying his favourite Scottish roads when visiting family. Sometimes he’ll even load up the bags and ride up the whole way, he’s a bit strange like that.  

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  1. Boopop
    August 12, 2024 at 8:42 am
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    It’s almost as if having a

    It’s almost as if having a profit motive for one thing (selling rail tickets) and no profit motive but a loose regulation for something else (bike spaces) is a bad idea.

    Either add a profit motive for bike spaces or remove the profit motive entirely, I know which I prefer but either would solve the issue…you know, once these trains get replaced in a decade or two ?

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    • Dnnnnnn
      August 12, 2024 at 9:24 am
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      You’re right that it’s all

      You’re right that it’s all about incentives and directions. The government wanted as many seats crammed in as possible, hence these dreadful cupboards. Whether it was deliberate or just negligent, I don’t know but I’m surprised it hasn’t been challenged under the Equalities Act.

      Worse, even weaker (or no) direction can lead to still-poorer outcomes: ‘open access’ operator, Lumo, realised they weren’t required to make any provisions for bikes, so we now have trains from London to Edinburgh where no bikes are accepted.

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  2. eburtthebike
    August 12, 2024 at 8:54 am
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    “It’s almost like they

    “It’s almost like they designed them to put people off bringing bikes on trains……”

    That’s because they did.

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    • mdavidford
      August 12, 2024 at 9:18 am
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      Nah – that wasn’t designed –

      Nah – that wasn’t designed – it was someone’s fever dream.

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    • wtjs
      August 12, 2024 at 9:19 am
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      If I could, I’d have given

      If I could, I’d have given that multiple ‘likes’. All the more reason to yet again sing the praises of Merseyrail from Chester to Southport. Absolutely excellent, and saves the death-cycling through Liverpool for little more than you’d have to pay to just get across the Mersey.

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    • ubercurmudgeon
      August 12, 2024 at 10:31 am
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      Judged purely in terms of a

      Judged purely in terms of a design meeting its goal, someone at Hitachi should win an award for this masterpiece of maliciously complying with a statutory requirement. As a human being, for their contribution to making the world worse for other human beings, they should be ostracized.

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      • Secret_squirrel
        August 12, 2024 at 10:32 am
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        Cobblers. Hitachi don’t

        Cobblers. Hitachi don’t specify the interior of their trains. The customer does.  In the case of the UK it’s the DfT. 
         

        Train OpCo’s don’t get a choice, except between available/planned rolling stock. 

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  3. muhasib
    August 12, 2024 at 9:57 am
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    Also, who’s going to be happy
    Also, who’s going to be happy if they’ve booked a seat next to that person standing in the doorway in the background!

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  4. hawkinspeter
    August 12, 2024 at 10:05 am
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    I hate those train cupboards

    I hate those train cupboards with a vengeance. Wide rim wheels just don’t fit onto the hooks, so I have to put my bike half in and half out of the cupboard and stand next to it. Usually the train personnel come along at some point and complain about bikes blocking the doorway/aisle which is a problem that they’ve created for themselves.

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  5. PenLaw
    August 12, 2024 at 10:49 am
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    Far more crazy is the fact

    Far more crazy is the fact that Lumo are allowed to refuse bikes.

    Cherry picking type trains are also anti consumer.

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  6. brooksby
    August 12, 2024 at 11:35 am
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    Nothing at all to be with

    Nothing at all to be with cycling, but an interesting argument:

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/aug/12/pro-foxhunting-group-says-uk-hunters-protected-ethnic-minority

    A pro-foxhunting group says it has prepared a legal case to try to prove that hunters are an ethnic minority whose hunts should be protected under equality laws.

    Ed Swales, the chair of Hunting Kind, claims he has been advised by a leading human rights lawyer that hunters unequivocally qualify for legal protection under the UK Equality Act 2010.

    Speaking to the FieldsportsChannel podcast, Swales said: “The qualifications of an ethnic group, there are five of them, and we hit everyone straight in the bullseye.”

    Annoyingly, the article doesn’t say what those ethnic criteria are, that a hobbyist group like fox hunters can claim them.

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    • Tom_77
      August 12, 2024 at 12:05 pm
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      brooksby wrote:

      Annoyingly, the article doesn’t say what those ethnic criteria are, that a hobbyist group like fox hunters can claim them.

      — brooksby

      Law Society website:

      Ethnicity is broader than race and has usually been used to refer to long shared cultural experiences, religious practices, traditions, ancestry, language, dialect or national origins (for example, African-Caribbean, Indian, Irish).

      So this would appear to be a claim about traditions and shared cultural experiences. Seems like a bit of a stretch, although I’m not a lawyer (lefty or otherwise).

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    • john_smith
      August 12, 2024 at 1:02 pm
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      Interesting indeed.

      Interesting indeed.

      Chambers says “ethnic” can mean “relating to or having a common race or cultural tradition”, and Webster says “of or relating to large groups of people classed according to common racial, national, tribal, religious, linguistic, or cultural origin or background”. So if you can argue that you share a common cultural tradition, origin or background with some other person, you can arguably claim the two of you constitute or belong to an ethnic minority.

      Agree it’s a pity the article doesn’t say what the criteria in question were though.

       

       

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    • ROOTminus1
      August 12, 2024 at 1:08 pm
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      Generations of inbreeding
      Generations of inbreeding amongst the gentry and aristocracy have left the toffs genetically different to qualify themselves as a distinct ethnic group

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      • Stephankernow
        August 12, 2024 at 1:27 pm
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        ROOTminus1 wrote:

        Generations of inbreeding amongst the gentry and aristocracy have left the toffs genetically different to qualify themselves as a distinct ethnic group

        — ROOTminus1

        Quite like middle-class metropolitans who live in say some London boroughs?

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        • chrisonabike
          August 12, 2024 at 1:37 pm
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          Stephankernow wrote:

          Generations of inbreeding amongst the gentry and aristocracy have left the toffs genetically different to qualify themselves as a distinct ethnic group

          — Stephankernow

          Quite like middle-class metropolitans who live in say some London boroughs?

          — ROOTminus1

          Do the “chattering classes” make a point of it though?  Is Facebook the new Debretts?

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    • Tom_77
      August 12, 2024 at 1:50 pm
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      This is the podcast mentioned

      This is the podcast mentioned. I’ve read the (auto-generated) transcript, I’m still not entirely clear. It talks about hunting being a protected belief (which would seem to have very little to do with ethnicity), and as it happens there are 5 tests for that (Grainger Criteria):

      • The belief must be genuinely held
      • The belief must not simply be an opinion or viewpoint based on the present state of information available
      • The belief must concern a weighty and substantial aspect of human life and behaviour
      • The belief must attain a certain level of cogency, seriousness, cohesion and importance
      • The belief must be worthy of respect in a democratic society, not be incompatible with human dignity and not be in conflict with the fundamental rights of others.

      I doubt being pro-hunting satisfies all those criteria, although there is a court ruling that being anti-hunting can be a protected belief, in that case “The claimant here went to some lengths to attempt to live by his belief in the sanctity of all life”.

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    • ktache
      August 12, 2024 at 6:26 pm
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      Of course they’ve not done

      Of course they’ve not done any pest control (very inefficiently) for a couple of decades as it’s been illegal…

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  7. mitsky
    August 12, 2024 at 1:15 pm
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    “Cofidis pro Rubén Fernández

    “Cofidis pro Rubén Fernández injured in collision with motorist who ran stop sign”

    then

    “Will AI make the roads safer and more pleasant for cyclists?”

    Answer: “Not when we still have idiots behind the wheel.”

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    • ROOTminus1
      August 12, 2024 at 1:05 pm
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      I don’t have any confidence
      I don’t have any confidence in machine vision traffic control. As you illustrate, some drivers already don’t pay attention, and on the other hand, if the ability for computers to accurately classify cyclists as such was good enough, autonomous vehicles wouldn’t be as awful as they currently are

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  8. Stephankernow
    August 12, 2024 at 1:25 pm
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    Try putting a Pashley type
    Try putting a Pashley type bike in one it’s mission impossible.
    These racks are a disgrace, Tbey don’t want bikes on trains

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    • brooksby
      August 12, 2024 at 2:53 pm
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      Stephankernow wrote:

      Try putting a Pashley type bike in one it’s mission impossible. These racks are a disgrace, Tbey don’t want bikes on trains

      — Stephankernow

      Presumably any bike with full mudguards wouldn’t fit either, unless you wanted to crush the mudguards?

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  9. HarrogateSpa
    August 12, 2024 at 1:32 pm
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    I often see a bike and gold

    I often see a bike and gold helmet locked up together in the town centre and think ‘ah, Greg van Avermaet’.

    From now on I’ll look out for Remco’s gaudy gold steed.

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  10. mitsky
    August 12, 2024 at 3:26 pm
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    As I said last Friday

    As I said last Friday

    –
    “Driver jailed for death of Ecuador politician’s daughter”
    I wonder if the sentence would have been less if the victim was a cyclist or not related to a politician.
    –

    Victim pedestrian:
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cgl2klz0gw9o
    “A speeding Mercedes driver has been jailed for 10 years”

    Victim cyclist:
    “…jailed for six years…”
    “…jailed for three years and nine months…”

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    • Mr Anderson
      August 12, 2024 at 6:14 pm
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      Over many years of reading

      Over many years of reading these reports, the impression I now have is that: Generally, a significant proportion of society regards road cycling as a risky activity, therefore, we have to share some culpability for what happens for choosing to undertake this activity.  I have read reports in the past, where the driver’s culpability has been reduced, because the cyclist wasn’t wearing a helmet, or wearing hiviz, and therefore, shared responsibility for their death.

      A few decades ago, I read a report of a court (coroner?) case, where the cyclist was killed in a “dooring” collision.  The cyclist was a well known club cyclist in SE London.  Either the Judge (or coroner) concluded that the cyclist was riding a “racing cycle”, therefore, he must have been riding too fast, so the driver was exonerated.

      Over the thirty or so years sice reading this, I still keep on reading this SH*T, the latest being the fatal collision in Hampshire recently.

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  11. mdavidford
    August 12, 2024 at 9:18 pm
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    road.cc wrote:

    British Cycling [finished] fifth in the velodrome medals table. Having said that the 11 total medals was more than any other nation

    […]

    Plus, with one silver turned to gold GB would have actually ended top of the track cycling medal table,

    — road.cc

    Which just goes to show how silly a way of ranking things this is in the first place.

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  12. mitsky
    August 13, 2024 at 7:57 am
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    Will we ever get a question

    Will we ever get a question (from a non-cyclist) such as:

    “Why do drivers believe that they have a right to endanger people and waste millions in taxes due to NHS, disruption/economic and police investigation costs?”

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    • john_smith
      August 13, 2024 at 12:22 pm
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      Lots of people do things that

      Lots of people do things that endanger people every day. If they didn’t, life would be rather difficult, and the benefits are therefore generally considered to outweigh the risks. Likewise, the benefits are generally considered to outweigh the costs.

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      • chrisonabike
        August 13, 2024 at 1:30 pm
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        What if the benefits are

        What if the benefits are mostly felt by one group of people and the costs mostly by another set though?

        Or if we all pay (“road tax”, pollution, noise pollution, crashes into people and buildings, vast areas of public space covered in tarmac and given over to a particular activity, effects of government sucking to dodgy regimes to keep the resources coming…) … but some benefit much more than others (those in the road and motor industries, politicians kept sweet by same …)?

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        • john_smith
          August 13, 2024 at 2:35 pm
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          There will always be winners

          There will always be winners and losers, but I suppose you might hope that in a functioning democracy people with a functioning rule of law people will be treated more or less fairly and that no one will be expected to bear an unacceptable burden.

          If you spend too much time worrying that someone else might be getting too big a share of some cake or other I don’t think you’re going to have a very happy life.

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          • chrisonabike
            August 13, 2024 at 4:03 pm
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            john_smith wrote:

            There will always be winners and losers, but I suppose you might hope that in a functioning democracy people with a functioning rule of law people will be treated more or less fairly and that no one will be expected to bear an unacceptable burden.

            — john_smith

            But it’s who are the winners and losers – that’s rather important, no?  And does the system work by creating a larger proportion of losers, and how bad is it for them?

            Our current system may not be very good at dealing with our longer-term “problems of success”.  In effect – to avoid those in power losing it, are we all being encouraged to warm ourselves by burning our boats?

            As for “fair” – that would be a maximal hope!

            If you spend too much time worrying that someone else might be getting too big a share of some cake or other I don’t think you’re going to have a very happy life.

            — john_smith

            I completely agree.  That is my philosophy – but we are humans in a world full of humans, not buddhas.  Preaching self-restraint while a few are running off with all the cake may be … tricky.  To leave the metaphor – depends how much you want to pay in tax, reduction in health etc. all to be excluded from the roads by others.

        • mdavidford
          August 13, 2024 at 9:45 pm
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          Or, tragedy of the commons –

          Or, tragedy of the commons – the benefits outweigh the costs at any point for any individual, but when everybody does it, most of you end up worse off than if no-one had.

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Beryl 4 minutes ago

If the man can't turn his head to check his blind spot he shouldn't be on the road

in: Cycle path “creating a constant stream of arguments between drivers and cyclists” should be altered “so cyclists give way to vehicles”, demands councillor expelled from Reform UK
GravelIsNothingNew 49 minutes ago

Follow the road rules. Why is this even a discussion? Because the road rules are not adequately policed. …Solution: how about £100 fines for everyone flouting the road rules / risking cyclists lives on social media and in council chambers, as well as on the roads? That should stop this ongoing waste of time.

in: Cycle path “creating a constant stream of arguments between drivers and cyclists” should be altered “so cyclists give way to vehicles”, demands councillor expelled from Reform UK
jackcycles 8 hours ago

@Rendel Harris you've painted a rather alluring picture of social harmony there, but unfortunately you've got my name wrong. I'm Jack, not Nigel. However, to return the compliment, I must think of a story for you. I imagine you sat outside a pub, real ale and pipe propped on the adjacent table, in a similar fashion to Nigel Farage at his populist best. You turn to your wife. "You know what dear? I think I've been a bit harsh in my time. I've shunned the politeness and wisdom of others for too long and want to change my ways.* "There there Rendel", says Mrs Harris. "You're not a bad old stick, it's just living in London that's emptied your soul of kindness and compassion. I've found a lovely new place where we can settle down in our later years. It's on a leafy cul de sac, surrounded by friendly neighbours and smiling faces. There's a guy a couple of doors down, a remarkable man. As well as his towering intellect and rapier wit, he's also a keen cyclist, holding severa local KOMs. Don't be perturbed dear - he'll ride with anyone provided they show other road users the kindness and courtesy they deserve." Rendel turned emotionally, voice shaking. "Oh my dear, thank you for this second chance", and with that the rest of the pub goers turned and applauded the couple, throwing garlands of petals in their wake. The end.

in: Cycle path “creating a constant stream of arguments between drivers and cyclists” should be altered “so cyclists give way to vehicles”, demands councillor expelled from Reform UK
mattw 8 hours ago

As a Councillor, Edward needs to be paying some attention to all that parking obstructing visibility and manoeuvres at the junction, and sorting out those radii.

in: Cycle path “creating a constant stream of arguments between drivers and cyclists” should be altered “so cyclists give way to vehicles”, demands councillor expelled from Reform UK
mattw 9 hours ago

Ed Hill was chucked out by Reform in 2025, though TBF to him it was about how to run it rather than ideology I think. He is now reportedly closer to Advance UK, which is distinctly more extreme than Reform. I'd call this Alan Amos style attention seeking.

in: Cycle path “creating a constant stream of arguments between drivers and cyclists” should be altered “so cyclists give way to vehicles”, demands councillor expelled from Reform UK
Simon14 9 hours ago

Emily, thank you for such an insightful piece. I’m a man, but I enjoy watching the women’s races, possibly more than the men’s. The racing is so much closer, we rarely know who’s going to win. You painted a wonderful picture of how a true champion is able to ‘rise above’ setbacks and distractions, and focus their energy on the task in hand. ‘All’s fair in live and war -and sport, but always good to hear riders expressing their admiration for their competitors

in: Mentally and physically, Demi Vollering has shown why she is arguably the most complete rider we’ve ever seen at the Tour de France Femmes
Rendel Harris 10 hours ago

@Nigel Garage ...and then everyone applauded my courtesy and I waved courteously to all the people who were courteously throwing flowers and cheering and courteously waving flags that said "Nigel is the best!"

in: Cycle path “creating a constant stream of arguments between drivers and cyclists” should be altered “so cyclists give way to vehicles”, demands councillor expelled from Reform UK
ktache 11 hours ago

The picture from street view clearly shows give way lines from the roads to the green painted cycle/pedestrian lane. The road user should give way (or must...) to the user of the green lane. This would of course apply to any cyclist on the roadway.

in: Cycle path “creating a constant stream of arguments between drivers and cyclists” should be altered “so cyclists give way to vehicles”, demands councillor expelled from Reform UK
chrisonabike 11 hours ago

If I recall there is a cave or two along the route - perhaps they were sheltering from the heat in one of those having taken it for a Golf bunker?

in: “Why don’t you apologise? Don’t be so selfish”: CyclingMikey’s latest argument with pedestrian on shared use path sparks discussion; Local angry with cyclist “holding up the road” despite not being in lane; TdF Femmes debrief + more on the live blog
belugabob 12 hours ago

“So if there’s a cyclist travelling down the cycle path at the moment, from this position I can’t see them because my blind spots are too big on the left hand side of the vehicle”, claims Hill. Well, there's your problem, right there...🙄

in: Cycle path “creating a constant stream of arguments between drivers and cyclists” should be altered “so cyclists give way to vehicles”, demands councillor expelled from Reform UK

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