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Jeremy Vine’s cycle lane near miss as empty bin chucked across London bike lane; Tributes to Davide Rebellin; Tour de France ditches Paris final stage, Nice finale rumoured; Remco signs up for the Giro; Cycling advent calendars + more on the live blog

Happy Wednesday! Come join us on our latest live blog, with Dan Alexander behind the keyboard for this one…
  • by Dan Alexander
Wed, Nov 30, 2022 09:12
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  • Could be worse, Jeremy...
  • The wait for comments begins...
  • Tour de France ditches Paris final stage, 2024 edition will finish in Nice
  • "It will be a special edition": Remco Evenepoel announces Giro d'Italia bid
  • Aero road bike helmets: 6 of the BEST in 2022
  • British Cycling's advent calendar announcement doesn't go to plan...
  • 🚨Piers Corbyn doing Piers Corbyn things🚨
  • If the World Cup was pro cycling: Denmark vs Australia
  • A reader email on Dutch common sense
  • Tour of Britain boosts Nottinghamshire's economy by £4 million
  • Tributes to Davide Rebellin
  • "A few days ago we were doing our last pro race in Monaco and today you left to join the stars"
  • Your thoughts on the Vine video...
  • Jeremy Vine's cycle lane near miss as empty bin chucked across London bike lane
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30 November 2022, 09:12

Could be worse, Jeremy...

Cycle lane portaloo (Al Ó Baoighill Facebook)
Cycle lane portaloo (Al Ó Baoighill Facebook) (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)
Cycle lane portaloo (Al Ó Baoighill Facebook)
Cycle lane portaloo (Al Ó Baoighill Facebook) (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)

Who remembers this classic of the ‘why cyclists don’t use cycle lanes’ genre?

30 November 2022, 09:12

The wait for comments begins...

Wishing you a Merry Bikemas! 🎅

To celebrate the holiday season, we’re spreading the joy of cycling with our first ever advent calendar, full of festive fun & prizes 🎄 🎁

Follow us on Instagram to discover which cycling swag is up for grabs every day: https://t.co/8yv2bZCvO3 pic.twitter.com/bvYNDVDcON

— British Cycling (@BritishCycling) November 30, 2022

5p off per litre at all Shell petrol stations? Sorry, couldn’t resist…

30 November 2022, 09:12

Tour de France ditches Paris final stage, 2024 edition will finish in Nice

Tour de france cyclists stage 21 2015 - A.S.O._Aurelien_Vialatte
Tour de france cyclists stage 21 2015 - A.S.O (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)
Tour de france cyclists stage 21 2015 - A.S.O._Aurelien_Vialatte
Tour de france cyclists stage 21 2015 – A.S.O (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)

[📷: ASO/Aurelien Vialatte]

BIG news from Italy this morning as La Gazzetta dello Sport’s famous pink pages include a story suggesting it is confirmed — the Tour de France is moving away from its traditional Paris procession.

The Tour de France has never finished anywhere other than the French capital, but will end in Nice for the first time in 2024. The decision is due to the Olympic Games, which will be held in Paris from July 26 to August 11, just five days after the 21st stage, meaning with logistical demands stretched Le Tour will visit the Med instead.

Champs Elysees (CC licensed by Andrew Sides via Flickr)
Champs Elysees (CC licensed by Andrew Sides via Flickr) (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)
Champs Elysees (CC licensed by Andrew Sides via Flickr)
Champs Elysees (CC licensed by Andrew Sides via Flickr) (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)

[📷: Andrew Sides]

Next year’s edition will begin in the Basque Country, with 2024 starting in Florence, and the historic Piazzale Michelangelo more specifically. Stage one of 2024’s race will end in Rimini, the city where Marco Pantani tragically died in 2004 before stage two starts in his birthplace — Cesenatico.

For all the info on next year’s race check out Ryan’s in-depth preview…

30 November 2022, 09:12

"It will be a special edition": Remco Evenepoel announces Giro d'Italia bid

It’s official 🤩 I’m riding the 2023 @giroditalia and I can’t be more excited for it. Andiamo!! 🇮🇹💕🐺 #Giro #TheWolfpack pic.twitter.com/ftmL3Ohn0z

— Remco Evenepoel (@EvenepoelRemco) November 30, 2022

30 November 2022, 09:12

Aero road bike helmets: 6 of the BEST in 2022

And some more options…

> Best aero helmets 2022 — low drag road cycling lids to cut drag without sacrificing comfort

30 November 2022, 09:12

British Cycling's advent calendar announcement doesn't go to plan...

Go back to the earlier post to see the joke I’m very smug about. I should probably grow up and act my age, but hey, sometimes it’s fun being a wilful idiot…

Anyway, I wasn’t the only whose first instinct was to have a laugh at British Cycling’s expense…

Chocolate seashells are great for an advent calendar.

Oil seashells are not so good.

— Harry Horsfall (@Gatsworth) November 30, 2022

30 November 2022, 09:12

🚨Piers Corbyn doing Piers Corbyn things🚨

Piers Corbyn drives home from Oxford council meeting (credit - Simon MacMichael)
Piers Corbyn drives home from Oxford council meeting (credit - Simon MacMichael) (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)
Piers Corbyn drives home from Oxford council meeting (credit - Simon MacMichael)
Piers Corbyn drives home from Oxford council meeting (credit – Simon MacMichael) (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)

Look who road.cc Simon spotted out on his travels last night… coming home from important political business no doubt…

> Piers Corbyn tells councillors “man-made climate change does not exist”… then drives home in beat-up ’90s Vauxhall Cavalier

Ah right, never mind…

30 November 2022, 09:12

If the World Cup was pro cycling: Denmark vs Australia

There’s a huge Group D clash coming soon at the World Cup, with plenty of cycling crossover to pick from on Procyclingstats.

We’re throwing it back to stage 10 of the Tour de France for this one…

World Cup pro cycling (procyclingstats)
World Cup pro cycling (procyclingstats) (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)
World Cup pro cycling (procyclingstats)
World Cup pro cycling (procyclingstats) (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)

Dennis, Porte, Matthews, Durbridge, Plapp vs Pedersen, Asgreen, Cort, Vingegaard, Kragh Andersen. It’s a five-up TTT for a place in the last 16… 

30 November 2022, 09:12

A reader email on Dutch common sense

Better facilities, like these in the Netherlands, would encourage people to cycle more
Better facilities, like these in the Netherlands, would encourage people to cycle more (Image Credit: CC BY-NC-SA 2.0 licenced by MarkA:Flickr)
Better facilities, like these in the Netherlands, would encourage people to cycle more
Better facilities, like these in the Netherlands, would encourage people to cycle more (Image Credit: CC BY-NC-SA 2.0 licenced by MarkA:Flickr)

[📷: CC BY-NC-SA 2.0 licenced by MarkA]

Having read our story about the ‘mini-Holland’ scheme touted for a Nottinghamshire town, one road.cc reader got in touch…

I was born and raised in Holland. Road division is as follows: main carriageway, grass verge, cycle path and then footpath. I have cycled to school, gone shopping all on my bike.
Not once was I involved in an accident or disagreement with a car driver.
There it is. Dutch common sense.

You’ll have no arguments from us… 

30 November 2022, 09:12

Tour of Britain boosts Nottinghamshire's economy by £4 million

Tour of Britain events (Destination Sports Experiences)
Tour of Britain events (Destination Sports Experiences) (Image Credit: Destination Sports Events ToB)
Tour of Britain events (Destination Sports Experiences)
Tour of Britain events (Destination Sports Experiences) (Image Credit: Destination Sports Events ToB)

An economic impact assessment commissioned by event organisers suggested that Nottinghamshire’s economy was boosted by £4.34m in net visitor expenditure, the Nottingham Post reports.

Stage five of this year’s race ran from West Bridgford to Mansfield and was won by Jordi Meeus of Bora-hansgrohe, the final stage before the race was called off out of respect following the death of Queen Elizabeth II.

The report showed 69 per cent of spectators visited from outside of Nottinghamshire, with 60 per cent saying they would visit the county again. More than three quarters visited with families and the average daily sped per group was £48.

Councillor Ben Bradley, leader of Nottinghamshire County Council, said: “The findings really are the icing on the cake after what was truly a stage to remember – especially for the fans who travelled here in their thousands to watch the race pass through our county.”

30 November 2022, 09:12

Tributes to Davide Rebellin

Will never forget this pic of Rebellin. He’d been most hyped young rider in the world in the 90s, won Classics, then seen his choir-boy image shredded…but here he was in Sept 2017, at the Tour de Banyuwangi Ijen (I had to look it up), 46yo & still living the dream – his dream. pic.twitter.com/ei3baBkI3f

— Daniel Friebe (@friebos) November 30, 2022

Davide Rebellin, one of the most renowned pro cyclists of recent times — primarily due to his glittering noughties classics successes and since through his longevity and love for the sport, only retiring last month aged 51 — has tragically been killed while riding his bike in Italy.

The tributes have been rolling in, including from fellow classics star and rival Alejandro Valverde who took to social media to write: “My deepest condolences to the family and friends of Davide Rebellin, a professional colleague and rival for so many years.”

We are deeply shocked by the sad news that Davide Rebellin has passed away.

Our thoughts are with the bereaved families and the (Italian) cycling peloton.

— Team Jumbo-Visma cycling (@JumboVismaRoad) November 30, 2022

Lotto Soudal’s now-former general manager John Lelangue shared a picture from an awards dinner following a criterium in Monaco on Sunday, won by the retiring Phlippe Gilbert, that also honoured Rebellin’s career…

I can not believe it; Davide Rebellin was still with us Sunday night in Monaco for the @BEKINGevents and even celebrated for his long career at the Gala Dinner. All my prayers are going for him to support his family, friends and colleagues. Rest in Peace Campione pic.twitter.com/jeSmkV1VLU

— John Lelangue (@johnlelangue) November 30, 2022

Nous apprenons avec tristesse le décès de Davide Rebellin, triple vainqueur de la #FlecheWallonne en 2004, 2007 et 2009.

Condoléances à sa famille et à ses proches. pic.twitter.com/r1SgvOzELC

— La Flèche Wallonne (@flechewallonne) November 30, 2022

30 November 2022, 09:12

"A few days ago we were doing our last pro race in Monaco and today you left to join the stars"

 
 
 
 
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A post shared by Davide Rebellin (@davide.rebellin)

Here was Philippe Gilbert and Davide Rebellin at the start of the criterium in Monaco on Sunday, the pair’s last race as professional cyclists.

Gilbert reposted the photo on Twitter this afternoon with the message: “A few days ago we were doing our last pro race in Monaco and today you left to join the stars. I think very strongly of Françoise and your family. I am very sad we will miss you amico. RIP #DavideRebellin” 

30 November 2022, 09:12

Your thoughts on the Vine video...

Mungecrundle is kicking off our dip into the comments this morning…

“I have a bit of a soft spot for our bin crews. They get a lot of crap from some due to the necessity of having stop a large vehicle right in the middle of the road in order to do their job, they are then at risk from the impatient and careless who look down on them for the work they do.

“There’s a reason for the orange warning beacons. Go slow, dead slow! Expect operatives working behind the vehicle and don’t be surprised if an errant bin appears in your path.

“I don’t think Jeremy was in any particular danger here as he was proceeding with caution, not really worth a reaction to be honest.”

Rendel Harris agrees… “Beat me to it, although I do think the operative was a little careless here in general I find the bin crews in London are the most courteous users of the road around. It’s not at all uncommon when cycling towards a bin lorry for one of the operatives to shout to the driver and the rest of his mates that a cyclist is coming through and for them to stand aside.

“They’re nearly always friendly in terms of exchanging good mornings etc as well. I think as vulnerable road users themselves who often get hassled by car drivers (by coincidence it’s our bin day today, it’s an unusual day when one doesn’t hear at least one car angrily hooting at the lorry for blocking the street) they have a greater affinity with cyclists than many.”

BalladOfStruth commented: “I’m always careful passing bin lorries, because I expect workers to step out from behind them, or jump out of the cab without looking – but this was a protected (ish) cycle lane next the road the bin lorry was working in. Gotta say, I probably wouldn’t have expected that.”

To which ShutTheFrontDawes replied: “The kicker for me is no apology (that I could hear at least). Everyone makes mistakes, but come on.”

30 November 2022, 09:12

Jeremy Vine's cycle lane near miss as empty bin chucked across London bike lane

Brilliant — from my ride to work this morning.
Cycling in London is better than any video game. pic.twitter.com/IS6fJpQ4cP

— Jeremy Vine (@theJeremyVine) November 30, 2022

Naive ol’ me reading Jeremy Vine suggest “cycling in London is better than any video game” and simply expecting some nice footage of pleasant cycling. It sounds even sillier now I’m writing it out…

Of course there’s a moment, captured in glorious 360-degree, that earns a shout from the pedalling presenter and a post on social media… but it’s not the usual dodgy dangerous driving… instead a rogue bin almost taking him out.

I say ‘rogue’. The bin itself had little to do with clip other than being lobbed in front of Vine by the rubbish throw (I’ll see myself out) of the binman nearby.

30 November 2022, 09:12

Cyclist deliberately rammed by laughing driver “blown away” by public support

Cyclist deliberately rammed by laughing driver “blown away” by public support

Over €1,500 has already been raised for injured cyclist Mark Rogan, who broke his collarbone in the “horrendous attack”

30 November 2022, 09:12

Terrible news breaking this afternoon...

Davide Rebellin killed in reported hit-and-run collision involving lorry driver

Davide Rebellin killed in reported hit-and-run collision involving lorry driver

The 51-year-old brought the curtain down on his 30-year professional career at last month’s Veneto Classic

30 November 2022, 09:12

Updated now with more info

Davide Rebellin killed in reported hit-and-run collision involving lorry driver

Davide Rebellin killed in reported hit-and-run collision involving lorry driver

The 51-year-old brought the curtain down on his 30-year professional career at last month’s Veneto Classic

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  1. IanMSpencer
    November 30, 2022 at 9:34 am
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    Substantial number of
    Substantial number of comments suggesting that it is Vine’s fault for not guessing that a bin man was going to fling a bin bouncing around the bike lane. The other half fixating on a marginal anticipation of the green light (but did he cross the line?).

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    • Patrick9-32
      November 30, 2022 at 9:38 am
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      Even when a cyclist does

      Even when a cyclist does nothing wrong, they are still in the wrong.

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    • BalladOfStruth
      November 30, 2022 at 9:44 am
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      IanMSpencer wrote:

      Substantial number of comments suggesting that it is Vine’s fault for not guessing that a bin man was going to fling a bin bouncing around the bike lane. The other half fixating on a marginal anticipation of the green light (but did he cross the line?).

      — IanMSpencer

      I’m always careful passing bin lorries, because I expect workers to step out from behind them, or jump out of the cab without looking – but this was a protected (ish) cycle-lane next the road the bin lorry was working in. Gotta say, I probably wouldn’t have expected that.

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      • JustTryingToGetFromAtoB
        November 30, 2022 at 9:50 am
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        BalladOfStruth wrote:

        Substantial number of comments suggesting that it is Vine’s fault for not guessing that a bin man was going to fling a bin bouncing around the bike lane. The other half fixating on a marginal anticipation of the green light (but did he cross the line?).

        — BalladOfStruth

        I’m always careful passing bin lorries, because I expect workers to step out from behind them, or jump out of the cab without looking – but this was a protected (ish) cycle-lane next the road the bin lorry was working in. Gotta say, I probably wouldn’t have expected that.— IanMSpencer

        Exactly that. Go slow (which it looks like he did) but the bin throw was ridiculous. It looks potentially deliberate. There was time for worker to see the cyclist and then the bin was chucked anyway… and apparently left!

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        • ShutTheFrontDawes
          November 30, 2022 at 10:11 am
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          The kicker for me is no
          The kicker for me is no apology (that I could hear at least). Everyone makes mistakes, but come on.

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    • Steve K
      November 30, 2022 at 12:13 pm
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      IanMSpencer wrote:

      Substantial number of comments suggesting that it is Vine’s fault for not guessing that a bin man was going to fling a bin bouncing around the bike lane.

      — IanMSpencer

      Regardless of the specifics of this case, the general social media view on cycling is that it is always the cyclist’s responsibility to anticipate every possible hazard, and never the creator of that hazard’s responsibility not to cause danger to the cyclist.

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      • eburtthebike
        November 30, 2022 at 2:47 pm
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        Steve K wrote:

        Regardless of the specifics of this case, the general social media view on cycling is that it is always the cyclist’s responsibility to anticipate every possible hazard, and never the creator of that hazard’s responsibility not to cause danger to the cyclist.

        — Steve KExactly.  It is the cause of the danger that should be taking the greatest steps to mitigate the risk, not the victim; unless they are a cyclist.

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      • IanMSpencer
        November 30, 2022 at 6:22 pm
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        Yet oddly, motorists object

        Yet oddly, motorists object to having to anticipate hazards due to cyclists in the road (and indeed anything else). I must save the video of a 1 mile stretch of road on Tuesday where I had one car overtake at a junction where a car was waiting to pull out, inevitably the car pulling out saw me and pulled out, and the car overtaking MGIF’d and ended up wanting the same bit of road. Then a car overtook on a bend and was surprised to discover a car coming the other way, oncoming car took avoiding action. Then approaching a roundabout, a car was so wide overtaking me they nearly had a head on with a car that appeared doing a left turn – more evasion required. Each left me plenty of room and each failed to consider the risks they were taking.

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  2. BalladOfStruth
    November 30, 2022 at 9:41 am
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    Oh look, a JV video on the

    Oh look, a JV video on the live blog. I guess today’s thread is going to be a write-off due to troll-brigading as well then…

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    • JustTryingToGetFromAtoB
      November 30, 2022 at 9:53 am
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      BalladOfStruth wrote:

      Oh look, a JV video on the live blog. I guess today’s thread is going to be a write-off due to troll-brigading as well then…

      — BalladOfStruth

      Yup… resist, starve the dimwits

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    • giff77
      November 30, 2022 at 10:12 am
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      Mind you. Some may have been

      Mind you. Some may have been sin binned so it could be quieter than normal. 

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  3. brooksby
    November 30, 2022 at 10:01 am
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    Shout out to the cyclists of

    Shout out to the cyclists of Bristol – is it just me, or has the new CAZ made a serious impact on traffic levels in the city centre? (and its only been running since Monday)

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  4. Mungecrundle
    November 30, 2022 at 10:06 am
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    I have a bit of a soft spot
    I have a bit of a soft spot for our bin crews. They get a lot of crap from some due to the necessity of having stop a large vehicle right in the middle of the road in order to do their job, they are then at risk from the impatient and careless who look down on them for the work they do.

    There’s a reason for the orange warning beacons. Go slow, dead slow! Expect operatives working behind the vehicle and don’t be surprised if an errant bin appears in your path.

    I don’t think Jeremy was in any particular danger here as he was proceeding with caution, not really worth a reaction to be honest.

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    • Rendel Harris
      November 30, 2022 at 10:13 am
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      Mungecrundle wrote:

      I have a bit of a soft spot for our bin crews. They get a lot of crap from some due to the necessity of having stop a large vehicle right in the middle of the road in order to do their job, they are then at risk from the impatient and careless who look down on them for the work they do.

      — Mungecrundle

      Beat me to it, although I do think the operative was a little careless here in general I find the bin crews in London are the most courteous users of the road around. It’s not at all uncommon when cycling towards a bin lorry for one of the operatives to shout to the driver and the rest of his mates that a cyclist is coming through and for them to stand aside. They’re nearly always friendly in terms of exchanging good mornings etc as well. I think as vulnerable road users themselves who often get hassled by car drivers (by coincidence it’s our bin day today, it’s an unusual day when one doesn’t hear at least one car angrily hooting at the lorry for blocking the street) they have a greater affinity with cyclists than many.

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    • Sriracha
      November 30, 2022 at 9:05 pm
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      Well, I thought it was a
      Well, I thought it was a rubbish move.

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  5. Rendel Harris
    November 30, 2022 at 11:18 am
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    It would be really great if

    It would be really great if in finishing in Nice in 2024 the organisers could, for once, eschew the usual processionary stage and have full-on racing, there are such wonderful mountains all around the area that it could make a finish for the ages. Knowing the ASO I’m 99% sure they’ll just go for a dull pootle along the coast with a sprint finish on the Anglais, but hope springs eternal.

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    • AlsoSomniloquism
      November 30, 2022 at 1:53 pm
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      After my volunteering stint

      After my volunteering stint with the CWG in Birmingham, I was looking at Paris Olympics for an encore and wondering if I could go early and catch the finale. 

      (I was aware it was probably being moved but no decision had fully been made).

      However I do hope, as you mentioned, that they decide a good full race now rather then a GC procession.

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    • Miller
      November 30, 2022 at 5:41 pm
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      I suspect the riders enjoy

      I suspect the riders enjoy the last stage being relatively low stress. One last sprint and they can have a big party and then take their family for a beach holiday.

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      • Rendel Harris
        November 30, 2022 at 6:03 pm
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        Miller wrote:

        I suspect the riders enjoy the last stage being relatively low stress. One last sprint and they can have a big party and then take their family for a beach holiday.

        — Miller

        I’m sure they do and by God they earn it, but just every now and again it might be nice to have a last day that actually meant something? Two thirds of the Giro last days since 2008 have been individual time trials and produced some amazing finales…imagine Pog, Rog, Bernal, Vingegaard – maybe even Pidcock! – all within two minutes of each other and an out and back 40k TT over the Col de Braus on the final day. A man can dream… but as I said, almost certainly won’t happen. 

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  6. Steve K
    November 30, 2022 at 11:43 am
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    Build it and they will come –

    Build it and they will come – big rises in cycling in London.

    https://tfl-newsroom.prgloo.com/news/tfl-press-release-new-tfl-data-shows-continued-boominwalking-and-cycling-with-almost-twice-asmany-now-living-near-a-high-quality-cycle-route

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    • Owd Big 'Ead
      November 30, 2022 at 12:52 pm
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      London, London, London,

      London, London, London, London……

      Whilst that’s great news, it means absolutely nothing to the vast majority of people who don’t live there and have to continuously look on in envy at London getting all the funding while the rest of the country gets crumbs at best.

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      • chrisonabike
        November 30, 2022 at 1:39 pm
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        True.

        True.

        Green shoots though (don’t worry, I’m not calling “bike boom”!)?  London’s really a bunch of large towns stuck together (plus tube) though so there are maybe some transferrable lessons from there?  Cambridge doesn’t look bad – although it’s an outlier for other reasons anyway.  Other places?  York, Bristol?  Cardiff?  Bits of new towns / places developed around a certain period e.g. Peterborough have some fossilised cycle infra mini-networks (probably surprising to anyone who’s driven there and there are all the UK issues).  Edinburgh where I stay certainly works for me as is, you can find lots of cyclists in places / at certain times and is building new stuff.  If you look at the overall modal share it’s still pretty feeble though.

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      • Steve K
        November 30, 2022 at 1:53 pm
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        Owd Big ‘Ead wrote:

        London, London, London, London……

        Whilst that’s great news, it means absolutely nothing to the vast majority of people who don’t live there and have to continuously look on in envy at London getting all the funding while the rest of the country gets crumbs at best.

        — Owd Big 'Ead

        Well, if nothing else, it might show what can be done with political will and the right investment.

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        • Awavey
          November 30, 2022 at 7:20 pm
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          but where is the political

          but where is the political will ? Active Travel England keep holding up a school in Suffolk as an exemplar for cycling/walking, yet cant even ask the obvious questions of why that hasnt translated into any shift in modal stats in the area, and some of the highest car ownership in the country

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  7. Steve K
    November 30, 2022 at 11:46 am
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    My only issue with bin

    My only issue with bin lorries is the smell when you get stuck behind one in the height of summer.

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    • IanMSpencer
      November 30, 2022 at 12:14 pm
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      Back in the 60s, bins were

      Back in the 60s, bins were full of rotting food and nobody used bin liners. Bin lorries often were flatbed trucks with sliding doors over the load,  which might be left open (see below). They reaked.

       

      Then there was the joy of the 1970s bin strikes.

      Modern bin lorries are perfumed in comparison 🙂

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  8. Owd Big 'Ead
    November 30, 2022 at 12:54 pm
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    Jeremy Vine talking twaddle

    Jeremy Vine talking twaddle again?

    Hardly lobbed was it. Nor did he have to take his life in his hands to evade the bin.

    Sometimes he comes across as hyperbolic. This morning was one of those times.

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  9. LeadenSkies
    November 30, 2022 at 1:39 pm
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    Careless and a little
    Careless and a little distracted by the binman, and an overreaction by Vine imho.

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    • STiG911
      November 30, 2022 at 3:03 pm
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      LeadenSkies wrote:

      Careless and a little distracted by the binman, and an overreaction by Vine imho.

      — LeadenSkies

      More like lazy and ignorant by the binman, as he was clearly going back to the cab leaving the bin in the cycle lane instead of returning it to whereever on the pavement it came from…

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      • Rendel Harris
        November 30, 2022 at 3:17 pm
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        STiG911 wrote:

        More like lazy and ignorant by the binman, as he was clearly going back to the cab leaving the bin in the cycle lane instead of returning it to whereever on the pavement it came from…

        — STiG911

        In his defence, round my way at least there are generally a couple of guys going ahead of the lorry pulling the paladins to the kerbside, a couple dragging them into the road, unloading them into the lorry and pushing them back to the kerbside, then a couple more guys following up behind to return them to their usual places, so although it was careless he probably wasn’t just leaving it there.

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        • STiG911
          November 30, 2022 at 4:38 pm
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          Rendel Harris wrote:

          More like lazy and ignorant by the binman, as he was clearly going back to the cab leaving the bin in the cycle lane instead of returning it to whereever on the pavement it came from…

          — Rendel Harris

          …are generally a couple of guys going ahead of the lorry pulling the paladins to the kerbside, a couple dragging them into the road, unloading them into the lorry and pushing them back to the kerbside, then a couple more guys following up behind to return them to their usual places, so although it was careless he probably wasn’t just leaving it there.

          — STiG911

          None such guys present = just leaving it there like a lazy twat. 

          Do the job you’re paid for, not half of it.

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      • LeadenSkies
        November 30, 2022 at 4:17 pm
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        I agree the binman could have
        I agree the binman could have placed the bin more carefully but that may well have been the designated storage, at least temporarily. I don’t know where it was exactly but there are plenty of areas in the City and the West End especially where commercial bins have to be placed kerbside, collected and taken in again within a very very short time window because there is nowhere on the street for them to be stored. It is unfortunate but when the city was laid out 1000+ years ago, they didn’t consider how to wedge in cars, bikes and wheelie bins so the services today have to do the best with the layout they are working with. I am not sure if I would have stayed around with the like of Vine gobbing off, an apology was unlikely to cut it with him so why waste my breath.

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        • marmotte27
          November 30, 2022 at 6:18 pm
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          “the designated storage, at

          “the designated storage, at least temporarily”

          Wtf. Yet another troll ?

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          • hawkinspeter
            November 30, 2022 at 6:26 pm
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            marmotte27 wrote:

            “the designated storage, at least temporarily”

            Wtf. Yet another troll ?

            — marmotte27

            It’s a bizarre take, but not trolling in my opinion.

          • Hirsute
            November 30, 2022 at 8:21 pm
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            No, definitely not a troll,

            No, definitely not a troll, in fact a very useful person to have commenting given their fire service work.

            I’d say Vine is marmite, so you should not be surprised people give him short shrift.

          • LeadenSkies
            December 1, 2022 at 5:18 pm
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            When I had a short-lived
            When I had a short-lived stint in the City thirty plus years ago the rubbish had to be moved from the rear yard, placed on the pavement in their designated spot at a set time each day for collection and empty bins taken back in again within iirc 30 minutes, may have been less. Simply no other way to do to do it as no space in the street to store a bin and no vehicular access to the rear of the premises. For the short time in the late evening where they were collected they blocked a fair chunk of the pavement but no other option hence the strictly enforced stipulation that they were there for the minimum possible time. I presume it’s still the same though I haven’t worked up there since. If you want pubs, clubs, shops and offices in relatively narrow city streets laid out centuries ago then unfortunately you have to compromise occasionally.

  10. eburtthebike
    November 30, 2022 at 2:37 pm
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    “British Cycling’s advent

    “British Cycling’s advent calendar…..”

    I took offence at the appalling soundtrack.

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  11. perce
    November 30, 2022 at 3:23 pm
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    I’ve just found out that The

    I’ve just found out that The Adventures of Robin Hood 50’s/60’s tv series starring Richard Greene was explicitly created to enable the commissioning of scripts by blacklisted American writers during the McCarthy period. I never knew that. Very successful it was too

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  12. ChrisB200SX
    November 30, 2022 at 4:01 pm
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    Those wheelie bins are

    Those wheelie bins are massive and heavy enough to cause a fair bit of danger. You can’t just go pushing them across the road like that without first checking that it is safe to do so.

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  13. Fredy
    November 30, 2022 at 4:04 pm
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    Very seldom watch the final

    Very seldom watch the final stage of TDF as such an anticlimax.

    Hopefully Nice will be nice ?

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    • HarrogateSpa
      November 30, 2022 at 8:41 pm
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      With you on that one. Ok,

      With you on that one. Ok, there’s the sprint, but all the divving about and sipping champagne beforehand…it’s not sport.

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  14. hawkinspeter
    November 30, 2022 at 4:26 pm
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    I was looking at that cycle

    I was looking at that cycle lane portaloo and thought it looked vaguely familiar, but dismissed it as not everything is Bristol-based. However had another look and thought – that’s Mina Rd in St Werburghs. Google Maps has it on the other side of the road: https://www.google.com/maps/@51.4714351,-2.5766185,3a,75y,172.24h,94.74t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s4pvLjhsAbZSoosoIwidToQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

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  15. peted76
    November 30, 2022 at 4:49 pm
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    I am saddened that I’ve never

    I am saddened that I’ve never seen this before today.. 

    pic.twitter.com/xf4k6Ve4KV

    — No Context Brits (@NoContextBrits) November 29, 2022

    ..see.. twatter is good for some stuff.

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    • hawkinspeter
      November 30, 2022 at 5:08 pm
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      peted76 wrote:

      I am saddened that I’ve never seen this before today.. 

      pic.twitter.com/xf4k6Ve4KV

      — No Context Brits (@NoContextBrits) November 29, 2022

      ..see.. twatter is good for some stuff.

      — peted76

      Pfffft! I posted about that on yesterday’s live blog:

      This old clip made me chuckle: https://imgur.com/gallery/a841gyT

      (Taken from https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/23156738.watch-cars-crash-hilarious-north-east-a19-archive-footage/)— hawkinspeter

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  16. Awavey
    November 30, 2022 at 7:16 pm
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    Thought this would have at

    Thought this would have at least made the live blog today, if not a dedicated article, especially as the council admit they wont introduce a segregated route for cyclists, even though the changes are being done because 70% of crashes at this roundabout involved pedestrians or cyclists being hit, because it would cause delays to motorists. I guess the EDP need to up their twitter game.

    https://www.edp24.co.uk/news/23159182.plans-revamp-norwichs-heartsease-roundabout-revealed/

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  17. mattw
    December 1, 2022 at 9:54 am
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    Hmmm.

    Hmmm.

    Just noticed on the Notts website that we are getting some infra near the Mansfield University campus whatever it is called now, and some closer to home on Kirkby Folly Road.

    A first -ve they seem to be doing the crossover bikes and peds and run the cycle track along the road kerb thing.

    WIll have a look.

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  18. Adam Sutton
    December 2, 2022 at 1:04 pm
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    Hmm so this was worded to

    Hmm so this was worded to make out someone deliberitley tried to take Vine out, but in fact was just a refuse worker doing his work and Vine avoiding the obstacle. OK then.

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    • chrisonabike
      December 2, 2022 at 1:21 pm
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      Yeah – Vine’s bit Marmite for

      Yeah – Vine’s bit Marmite for me too.  He’s often correct of course … but either he or others sometimes make a bit more story out of it.  I think this one is mostly “bin man doing routine task not taking sufficient care with it” story.  Obviously didn’t look where he was sending the bin.  That’s not good of course, but likely just on autopilot and “it’s not busy here” and didn’t think any further.

      Only additional thing to do might be to remind refuse collectors about cycle lanes and that cyclists could be moving considerably faster than pedestrians!

      The large point to note is there’s a contribution from this still being a UK cycle lane e.g. visually just another part of the “road” – no kerb, no separation, no change in colour…

      Personally I’d note this for the next “why we still need better infra than this even though it’s a wide lane for the UK” discussion.  Then put it down to experience.  It seems that the cyclist was sensibly being cautious and that paid off.

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      • Adam Sutton
        December 2, 2022 at 1:51 pm
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        As a presenter I cannot abide

        As a presenter I cannot abide Vine, he is the worse form of shock jock with no discernible journalistic talent or integrity, his radio show is a dreadful exercise is button pushing and shouting people down. Sadly this often bleeds into his cycling advocacy and detracts from when he does raise genuine issues. His recent video on High Street Ken with a taxi was an embaressment of him refusing to move back to the now clear LH lane to try and make a point.

        Your likely right the worker was on autopilot and Vine saying it was his morning commute as well as it being dark, I would guess very early hours. Though more care really should have been taken.

        I cycle this route myself on my homeward commute back to Charing Cross and it isn’t anywhere near as bad as you think. Traffic is one way and as can be seen traffic signals on the cycle lane (although probably just Vine and myself who bother to actually stop). The biggest hazard later in the day is pedesrrians not paying any attention and walking blindly into the lane, as well as parked cycles in the lane Further up you hit Hammersmith roundabout and in the last few months a segreated and signalled lane has been added around the top going West to East, which is a godsend. Be nice if they did something the other way, as the roundabout is not nice to cycle round, but I am not sure how feasible that would be.

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        • chrisonabike
          December 2, 2022 at 2:55 pm
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          Adam Sutton wrote:

          … The biggest hazard later in the day is pedesrrians not paying any attention and walking blindly into the lane, as well as parked cycles in the lane …

          — Adam Sutton

          Yeah.  It’s another “chicken and egg” one.  Although mostly just a minor irritation for me.

          The goal would be the Dutch solution – genuine pedestrianised local “centres”* with obviously separate space for cycling and walking elsewhere **. 

          We should be doing this properly “ahead of time” (e.g. before volume of cyclists / reduction in competition for any pedestrian space makes this self-enforcing).  We certainly shouldn’t be paying for more “fight over scraps” shared use stuff especially not “sign it better” re-purposed footways…

          * Which are going to be busy with people walking so likely cyclists (like motor vehicles) will naturally take the detours round the sides.  And park their bikes at the bike parking around the edges.  Oh – we don’t have either of those?  Another one for the list!

          ** Except where one mode is almost absent and overall traffic is low.  On longer countryside sections between places the Dutch only build cycle paths – with few cyclists and minimal pedestrians this works fine.

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mattw 3 hours ago

The cyclist here needs to look into Section 142 of the Magistrates' Court Act 1980, firstly because there was no offence, and secondly because it appears that the police mislead the Court. "A magistrates’ court may vary or rescind a sentence or other order imposed or made by it when dealing with an offender if it appears to the court to be in the interests of justice to do so;] and it is hereby declared that this power extends to replacing a sentence or order which for any reason appears to be invalid by another which the court has power to impose or make." https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1980/43/section/142

in: Police say “not appropriate” to release close pass footage captured by cyclist fined £1,200 in viral clip
mattw 3 hours ago

I wonder how well advised the cyclist was in Court? And in this case would cycling legal insurance cover the cost of a specialist solicitor?

in: Police say “not appropriate” to release close pass footage captured by cyclist fined £1,200 in viral clip
mattw 3 hours ago

@quiff I would expect the police had not been trained with the change, perhaps.

in: Police say “not appropriate” to release close pass footage captured by cyclist fined £1,200 in viral clip
Rendel Harris 3 hours ago

@courteousdriver The Highway Code does not differentiate between cars and bikes in this instance, it says that when overtaking parked cars you must give way to oncoming traffic. It's not for you to decide whether or not they have sufficient space in your opinion, you should not drive in the oncoming traffic lane if there is any oncoming traffic, full stop. Not a difficult rule to understand and one that one would have thought a self-named courteousdriver would have no trouble obeying.

in: Police say “not appropriate” to release close pass footage captured by cyclist fined £1,200 in viral clip
mattw 3 hours ago

@mctrials23 It seems to me that the car moved closer to the kerb on his side of the road, and the cyclist was able to proceed entirely within his own lane - both at very slow speed. So there is no ground for an offence. The concerning point is that the copper thinks that the same "gap" should apply to the different types of vehicle. That's peak carbrain.

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quiff 4 hours ago

Peripheral to your point, but parking facing oncoming traffic is advised against at all times, but only an offence at night, I think?

in: Police say “not appropriate” to release close pass footage captured by cyclist fined £1,200 in viral clip
Rendel Harris 4 hours ago

@mac f 1896 If you look closely at the video you will see that the cyclist remains entirely in his own lane on his side of the white lines as he passes the oncoming vehicle, which also stays entirely within its lane. There is therefore no need for either road user to give way to the other and as they are both travelling at low speeds there is no danger to themselves or to any other road users. I would love to see a transcript of the magistrates' court proceedings as prima facie there is no justification in law for the guilty finding or for the penalty imposed.

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chrisonabike 5 hours ago

@perce pedantry but I think Séamus Ennis would be scunnered with that ... had he not been Irish... (Uilleann pipes are bagpipes of course, though personally I'd much rather those - or small pipes - than the GHB)

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HoarseMann 5 hours ago

@quiff I think you are probably right here - but - is that _really_ being inconsiderate to the oncoming driver? Looking again at the video, the oncoming driver appears to be over the centre line when approaching the parked vehicle and just seems to be straightening the bend a little, so you would expect them to be moving towards the kerb anyway. As driving interactions go, it's about as benign as it gets. I expect the magistrate has never ridden a bicycle, but I also wonder if they've ever driven a car?!

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chrisonabike 5 hours ago

Thanks - I only had a quick peek on Streetview and I'm glad it works for locals, but it looked like "you say 'shared used facility', I say 'same old not-over-generous footway now with the odd blue sign". We don't need cycle paths absolutely everywhere, but looking at the size of the road, where it goes and runs though I would be thinking more like this (minus parked cars): https://maps.app.goo.gl/gswbQefKzc47nEJm8 Or... declare it an urban freeway and get rid of the junctions and houses next to it! Maximum flow...

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