“There is no way on earth I can ride up that”: 36 per cent monster Britain’s new steepest climb?; “What active travel looks like”: Shared-use path van dodging; Celeb cycling chart; Readers’ pro tales; Josh Quigley; Count the bikes + more on the live blog
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Another reader's "full kit wan..oh it's..." story, this time starring Luke Rowe
Cav popping up in London, surprising riders in the capital, was our main live blog story yesterday…
We had a few tales from readers who’d bumped into pro riders out on the roads…descending with Vincenzo Nibali, jumping away from the lights with Sir Chris Hoy, waving to G etc…
Rendel Harris has another: “Riding through the Brecons a few years back, saw a guy at the traffic lights going the other way in full Sky kit. Me: ‘Would you look at that sad bugger, full Sky replica kit, he looks like an OK rider but I mean Jesus, oh my God look he’s even got a Dogma in Sky colours, get a life!’ Mrs H: ‘Isn’t that Luke Rowe?’ Me: ‘Oh. Yeah. Suppose I’ll allow it this once then.’”
Jo's going to need a bigger chart! Celebrity Cycling Champion Chart...Clarkson to the left, Vine on the right
I wondered what a Celebrity Cycling Champion Chart (CCCC) would look like.
You can only get on this chart if you:
1. Are a celebrity
2. Use your platform to speak about cyclingWho is missing? pic.twitter.com/994jVtvXji
— Jo Rigby (@Jo_Earlsfield) September 17, 2021
Presumably Jeremey Clarkson is so far to the left he disappeared off the paper…
Josh Quigley update: No weekend rest as seven-day record attempt nears an end
DAY 4 COMPLETED: 273 MILES / 1238 MILES TOTAL / 58% OF RECORD
7 DAY CYCLING DISTANCE WORLD RECORD ATTEMPT 🚴🏻♂️🥇
GUINNESS WORLD RECORDS: “GREATEST DISTANCE CYCLED IN ONE WEEK – UNPACED” 🏆🌍
Sponsor: @Thomas_Franks_
Photography: @thaywoodphoto pic.twitter.com/76h5emXolC— Josh Quigley (@JoshQuigley2026) September 17, 2021
The weekend may be close for the rest of us, but poor Josh Quigley’s got two more full days of his seven-day cycling distance record attempt to go. Another 273 miles yesterday means he’s 58 per cent of the way there…
North Coast - A cycling film by Restrap follows five friends around the NC500
Restrap followed five friends as they took on Scotland’s famous NC500, creating this film – North Coast. The original plan was to head over to Europe, but plans had to change because of Covid restrictions, and a week later a new destination and route was set.
The film follows their NC500 journey, including the realities of touring through harsh conditions, changeable weather and the challenges of crossing a country emerging from a pandemic lockdown.
Warning: the incredible scenery will likely induce strong travel envy and, by the end of the film, the NC500 might be right at the top of your riding bucket list…
Test Valley residents asked for views on walking and cycling ahead of active travel investment
Residents are being asked to submit their views on cycling and walking, as plans for new active travel infrastructure are being drawn up, the Daily Echo reports. Hampshire County Council has launched a survey on its new Local Cycling and Walking Infrastructure Plan for the Southern Test Valley, covering Romsey, North Baddesley, Chilworth and Nursling.
The survey was released on September 6 and will run for eight weeks on the county council website. Councillor Russell Oppenheimer said: “Since the pandemic began, we have seen more people walking and cycling as their preferred means of travel to work and for leisure.
“We would like to improve walking and cycling facilities and networks to encourage this continuing trend both for the health and wellbeing advantages and for the clear environmental benefits in reducing the number of cars on the road.”
Let's have a Friday game of count the cyclists...
Look at the number of cyclists here – throughout rush hour, every few minutes as the lights change, the numbers build up again.
London is a cycling city, where there is infrastructure, huge numbers of people cycle #londoncycles pic.twitter.com/AFBvz3JWi7
— London Cycles (@London_Cycles) September 17, 2021
I got 21 heading left and 10 going right?
"There is no way on earth I can ride up that. The goal posts are moved again": Simon Warren names Peak District's 36.5 per cent monster "THE steepest climb in Britain"
We came back to measure Bamford Clough. 36.5% at steepest point. SHUT UP! pic.twitter.com/x1djt1Oqew
— Simon Warren (@100Climbs) September 16, 2021
Simon Warren, author of the 100 Greatest Cycling Climbs series, has found another belter. Hidden away in the Peak District and maxing out at 36.5 per cent, Bamford Clough is “the steepest climb in Britain”, according to the climbing connoisseur…
Strava has it as 500m of 21.7 per cent gradient, but a segment named ‘The Clough – insane bit’ picks out the toughest 300m averaging 26 per cent…the main question I’m taking from all of this is how did they manage to resurface it?
Simon went to check it out earlier in the week and admitted even he was defeated by its savage slopes: “Nope. Not happening. There is no way on earth I can ride up that. The goal posts are moved again. I give you the steepest climb in Britain. Again.
“Too steep. Harder then Afon Ddu. Wet, covered in leaves yet beautiful tarmac. Chain jumped off front ring somehow under pressure and that was it, foot down. Too hard to ride in saddle, too slippery to get out.”
Usually climbs don’t look quite so brutal in pictures, not this one…
FLIPPING ECK
They’ve resurfaced Bamford Clough.
This is more than 35% and is much harder than HARD KNOTTS
None of us were able to cycle up it pic.twitter.com/oHdsYKbUUV
— Stan (@geckobike) September 5, 2021
Captured in the Peak District today: the lesser spotted walking @100Climbs #BamfordClough #walkofshame pic.twitter.com/E0BkSlQJeU
— VeloViewer (@VeloViewer) September 15, 2021
More details on Hampshire active travel surveys
road.cc reader Tim let us know there are also residents’ surveys for Eastleigh, Gosport, Fareham and Havant too…
Tim’s comment has all the good stuff and links you need:
Hi @Road_cc
Re the “Southern Test Valleys LCWIP”, there have actually been 5 released: Eastleigh, Gosport, Fareham, Havant and Southern Test Valley. The Gosport & Fareham LCWIP map is attached for example..
Full details are here:
https://hampshirelcwips.commonplace.is/Currently working to combine this with the East Hants and Portsmouth LCWIP’s to put together the full strategic network into a single map. We urge anyone local to get involved, and if possible, reach out to the following groups and offer your assistance!
Local Campaign Groups covering it:
Walk Ride Waterlooville (www.walkRideWaterlooville.org.uk)
Cycle Havant, (www.facebook.com/CycleHavant)
Cycle Hayling (http://www.cyclehayling.org.uk)
Cycle Gosport (www.facebook.com/CycleGosport)
Fareham – TBD
Eastleigh – TBDTim
Member, Cycle Hampshire.
Two of the world's best pro cyclists or an EDM duo checking in for Tomorrowland?
Remco and Wout look like they just dropped the hottest album of 2021 pic.twitter.com/HZeQpzFViB
— Cycling out of context (@OutOfCycling) September 17, 2021
Sunday’s when the next TT world champion will be crowned. The Belgians are looking good on and off the bike and have a great chance of a medal on home roads. Elsewhere, expect Filippo Ganna, Rohan Dennis and newly crowned double European champ Stefan Küng to be in the mix…
Mixed messages
What do you make of this? #cycling pic.twitter.com/wSBKLVgefU
— Noon (@Noonkemp) September 16, 2021
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@Rendel Harris you've painted a rather alluring picture of social harmony there, but unfortunately you've got my name wrong. I'm Jack, not Nigel. However, to return the compliment, I must think of a story for you. I imagine you sat outside a pub, real ale and pipe propped on the adjacent table, in a similar fashion to Nigel Farage at his populist best. You turn to your wife. "You know what dear? I think I've been a bit harsh in my time. I've shunned the politeness and wisdom of others for too long and want to change my ways.* "There there Rendel", says Mrs Harris. "You're not a bad old stick, it's just living in London that's emptied your soul of kindness and compassion. I've found a lovely new place where we can settle down in our later years. It's on a leafy cul de sac, surrounded by friendly neighbours and smiling faces. There's a guy a couple of doors down, a remarkable man. As well as his towering intellect and rapier wit, he's also a keen cyclist, holding severa local KOMs. Don't be perturbed dear - he'll ride with anyone provided they show other road users the kindness and courtesy they deserve." Rendel turned emotionally, voice shaking. "Oh my dear, thank you for this second chance", and with that the rest of the pub goers turned and applauded the couple, throwing garlands of petals in their wake. The end.
As a Councillor, Edward needs to be paying some attention to all that parking obstructing visibility and manoeuvres at the junction, and sorting out those radii.
Ed Hill was chucked out by Reform in 2025, though TBF to him it was about how to run it rather than ideology I think. He is now reportedly closer to Advance UK, which is distinctly more extreme than Reform. I'd call this Alan Amos style attention seeking.
Emily, thank you for such an insightful piece. I’m a man, but I enjoy watching the women’s races, possibly more than the men’s. The racing is so much closer, we rarely know who’s going to win. You painted a wonderful picture of how a true champion is able to ‘rise above’ setbacks and distractions, and focus their energy on the task in hand. ‘All’s fair in live and war -and sport, but always good to hear riders expressing their admiration for their competitors
@Nigel Garage ...and then everyone applauded my courtesy and I waved courteously to all the people who were courteously throwing flowers and cheering and courteously waving flags that said "Nigel is the best!"
The picture from street view clearly shows give way lines from the roads to the green painted cycle/pedestrian lane. The road user should give way (or must...) to the user of the green lane. This would of course apply to any cyclist on the roadway.
If I recall there is a cave or two along the route - perhaps they were sheltering from the heat in one of those having taken it for a Golf bunker?
“So if there’s a cyclist travelling down the cycle path at the moment, from this position I can’t see them because my blind spots are too big on the left hand side of the vehicle”, claims Hill. Well, there's your problem, right there...🙄
First impression from the headline that he's likely a twit. Then the detail he was expelled from Reform makes you suspect that failing even their low bar requirements he really is. Then he clearly explains his vehicle is unsafe for the highway because he can't see to give way when turning. Any collision he now has should have that video run out explaining he drove a vehicle he knew to be unsafe. Advice for motorists; instead of thinking that pedestrians and cyclists are low risk 100kg objects, imagine them as a 300 Tonne trains that will crush you and your vehicle if you cross into their paths. You'd give way to the train, so you equally can to the others.
I've had a brief look on Facebook, and Ed Hill (who now appears to be affiliated with Advance UK) seems to have taken some useful road safety improvements under his remit, including an initiative to help local pedestrians on unpaved roads, where the wider council won't help due to planning failures. Regarding the cycle path, I think this is linked to a wider misunderstanding about giving way at junctions and I'm afraid I cannot agree with Mr Hill's conclusion. Regardless of the suitability of the cycle path, vehicles should give way at the junction to both pedestrians crossing and cyclists. It seems to be a poorly understood rule among motorists where some believe they have priority at junctions like this, where they certainly do not. I once had a similar issue myself, while leisurely walking to Waitrose to buy some lunchtime fripperies. A driver beeped their horn as I crossed the junction, despite me having priority, and was shocked and apologetic when I explained I had priority. A polite conversation later, the driver departed, educated and updated on the rules of the road.
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Hoping a pavement parking ban
Hoping a pavement parking ban might eventually be in the works following last year’s consultation but not holding my breath.
Scotland brought in laws that could enable a parking pavement ban in 2019, but have made no further progress in actually implementing it.
It always amazes me that whilst driving on the pavement is illegal, parking there is not. And a car being parked on the pavement is apparently not evidence of it having been driven on the pavement. How else did they all get there?
OnYerBike wrote:
Google drone? 8 big chaps came out of the pub and just lifted it on there? Shunted by someone else’s car? Wind blew it?
chrisonatrike wrote:
something like this?
Crikey! Wouldn’t want to
Crikey! Wouldn’t want to share the road with them. Alas I do note “no arrests” – hopefully soon someone does at least get told they’re not allowed to do that again.
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Was that deliberate?
A typho.
A typho.
pockstone wrote:
You only get an o, with Typho….
pockstone wrote:
typhoid Jermey?
I bet every one of the
I bet every one of the drivers of those parked vehicles thinks that they are a good driver, and that they are so much better than those lawless cyclists.
Our local school tries to
Our local school tries to stop this by putting no-parking signs out for the duration of drop off and pick up. Which a) it shouldnt be their problem to solve, but they get it in the neck from the residents. b) just moved the problem further down the street and changed it to half on/half off the pavement.
Every so often the council sends a warden on a moped around. Not sure that solves anything.
Im on the fence about it. The school run is transitory and the same people moaning about the school drop off dont moan about the residents of the houses on the street with no drives/parking spaces who do the same thing who are there permanently….. Double yellows all the way down would be my approach.
Passing the school near me
Passing the school near me yesterday afternoon at kicking out time there were parents parked nose to tail around two corners, half on half off the pavement, there were people parked on the zig zags of the zebra crossing and even in the bus stop. It was a glorious day and yet none of the parents thought their little darlings could walk a few meters extra. Probably because all the bad parking makes it too dangerous.
Where I used to live they had a camera car that would drive past and book anyone parking illegally.
Antisocial driving, parking
Antisocial driving, parking and idling is rife even at leafy Garstang’s Community Academy. Even when it’s unbearably hot the dreadful mothers (the stereotype is true! large SUVs, engines idling, roads blocked, buses can’t get through- school buses that is, large tailbacks) have to park as close as possible to the school so the idle little *******s don’t have to walk a terrifyingly arduous few hundred yards. The people most affected are the respectable students walking a considerable distance in both directions to their homes through the clouds of carbon monoxide, NOx, VOCs etc. It is reprehensible that the school and the police do nothing about this.
There was a school Iocally,
There was a school Iocally, where one set of parents had grouped together to discourage other parents from using cars on the school run. The police actually had to advise them to stop their campaign, because they wouldnt be able to protect them.
That’s assuming double yellow
That’s assuming double yellow lines have any meaning in your neck of the woods – they have very little here in my South Lakes town. Riding out of town on the northerly road out on my way to work yesterday, I must have passed at least 7-8 parked on Double Yellows in the space of about 150 metres. That’s not a one-off either, it’s the same every morning. There’s also a small gym at the end of our road – double yellows all around, and you can be guaranteed that come the afternoon they will be mostly obscured by the gym patrons. The irony of course being that if they had walked or cycled (or run!) then they would be even fitter!
Round here there is a college
Round here there is a college where the road and dedicated drop off zone have all been remodelled and resurfaced, gleaming double yellows all along the road other than the designated drop zone (a long lay-by).
So the double-yellows are universally interpreted to mean do not park within the boundary of opposing pairs of yellows, remain outside by getting your wheels gutter-side of the lines with the rest of the vehicle on the pavement.
I’ve been doing some Cycle
I’ve been doing some Cycle Safari on my “commute to / from work” (WFH) recently and one thing that really stands out is the parking:
a) Having to constantly move out out round parked vehicles in cycle lanes, bus lanes, half on the pavement etc. Many are actually “legit” because of limited hours of operation / inconsistent and silly rules about bike lanes.
b) The number of houses with actual drives and garages – sometimes for several vehicles – which have cars outside parked on the road.
This is ignoring dooring / people suddenly pulling away without looking for bikes. Almost makes the cycle infrastructure pointless.
The thing about the cycle
The thing about the cycle slalom video that annoyed me the most was the dpd van reversing on the pavement, then completely blocking it leaving the cyclist to come to a halt. At no point did the driver think he should stop and allow the cyclist past. Perish the thought the driver could reverse into a driveway and let the cyclist pass!
Really annoying.
Really annoying.
Does anyone else wish that when they are confonted by vehicles blocking the way they had Danny MacAskill/Peter Sagan skills so they could just go up and over the car? Imagine the indignant outrage!
I more often wish I had Hulk
I more often wish I had Hulk strength so I could walk along and casually roll them all upside-down into the road.
This looks like a handy tool
This looks like a handy tool for clearing cars and small vans off the pavement.
I get the impression that one
I get the impression that one thing to come out of the pandemic is the massive increase in van traffic due to home deliveries and that many of those van drivers now think that, as a “key worker”, they can park/drive any way they want. In fact, one would think that the vans should now be fitted with blue lights just so that we can all see them, get out of their way and then cheer them as they go, saving the planet with emergency deliveries of Tigger onesies and matching big slippers.
bobbinogs wrote:
Where I live, the road is fairly narrow (1890s mining terraces) so there’s cars and vans parked on both sides with a bit of pavement parking (though reasonably considerate to be fair) and almost zero chance of delivery vans being able to find a space. They just stop in the street, deliver the parcel(s) and hop back in after a minute or so – doesn’t really hold anyone up, well no-one important, anyway.
Its a bit off topic, but I
Its a bit off topic, but I was reading an article about delivery cyclists in the US.
During their recent bit of rain in New York City, a video went viral (apparently – I missed it) of some poor deliveroo rider going through two feet of water and it was all taken as “Wow – key worker going above and beyond…”.
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez then tweeted about it, saying “If its too dangerous because of the weather and you’re advised not to leave your home, why do you think its a good idea to get Deliveroo to bring food to you?”
bobbinogs wrote:
You should phone Nicola Sturgeon, that’s the solution for the Scottish Ambulance service. Mind you, I’d rather be delivered to A&E by a paramedic than thrown over next door’s garden gate and have DPD put a card in A&E’s letterbox saying I’d been left in a safe place.
One the Ilikedyourbike tweet.
One the Ilikedyourbike tweet. TravelSomerset have clarified that their account had technical issues and they were blocked from posting for 24hrs. Everyone was blocked just @Ilikedyourbike
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Pour the tarmac at the top and let it run down?
That Bamford Clough climb
That Bamford Clough climb looks like you’d be leaning soooo far forward just to make sure your front wheel stayed on the road surface…
brooksby wrote:
Yeah, so much so that your back wheel would have very little traction!
Whack on a Brompton-sized
Whack on a Brompton-sized wheel at the front, problem solved! Saddle might need a bit of tweaking though.
Too steep to cycle, “not
Too steep to cycle, “not suitable for motor vehicles” – who *is* meant to use it?
Miller wrote:
Mules.
Miller wrote:
Leaving aside the question of how the tarmac was laid initially (let’s just assume mdavidford is right) the lack of motor vehicles would explain why it’s in such good condition.
A friend rode up this last
A friend rode up this last Thursday he was on an MTB but clearly it is rideable with low enough gears.
OnTheRopes wrote:
Do you happen to know what gear he rode it in (and don’t say baggy shorts and a t-shirt 🙂 )
Steve K wrote:
Ha ha, I don’t but if you really want to know I will be riding with him tomorrow (not up Bamford Clough) and I can ask him if you wish?
It would be interesting to
It would be interesting to know.
I’ll try and remember to ask
I’ll try and remember to ask today, not sure how I will find you again if this thread dissapears but I’ll give it a go.
Steve K wrote:
He rode it on a road bike but with a 34 front x 32 rear sprocket, he held on to a fence post at one point but did ride it all, you need to sit down on the steep section or else the back wheel will just spin and there are a few cobbled gulleys crossing the road.
We rode there for a look today, I went as far as I could actually see the steep bit and its a bit strewn with leaves and sticks I was on 36×28 and there was no way I was going up it, another lad had 36×32 and had a recce and he would have got to the top but put his foot down and no way to get going again.
Definitely rideable with gears that allow you to sit down all the way
Cheers. That doesn’t seem
Cheers. That doesn’t seem particularly low gearing to me.
Society need to change it’s
Society need to change it’s perception of poor parking, so that it’s percieved as what it is; anti-social behaviour. The trouble is that it’s sort of convenient for the majority and only really inconvenient for a minority. My biggest issue though is that it can lead, in albeit relatively rare instances, to other road traffic incidents. Even when this happens nobody is interested in tackling the root cause because they would rather see it as a one off incident and if somebody does point out the problem then the motoring lobby kicks in to overdrive. Perhaps there’s some analogy with gun control in the USA?
*Root cause*
*Root cause*
The trouble with banning pavement parking is that it has become so normalised, that a ban will lead to a crisis in parking space available compared to cars in existence.
It really should have been done years ago. Although it was managed in London where presumably the issue had been sufficiently bad to warrant action, so maybe there is hope.
“But where will my partner
“But where will my partner and I park our cars?”
“You moved into a flat with no parking spaces assigned – where had you intended to park your cars?”
or
“But my car is in my parking space – where will I park the works van?”
“At work?”
Ah but it’s the loss aversion
Ah but it’s the loss aversion / sensitivity to change. “When we moved in we could park there. You’ve taken it away! We’d never have moved there if there wasn’t parking!”
brooksby wrote:
TFTFY
An absolute bugbear of mine;
An absolute bugbear of mine; people parking their works vans outside their homes. It belongs at the work’s depot, not in the road.
Round the corner are 2 horse
Round the corner are 2 horse boxes, wankpanzer and large works van. One will always be on the pavement despite the road only being wide enough for 2 cars. All they are doing is damaging the kerb/pavement.
Where I live, it’s written in
Where I live, it’s written in to the deeds that no marked commercial vehicles are allowed to be parked in the residential areas.
Doesn’t stop the 8 swb Transit (or similar), the 2 Luton type vans, and the 3 LWB high tops that park with their arses over the pavement and totally blocking the footpath.
Many of the families have older kids, so instead of the 1 car per house plus a couple of visitors, there’s now 4 or 5. One 5 bed house has 6 private cars, 2 company cars, 1 car derived van, and two transit sized vans. … All fighting for the same limited number of spaces.
There’s also a caravan, and a boat on a trailer, taking up two parking spaces.
wycombewheeler wrote:
Conversely, if society ends up with less car ownership due to successful active travel initiatives (yeah, right) then the pavement parking issues will largely go away. As it stands, the right-to-park has become so ingrained that people don’t even consider it as a personal issue (i.e. where to store my personal property) and frame it as a wider problem for society/council/government. It most likely doesn’t even occur to most parkers that using the pavement can be a big problem for wheelchair users, pushchairs or even blind peds.
wycombewheeler wrote:
Will it though? The vast majority of the pavement parking I see is entirely avoidable. It’s done for convenience (people can’t be bothered to walk an extra 100m from where they could park not-on-the-pavement) or because people would rather park on the pavement than risk inconveniencing drivers (or, more accurately, risk having their car clipped by drivers trying to squeeze past when there isn’t space).
OnYerBike wrote:
Will it though? The vast majority of the pavement parking I see is entirely avoidable. It’s done for convenience (people can’t be bothered to walk an extra 100m from where they could park not-on-the-pavement) or because people would rather park on the pavement than risk inconveniencing drivers (or, more accurately, risk having their car clipped by drivers trying to squeeze past when there isn’t space).— wycombewheeler
My road is about 2.5 cars wide, so there is parking all down one side, and then bizarrely there is a single yellow line on the opposite side, implying parking there in the evenings is OK, when clearly there is not width to park on both sides simultaeneously. Therefore, pavement parking is de facto encouraged by the local authoity painting the lines in such a way. (should be double yellow)
Most houses have drives full of cars and all space on the none lines side of the road that is not driveway opening is full of cars, such that most evenings there will be 4 or 5 cars parked half on the pavement on the opposite side. Not a case of parking 100m away, more like half a mile.
Root causes are several
1) property prices too high for audlts to move out, so households are no longer two adults with children but parents with adult offspring therefore many cars.
2) first road without residents parking restrictions so people from neighbouring roads store cars on our road (line of 3 cars which have not moved in months, potentially someone trading cars as a business, although I don’t see how profits can be made by storing cars for long periods without selling them)
3) tacit implication by line painting that parking on the pavement is acceptable
4) use of residential road for parking when visiting the town centre
Essentially people arriving home o an evening will often find nowhere to park, other than th pavement, which is currently encouraged
wycombewheeler wrote:
There is of course an obvious compromise. Turn most residential streets into shared spaces. the compromise is that the speed limit would have to be reduced to say 15mph and occasionally a driver might be held up by a pedestrian that walking in “road”.
“Cycle streets”, please!
“Cycle streets“, please! “Shared space” seems to be used for designating “change things without really addressing the issue of motor traffic” or “mix incompatible modes of transport”.
I definitely meant Shared
I definitely meant Shared Space. https://cyclingsolutions.info/shared-space/
Many residential roads are already cul-de-sacs and many that aren’t, that might be being used as rat runs, need to become LTNs to reduce volume of traffic. Actually this article suggests a 10mph speed limit so I did get that wrong.
They allow for cars parked directly outside peoples houses and going forward it would mean that you don’t have to run your charger over the pavement.
Thanks for the link. Very
Thanks for the link. Very much agree with the LTN aspect / reduce volume and speed of traffic. I said “cycle streets” but of course in some cases there also should not even be cycle through-traffic. I think “shared space” really only works if there are barely any cars and they’re not going “through” the place. Not the place to debate it here but I’m anti basically for the same kind of reasons noted e.g. here and here.
I note the linked article – although “pro” the idea – does qualify things e.g. very low speed, limits on motor traffic volume, parking etc. and:
“Blind or seriously visually impaired persons have difficulty getting around in shared space areas, primarily because it feels insecure sharing an area with motor traffic. Guide rails may be installed to resolve the issue.”
IanMK wrote:
One of the key differences between here and the Netherlands (where cycling is a mass activity) is that parking is presumed only where specifically permitted where in the UK it’s the opposite, parking is allowed by default and then we mark the exceptions. (I haven’t links to hand on the legal on this). My street is signed as a “home zone” – nice but as far as I’m aware the sign is almost “decorative”. Even though it has parking bays it still has to be plastered with double yellows / no loading marks etc. everywhere. Those are of course treated as “advisory” although that’s more about enforcement.
There’s an in-depth article here about designing for nicer streets.
IanMK wrote:
Absolutely agreed.
Interesting that this issue manifests itself most in urban areas, where typically proportionally fewer people own cars, almost as many households don’t own cars as do – in London in 2012 54% had access at least one car (TFL)
Also a quick buzz of the internet tells me that only 25% of UK cars are parked on street, although this is likely to be higher in urban areas. (RAC)
It might be easier than first appears (although not denying that the task would be tall) to get that idea across.
Agreed – socially acceptable
Agreed – socially acceptable – indeed “invisible” until you can’t park, or someone has parked where it’s inconvenient to you. Problem is just the space occupied vs. amount of use. In 2012 the RAC themselves calculated that cars spend 96% of their time parked. Now we’re more often working from home (so don’t commute as much and don’t need space at home and work) there’s maybe an opportunity to re-examine this?
Hi @Road_cc
Hi @Road_cc
Re the “Southern Test Valleys LCWIP”, there have actually been 5 released:
Eastliegh
Gosport
Fareham
Havant
Southern Test Valley
The Gosport & Fareham LCWIP map is attached for example..
Full details are here:
https://hampshirelcwips.commonplace.is/
Currently working to combine this with the East Hants and Portsmouth LCWIP’s to put together the full strategic network into a single map.
We urge anyone local to get involved, and if possible, reach out to the following groups and offer your assistance!
Local Campaign Groups covering it:
Walk Ride Waterlooville (www.walkRideWaterlooville.org.uk)
Cycle Havant, (www.facebook.com/CycleHavant)
Cycle Hayling (www.cyclehayling.org.uk)
Cycle Gosport (www.facebook.com/CycleGosport)
Fareham – TBD
Eastleigh – TBD
Tim
Member, Cycle Hampshire.
Went past some students in my
Went past some students in my full red Saeco 2002 kit (Mario C) and one shouted out ‘Yes, Bradley Wiggins!’ I didn’t stop to correct him. Perhaps he thought it was a Cofidis kit.
Quote:
Which is nice. But why are you flagging up a six-week-old article?
Has something been updated on it? Or did you maybe mean to link to this one?
https://road.cc/content/news/cycling-uk-secures-judicial-review-over-w-sussex-bike-lane-286431
Re. mixed messages – it’s
Re. mixed messages – it’s perfectly simple – you’re only allowed to ride tiny bicycles to the right, and not to the left.
(Normal sized bicycles are presumably fine in either direction.)
So “Test Valley” “would like
So “Test Valley” “would like to improve walking and cycling facilities and networks”
Instead of an expensive public consulation, how about a bit of maintenance on your existing facilities? A rather inadequate 1 metre wide shared use path alongside Rownhams Late, is now less than 30cm wide due to encroaching vegetation. Meet a pedestrian or pass another cyclist and you are both in the stinging nettles.
Just seen Tom Sorensen has
Just seen Tom Sorensen has died after being hit by a driver
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cycling/58612748