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2021 SRAM Rival eTap AXS groupset – rear disc brake 1.jpg
2021 SRAM Rival eTap AXS groupset - rear disc brake 1 (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)

Disc-ussion and debate continues over which brake is best but should it all stop here?; Red Bull Timelaps is back; Chris Froome’s epic in the Alps; Relatable Danish ad; Famous cycling faces invest in alcohol-free beer; New Tour kit + more on the live blog

It’s Wednesday and Dan Alexander is back on the live blog nursing some slightly worse for wear legs after a couple days in Scotland
  • by Dan Alexander
Wed, Jun 16, 2021 08:04
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SUMMARY

  • Danish broadcaster TV2 releases relatable Tour de France advert that has us all dreaming of a last minute call up
  • Londoners ditch 'green' transport during the pandemic in favour of more car journeys, according to TfL data...but cycling figures are up
  • Once the great American hope...Tejay van Garderen to retire after US National Championships this weekend
  • Chris Froome continues Tour de France prep with 5,161m of climbing on 237km epic ride in the Alps
  • Danny MacAskill, Dan Martin and Zwift founder Eric Min invest in alcohol-free beer company
  • Get Dom to Le Tour
  • Jeremy Vines takes us on a tour of the dangers of cycling down Oxford Street
  • Reaction to 8 reasons not to get disc brakes (spoiler alert... it got pretty lively)
  • Disappointed Pascal Ackermann accuses Bora-Hansgrohe team boss of breaking promises over Tour de France omission
  • Red Bull Timelaps returns for 2021 with indoor and outdoor races
  • Yves Lampaert crowned Belgian national time trial champion, Remco Evenepoel second
  • ASO requires everyone in Tour de France bubble to download tracking app
  • Cycling limbs...did Yves Lampaert win or have Belgium scored?
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2021 SRAM Rival eTap AXS groupset - rear disc brake 1 (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)
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16 June 2021, 08:04

Danish broadcaster TV2 releases relatable Tour de France advert that has us all dreaming of a last minute call up

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It’s coming… 🇫🇷
⠀ pic.twitter.com/Bi4Q6HNSgK

— ⓑιcιcletⓞ (@Bicicleto_ZGZ) June 15, 2021

As we all know, there is so much more to cycling than shaving your legs, wearing aero kit and looking ‘pro’, but some of us enjoy that side of our favourite pass time too…something Danish broadcaster TV2 has captured brilliantly in its Tour de France ad. Those early summer rides when even you have to wonder if this is your year for a chance meeting with Dave Brailsford, who will be so impressed by your pace that he’ll draft you in as a late call up to Ineos Grenadiers’ mountain train…then you hit your fairly mild local hill and remember exactly why that has never happened before.

If nothing else the ad has had a better reception than their compatriots at the Road Safety Council got after releasing a Viking-inspired helmet safety public service announcement that starred on the live blog last week…

Amazing, and scarily relatable 😂

— J McC (@TorontoJMcC) June 15, 2021

By far the best I’ve seen in a while

— Pablo (@swimpablorun) June 15, 2021

16 June 2021, 08:04

Londoners ditch 'green' transport during the pandemic in favour of more car journeys, according to TfL data...but cycling figures are up

London traffic © Jank1000 | Dreamstime.com
London traffic © Jank1000 | Dreamstime (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)
London traffic © Jank1000 | Dreamstime.com
London traffic © Jank1000 | Dreamstime (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)

New Transport for London data shows the number of journeys walked, cycled or made by public transport dropped from 63 per cent to 57 per cent during the pandemic. While the initial figures might seem disheartening, it is believed the drop is largely due to a huge fall in Tube and bus passengers. 

“It does emphasise our recent concerns about a car-led recovery,” Alex Williams, TfL’s director of city planning told the Evening Standard. Figures to the end of March 2021 showed that cycling in inner and outer London is up between five and 20 per cent. A 25 per cent reduction in weekday cycling in central London has been attributed to more people working from home.

The report said: “This reflects the strong relative performance of cycling as a flexible mode increasingly being used for personal business and leisure trips, offsetting a fall in commuter cycling because of the pandemic.”

16 June 2021, 08:04

Once the great American hope...Tejay van Garderen to retire after US National Championships this weekend

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Tejay van Garderen (CC licensed by Dave Strom via Flickr) (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)
Tejay van Garderen (CC licensed by Dave Strom via Flickr).jpg
Tejay van Garderen (CC licensed by Dave Strom via Flickr) (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)

Tejay van Garderen, who finished fifth at the Tour de France in 2012 and 2014, will retire aged 32 after this weekend’s US Pro Road National Championships. Van Garderen was touted as a future Grand Tour winner during his early career and achieved impressive results during his spell with BMC, finishing second at the Critérium du Dauphiné twice and winning a stage of the Giro.

“The honest truth is that I don’t feel super effective as a bike racer anymore,” Van Garderen said. “Once your ability starts to be less than it was, you have to find a way to make yourself effective. I was really motivated by the rise of Hugh Carthy, and I wanted to be able to mentor him and help him. I said, ‘Okay, I’m still a good climber. Maybe I can stay with him in the high mountains and give him support.’ But the truth is I wasn’t able to just climb into a group of the 20 best anymore.”

16 June 2021, 08:04

Chris Froome continues Tour de France prep with 5,161m of climbing on 237km epic ride in the Alps

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Chris Froome Strava (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)
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Chris Froome Strava (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)

Whatever you make of Chris Froome’s comeback and the news yesterday that the four-time winner is in Israel Start-Up Nation’s Tour de France team, you can’t deny he is putting in the graft. Along with three of his teammates Froome went for an epic 237km ride in the Alps, climbing 5,161m of elevation at an average speed of over 27.3km/h…he even nabbed a Strava cup with the sixth fastest time up the second category Montée de Cohennoz depuis l’Isle.

Last week, Froome did a 220km Tour de France recon before opting to jump back on his bike for another 50km back to the hotel…will all this hard work pay off next month?

It seems Froome has learned from his scandalous behaviour last summer when he triggered eagle-eyed Strava followers by ending his ride on 99.4 miles…just go around the block, Chris…

I guess smashing 147 miles is one way to avoid that problem…

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Chris Froome Strava (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)
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Chris Froome Strava (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)

 

16 June 2021, 08:04

Danny MacAskill, Dan Martin and Zwift founder Eric Min invest in alcohol-free beer company

Danny MacAskill descending
Danny MacAskill descending (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)
Danny MacAskill descending
Danny MacAskill descending (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)

Famous names from across the cycling world have invested in an alcohol-free beer company. Legendary mountain biker Danny MacAskill, Dan Martin, Zwift founder Eric Min and mountain bikers Greg Minnaar and Loic Bruni have invested in Big Drop Brewing Co. Daily Business Group reports the alcohol-free beer company’s revenue has soared by 150 per cent over the last year as sales in the low-alcohol drinks sector rose by 50 per cent during the same period.

The famous cycling investors input has come via Rubix Ventures, an investment firm backed by athletes and company owners. Big Drop was launched in 2016 by Rob Fink and James Kindred who wanted to produce alcohol-free craft beer that tasted as good as the real thing. It now brews in the UK, Australia, Canada and the US and is available in more than 20 countries…perfect for when Dan Martin wins a stage of the Tour…

16 June 2021, 08:04

Get Dom to Le Tour

Tour De France, What You Saying!? @LeTour pic.twitter.com/jODJtavoKd

— Domonic (@domwhiting) June 16, 2021

16 June 2021, 08:04

Jeremy Vines takes us on a tour of the dangers of cycling down Oxford Street

Nice to see the new Oxford Street cycle lane is coming along pic.twitter.com/frk3gYizUd

— Jeremy Vine (@theJeremyVine) June 16, 2021

16 June 2021, 08:04

Reaction to 8 reasons not to get disc brakes (spoiler alert... it got pretty lively)

Saying anything about disc brakes, positive or negative, seems to attract a queue of people ready to tell you how and why you’re wrong. So we should not have been too surprised to get the reaction we did to 8 reasons not to get disc brakes — find out the hassles before you switch. Cue the comments…

Plenty of people have happily had no such issues using discs…David Wilkins wrote: “Had rim brakes for 15 years, had disc brakes for last 7 months. Will never go back. Braking power and little to no noise on my SRAM Reds. Love disc brakes and I descend some steep hills with ease now.”

On a similar note, Soeren Kuehling said: “Never any problem with disc brakes, using them for years now, replace pads when gone (happens maybe after 5000km in my case). It feels safe racing downhill, can’t say the same about rim brakes on my single speed bike.”

Steven Hepworth was feeling articulate: “What hassles? I’ve been using disc brakes for years on mountain bikes, long before anyone thought of putting them on road bikes, and, especially these days, they hardly throw up any problems at all! Mega easy to change, and they actually stop you when it’s wet. Unlike rim brakes. Sure that add a little more weight to the bike, but I’ll just make sure I’ve had a good poo before I go out, to offset that weight!” I should have eaten my lunch before writing this…

Although these three did not sum up everyone’s thoughts on disc brakes…

Bill Jones is not convinced: “Here we go again, all the disc brake fanatics denying their highly flawed brakes are not as good as rim brakes. Even Chris Froome said discs are rubbish after being forced to use them. I have never had a problem with rim brakes and have used them to descend the highest hill in the UK in the wet. I have used discs and found them to be useless and require constant maintenance. Had a disc brake overheat and fail on a short descent, found discs don’t work when wet and disc pads have an alarming wear rate.”

Under our article, NZ Vegan Rider commented: “Disc brakes – unnecessary hassle with virtually little improvement in braking in the wet. I have a hydraulic disc brake winter bike. It would be fine if it was rim braked like my other bikes.”

I’ll leave you with Graham Leather…”What is the saying, disc brakes are for deciding where you want to stop, rim brakes are for deciding where you want to crash.”

Agree? Disagree? Couldn’t care less? 

16 June 2021, 08:04

Disappointed Pascal Ackermann accuses Bora-Hansgrohe team boss of breaking promises over Tour de France omission

Giro d'Italia 2019 Stage 10 - Pascal Ackermann signs on (picture RCS Sport, LaPresse)
Giro d'Italia 2019 Stage 10 - Pascal Ackermann signs on (picture RCS Sport, LaPresse) (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)
Giro d'Italia 2019 Stage 10 - Pascal Ackermann signs on (picture RCS Sport, LaPresse)
Giro d'Italia 2019 Stage 10 – Pascal Ackermann signs on (picture RCS Sport, LaPresse) (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)

Bora-Hansgrohe sprinter Pascal Ackermann has accused his team boss Ralph Denk of breaking promises after he was omitted from the team’s squad for the Tour de France. Ackermann was expected to go alongside Peter Sagan as a second sprint option, however the team insisted the German was not up to the level necessary to be selected.

“I’m more than disappointed,” Ackermann told German outlet Radsport News. “Ralph was always a man who kept his word. But this time he definitely didn’t do it. It was said that I would be doing the Tour for three years, and it was always the case that I shouldn’t worry about it. Without this promise, I would not have signed the contract back then. You have to see that too. That’s why I am extremely disappointed.”

Elsewhere in Tour de France news, Total Direct Energie have a new kit…perhaps it will grow on me…

Un maillot aux couleurs lumineuses représentant le chemin des énergies qu’emprunte notre partenaire majeur @TotalEnergies 👌 #AllezTotalEnergies⚡ pic.twitter.com/0mvuRorpJ6

— Team TotalEnergies (@TDE_ProCycling) June 16, 2021

16 June 2021, 08:04

Red Bull Timelaps returns for 2021 with indoor and outdoor races

Red Bull Timelaps
Red Bull Timelaps (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)
Red Bull Timelaps
Red Bull Timelaps (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)

Red Bull Timelaps is back this year with a new indoor race to give riders more flexibility in how they participate in ‘the world’s longest one-day bike race’. On the weekend of 30-31 October riders and teams of cyclists will ride to see who can complete the furthest distance over 25 hours. 

New for 2021 is the virtual/indoor category which follows on from the 2020 event. This will allow teams of riders to ride the event on an indoor turbo-trainer set up, compete against other teams outdoors, or do both, with separate race categories available based on a team’s preferred choice of getting involved. The In-person venues will be the Goodwood Motor Circuit and Red Bull Studios in London and entries are open on a first come first served basis at redbull.co.uk/timelaps.

And…for any of you feeling particularly hard there’s a solo category to see who can ride the furthest on their own in 25 hours. Anyone can take part from home too by logging their distance on Strava which will create live leaderboards during the event and allow riders to track their positions.

16 June 2021, 08:04

Yves Lampaert crowned Belgian national time trial champion, Remco Evenepoel second

An unforgettable day for @yveslampaert, who crowns himself Belgian ITT Champion for the second time in his career after a superb performance in front of his home crowd, at #BKIngelmunster! pic.twitter.com/kQeX1rAlS1

— Deceuninck-QuickStep (@deceuninck_qst) June 16, 2021

Yves Lampaert beat Deceuninck-Quick-Step teammate Remco Evenepoel and Victor Campanaerts to win the Belgian national champs this afternoon. Riding in front of his home crowd at Ingelmunster, Lampaert won by 20 seconds from Evenepoel who was in turn 21 seconds faster than Campanaerts. Lotte Kopecky won the women’s race, while over the border in the Netherlands, Anna van der Breggen added another national title to her impressive palmares. 

16 June 2021, 08:04

ASO requires everyone in Tour de France bubble to download tracking app

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Tour de France logo (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)
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Tour de France logo (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)

The organisers of the Tour de France, ASO, will require everyone in the race’s bubble to download a tracking app. TousAntiCovid uses bluetooth to track who people have come in to contact with for more than five minutes and therefore trace possible contacts if someone on the race tests positive. Riders and media will also be kept in seperate bubbles and there will be no interviews outside of mixed zones at the start and finish of each stage

16 June 2021, 08:04

Cycling limbs...did Yves Lampaert win or have Belgium scored?

Goosebumps 🤗 pic.twitter.com/d7HIDAKxKM

— Deceuninck-QuickStep (@deceuninck_qst) June 16, 2021

There have been a few scenes like these popping up on social media this week…but none from a cycling race. Yves Lampaert got the full Euro 2020 treatment after winning his second national time trial championship.

16 June 2021, 08:04

Zwift announces celebrity line up for Olympic Virtual Series Chase Race live this Friday

Zwift announces celebrity line up for Olympic Virtual Series Chase Race live this Friday

The event will see Olympic medal winners including Sir Chris Hoy and Fabian Cancellara up against each other as well other celebrities such as sportiest Spice Girl, Mel C

16 June 2021, 08:04

Zwift announces celebrity line up for Olympic Virtual Series Chase Race live this Friday

Zwift announces celebrity line up for Olympic Virtual Series Chase Race live this Friday

The event will see Olympic medal winners including Sir Chris Hoy and Fabian Cancellara up against each other as well other celebrities such as sportiest Spice Girl, Mel C

16 June 2021, 08:04

Police investigate as London cyclist killed after crashing into car door

Police investigate as London cyclist killed after crashing into car door

Victim, a woman aged 65, died in hospital two days after incident in Haringey in late May

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Dan is the road.cc news editor and joined in 2020 having previously written about nearly every other sport under the sun for the Express, and the weird and wonderful world of non-league football for The Non-League Paper. Dan has been at road.cc for four years and mainly writes news and tech articles as well as the occasional feature. He has hopefully kept you entertained on the live blog too. Never fast enough to take things on the bike too seriously, when he’s not working you’ll find him exploring the south of England by two wheels at a leisurely weekend pace, or enjoying his favourite Scottish roads when visiting family. Sometimes he’ll even load up the bags and ride up the whole way, he’s a bit strange like that.  

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  1. Compact Corned Beef
    June 16, 2021 at 9:09 am
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    That TdF ad is absolutely

    That TdF ad is absolutely glorious. I’m going to wear some old team kit on my next leisure ride now. MAMILs ahoy!

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  2. Biggie Smells
    June 16, 2021 at 10:48 am
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    Very jealous of Froome. Haute

    Very jealous of Froome. Haute-Savoie is hands down the nicest part of France and easily the best climbing (and in many cases the hardest) in all of the Alps. 

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    • captain_slog
      June 16, 2021 at 1:05 pm
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      If you get home and you’ve

      If you get home and you’ve only done 99.4 miles it’s easy enough to go once more round the block. But what if you find you’ve only climbed 4,994m? I guess you’d have to take the Garmin up and down the stairs a few times before you saved the ride. (These are not problems I encounter often.)

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      • mdavidford
        June 16, 2021 at 4:07 pm
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        captain_slog wrote:

        If you get home and you’ve only done 99.4 miles it’s easy enough to go once more round the block. But what if you find you’ve only climbed 4,994m?

        — captain_slog

        I’d change my settings back to feet.

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        • wycombewheeler
          June 16, 2021 at 4:32 pm
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          mdavidford wrote:

          If you get home and you’ve only done 99.4 miles it’s easy enough to go once more round the block. But what if you find you’ve only climbed 4,994m?

          — mdavidford

          I’d change my settings back to feet.

          — captain_slog

          Im sure the MP for 1850 and father of the house Jacob Rees-Mogg would approve. 

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        • SecretSam
          June 17, 2021 at 8:01 am
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          …on your abacus?

          …on your abacus?

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  3. Steve K
    June 16, 2021 at 11:39 am
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    Big Drop have already done a

    Big Drop have already done a collaboration with cycling brand Paria – a limited edition beer and a jersey.  https://shop.bigdropbrew.com/products/paria-collab-tailwind

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  4. wtjs
    June 16, 2021 at 1:26 pm
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    you can’t deny he is putting

    you can’t deny he is putting in the graft

    Yes! Very good luck to him even if he is really Kenyan. I’m still hoping for Geraint: 100% UK!

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    • Organon
      June 16, 2021 at 8:38 pm
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      Two Monégasques, accents aren

      Two Monégasques, accents aren’t important, darling.

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  5. peted76
    June 16, 2021 at 2:20 pm
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    Aww that’s nice.. Total

    Aww that’s nice.. Total Direct Energie let primary school kids design their kit. Very much on point re pride month too! (Or will pride month be over once the tour starts..?)

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  6. Ctulhu
    June 16, 2021 at 3:15 pm
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    Mr. Froome: 237km – 5.161m

    Mr. Froome: 237km – 5.161m elevation – 27.3kmh avg speed.

    Fiona Kolbinger: 428km – 5.042m elevation – 30.5kmh avg speed.

    I think there is something that I can’t understand.

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    • andystow
      June 16, 2021 at 3:19 pm
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      That was probably a base

      That was probably a base mileage / low effort ride for Froome.

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      • wycombewheeler
        June 16, 2021 at 4:31 pm
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        also more climbing per km,

        also more climbing per km, although neither ride qualifies as flat

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    • hawkinspeter
      June 16, 2021 at 6:24 pm
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      Ctulhu wrote:

      Mr. Froome: 237km – 5.161m elevation – 27.3kmh avg speed.

      Fiona Kolbinger: 428km – 5.042m elevation – 30.5kmh avg speed.

      I think there is something that I can’t understand.

      — Ctulhu

      Probably unnatural angles and eldritch dimensions – I’d’ve thought that would be right up your street

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      • Compact Corned Beef
        June 17, 2021 at 8:13 am
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        I start babbling about

        I start babbling about horrifying, unnatural angles at about 15%.

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  7. David9694
    June 16, 2021 at 6:34 pm
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    Streetscape judicial review –

    Streetscape judicial review – sounds like TfL have won the appeal case.

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  8. Global Nomad
    June 17, 2021 at 6:47 am
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    not sure why road.cc feels

    not sure why road.cc feels the need to continue the divisive and binary debate about brakes. A well adjusted and maintained brake is better than a poorly adjusted brake. And all brakes require the user to understand how to use them and the limits of the equipment and the operator. context and conditions play a huge part. full stop. 

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  9. Global Nomad
    June 17, 2021 at 6:47 am
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    love the tv ad…can imagine

    love the tv ad…can imagine they could use a similar strategy for many sports… the upcoming olympics…or even getting back to commuting after a year…..

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    • Captain Badger
      June 17, 2021 at 6:52 am
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      Global Nomad wrote:

      love the tv ad…can imagine they could use a similar strategy for many sports… the upcoming olympics…or even getting back to commuting after a year…..

      — Global Nomad

      I loved it too. Treating sport with humour,a sense of the ridiculous, and without pomposity. Football, looking at you…..

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  10. SecretSam
    June 17, 2021 at 7:59 am
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    The disc-brake article was

    The disc-brake article was ridiculous clickbait. Half of the ‘issues’ can also apply to rim brakes, the rest were hardly major. As for weight…there is already good evidence that weight doesn’t matter as much as we thought.

    And the debate is over. Disc won.

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    • wycombewheeler
      June 17, 2021 at 10:34 am
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      SecretSam wrote:

      .. evidence that weight doesn’t matter as much as we thought.

      — SecretSam

      you mean I can take two bidons on a long ride?

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    • Velophaart_95
      June 17, 2021 at 11:05 am
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      I don’t see MTB-ers having

      I don’t see MTB-ers having this discussion – they work, that’s it!! Move on…Road cycling seems to attract technophobes, whereas MTB is far more willing to embrace it…..

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jackcycles 3 hours ago

The problem with roadcc's coverage of Nick Freeman is that it's focusing too much on his controversial hot takes, rather than the well-known work he's done road safety campaigning. For balance, Nick has been very vocal recently on the dangers posed by electric cars for cyclists and pedestrians, writing (on X): "Pedestrians, cyclists and other vulnerable road users often rely on hearing an approaching vehicle. That’s why I believe EVs should emit synthesised warning sounds at all speeds, not just low speeds. Road safety must always come first." I think we can all unite around that sentiment rather than the more divisive number plates argument which I disagree with. Nick thinks that "accountability" comes with identifiability. I agree to some extent, but you have to balance the risks posed by a form of transport with the loss of freedom and increase in state power resulting in having mandatory identity numbers. Cycling doesn't even come close.

in: “This is exactly why cyclists should have number plates,” says Mr Loophole – after “arrogant” cyclist fined £1,200 for squeezing between cars (while riding without a licence plate); Cyclist in outside lane of 70mph dual carriageway + more on the live blog
Xenophon2 6 hours ago

@HarrogateSpa : Exactly. Clickbait articles such as this to keep the advertisers happy.

in: “This is exactly why cyclists should have number plates,” says Mr Loophole – after “arrogant” cyclist fined £1,200 for squeezing between cars (while riding without a licence plate); Cyclist in outside lane of 70mph dual carriageway + more on the live blog
chrisonabike 6 hours ago

@hawkinspeter Hmm... while there is sensible stuff in there it's even better where the design and human nature carries more of the weight than rules or guidance. Speed limits being one; if it was just on the rules that would be a lesser way of ensuring safety than the road / space design. (Of course just changing a number on a sign *does* work to some extent, presumably in part via the "anchoring" effect and "when in Rome"). I'm thinking more of what we have in eg. UK motorway-design-level thought and applying that *. One example would be the Dutch taking the observation that a certain fraction of people will make dangerous overtake no matter the rules, paint or even considerations of their own safety and a muffed overtake can have very severe consequences ... and then simply banning overtaking on some classes of roads (and even bringing in physical barriers some places). Hey presto - a whole class of problems they don't have! (It's not perfect of course, lots of legacy roads there). * Only some classes of vehicles allowed, everyone going the same direction with no crossing traffic or stopping / parking, rumble strips at edges, energy absorbing crash barriers, curved layout to stop people falling asleep...

in: Sometimes, cyclists can be a**eholes too — and it’s OK to say that
ktache 7 hours ago

I liked his graphs.

in: Sometimes, cyclists can be a**eholes too — and it’s OK to say that
Rendel Harris 7 hours ago

And yet not three weeks ago you were actively canvassing likes. Good liars need good memories, Nigel.

in: Sometimes, cyclists can be a**eholes too — and it’s OK to say that
hawkinspeter 8 hours ago

@chrisonabike - the Highway Code is a good example of fool-tolerant rules. The emphasis is on how to minimise causing danger to others, but also avoiding collisions even if the other road users are being arseholes (e.g. not running over cyclists even if they're blatantly cycling on the wrong side of the road)

in: Sometimes, cyclists can be a**eholes too — and it’s OK to say that
jackcycles 8 hours ago

Bless you, I didn't realise you place your self-worth on the number of likes you receive on an internet forum. I've never yearned for the approval of others, I'm just satisfied in the knowledge that I've constructed a coherent and noteworthy post. The best one I've done so far was the one I gave with your pipe, ale and suggestion to move to my leafy cul de sac. I have to admit I cheekily read it back to myself a few times and chuckled *every single time*!

in: Sometimes, cyclists can be a**eholes too — and it’s OK to say that
chrisonabike 8 hours ago

Yeah, I think you're right, it did get a bit more "oh yeah? Well what about this?!" latterly. There's a lot more polarising going on. I blame myself. And the unicyclists.

in: Sometimes, cyclists can be a**eholes too — and it’s OK to say that
mdavidford 8 hours ago

"They want us all locked in our homes...!" "Not all, only some..."

in: Sometimes, cyclists can be a**eholes too — and it’s OK to say that
chrisonabike 8 hours ago

@hawkinspeter fool-tolerant design? Fool-foiling designs sound better but they tend to have unfortunate side-effects - at least when combined with human nature *. "Sustainable Safety" - design expecting mistakes and some rule-breaking eg. corner-cutting - but be *forgiving*. That means while *feedback* is provided (see adverse camber, slightly uneven driving surface etc) favour "everyone gets to their destination safely" over "the rules must be respected even at risk of collateral damage!" The penalty for failure shouldn't be serious injury or death. * Few want to be thought a fool and some may prove it if they believe that assumption was made.

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