“I’m angry with myself”: Mohoric regrets not learning more about sportswashing at World Championships; More races threatened by Israel-Premier Tech’s participation; Brit Hudson wins junior Worlds; + more on the live blog
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"A special kind of person goes to Africa and supports someone OK with racism and slavery", York adds to criticism of Dygert's Charlie Kirk sticker
It’s the story that won’t go away, but the internet seems to be still rumbling with discourse surrounding Chloe Dygert’s sticker attached to her Time Trial bike.
Kirk, a die-hard Donald Trump supporter famous among young people, was killed at a university in Utah where he was taking part in a debate with students. His death was widely condemned as an act of escalating political violence.
But Dygert’s sticker expressed support for Kirk’s ideas, putting herself into the murky position of mixing politics and sport.
Pippa York is maybe the most well-known profile on this side of the cycling world to have spoken up about it…
Citing reporting from Yahoo, York notes that Kirk defended an American pastor who considered slavery ‘godly’ and likened it as an institution to marriage and parenthood. Not exactly what you might consider palatable.
In the middle of all this is the UCI and its code of sporting neutrality that has been used to condemn pro-Palestinian protestors at the Vuelta, but also so far refrain from commenting on Dygert’s overtly political statement. It’s also not the first time she’s been caught in hot water over this sort of thing.
Maybe the UCI will wait until after the championships to avoid distracting from the road races this weekend, maybe Dygert will have another provocative sticker on her frame when she lines up tomorrow. Maybe, as is too often the case with cycling’s governing body, we will just have to wait and see.
"Being Robert Millar couldn’t compensate for who I wasn’t."
Speaking of Pippa York, my colleague Ryan Mallon has done a fantastic interview for the road.cc podcast with both her and Sunday Times journalist David Walsh as they release their new book.
Part memoir, part travelogue, it dives into covering the Tour de France but also tackles York’s relationship with journalists, her coming to terms with gender dysphoria and the public perceptions of her as Robert Millar, for decades Britain’s most successful cyclist. And still, according to Walsh, Britain’s best climber.
Read or listen below:
Brit Harry Hudson wins junior World Championships
I was going to save all my World Championship talk for this afternoon but events have overtaken! Because we have a new British World Champion!
18-year-old Harry Hudson attacked from a reduced peloton with 36km and two and a half hilly laps remaining and never looked back, winning solo ahead of chasers Johan Blanc and Jan Jackowiak to become Britain’s first ever World Champion in the men’s junior road race. It was an incredibly strong showing from the British squad with Max Hinds and Matthew Peace leading the reduced bunch behind to finish 4th and 5th.
Immediately after his victory, Lidl-Trek announced that Harry will be joing their Future Racing development team, following the path of compatriot Seb Grindley who finished second in this race last year. The future is bright, and look who was on hand to congratulate him…
Updated: thanks to the friendly comment reminding us that British women have been decidedly more successful in the junior ranks than the men, with Cat Ferguson winning the TT – Road Race double in Zurich last year!
Santander renews London hire bike sponsorship to 2032, pledges further investment
For all the talk of Lime bike use surging across the capital when tube strikes hit the London Underground a couple of weeks ago, the official TfL hire bikes, Santander Cycles, are also still going pretty strong, with their use up 3% on last year.
That’s enough for the Spanish bank to renew their sponsorship of the city’s official hire bikes to 2032. And at the same time, they’ve announced plans to install 6 new docking stations in Camden, Brixton, City Island, Hackney, Westminster and the City of London along with plans to upgrade the app.
Once known as ‘Boris bikes’, the hire scheme was first proposed by former mayor Ken Livingstone before being rolled out in 2010 when Boris Johnson was London’s mayor. They’ve been sponsored by Santander since 2015 and today comprise 12,000 bicycles including 2000 e-bikes. According to Santander, more than 6.1 million journeys have been made on the bikes so far this year.
"Perfectly legal and carefully controlled": Cycling club defends dual carriageway time trials after rider knocked unconscious in fall
> Cycling club defends dual carriageway time trials after rider knocked unconscious in fall
Lachlan Morton excited for Yorkshire's "gnarly" Three Peaks Cyclocross
Remember when we said ultra-cyclist extraordinaire Lachlan Morton was heading to Yorkshire? Well now he’s here!
The Aussie is here bracing for the Three Peaks Cyclocross race over 61km and three iconic fells.
“It’s a very unique and interesting course in a really special part of the world,” says Morton, who previously finished 4th in 2019. “If you’re not pinned on the rev limiter at Three Peaks, you’re bouncing down some hill. It was gnarly. It was the most unique event I think I have ever done on a bike.”
For a rider whose travelled the world, he also seems smitten for quaintness of the British cycling scene. “Yorkshire is incredibly beautiful, there is a lot of history here and a way of life that is very appealing. Spending time out on the bike here is a gift.”
“Of all the cycling scenes, the British cycling scene has the most niche elements. It is just people following their passion for bike riding and finding groups to do it with.
“The UK has emerged as a major competitive cycling nation, but I think the grassroots level are most interesting to me and more fun to compete in. It is cool to throw yourself into something you are probably not that good at.”
I guess we’ll only know by Sunday night how good Morton actually is.
"Stop tinkering with pleasantries": Reform councillor tells council to swap Peak District cycling and walking routes for major railway investment
From the Dales to the Peaks now, where a Reform UK councillor used a meeting on public transport funding to complain about the distraction that is walking and cycling in the Peak District.
“We need to make Britain great once again.” David Harvey said. “We need to be at the forefront of developing, engineering, manufacturing, technology, that is what we are really good at and we must bring this back.
“It is all very well having cycling and walking paths through the Peak District…but we must have a focus on growing the economy.”
You can read more of what he has to say below:
Mount fix on the move at the u23 men's Road Race
On-the-go mechanics 👀 Jakob Omrzel fixes his out-front mount mid-race in the Men’s U23 Road Race — now safely back in the peloton! 👏 pic.twitter.com/SpWFeW0kz3
— Cycling on TNT Sports (@cyclingontnt) September 26, 2025
Feel like this is the sort of thing we don’t see on the famous Roubaix pavé but the Côte de Kimihurura’s cobbles present equipment difficulties as well as physical!
This one simple trick will save weight on your bike and leave engineers astonished!
A guten tag and shock-faced emoji to Lorenz in Germany now who has sent us this image of a rather…shaven handlebar received from a customer at his bike shop.
“Forget pipe cutters!” he writes. “If your handlebars are too wide just attach the wheels to your towbar rack, leave out the frame clamp and drag your 5k E-Bike behind your caravan until some fellow driver tells you that your handlebars are maybe narrow enough already.”
The German sense of humour continues to exceed expectations.
Worlds Road Race preview: Up in the Air!
Tomorrow will see the women take centre stage on a 164km course comprising 11 laps of a hilly Kigali circuit 1500-odd metres above sea level. One rider talking up her chances is Mauritian Kim Le Court, bidding to become the first African woman to win and at the first ever elite Worlds in Africa. 2025 has been a breakout year for Le Court having won a stage and worn the yellow jersey at the Tour de France Femmes. She also won Liege-Bastogne-Liege on a parcourse very similar to this.
Her big rivals will be those who eventually beat her at the Tour de France, with champion Pauline Ferrand-Prevot top of many fans’ minds alongside former Tour winners Demi Vollering and Kasia Niewiadoma. Also there are former World Champion Anna van der Breggen, two-time reigning Giro champion Elisa Longo Borghini, and newly crowned Time Trial champion Marlen Reusser. The Swiss rider has had her best season yet, crushing the field in the TT and winning or podiuming every stage race she’s finished this year.
The men’s route is 268km long and contains two circuits separated by a detour after 140km to climb Mount Kigali, the longest climb of the race. Whilst moves from the peloton are not impossible, still more than 100km from the finish might mean riders trying to keep their power dry considering all the cobbled climbing that remains once they rejoin the extended circuit for a further five laps. With riders at risk of being lapped, expect a very low number of finishers by the end.
As to the favourites, anyone not mentioning Tadej Pogacar is a fool, even if he did suffer in the Time Trial last weekend. He is the defending champion, the reigning Tour de France and Tour of Flanders champion. Remember when I said riders probably won’t want to attack with 100km to go? That’s when he made his move last year, joining first the breakaway and then his trade teammate Pavel Sivakov before eventually going solo and winning almost at a canter. Besides his reputation, he has the most teammates of any country, his eight Slovenian compatriots include Mohoric, Domen Novak and five time Grand Tour winner Primoz Roglic. The expectation is on him.
Other contenders include Pogacar’s UAE teammates Isaac Del Toro, Juan Ayuso, and Jay Vine. Double Olympic Champion Remco Evenepoel, fresh off his barnstorming ride in the TT last weekend is also a contender along with former two-time World Champion Julian Alaphilippe, fresh from taking victory at the GP Quebec two weeks ago.
Great Britain have an eight-strong team co-led by Oscar Onley and Tom Pidcock. Before the Vuelta a Espana, Onley would have been favoured due to the amount of climbing in the race but Pidcock’s surprise third-place in Spain has raised expectations for his potential. Ever honest in his feelings, Pidcock admitted to TNT Sports that he hadn’t trained properly off the back of the Spanish Grand Tour but said “I think with this amount of climb it suits me. With this cobbled climb, it’s like the [Oude] Kwarermont [in the Tour of Flanders]. It’s the perfect Tadej climb.”
I would be hard pressed to disagree.
Giro dell'Emilia under threat due to Israel-Premier Tech's participation
A rumoured name change for Israel-Premier Tech clearly can’t come soon enough for some race organisers, with the one-day Giro dell’Emilia the latest to express concerns for possible disruption due to the team’s participation.
“We cannot accept that a team with links to the Israeli government takes part in the Giro dell’Emilia,” Bologna city councillor, and member for sport, Roberta Li Calzi told La Gazzetta dello Sport
The hilly Italian classic, which begins and ends in the city, has been at pains in the last couple of days to emphasise that it is not responsible for specifically inviting the team.
Race director Adriana Amici told Italian website TuttoBici “It’s up to the UCI to communicate when it’s better that a team does not compete. We invite the best teams in the world, and my position becomes difficult because I’m essentially obliged to invite the best squads and riders. The team’s name has nothing to do with it, we’ve always had it and there have never been problems”
O Gran Camiño went a step further by saying it would not invite the team to next year’s race, especially remarkable as they won the race earlier this year with Derek Gee. However, as a 2.1 graded race on the calendar, the race organisers have greater control as to which teams they invite, a luxury the Giro dell’Emilia, and the Grand Tours don’t have, especially in light of Israel-Premier Tech’s return to the World Tour next year. The local authority’s organising the Grand Depart of next year’s Tour de France and the finale of the Vuelta a Espana have also said they will not be hosting an Israeli team, putting them in loggerheads with the UCI.
Ultimately, financial pressure might be what breaks the impasse, with road.cc reporting that several sponsors, including title sponsor Premier Tech, have demanded the team rebrand away from the name and identity of Israel. The team have also been sporting monogrammed, name-less kit since protests began in the Vuelta. Hopefully for the riders’ sake, the Giro dell’Emilia, which takes place on Saturday 4th October, can go ahead without putting riders in danger.
Worlds recap: Sheffield genes and sportswashing
Since it’s Friday afternoon and no one wants to do proper work, let’s talk about the World Championships which finish in Rwanda this weekend.
It’s the dramatic finale to a week of racing that has been controversial for its choice of host country, but events this week appear to have gone off without a hitch. It should be said that as an authoritarian dictatorship, protests were always highly unlikely but riders have also been subdued about the choice of host country, with most riders commenting only on the air quality, which apparently in Kigali is worst at this time of year.
Perhaps summarising the thoughts of the peloton best is Matej Mohorič. Always a good interview, he told Wielerflits that he was “angry with himself” for not paying more attention to the regime and its attempt at sportswashing.
“It is a very difficult issue. I wish I had more time and energy to think about those things, but unfortunately, I’m super busy going from race to race, from training camp to training camp,” the Slovenian said before making a rather profound observation.
“The world we live in is too hectic for many people on a personal level, so we don’t have the time to reflect on the bigger picture.”
Before we move on to the weekend’s action, a final word should go to today’s racing. Not only has Harrogate’s Harry Hudson won gold in the junior race this morning, but Lorenzo Finn has this afternoon won the under-23 road race. Born in Genoa to a Sheffield-born father, Finn won the junior title this time last year and following standard mathematics is now set to demolish the elite field at the Worlds in Montreal next year, I think.
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Hookless is still a bad idea. I agree that it should be safe when all guidelines are adhered to, but that is not always going to happen in the real world. I've had several clients come to my workshop with bikes that they've bought 2nd hand and have no idea what I mean when I ask about their hookless rims. Just yesterday I someone with a Scott bike with Zipp 303 S hookless wheels; he'd been pumping his tubed tires up to 90-100 psi on them, because that's what he's always done. I had to educate him and he's now going to be using his new 30mm tires at 60-65 psi and checking that his pump is somewhat calibrated. Why do brands like Zipp continuing to put people in dangerous situations that are totally unnecessary?
I can't think of anywhere I have seen cyclists getting more space than pedestrians unless we count the fact that twats in cars like to park blocking pavements as a matter of course around me. I would also suggest that if you want people to travel around an area effectively instead of using a car, cycling is the best way to do it. I wouldn't walk 2-3 miles to get somewhere but I would happily cycle it because it would take me about 1/4 of the time or less.
There is basically no cycling infrastructure in Edinburgh that is not either a shared footpath or shared with motor vehicles. Cyclists are subservient in both cases. On shared use paths this is by legislation and common sense. On the road it is because most cycle lanes in residential areas are parking spaces, bus lanes have busses in them and the lanes segregated by wands peppered with give ways to cars every few feet. And people still park in them. Pretty much the only exception is that side of the extremely wide path through the meadows, for a few hundred yards. The total width of the paved region is probably wide enough to land a light aircraft, there is absolutely no restriction to pedestrians and pedestrians completely ignore the cycle markings on one side anyway. Given the colossal amount of space given over to motor vehicles in the city, which are predominantly single occupancy, and the fact it is illegal to cycle on all of the pavements dedicated formpedestrians, I going to put this guy's comments in the "idiotic" category.
I believe the Miners Pension Fund has proved a nice little earner for Government coffers, generating a huge surplus and that Government has been pocketing half of it. This payment that you apparently resent so much is a partial settlement of that unfairness!
Mr Fraser would seem a perfect paraphrase of the old cartoon about the millionaire with a thousand cookies telling the working man with one cookie to watch out or the immigrants will steal his cookie...incidentally, in this age of obesity I often see pedestrians far wider than me and the bike, not to mention people with pushchairs twice as wide or more, they don't feel guilty about the amount of space they're taking from me, or so I surmise from the way they wander into the bike lane whenever it suits them...
Motor-heads are the champions of false equivalence.
10 years in prison for killing a cyclist should be the minimum sentence. The objective is to raise awareness and remind motorists they must remain vigilant at all times when behind the wheel. Drivers who harm people and/or damage properties shall be sent to retest. No excuses. No exceptions.
@wtjs No remorse from the 84 year old driver though. " He fully accepts responsibility and places no blame on the cyclist whatsoever". Which seems to imply he'd like to blame the cyclist if he could.
Hookless and yet still ‘just 1585’ grams. No and no . The only thing ‘industry leading’ is their marketing team that convinces folk to part with their money for this product.
@wtjs That's how it works, though. The defendant expresses remorse. You can believe it or not, as can the judge. On the face of it, he is remorseful. Accepted. The Judge goes on to clarify that his remorse is effectively nullified: the defendant knew (or ought to have known) better; he had all the information he needed to know not to do it. So the judge has done what he needs to do: he acknowledges the remorse, takes it at face value and shows his balancing of the circumstances. If he did not, there is a chance it could be part of a sentencing appeal - "the judge did not take into account my remorse"... Well he did, and you're still a See You Next Tuesday! Now, whether 9 years and a time-limited ban are sufficient is a matter for sentencing guidelines which, without evidence to the contrary, I shall assume the judge has followed. My opinion is that the extended re-test needs to have a strong attitude test component, for a start, but that anybody who has caused death through such negligent regard for safety should not be permitted to operate a sewing machine, let alone a motor vehicle.
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I wish that someone other
I wish that someone other than the UCI could take the lead in deciding what to do about IPT. There’s nuance and sensitivity needed here, attributes that the UCI have rarely shown.
lesterama wrote:
And someone that will be also be consistent and courageous in their approach with IPT, UAE, Bahrain and Jayco Alula. Doubt it will ever happe but we can hope.
Are we sure it’s not a joke,
Are we sure it’s not a joke, supporting the truth and Charlie Kirk is an oxymoron.
Who speaks the Truth then?
Who speaks the Truth then? The Beebs, The Guardian, CNN, Politico, …?
The political great divide runs between patriots who reject the globalist agenda and the dissaliance that mixes lefties, wokies, anti-semites and pro-muslims. Nothing with that as one are entitled to their opinions and beliefs.
MaxiMinimalist wrote:
Eh? Did you forget the “bicycle riders” there?
Surely the great divide on “truth” is between the pure mathematicians and those serial benders of the truth the theoretical physicists? (Everyone else is “not even wrong”.)
I’m just confused by the ‘dis
I’m just confused by the ‘dis-saliance’. Does this mean that the great enemy of truth is people who post stuff that’s off-topic?
mdavidford wrote:
Oh – I didn’t notice…
But…but… I was told on
But…but… I was told on here not two days ago that Charlie wasn’t that bad and I was making things up about him when I said he was an atrocious racist bigot! Or is he still not an atrocious racist bigot because he didn’t actually technically say he supported slavery, he only wholeheartedly eulogised and endorsed somebody who supported slavery?
The UCI is as corrupt as they
The UCI is as corrupt as they can be they hate not having a complete monopoly on cycling period! Already obvious with the back room deal between UCI and TNT sports so allowing a racist trump supporter who’s a Kirk fan carry on just to get her buzz well let’s see what happens when a local or two can actually read English.
As I said on Wednesday when
As I said on Wednesday’s blog when this kicked off…
Both Chloé Dygert and Erika Kirk are actually insulting Charlie Kirk’s “memory” and “belief system” by the way they are living their lives.
I assume they (Chloé and Erika) feel that those “truths”, “beliefs” and “rules” don’t apply to themselves.
Yorks comments are so
Yorks comments are so predictable. There’s no need for those false accusations against Dygert. Kirk was anti-trans; his right to have an opinion, one I share – I don’t think men, pretending to be women, should be allowed in changing rooms with small girls, or to participate in womens sports, this isn’t an unusual or an extreme opinion, I dont demonise, I’m sure Pippa is a nice person, and im sure that many trans are, but please just stay out of the girls changing room and womens sports please. Why Pippa feels a need to start making stupid statements that someone who has a different opinion must be all thoes bad things she says? not everyone has the same opinion, stop demonising everyone.
Stupid statements? Her
Stupid statements? Her comments are spot on. To go to Africa with that on your bike is crass, stupid, insensitive. As well as unecessary. If Dygert wants to make a statement she can deal with the responses.
As can you and I on here – you know gay men and women use the changing rooms with other men and boys / women and girls, right? They always have done. It’s normal, it’s fine. Predatory tendancies are unrelated to sexual orientation or gender identification. Drop the BS.
> Predatory tendancies are
> Predatory tendancies are unrelated to sexual orientation or gender identification.
This isn’t really true. Males have far, _far_ higher rates of sexual predation offences than females. There is no reason to think ‘gender identity’ or sexual orientation affects that, and the data – while limited – does not provide reason to think otherwise either (indeed, if anything, there may be a signal of higher offending – but the data is very limited, and may be unreliable in various ways too).
The data we have is clear that sexual offending correlates *very strongly* with sex (i.e., male) – and is not modified (least, not reduced) by being gay or trans.
When you combine this statistical fact, with the physiological fact that males are almost universally *much stronger* than females, there are very obvious, clear reasons why females would want to have segregated spaces – without males – in certain contexts where they may feel vulnerable.
Yes I realise that, it’s why
Yes I realise that, it’s why I said ‘sexual orientation or gender identification’, not sex. What I’m getting at is it’s not an argument against trans people, just one against men. So the ‘trans folk in bathrooms’ thing is assuming a straight male will go as far as passing off as a transitioning woman to predate. I can understand women not wanting men in the same spaces and that’s for them to ask for not for me to debate. however as far as I understand it the majority of women don’t feel threatened by trans people, they feel threatened by straight men.
james-o wrote:
Well, if you have a male who is a predatory sexual offender – and there are sadly a significant number of such males – why do you think they would NOT take the opportunity to dress up as a woman so they can access spaces where the objects of their horrendous, predatory, violent fetish are present and vulnerable?
It doesn’t even have to be direct violence. Indecent exposure is another fetish a number of straight males have. Now, they can dress up as a woman and indulge this fetish under the cover of plausible deniability. Do you think NO such fetishists avail of that?
I’m generally a progressive liberal. However… We have to be cognisant of the fact there ARE individuals with ill intent / maladaptions who WILL take advantage of things.
Paul J wrote:
There doubtless are and there are men who have in the past dressed up as women in order to access women-only spaces in order to commit sexual crimes. However, in places in America such as New York City and California where legislation has been passed allowing individuals to use whichever changing room or bathroom accords with their gender identity there has been no increase in the prevalence of such crimes. All of the nation’s leading organisations for protecting women from violence recently signed a letter saying that this issue was a “chimera” and not the problem anti-trans-activists insist. Which is interesting.
That’s great unless you’re a
That’s great unless you’re a woman who has been raped or sexually assaulted by a man and carries trauma from that. And the numbers of victims are huge.
Why should these women have cosplay men (pre surgery) in their changing rooms at work or in sports centres – areas that are supposed to feel safe when people are partially or completely naked? Same for women in prison.
Fair point and shows how this
Fair point and shows how this is complex or nuanced, not just a simple either/or/yes/no thing. And I expect it goes the other way, forcing a trans person into the opposing gender space can have unwelcome results. Drunk blokes ‘banter’ or worse in pub toilets etc. Last time this came up in a convo it seemed 3 spaces was a better option than waht we have now but how practical that is is another matter.
Erm, ‘cosplay’ though .. c’mon. Choose better words maybe.
open_roads wrote:
Drifting off-topic, but the number is large and un-knowable (is that a word?). You might see statistics on convictions, or maybe even prosecutions, but you won’t see any on how many women have been assaulted overall because the overwhelming majority never tell their tale, and that’s without even including “being made to feel very uncomfortable and/or afraid” in “assaulted”.
Her comments, as is quite
Her comments, as is quite clear from the content of her post, had nothing to do with trans issues and everything to do with riding in Africa with a bike bearing the name of a notorious racist who supported those who support slavery. Are you deliberately being crass or are you genuinely too stupid to understand this?
I’d go with both. Trabsphobes
I’d go with both. Transphobes like to shoehorn their thoughts on trans folx into everything.
So trans-women have to go
So trans-women have to go into their birth gender’s changing rooms as their new gender. What is to stop a sexual predatory male going into female changing rooms claiming that their birth gender was female? Harder to check than their current gender.
Edited to state the above is a reply to alexuk but I obviously did not click reply
Trans issues are the
Trans issues are the compulsory bicycle helmets of women’s safety/participation in sport. As in, making helmets compulsory is not in the top 100 things that would make cycling safer, but are constantly talked about. Trans issues are not in the top 100 things that pose a threat to women’s safety or to their participation in sport, yet we always talk about them.
it’s almost like it isn’t actually about women’s safety or sporting integrity….
the little onion wrote:
That portion of your comment is not correct. Trans-identifying males are very much over-represented on cycling and athletics podiums, in competitions where they are allowed to compete in female classes. Thankfully stopped in most IOC-affiliated elite level competition. However, it is still true in a lot of grass-roots amateur competitions where either they allow self-ID (US Cycling till recently), or they have no inclination/ability to enforce the rules.
I took new scientists how to
I took new scientists how to be a human as my train book on my schlepp to my mother’s a couple of weeks back. I was finding it a bit bitty, and wanted more depth, luckily I also had, just in case like, sir Richard dannatts Churchills d day, and seeing as he was the equivalent of winstons Alanbrooke he had an interesting take. Pretty much lasted the week. Good book that.
But, of course, I digress. I will finish the new scientist one, because, just before I went war, I read something that piqued my interest. It was always thought that the placenta would not allow cells to pass through. Until someone had a look, seemingly relatively recently, and I mean, a very good look. The assumption was wrong. So I am a little bit woman. And my ma is a little bit me. Now, and this wasn’t in the all to short section, my question would be, if a mother who had previously given birth to a son, both now discovered to be a little bit hybrid, were to then have a daughter would that newborn now be a little bit man?
I will be doing the “further reading” on this bit.
It would appear that biology is fascinating and incredibly complex..
The local authority leisure
The local authority leisure centres around me generally have “village-style” changing rooms … i.e. totally non-gendered, with various sizes of changing room/cubicle within. That means you can change in a space suitable for one individual, a couple, a family, or even a group (very useful for school parties, etc.).
Doesn’t cause any problems at all.
It does seem to be a particularly British/American fixation to so strictly gender divide things the way we do.
The school I teach at moved a few Summers ago to open plan toilet areas (where every toilet is in an individual, lockable cubicle) with communal hand-washing and no gender division. It was done mostly so that the toilets were not an enclosed space or students to hide in.
After a year, the open plan areas were retained but some marked specifically for boys and some for girls … not because there were major issues, just the girls complained (rightly) about boys being messy and unable to hit the target. Although, interestingly it seems to be mostly girls who take food into the toilet areas!?
Jetmans Dad wrote:
Our local leisure centre has the same type of changing area, and it does indeed work very well most of the time. Unfortunately, it isn’t without problems. A few years ago, my wife and young son were the victims of a voyeur that filmed them from the adjacent cubicle by reaching under the wall panel with his phone. He did the same to a few others over the period of a few weeks. Thankfully he was eventually caught and punished, but it was disturbing for all those involved. Of course this has nothing to do with the trans debate specifically, but it is one of the unintended consequences of this type of changing area. Sadly, some degenerates (regardless of gender) can and do exploit these environments for their own nefarious means if they are not adequately designed to prevent such actions.
Dicklexic wrote:
Of course it was, and I am sorry to hear that. Fortunately, ours don’t have gaps at the bottom of the wall panels … presumably for that reason.
The comments on this thread
The comments on this thread are starting to attack the author for being trans and trans people in sport.
If I had written the same words as a non-trans person, would the discussion have gone in this direction?
I agree with York’s comments pushing back against the acceptance of racist views that Kirk seemed to push. If I had a platform, I would have used it to give the same message.
For clarity, I do not support anybody being shot for their views, however offensive
“…the acceptance of racist
“…the acceptance of racist views that Kirk seemed to push.” Unless you quote the deceased verbatim, it’s all speculations, isn’t it?
MaxiMinimalist wrote:
Assuming you mean verbatim, here you go:
If I see a Black pilot, I’m going to be like, boy, I hope he’s qualified.
– The Charlie Kirk Show, 23 January 2024
If you’re a WNBA, pot-smoking, Black lesbian, do you get treated better than a United States marine?
– The Charlie Kirk Show, 8 December 2022
Happening all the time in urban America, prowling Blacks go around for fun to go target white people, that’s a fact. It’s happening more and more.
– The Charlie Kirk Show, 19 May 2023
If I’m dealing with somebody in customer service who’s a moronic Black woman, I wonder is she there because of her excellence, or is she there because of affirmative action?
– The Charlie Kirk Show, 3 January 2024
If we would have said that Joy Reid and Michelle Obama and Sheila Jackson Lee and Ketanji Brown Jackson were affirmative action picks, we would have been called racists. Now they’re coming out and they’re saying it for us … You do not have the brain processing power to otherwise be taken really seriously. You had to go steal a white person’s slot to go be taken somewhat seriously.
– The Charlie Kirk Show, 13 July 2023
America was at its peak when we halted immigration for 40 years and we dropped our foreign-born percentage to its lowest level ever. We should be unafraid to do that.
– The Charlie Kirk Show, 22 August 2025
The American Democrat party hates this country. They wanna see it collapse. They love it when America becomes less white.
– The Charlie Kirk Show, 20 March 2024
The great replacement strategy, which is well under way every single day in our southern border, is a strategy to replace white rural America with something different.
– The Charlie Kirk Show, 1 March 2024
Rendel Harris wrote:
Assuming you mean verbatim…— MaxiMinimalist
No – verbatom: i.e. just the verbs, separated from everything else.
As an adverb, verbatim means
As an adverb, verbatim means ” word for word”.
MaxiMinimalist wrote:
There’s that dis-salience rearing its head.
You do know that everyone can
You do know that everyone can see your original spelling as quoted, even though you’ve edited it? Just checking?
As a matter of fact, if you
As a matter of fact, if you replace black by white, it works just the same.
MaxiMinimalist wrote:
You’ll have to explain that one, since this chap doesn’t appear to have replaced black with white there, so it’s not in fact “working the same”?
MaxiMinimalist wrote:
No, it doesn’t. I don’t think any black person would say “When I see a white pilot I think ‘I hope he’s qualified'”. Charlie Kirk was a stonecold racist bigot as proved by his own words, the fact that you’re so desperate to defend him says an awful lot about you.
I can hear Chris Rock saying
I can hear Chris Rock saying it.
Eddie Murphy for sure.
Richard Pryor…
ktache wrote:
Would maybe make a good segment for Reginald D Hunter?
Although he is now in bother himself for allegations of antisemitism…
Well yes, in an ironic, “ain
Well yes, in an ironic, “ain’t I being a dick” kind of way, not with the apparent seriousness of Kirk and his myrmidons; I read the other day that US airlines have seen an increase in calls from people demanding to know what race the pilot on their flight will be.
Rendel appears to have you
Well, nothing wrong with having a note of what people *actually* said.
On this I think Rendel has you covered?
I think, like (for radical Islam) Anjem Choudary – his shtick was to go right up to the (broadly accepted in Kirk’s case, legal incitement / promoting terrorism in Choudary’s) line and imply more but without literally spelling it out. And then when accused of being a racist etc. immediately demand proof of some literal statement, which of course gave an him opportunity to argue further.
Jesus christ, where did all
Jesus christ, where did all the transphobes come from – “pretending to be women”, “cosplay men”. Perhaps don’t talk about things you clearly know nothing about. Or at least do it in a more sensitive way
They’ve always been there.
They’ve always been there. They jsut feel empowered to say this stuff now.
Their talking points are almost always BS.
The trans debate boils down
The trans debate boils down to a choice between taking an objective stance based on biology or a subjective stance based on behaviour. So is someone a woman because they lack Y chromosomes or because they follow a pattern of behaviour?
Make your own mind up and don’t demonise those who disagree with you.
Someone is a woman because
Someone is a woman because she mentruates, carries babies and gives birth. One don’t need a Ph.D in Biology to look at their mothers.
road.cc wrote:
Britain’s first ever World Champion in the men’s junior road race. Nicole Cook, Lucy Garner, Zoe Backstedt and Cat Ferguson bagged seven between them.
Sadly Kirk’s opinions were at
Sadly Kirk’s opinions were at minimum vicious and divisive, I don’t apprové of assassinations but he’s no great loss to the human race. But thé basic issue should bé that NO political messages should bé displayed on people’s bikes (and probably their shirts as well).
There should be no political
There should be no political messages displayed on competitors’ bikes provided they go against the wokie-leftie trend.
What’s that?
What’s that?
Hey, I love your accents.
Hey, I love your accents.
That’s how it goes with a
That’s how it goes with a French phone
You should see the reckless
You should see the reckless way I type my French into Duolingo, knowing they won’t punish me for not using the accents correctly (or at all).
I’m finding it quite
I’m finding it quite endearing.
But you do seem to be doing it less.
Maybe a shame.
I wish there was less
I wish there was less politics on this site. Its a cycling site. Theres enough politics elsewhere in the media. I look back with nostalgia to when we used to argue about helmets.
PRSboy wrote:
Cycling is a sport. Sport is inextricably intertwined with politics. Cycling is a means of transport. Transport is inextricably intertwined with politics. Cycling (can be) symbolic of an alternative lifestyle. Alternative lifestyles are inextricably intertwined with politics.
There is plenty of argument about helmets still going on and will be as long as eburt has breath, I believe there was one just yesterday. There are loads of articles about other things besides politics, if you don’t like the political discussions, just skip them, they’re not compulsory you know.
Then we don’t need a cycling
Then we don’t need a cycling site since all cycling-related topics are already covered by political podcasts and social media. On this specific cycling site, it’s fashionable to mock Trump and ridicule Reform UK.
I suppose it is fashionable,
I suppose it is fashionable, it’s great fun too. And so, so easy.
But it goes both ways.
But it goes both ways. Libtards vs MAGAmuffins, same same but different.
MaxiMinimalist wrote:
I think you’ll find that’s fashionable anywhere where people whose IQ exceeds their shoe size foregather.
That’s the kind of groundless
That’s the kind of groundless remarks made to kill an open debate. I say the right is stupid and moronic so they are. I am right and they are wrong.
Well done. I’m glad you’ve
Well done. I’m glad you’ve realised how stupid and moronic they are. Well done indeed.
…. or maybe Trump and
[quote=MaxiMinimalist. On this specific cycling site, it’s fashionable to mock Trump and ridicule Reform UK.[/quote]
…. or maybe Trump and Reform voices are busy being focussed in other chambers? Is it fashionable to mock or consistent in calling out dishonest players – maybe said politicians could write a parralel book – “It’s All About the Grift”
MaxiMinimalist wrote:
Principally because the former has immense power – some of which directly affects even uk cyclists via his tariffs – although it’s more about his calling the general tune on “rip out the cycle lanes” * and “drill baby drill”.
The latter certainly are relevant because many of their councils / councillors have an explicitly “restore car-centric policies like it was 1970 again” plus some seem to be quite anti-transport cycling (if not cycling full stop).
They also seem to be home to those who have some really odd conspiratorial ideas about eg. LTNs which not only have no discernable evidence for them but don’t even logically hang together.
I guess if you don’t find eg. devoting so much time and energy to arguing about flags a bit silly etc… then yes, it would look like ridicule.
You are welcome to correct misrepresentation of what they’ve said or done – or try to defend it though.
* Sadly not to replace them with separated mobility paths or cycle streets.
PRSboy wrote:
If the discussion is about Trump and Kirk, doesn’t that meet your requirements?
Post of the week.
Post of the week.
PRSboy wrote:
No-one forced you to click the link.
This is the real world, professional sport is not some saintly escape from reality. And don’t worry, helmet arguments won’t go away that easily.
A good point but you’ll
A good point but you’ll Always have those who like to disseminate their opinions ad infinitum (or do I mean ad nauseam)
Well done England, 2 world
..
Ticks a box I guess.
Ticks a box I guess.
How do you legally use it ?
Presumably this is for
Presumably this is for cyclists who want to go up the steps to the house with the blue door?
That silver car (‘s owner)
That silver car (‘s owner) will want a word…
Anyway there’s no mystery, Schrodinger’s cyclist can just do a bit of quantum tunnelling into the box.