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Live blog: The Friday Leave/Remain poll, Scrapped HS2 cycleway would have provided five times the return on investment as the rail line; Deceuninck-QuickStep genitals training + more

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  • by Alex Bowden
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  • Deceuninck-QuickStep to train riders not to rub their genitals against waitresses
  • TfL asks the public’s views on four major new cycle routes
  • Scrapped HS2 cycleway would have provided five times the return on investment as the rail line
  • What snow?
  • UK Cycling Expert, bang on the money
  • Cyclist defies polar vortex to set new course record in Arrowhead 135
  • Preview of the World CX Champs course
  • Leave or Remain?
  • Call for congestion/pollution charges to be applied to black cabs
  • Looking to lose some Winter weight?    (rough translation from the French)
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1 February 2019, 21:50

Deceuninck-QuickStep to train riders not to rub their genitals against waitresses

Earlier this week Belgian Deceuninck-QuickStep rider Iljo Keissewas was accused of rubbing his genitals on a waitress while she was having a photo taken with him and some team-mates.

He was thrown off the race and fined by a judge.

Team manager Patrick Lefevere was reportedly so incensed by the decision that he briefly threatened to withdraw the team from the race.

Several of the team’s riders then sat out Wednesday’s podium ceremony, citing ‘fatigue’.

Yesterday we reported that Keisse’s father said that the woman involved was partly to blame. Google Translate (perhaps unfairly) has one of his comments down as: “That woman is also very suggestive with her ass behind.”

Keisse, for what it’s worth, had already apologised.

None of this is a good look and Cycling News reports on “tensions” between the team and new title sponsor Deceuninck. Specialized has also said it is taking the matter “extremely seriously” and is “working with the team reinforce the expectations” it holds of riders.

All of which perhaps explains why the team has now issued a “sincere apology,” in which it promises to implement “specific conduct training protocols” to ensure “this kind of thing won’t happen again.”

“The Team would like to make a sincere apology for the events of the past few days, firstly to the woman involved in this regrettable incident, and additionally to all women, fans, and sponsors. We don’t condone this type of behaviour. Our team’s core values include mutual respect, and that was not upheld in this situation. Iljo also personally acknowledges his mistake and takes full responsibility for his actions.

“As a team, we are aware that one of our main roles is to educate the riders and make sure they demonstrate respect for everyone. The events of these past days are something which we can – and already have – learned from, and for that very reason we have decided to implement in the near future specific conduct training protocols for all riders and staff to ensure our values and make sure this kind of thing won’t happen again.

“Again, we are very sorry to everyone affected by this regrettable incident.”

1 February 2019, 21:50

TfL asks the public’s views on four major new cycle routes

Full consultation to follow.

More here.

1 February 2019, 21:50

Scrapped HS2 cycleway would have provided five times the return on investment as the rail line

Last year the government published a 2016 study which looked at the possibility of building a national cycleway along the route of the HS2 railway.

The gist was that it was an extremely good idea that neither the Department for Transport (DfT) nor HS2 Ltd, the company building the high-speed line, were willing to fund.

“Sadly the HS2 cycleway train has left the platform,” observed Roger Geffen, Cycling UK’s policy director.

Our erstwhile colleague Laura Laker reports in the Guardian that a 50-page business case for the cycleway put the health, congestion and economic benefits at between £3 and £8 per £1 spent.

The return on investment of the HS2 rail line is £1.5-£1.7 per £1, according to the National Audit Office.

1 February 2019, 21:50

What snow?

Soooo… who rode in and is the only person in the office? pic.twitter.com/d7pMHrdSuX

— road.cc (@roadcc) February 1, 2019

Did you still make it to the office this morning? Show us your pics!

1 February 2019, 21:50

UK Cycling Expert, bang on the money

He only complained about it to try to get more money. pic.twitter.com/f8yetNXcPa

— UK Cycling Expert (@ukcyclingexpert) January 31, 2019

1 February 2019, 21:50

Cyclist defies polar vortex to set new course record in Arrowhead 135

Not that guy. He’s another competitor who did a better job of illustrating the conditions.

More here.

1 February 2019, 21:50

Preview of the World CX Champs course

Rising British U23 star Cameron Mason takes us around the very fast course for the World Cyclocross Championships. Tomorrow’s races are available on the UCI’s YouTube channel, but the main races tomorrow are geo-blocked as they’re on Eurosport Player.

1 February 2019, 21:50

Leave or Remain?

Leave or remain? That seems to be the only thing getting asked these days. So we thought we’d jump on that particular bandwagon. It’s just a bit of fun. Unlike the other thing.

 

1 February 2019, 21:50

Call for congestion/pollution charges to be applied to black cabs

“Even ambulances have to pay the pollution charge.”

More here (including a petition).

1 February 2019, 21:50

Looking to lose some Winter weight?    (rough translation from the French)

Vous avez pris un peu de poids pendant l’hiver ? Pas de panique : nous avons LA solution ! pic.twitter.com/jGaHKKWAWz

— Dans la Musette (@DansLaMusette) February 1, 2019

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19 thoughts on “Live blog: The Friday Leave/Remain poll, Scrapped HS2 cycleway would have provided five times the return on investment as the rail line; Deceuninck-QuickStep genitals training + more”

  1. handlebarcam
    February 1, 2019 at 11:49 am
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    Quote:

    QuickStep to train riders not to rub their genitals against waitresses

    IT’S POLITICAL CORRECTNESS GONE MAD!

    What is the world coming to when you can’t even rub your genitals against a waitress anymore, because of the PC-Thought-Police, bleedin’ ‘ealth ‘n’ safety, the EU, and Gary Lineker (probably).

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  2. peted76
    February 1, 2019 at 12:02 pm
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    “Deceuninck-QuickStep to

    “Deceuninck-QuickStep to train riders not to rub their genitals against waitresses”

    Headline of the year.

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  3. Rick_Rude
    February 1, 2019 at 12:23 pm
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    I blame his helmet.

    I blame his helmet.

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  4. burtthebike
    February 1, 2019 at 1:05 pm
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    The HS2 figures for return on

    The HS2 figures for return on investment, of 1:1.5, only stand up if you make some very questionable assumptions about the benefits e.g. that time on a train is non-productive, which is clearly not true.  All the independent analyses of HS2 say it is not an economic proposition.

    On the contrary, the benefits of providing for cyclists are solid and unquestionable, and even with the skewed system, are vastly better value than major road and rail schemes.

    So which ones get funded?

    Answers on a postcard to your local MP.

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    • brooksby
      February 1, 2019 at 2:11 pm
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      burtthebike wrote:

      So which ones get funded?

      — burtthebike

      The ones that allow wealthy people who bought a slightly cheaper house out in the country so they could afford to buy another house somewhere sunny to commute to their Very Important office job in a hedge fund or bank in the City.

      (Sorry, I might be generalising a bit there and being unfair to someone in pinstripes  ).

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      • Bungle73
        February 2, 2019 at 3:17 pm
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        brooksby wrote:

        So which ones get funded?

        — brooksby

        The ones that allow wealthy people who bought a slightly cheaper house out in the country so they could afford to buy another house somewhere sunny to commute to their Very Important office job in a hedge fund or bank in the City.

        (Sorry, I might be generalising a bit there and being unfair to someone in pinstripes  ).

        — burtthebike

        Yes, because everyone who uses the WCML is wealthy, has a hedge fune, or works in the city, don’t they………….

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        • brooksby
          February 2, 2019 at 3:26 pm
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          Bungle73 wrote:

          So which ones get funded?

          — Bungle73

          The ones that allow wealthy people who bought a slightly cheaper house out in the country so they could afford to buy another house somewhere sunny to commute to their Very Important office job in a hedge fund or bank in the City.

          (Sorry, I might be generalising a bit there and being unfair to someone in pinstripes  ).

          — brooksby

          Yes, because everyone who uses the WCML is wealthy, has a hedge fune, or works in the city, don’t they………….

          — burtthebike

          We’re talking about hs2, though. Pay way more money to get to London five minutes faster… I don’t know about the west coast main line, but hs2 damn well  *is* aimed at wealthy businesspersons.

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          • Bungle73
            February 2, 2019 at 3:34 pm
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            brooksby wrote:

            So which ones get funded?

            — brooksby

            The ones that allow wealthy people who bought a slightly cheaper house out in the country so they could afford to buy another house somewhere sunny to commute to their Very Important office job in a hedge fund or bank in the City.

            (Sorry, I might be generalising a bit there and being unfair to someone in pinstripes  ).

            — Bungle73

            Yes, because everyone who uses the WCML is wealthy, has a hedge fune, or works in the city, don’t they………….

            — brooksby

            We’re talking about hs2, though. Pay way more money to get to London five minutes faster… I don’t know about the west coast main line, but hs2 damn well  *is* aimed at wealthy businesspersons.

            — burtthebike

            The purpose of HS2 is to releive pressure from the WCML, which has severe capcity problems. Like most people, you crictise the building of HS2 without even  knowimg why it is being built.

          • burtthebike
            February 2, 2019 at 4:38 pm
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            Bungle73 wrote:

            The purpose of HS2 is to releive pressure from the WCML, which has severe capcity problems. Like most people, you crictise the building of HS2 without even  knowimg why it is being built.

            — Bungle73

            The only valid reason I’ve heard for building HS2 is to provide the tories donors with lots of profit.  If it was a decision based on value for money, it wouldn’t be happening, but a proper national, regional and local cycle network would.  The decision to build it was clearly not based on economics, or wider benefits.

          • fizrar6
            February 2, 2019 at 7:18 pm
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            burtthebike wrote:

            The purpose of HS2 is to releive pressure from the WCML, which has severe capcity problems. Like most people, you crictise the building of HS2 without even  knowimg why it is being built.

            — burtthebike

            The only valid reason I’ve heard for building HS2 is to provide the tories donors with lots of profit.  If it was a decision based on value for money, it wouldn’t be happening, but a proper national, regional and local cycle network would.  The decision to build it was clearly not based on economics, or wider benefits.

            — Bungle73

            You have a very short memory. HS2 was the brainchild of the last Labour government. The Tories mistake was not scrapping it.

          • burtthebike
            February 2, 2019 at 10:43 pm
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            fizrar6 wrote:

            The purpose of HS2 is to releive pressure from the WCML, which has severe capcity problems. Like most people, you crictise the building of HS2 without even  knowimg why it is being built.

            — fizrar6

            The only valid reason I’ve heard for building HS2 is to provide the tories donors with lots of profit.  If it was a decision based on value for money, it wouldn’t be happening, but a proper national, regional and local cycle network would.  The decision to build it was clearly not based on economics, or wider benefits.

            — burtthebike

            You have a very short memory. HS2 was the brainchild of the last Labour government. The Tories mistake was not scrapping it.

            — Bungle73

            My memory is fine, and the last labour government wasn’t labour; it was tory with a pink rinse.

          • brooksby
            February 3, 2019 at 8:24 am
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            Bungle73 wrote:

            So which ones get funded?

            — Bungle73

            The ones that allow wealthy people who bought a slightly cheaper house out in the country so they could afford to buy another house somewhere sunny to commute to their Very Important office job in a hedge fund or bank in the City.

            (Sorry, I might be generalising a bit there and being unfair to someone in pinstripes  ).

            — brooksby

            Yes, because everyone who uses the WCML is wealthy, has a hedge fune, or works in the city, don’t they………….

            — Bungle73

            We’re talking about hs2, though. Pay way more money to get to London five minutes faster… I don’t know about the west coast main line, but hs2 damn well  *is* aimed at wealthy businesspersons.

            — brooksby

            The purpose of HS2 is to releive pressure from the WCML, which has severe capcity problems. Like most people, you crictise the building of HS2 without even  knowimg why it is being built.

            — burtthebike

            That would be “relieve pressure” by moving the people in the first class carriages onto a dedicated super speed permanently first class rail line? How does that disprove my point??

    • Awavey
      February 2, 2019 at 12:07 pm
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      burtthebike wrote:

      The HS2 figures for return on investment, of 1:1.5, only stand up if you make some very questionable assumptions about the benefits e.g. that time on a train is non-productive, which is clearly not true.  All the independent analyses of HS2 say it is not an economic proposition.

      On the contrary, the benefits of providing for cyclists are solid and unquestionable, and even with the skewed system, are vastly better value than major road and rail schemes.

      So which ones get funded?

      Answers on a postcard to your local MP.

      — burtthebike

      the problem is building a cycling scheme would not occupy the many thousands of construction workers/builders/architects etc for the best part of a decade at a time, these big infrastructure projects like HS2 or CrossRail, are as much about providing reasonably medium term employment prospects for lots and lots of people, and all the subsidiary support business around it. Thats where the real ROI comes from in terms of the governments spend on them, these people get paid a wage they can live on, they pay tax, they spend money back in the economy, it all creates economic growth.

      That these things when constructed eventually are ultimately often marginal in terms of actual cost benefit,well youll have had a decade of near guaranteed growth in the construction industry by then, who will have then moved on to the next big government funded mega building project and the whole merry go round starts again.

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        February 2, 2019 at 12:21 pm
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        Awavey wrote:

        the problem is building a cycling scheme would not occupy the many thousands of construction workers/builders/architects etc for the best part of a decade at a time, these big infrastructure projects like HS2 or CrossRail, are as much about providing reasonably medium term employment prospects for lots and lots of people, and all the subsidiary support business around it. Thats where the real ROI comes from in terms of the governments spend on them, these people get paid a wage they can live on, they pay tax, they spend money back in the economy, it all creates economic growth.

        That these things when constructed eventually are ultimately often marginal in terms of actual cost benefit,well youll have had a decade of near guaranteed growth in the construction industry by then, who will have then moved on to the next big government funded mega building project and the whole merry go round starts again.

        — Awavey

        You are undoubtedly right, but a national cycle network, with regional and local segments, would provide more employment for longer and be vastly more beneficial in all areas, including financial.

        So why isn’t that funded?  I think the answer is that HS2 and other mega-projects are ego schemes for the politicians, who love to be able to point at something and claim the credit e.g. channel tunnel.  Transport is one of the few areas where politicians can have a fairly direct effect, unlike most other areas of public policy.  Although cycling is a vote winner according to all the polls, it’s still a bit too tree-hugging leftie for most politicians, and rail and road have powerful and vocal supporters.

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  5. FrankH
    February 1, 2019 at 2:55 pm
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    Seems to me that Keisse’s

    Seems to me that Keisse’s genitals have been blown way out of proportion.

     

    Hmmm…. maybe I could have phrased that better.

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  6. jollygoodvelo
    February 1, 2019 at 5:39 pm
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    It’s 2019.  It’s quite simple

    It’s 2019.  It’s quite simple.  Don’t rub your genitals, or even pretend to, against anyone who hasn’t specifically given their consent for you to do so.  

    On the other hand, I’m in no way denying the stupidity of the act by saying that it was clearly intended as a bit of a joke that has gone down like a lead balloon.  John Cleese once said that an Englishman would rather be told that he is a bad lover than that he has so sense of humour; well, about a hundred thousand people have told Keisse that his attempt at humour sucks, so surely that should be punishment enough?

    And never mind that in a sport that still has podium girls at almost all races, and continues to belittle and underfund the women’s side of the sport, there are an awful lot of people sat in glass houses throwing stones.

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  7. Organon
    February 1, 2019 at 8:36 pm
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    Leave/Remain; isn’t there a

    Leave/Remain; isn’t there a third way? Just coast by seeing if they look productively engaged in a repair, and if not call out ‘Y’alright?’

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    • Morat
      February 1, 2019 at 10:27 pm
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      Organon wrote:

      Leave/Remain; isn’t there a third way? Just coast by seeing if they look productively engaged in a repair, and if not call out ‘Y’alright?’

      — Organon

       

      Seems sensible, so I doubt parliament will vote for it…

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      February 2, 2019 at 12:00 am
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      Organon wrote:

      Leave/Remain; isn’t there a third way? Just coast by seeing if they look productively engaged in a repair, and if not call out ‘Y’alright?’

      — Organon

      I normally try to Leave, but just end up cutting my own throat and bleeding to death.

       

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@FionaJJ These officers deployed next-level stupidity, and it must be difficult for the police to find people this dim. It doesn't even need rolling-roads or whatever, just a reputable bike computer on a quickly changed mount for the difficult cases where a proper EAPC has been modded, although you would need to look hard in Lancashire to find a police officer who knows how to make a pedal cycle go. Most illegal electric motorbikes are immediately obvious, not least because the crim is wearing a face mask. I saw an obvious one tonight coming out of Garstang Sainsbury's, not pedalling but without a face mask because everybody knows that the police only come into the town to hide away in the police station 200 yards away.

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