Joe Lycett's Channel 4 show criticised for promoting anti-LTN 'conspiracy theory'

massive4x4 wrote:

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Oh and is there a plan to "cancel" Sophie for not being team bike... seriously

You appear to be entirely devoid of understanding how people actually cogntively function....

Your suggestion that first time offenders get a leaflet rather than a fine is a lot harsher than what usually happens in South London.

None of the LTNs in my area were enforced by camera initially - just planters in most cases and signs in others.  A significant minority of drivers ignored the signs and passed between the planters in the wrong direction.  But most people understood or followed the signs; even if, as you suggest, they were novel or on a regular rat-running route of theirs that they follow out of habit.

After five months, cameras were installed* but not switched on. There were more signs added about the cameras.  This reduced through-traffic further, but still a minority continued to ignore the signs and now did so at greater speeds.  After another month, the cameras were switched on but offenders were sent warning letters rather than fines. Then finally after two weeks of letters,  they began to issue fines and even then, first-time offenders were issued with a letter. In effect, offenders were given a six month grace period, plus warning letters rather than fines and eventually fines. It seems like an overly reasonable length of time to adjust to a new route layout. 

 *Re the introduction of cameras: Originally planters were closer together to dissuade speeding traffic. However as LTNs have been subject to ongoing live consultation, planters were widened or removed and cameras introduced at the request of the London Fire Brigade, to ensure emergency vehicles could pass through certain roads at speed should they need to. Hence the widening of gaps or removal of physical barriers, alongside even more signs to make sure you cannot possibly miss that there are cameras. So you're correct, there was no intention for LTNs to be revenue raising - and the people who claim they are could easily outwit councils by not ignoring the multiple, huge, easily understandable signs. 

I saw she was appearing too.   I've supported The Bike Project for a while and have attended Jokes for Spokes via zoom during lockdown year. Also,  I've just persuaded our flats to donate abandoned bikes from our communal bike store to the project. Sophie Duker's participation in that nonsense report doesn't sit right at all.

That signage has been standard since the 1960s, as I understand it. It's simple - a red circle means that whatever is in the circle is banned. Hence speed limit signs are red circle.

I think it is 60% answer A, 30% answer C, 10% answer B.

I passed my car test and motorcycle test 10 years prior to Sophie. I know what the sign means. Maybe she just didn't pay enough attention?

I'm not sure the problem is so much attention - more likely retention. Most people tend to view knowing the Highway Code not so much as a prerequisite for being competent to drive, but as a requirement for passing the test. Once they've got their licence it's just so much superfluous information that they can cheerfully forget.

You're right, retention is probably the issue with people not knowing off the top of their head but abandoning the ability to decipher simple signs is the sort of thing that means they should not be in command of two tonnes of steel.

Let's assume someone has forgotten what many specific signs mean, surely as long as they retain some sort of knowledge and are willing to think they ought still to be able to decipher them.  In this case, whatever the things are in the red circle are prohibited - even if you have never seen a red circle with a car and a motorcycle in it, it's work-out-able.  Then there's a sentence saying what permits will mean you are exempt from the no access  -  you don't need to have heard of a BG permit to know that you don't have one, so again it's simple. The last image is of a camera - I'm pretty sure most people know that this means it's enforced by camera (rather than a physical barrier, which they seem to think a-lack-of causes all manner of confusion) but again, what would your guess be.   

given the overall style of this segment of the show, I cant bring myself to watch the whole thing to see if its all like it, just think of who the target audience really is.

Panorama, even modern Panorama, this very much aint, it feels like a very young adult orientated show and it feels like a scripted exchange to get across information in a "made for tv" stylee to viewers who maybe havent even sat a driving test of any kind yet, so would relate to a tv presenter host saying gee I dont know what this sign means please nice mr interviewee who thinks driving 2miles extra is a bad thing, can you explain it to me.

But not so good at strolling. Can he not walk that far?

Sriracha wrote:

But not so good at strolling. Can he not walk that far?

not even relevant. People who live in the zone will have the BG permit. People accessing the zone from outside will presumably learn to enter from the correct side.

The only situation where a 2mile diversion occurs is when a delivery driver (such as hermes or Tesco) needs to make deliveries on both sides on the line.

No it doesn't.

Nigel is frequently misleading on this subject.

Nigel the liar keeping up form? Surely not !

Didn't he announce he left the forum for good ?

hirsute wrote:

Nigel the liar keeping up form? Surely not !

Didn't he announce he left the forum for good ?

Yep, then changed his username twice, then got suspended for abuse, then came back under his original moniker...sad really.

And Nigel the liar should not be responding to you , as he said he would ignore people who were offensive towards him.

hirsute wrote:

And Nigel the liar should not be responding to you , as he said he would ignore people who were offensive towards him.

Yeah, I like to think I've put the hours in!

You beat me to it. I'm sure the word 'funny' must feature as an essential requirement somewhere in the job description for the post of 'Comedian',

Traffic lights don't have a physical barrier to stop you when on red

In Lancashire, there's no psychological barrier either!

I know, she literally starts the segment with "I don't know what that road sign means". Fuck off the roads then until you learn it. Ignorance is not a defence.