Cyclists riding side-by-side is biggest gripe for rural drivers claims survey

J90 wrote:

So many cyclists have awful discipline and awareness, in the middle of the road swerving about, keep a tight double paceline FFS, you can tell the ones who don't race or even do the club chaingang. Makes me even more angry, because as a cyclist, you get tarred with the same brush.

I mean people tend to dislike everybody else anyway in general, such a sad society.

you sound like fun

J90 wrote:

So many cyclists have awful discipline and awareness, in the middle of the road swerving about, keep a tight double paceline FFS, you can tell the ones who don't race or even do the club chaingang. Makes me even more angry, because as a cyclist, you get tarred with the same brush.

I mean people tend to dislike everybody else anyway in general, such a sad society.

Like you, being angered by people who don't even do the club chaingang.

J90 wrote:

So many cyclists have awful discipline and awareness, in the middle of the road swerving about, keep a tight double paceline FFS, you can tell the ones who don't race or even do the club chaingang. Makes me even more angry, because as a cyclist, you get tarred with the same brush.

I mean people tend to dislike everybody else anyway in general, such a sad society.

Pfft! I can assure you that being perfect is bloody hard work and generally a thankless task. But hey, give it a go one day...

i.stuart wrote:

In our club the ride leaders have been on a 'course', and as most of you well know, 4 riders 2 up is the size of a large car, 4 in a line is the length of 2 cars, resulting in the said driver being ‘out’ for less time.

There needs to be some discretion here to single out and let traffic past, also it seems that no one has told the drivers why on group rides its done, as its actually to help them most of the time.

The trouble is that what drivers and Mr Brus think is the alternative is that we'll all be so close to the edge of the road that they can squeeze past without caring whether a car is coming the other way. If a proper passing distance were actually enforced (or even taught and examined in the joke test) they might realise the benefits of two-up, but not before. Best solution this side of driverless cars  is make Bikeability 3 or equivalent a condition of holding a driving licence, and retest every 5 years.

oldstrath wrote:

i.stuart wrote:

In our club the ride leaders have been on a 'course', and as most of you well know, 4 riders 2 up is the size of a large car, 4 in a line is the length of 2 cars, resulting in the said driver being ‘out’ for less time.

There needs to be some discretion here to single out and let traffic past, also it seems that no one has told the drivers why on group rides its done, as its actually to help them most of the time.

The trouble is that what drivers and Mr Brus think is the alternative is that we'll all be so close to the edge of the road that they can squeeze past without caring whether a car is coming the other way. If a proper passing distance were actually enforced (or even taught and examined in the joke test) they might realise the benefits of two-up, but not before. Best solution this side of driverless cars  is make Bikeability 3 or equivalent a condition of holding a driving licence, and retest every 5 years.

If the road is wide enough for two lanes of traffic and single file cycles then why not? Otherwise as i.stuart says 2 up on narrower roads for group rides is just fine and your won't find any drivers complaining. Most riders I see do actually behave in this way, but there are always a small minorty who don't give a f*ck.

PRSboy wrote:

Its interesting to see the stats in sharp relief at the bottom of the page- only 93 fatalities on motorways vs 910 on rural roads.

Yet, I can'remember the last time I saw a speed trap on a rural road, vs the countless cameras I see on motorway bridges etc.

Its not the speed that kills on rural roads ... its the getting distracted by shouting at animals bit that usually gets you. 

nbrus wrote:

Its not the speed that kills on rural roads ... its the getting distracted by shouting at animals bit that usually gets you. 

Well this thread has really captured people's imaginations, truly it's grown a life of it's own.

I particuarly chuckled at Davels response to Leviathan at the top of page three, bonus internet arguing points for Davel, but they are taken away later on for calling him a 'sausage' on the next page..... and I learn'ed a new internet word... 'moton'. I had to ask my Mum if that was a real word and she did tell me that it were if I wanted it to be.. Yay 'New word Monday!' 

PRSboy wrote:

Its interesting to see the stats in sharp relief at the bottom of the page- only 93 fatalities on motorways vs 910 on rural roads.

Yet, I can'remember the last time I saw a speed trap on a rural road, vs the countless cameras I see on motorway bridges etc.

How many miles of motorways and how many miles of rural roads do you think? I bet the difference is far more than a factor of 10.
Only a number of fatalities per million miles travelled on each road type is meaningful.

wycombewheeler wrote:

PRSboy wrote:

Its interesting to see the stats in sharp relief at the bottom of the page- only 93 fatalities on motorways vs 910 on rural roads.

Yet, I can'remember the last time I saw a speed trap on a rural road, vs the countless cameras I see on motorway bridges etc.

How many miles of motorways and how many miles of rural roads do you think? I bet the difference is far more than a factor of 10. Only a number of fatalities per million miles travelled on each road type is meaningful.

2016 DfT figures showed around twice as many passenger miles on A roads than M-Ways.

jazzdude wrote:

As a motorist I find it very annoying and bad mannered of cyclists who do not move into single file to let me pass. If they are on a country road where they are probably travelling at one third of the speed limit, it is good etiquette to move over to let motor vehicles pass. This is if there are maybe two or four of them. If it's a large bunch then that's a different story. As a cyclist, if I am riding two abreast, I will always move over to let motor vehicles pass. It would be so rude not to. It's like deliberately blocking someone from passing you as a pedestrian. It's just not cricket.

 

I swore at a pheasant the other day as it bounced off of my windscreen.

What a bizarre thing to say. Will you pull over to let me through in my Ferrari Testarossa? Equally, I was drawn, as is unusual, to swear as a peasant bounced off the windescreen. No damage fortunately, to the car that is...

Let you pass? Who the fuck do you think you are?

jazzdude wrote:

As a motorist I find it very annoying and bad mannered of cyclists who do not move into single file to let me pass. If they are on a country road where they are probably travelling at one third of the speed limit, it is good etiquette to move over to let motor vehicles pass. This is if there are maybe two or four of them. If it's a large bunch then that's a different story. As a cyclist, if I am riding two abreast, I will always move over to let motor vehicles pass. It would be so rude not to. It's like deliberately blocking someone from passing you as a pedestrian. It's just not cricket.

 

I swore at a pheasant the other day as it bounced off of my windscreen.

Quite frequently on busy pavements and shopping centres it's not possible to pass slower walkers. I would NEVER expect a couple or family to move into single file to let me past. I would expect to wait a few moments until no one is coming the other way and go round them. That drivers expect this demonstrates the level of entitlement endemic in society. Well done chap you have acquired the financial means to obtain a motor vehicle you are now king of the road and all others should make way for you.

Remember police forces up and down the country are advising passing distances of 1.5m assume the cycles are single file 0.5m from the kerb, the far side of the car will be 3.9m from the kerb, but the typical lane width is less than that.

wycombewheeler wrote:

Quite frequently on busy pavements and shopping centres it's not possible to pass slower walkers. I would NEVER expect a couple or family to move into single file to let me past. I would expect to wait a few moments until no one is coming the other way and go round them. That drivers expect this demonstrates the level of entitlement endemic in society. Well done chap you have acquired the financial means to obtain a motor vehicle you are now king of the road and all others should make way for you. Remember police forces up and down the country are advising passing distances of 1.5m assume the cycles are single file 0.5m from the kerb, the far side of the car will be 3.9m from the kerb, but the typical lane width is less than that.

I'm not sure your analogy is fair. You are comparing pedestrians with pedestrians. In a shopping centre you can walk wherever you like as there aren't any desiginated lanes.

On the open road cars towing caravans, tractors and other slow moving vehicles will often pull in to a layby to let a backlog of traffic past. Normally cars don't slow down and pull in simply because a faster car is approaching from behind.

As regards drivers expectation of entitlement, that isn't true at all (ignoring the idiots) ... its more about allowing people to go about their business without getting in their way because you want to chat with your cycling chum. Its like not letting someone past you in a doorway because you haven't finished chatting with your friend, so they should be patient and wait a minute ... its just bad manners.

nbrus wrote:

wycombewheeler wrote:

Quite frequently on busy pavements and shopping centres it's not possible to pass slower walkers. I would NEVER expect a couple or family to move into single file to let me past. I would expect to wait a few moments until no one is coming the other way and go round them. That drivers expect this demonstrates the level of entitlement endemic in society. Well done chap you have acquired the financial means to obtain a motor vehicle you are now king of the road and all others should make way for you. Remember police forces up and down the country are advising passing distances of 1.5m assume the cycles are single file 0.5m from the kerb, the far side of the car will be 3.9m from the kerb, but the typical lane width is less than that.

I'm not sure your analogy is fair. You are comparing people with people, I agree that it's sad that some think they have a greater right to space than others, simply because they're driving. I think it is right that slower moving vehicles (caravans, cyclists and tractors etc.) get out of my way as they are slower moving but can't get my head around the fact that a faster car might want me to get out of their way. That's not fair. I think it's great that you've convinced your mate to come cycling with you, and as a fellow cyclist, I'm cool that you want to chat with them. We need more people on bikes, not fewer. I fully appreciate that some people move slower, it's the selfish cunts that I have issues with. pedestrians with pedestrians. In a shopping centre you can walk wherever you like as there aren't any desiginated lanes.

On the open road cars towing caravans, tractors and other slow moving vehicles will often pull in to a layby to let a backlog of traffic past. Normally cars don't slow down and pull in simply because a faster car is approaching from behind.

As regards drivers expectation of entitlement, that isn't true at all (ignoring the idiots) ... its more about allowing people to go about their business without getting in their way because you want to chat with your cycling chum. Its like not letting someone past you in a doorway because you haven't finished chatting with your friend, so they should be patient and wait a minute ... its just bad manners.

don simon wrote:

nbrus wrote:

wycombewheeler wrote:

Quite frequently on busy pavements and shopping centres it's not possible to pass slower walkers. I would NEVER expect a couple or family to move into single file to let me past. I would expect to wait a few moments until no one is coming the other way and go round them. That drivers expect this demonstrates the level of entitlement endemic in society. Well done chap you have acquired the financial means to obtain a motor vehicle you are now king of the road and all others should make way for you. Remember police forces up and down the country are advising passing distances of 1.5m assume the cycles are single file 0.5m from the kerb, the far side of the car will be 3.9m from the kerb, but the typical lane width is less than that.

I'm not sure your analogy is fair. You are comparing people with people, I agree that it's sad that some think they have a greater right to space than others, simply because they're driving. I think it is right that slower moving vehicles (caravans, cyclists and tractors etc.) get out of my way as they are slower moving but can't get my head around the fact that a faster car might want me to get out of their way. That's not fair. I think it's great that you've convinced your mate to come cycling with you, and as a fellow cyclist, I'm cool that you want to chat with them. We need more people on bikes, not fewer. I fully appreciate that some people move slower, it's the selfish cunts that I have issues with. pedestrians with pedestrians. In a shopping centre you can walk wherever you like as there aren't any desiginated lanes.

On the open road cars towing caravans, tractors and other slow moving vehicles will often pull in to a layby to let a backlog of traffic past. Normally cars don't slow down and pull in simply because a faster car is approaching from behind.

As regards drivers expectation of entitlement, that isn't true at all (ignoring the idiots) ... its more about allowing people to go about their business without getting in their way because you want to chat with your cycling chum. Its like not letting someone past you in a doorway because you haven't finished chatting with your friend, so they should be patient and wait a minute ... its just bad manners.

My, what a clever clogs you are ... 

It would be nice if you had something useful to add to the discussion other than attitude.

nbrus wrote:

wycombewheeler wrote:

Quite frequently on busy pavements and shopping centres it's not possible to pass slower walkers. I would NEVER expect a couple or family to move into single file to let me past. I would expect to wait a few moments until no one is coming the other way and go round them. That drivers expect this demonstrates the level of entitlement endemic in society. Well done chap you have acquired the financial means to obtain a motor vehicle you are now king of the road and all others should make way for you. Remember police forces up and down the country are advising passing distances of 1.5m assume the cycles are single file 0.5m from the kerb, the far side of the car will be 3.9m from the kerb, but the typical lane width is less than that.

I'm not sure your analogy is fair. You are comparing pedestrians with pedestrians. In a shopping centre you can walk wherever you like as there aren't any desiginated lanes.

On the open road cars towing caravans, tractors and other slow moving vehicles will often pull in to a layby to let a backlog of traffic past. Normally cars don't slow down and pull in simply because a faster car is approaching from behind.

As regards drivers expectation of entitlement, that isn't true at all (ignoring the idiots) ... its more about allowing people to go about their business without getting in their way because you want to chat with your cycling chum. Its like not letting someone past you in a doorway because you haven't finished chatting with your friend, so they should be patient and wait a minute ... its just bad manners.

Do you really believe the only reason for cycling two abreast is to chat? Or perhaps you think we do it just to upset the poor dear drivers? 

oldstrath wrote:

Do you really believe the only reason for cycling two abreast is to chat? Or perhaps you think we do it just to upset the poor dear drivers? 

Enlighten me please ... and I'm not talking about club runs forming a shorter group as that I can understand. Talking of which I suspect club runs would be much more annoying to drivers than two people cycling two-abreast. Club runs can be near impossible to overtake.

nbrus wrote:

wycombewheeler wrote:

Quite frequently on busy pavements and shopping centres it's not possible to pass slower walkers. I would NEVER expect a couple or family to move into single file to let me past. I would expect to wait a few moments until no one is coming the other way and go round them. That drivers expect this demonstrates the level of entitlement endemic in society. Well done chap you have acquired the financial means to obtain a motor vehicle you are now king of the road and all others should make way for you. Remember police forces up and down the country are advising passing distances of 1.5m assume the cycles are single file 0.5m from the kerb, the far side of the car will be 3.9m from the kerb, but the typical lane width is less than that.

I'm not sure your analogy is fair. You are comparing pedestrians with pedestrians. In a shopping centre you can walk wherever you like as there aren't any desiginated lanes.

On the open road cars towing caravans, tractors and other slow moving vehicles will often pull in to a layby to let a backlog of traffic past. Normally cars don't slow down and pull in simply because a faster car is approaching from behind.

As regards drivers expectation of entitlement, that isn't true at all (ignoring the idiots) ... its more about allowing people to go about their business without getting in their way because you want to chat with your cycling chum. Its like not letting someone past you in a doorway because you haven't finished chatting with your friend, so they should be patient and wait a minute ... its just bad manners.

Completely ignoring the fact that all they have to do to pass is cross the white line as they would for a car, tractor or horse. If they can't there is unlikely to be enough room to pass a single rider safely on the majority of rural roads which are not A roads.
You are advocating we facilitate or even encourage unsafe passing.
For your reference here is a safe overtake as demonstrated in the highway code (rule 163)
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/the-highway-code/using-the-road-159-to-203

wycombewheeler wrote:

Completely ignoring the fact that all they have to do to pass is cross the white line as they would for a car, tractor or horse. If they can't there is unlikely to be enough room to pass a single rider safely on the majority of rural roads which are not A roads. You are advocating we facilitate or even encourage unsafe passing. For your reference here is a safe overtake as demonstrated in the highway code (rule 163) https://www.gov.uk/guidance/the-highway-code/using-the-road-159-to-203

We all hate close passes and I remember one time when I was overtaken by a van on a road full of potholes and the van was less than 12 inches from my bars ... very scary, even at low speed. My mistake was leaving enough space for them to try and sneek through. Lesson learned.

If you are single file, then there will be more space between you and the overtaking vehicle. Some roads are wide enough to allow normal traffic flow without needing to move into the opposite lane to safely overtake a cyclist. On other roads it may be possible to safely overtake a cyclist while straddling the central white line (often even with oncoming traffic). This makes it a much faster manouver and much quicker to execute before oncoming traffic reaches you.

You are much more likely to encourage unsafe passes by making it more difficult for other vehicles to overtake because drivers will take more risks due to impatience.

nbrus wrote:

wycombewheeler wrote:

Quite frequently on busy pavements and shopping centres it's not possible to pass slower walkers. I would NEVER expect a couple or family to move into single file to let me past. I would expect to wait a few moments until no one is coming the other way and go round them. That drivers expect this demonstrates the level of entitlement endemic in society. Well done chap you have acquired the financial means to obtain a motor vehicle you are now king of the road and all others should make way for you. Remember police forces up and down the country are advising passing distances of 1.5m assume the cycles are single file 0.5m from the kerb, the far side of the car will be 3.9m from the kerb, but the typical lane width is less than that.

I'm not sure your analogy is fair. You are comparing pedestrians with pedestrians. In a shopping centre you can walk wherever you like as there aren't any desiginated lanes.

On the open road cars towing caravans, tractors and other slow moving vehicles will often pull in to a layby to let a backlog of traffic past. Normally cars don't slow down and pull in simply because a faster car is approaching from behind.

As regards drivers expectation of entitlement, that isn't true at all (ignoring the idiots) ... its more about allowing people to go about their business without getting in their way because you want to chat with your cycling chum. Its like not letting someone past you in a doorway because you haven't finished chatting with your friend, so they should be patient and wait a minute ... its just bad manners.

Well said, let others go about their business and being polite! For example, I am cycling solo up a long hill on a single laned narrow road doing less than 8 mph most likely. A car comes up behind me and I know it can't get passed, and the hill will take another 3 minutes. So I stop and put my left foot on the verge to let the car pass. The car is grateful and I haven't got an increasingly angry driver on my wheel! It is just an attitude to other road users and many cyclists are letting the rest down by just being arrogant and selfish!  

saladfunky wrote:

nbrus wrote:

wycombewheeler wrote:

Quite frequently on busy pavements and shopping centres it's not possible to pass slower walkers. I would NEVER expect a couple or family to move into single file to let me past. I would expect to wait a few moments until no one is coming the other way and go round them. That drivers expect this demonstrates the level of entitlement endemic in society. Well done chap you have acquired the financial means to obtain a motor vehicle you are now king of the road and all others should make way for you. Remember police forces up and down the country are advising passing distances of 1.5m assume the cycles are single file 0.5m from the kerb, the far side of the car will be 3.9m from the kerb, but the typical lane width is less than that.

I'm not sure your analogy is fair. You are comparing pedestrians with pedestrians. In a shopping centre you can walk wherever you like as there aren't any desiginated lanes.

On the open road cars towing caravans, tractors and other slow moving vehicles will often pull in to a layby to let a backlog of traffic past. Normally cars don't slow down and pull in simply because a faster car is approaching from behind.

As regards drivers expectation of entitlement, that isn't true at all (ignoring the idiots) ... its more about allowing people to go about their business without getting in their way because you want to chat with your cycling chum. Its like not letting someone past you in a doorway because you haven't finished chatting with your friend, so they should be patient and wait a minute ... its just bad manners.

Well said, let others go about their business and being polite! For example, I am cycling solo up a long hill on a single laned narrow road doing less than 8 mph most likely. A car comes up behind me and I know it can't get passed, and the hill will take another 3 minutes. So I stop and put my left foot on the verge to let the car pass. The car is grateful and I haven't got an increasingly angry driver on my wheel! It is just an attitude to other road users and many cyclists are letting the rest down by just being arrogant and selfish!  

I understand the point, but you seem to be suggesting to pull over in all circumstances. Sometimes it isn't practical and most of the time the car will be able to pass soon enough. Besides, what do you base your calculation of need to get ahead on? How fast the road user can go? How impatient they could get?

What if you were in a tractor and couldn't adequately pull over? What if there were 4 cyclists and one driver in the car behind? What if, like most car journeys, the lazy, impatient moton is making a pointless, polluting journey that could adequately be made in another form of transport?

You're making a load of judgements seemingly in a driver's favour just because they can go up a hill faster than you. But there are too many cars on the road causing too much death and pollution. Society needs cars off the road and meekly surrendering the road to them isn't going to help, is it?

saladfunky wrote:

nbrus wrote:

wycombewheeler wrote:

Quite frequently on busy pavements and shopping centres it's not possible to pass slower walkers. I would NEVER expect a couple or family to move into single file to let me past. I would expect to wait a few moments until no one is coming the other way and go round them. That drivers expect this demonstrates the level of entitlement endemic in society. Well done chap you have acquired the financial means to obtain a motor vehicle you are now king of the road and all others should make way for you. Remember police forces up and down the country are advising passing distances of 1.5m assume the cycles are single file 0.5m from the kerb, the far side of the car will be 3.9m from the kerb, but the typical lane width is less than that.

I'm not sure your analogy is fair. You are comparing pedestrians with pedestrians. In a shopping centre you can walk wherever you like as there aren't any desiginated lanes.

On the open road cars towing caravans, tractors and other slow moving vehicles will often pull in to a layby to let a backlog of traffic past. Normally cars don't slow down and pull in simply because a faster car is approaching from behind.

As regards drivers expectation of entitlement, that isn't true at all (ignoring the idiots) ... its more about allowing people to go about their business without getting in their way because you want to chat with your cycling chum. Its like not letting someone past you in a doorway because you haven't finished chatting with your friend, so they should be patient and wait a minute ... its just bad manners.

Well said, let others go about their business and being polite! For example, I am cycling solo up a long hill on a single laned narrow road doing less than 8 mph most likely. A car comes up behind me and I know it can't get passed, and the hill will take another 3 minutes. So I stop and put my left foot on the verge to let the car pass. The car is grateful and I haven't got an increasingly angry driver on my wheel! It is just an attitude to other road users and many cyclists are letting the rest down by just being arrogant and selfish!  

You would pull over and stop halfway up a long hill to let a car pass? While that's very generous, halfway up a long hill is probably the last place I'd consider stopping, tbh. And I think you must be wearing rose tinted glasses if you think that the motorist would be *grateful*; remember, it's their right to get you the  tax dodging cyclist out of the way, just their right, nothing to be grateful for since you're just doing what you should have done. I hope you also doff your cap as they pass...?

saladfunky wrote:

nbrus wrote:

wycombewheeler wrote:

Quite frequently on busy pavements and shopping centres it's not possible to pass slower walkers. I would NEVER expect a couple or family to move into single file to let me past. I would expect to wait a few moments until no one is coming the other way and go round them. That drivers expect this demonstrates the level of entitlement endemic in society. Well done chap you have acquired the financial means to obtain a motor vehicle you are now king of the road and all others should make way for you. Remember police forces up and down the country are advising passing distances of 1.5m assume the cycles are single file 0.5m from the kerb, the far side of the car will be 3.9m from the kerb, but the typical lane width is less than that.

I'm not sure your analogy is fair. You are comparing pedestrians with pedestrians. In a shopping centre you can walk wherever you like as there aren't any desiginated lanes.

On the open road cars towing caravans, tractors and other slow moving vehicles will often pull in to a layby to let a backlog of traffic past. Normally cars don't slow down and pull in simply because a faster car is approaching from behind.

As regards drivers expectation of entitlement, that isn't true at all (ignoring the idiots) ... its more about allowing people to go about their business without getting in their way because you want to chat with your cycling chum. Its like not letting someone past you in a doorway because you haven't finished chatting with your friend, so they should be patient and wait a minute ... its just bad manners.

Well said, let others go about their business and being polite! For example, I am cycling solo up a long hill on a single laned narrow road doing less than 8 mph most likely. A car comes up behind me and I know it can't get passed, and the hill will take another 3 minutes. So I stop and put my left foot on the verge to let the car pass. The car is grateful and I haven't got an increasingly angry driver on my wheel! It is just an attitude to other road users and many cyclists are letting the rest down by just being arrogant and selfish!  

First, why do you think it so vital to permit the driver to pass? Unless you're in the way of an emergency vehicle, a three minute wait is unlikely to male any real difference to anyone's life. You're just encouraging the eejit in his or her impatience. 

Second, if you're going to talk about arrogance and selfishness, most of that lies with the person using a tonne or so of metal and burning fossil fuel to move one body around.

Finally, what's with the nonsense about 'letting the rest down'? When did you, or anyone else, last write that motorists who speed, or text while driving, or jump red lights, are "letting the rest down"? 

saladfunky wrote:

Well said, let others go about their business and being polite! For example, I am cycling solo up a long hill on a single laned narrow road doing less than 8 mph most likely. A car comes up behind me and I know it can't get passed, and the hill will take another 3 minutes. So I stop and put my left foot on the verge to let the car pass. The car is grateful and I haven't got an increasingly angry driver on my wheel! It is just an attitude to other road users and many cyclists are letting the rest down by just being arrogant and selfish!  

Given some of the responses on this thread it would appear that it is totally impossible for a cyclist to be inconsiderate as that only applies to motorists.

nbrus wrote:

saladfunky wrote:

Well said, let others go about their business and being polite! For example, I am cycling solo up a long hill on a single laned narrow road doing less than 8 mph most likely. A car comes up behind me and I know it can't get passed, and the hill will take another 3 minutes. So I stop and put my left foot on the verge to let the car pass. The car is grateful and I haven't got an increasingly angry driver on my wheel! It is just an attitude to other road users and many cyclists are letting the rest down by just being arrogant and selfish!  

Given some of the responses on this thread it would appear that it is totally impossible for a cyclist to be inconsiderate as that only applies to motorists.

Maybe that's because riding a bicycle is inherently considerate e.g. consider the environment, consider air pollution, consider how much space you're taking up on the road etc.

hawkinspeter wrote:

nbrus wrote:

saladfunky wrote:

Well said, let others go about their business and being polite! For example, I am cycling solo up a long hill on a single laned narrow road doing less than 8 mph most likely. A car comes up behind me and I know it can't get passed, and the hill will take another 3 minutes. So I stop and put my left foot on the verge to let the car pass. The car is grateful and I haven't got an increasingly angry driver on my wheel! It is just an attitude to other road users and many cyclists are letting the rest down by just being arrogant and selfish!  

Given some of the responses on this thread it would appear that it is totally impossible for a cyclist to be inconsiderate as that only applies to motorists.

Maybe that's because riding a bicycle is inherently considerate e.g. consider the environment, consider air pollution, consider how much space you're taking up on the road etc.

(won't somebody please) consider the children!

It does seem however that cycling does have it's fair share of people who become fixated on a target, reducing any sense of self awareness and turning them into blinkered anally retentive borderline obsessives - it gives internet thread posters a bad name, letting the rest down by just being arrogant and selfish!

(no names mentioned - to protect the innocent)

hawkinspeter wrote:

nbrus wrote:

saladfunky wrote:

Well said, let others go about their business and being polite! For example, I am cycling solo up a long hill on a single laned narrow road doing less than 8 mph most likely. A car comes up behind me and I know it can't get passed, and the hill will take another 3 minutes. So I stop and put my left foot on the verge to let the car pass. The car is grateful and I haven't got an increasingly angry driver on my wheel! It is just an attitude to other road users and many cyclists are letting the rest down by just being arrogant and selfish!  

Given some of the responses on this thread it would appear that it is totally impossible for a cyclist to be inconsiderate as that only applies to motorists.

Maybe that's because riding a bicycle is inherently considerate e.g. consider the environment, consider air pollution, consider how much space you're taking up on the road etc.

All true, but I would argue that most of us that take up cycling don't do so for those reasons.