road.cc live blog: BBC guest likens cyclists to Nazis, big Black Friday deals and more
It’s ages since someone in the media compared cyclists to Nazis. No, hang on…
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Surreyrider 29 minutes ago
@wtjs Try Surrey!
mdavidford 1 hour ago
I refer the Honourable Squirrel to the discussion of August 31st in Another Place.
mitsky 2 hours ago
@Smoggysteve Based on the clip being old, having been reported on previously with no apparent new information making it worth re-reporting now, and the "reporters" knowing what the resulting online commentary would be... Could they be sued/tried for incitement to violence?
bensynnock 2 hours ago
Highway code rule 182 specifically says to look out for vehicles coming up from behind when turning left. The van also did not indicate. The arrow on the road doesn't remove those requirements from the van driver, just because he has to turn left doesn't mean it isn't a left turn. Also rule 170 says: Take extra care at junctions. You should watch out for cyclists etc. Still, I would have expected the van driver to completely ignore the rules of the road and held back until after the junction.
chrisonabike 2 hours ago
Was it that famous cricketer, Washington Irving, who wrote about those dystopian conflicts on the world pitch, or the spinner of tales Irving Washington?
wtjs 2 hours ago
I ought to point out that mdavidford was well aware when he wrote 'Orson Welles'- he was referring to the other topic: ttps://road.cc/offroad/feature/the-revolution-and-evolution-of-xc-how-cross-country-racing-has-changed-in-the-uk-and-beyond#comments
leedorney 2 hours ago
The cyclist was wrong to carry on thru with that turn, he asked for that
chrisonabike 2 hours ago
@mattw indeed. But ... ... "levelling the playing field" actions are themselves surprisingly difficult to target to the desired demographic - without everyone else piling in. The "mainstream" of people just trying to find the easier / cheaper way is large. And humans have some very particular senses of "fair". If some of the barriers to use of something are removed (eg. stigma) the choice landscape may change for everyone. At which point those who have more needs may get elbowed out of the queue again by the majority. Or the shared resource may just be overused. An example from NL are the rules around microcars (eg. Cantas) which can use cycle paths and are free from some other rules for motor vehicles. These are apparently being exploited by others for whom this provision was not intended (as a "free / more available parking" wheeze). Of course that might still be an improvement on the status quo of them driving motor vehicles! But a big increase in microcars would impact cyclists and indeed wheelchair users of the paths though. Hence my comment about cars: as soon as any reduction in motoring convenience is mooted we already see "selective concern" for those with visual impairments / disabilities... ("but what about taxis for the blind / but old people will be trapped in their homes...")
chrisonabike 3 hours ago
@Jack Sexty thanks for the quality control. There would still be a few takers if you went in the more ... artistic direction of course (for those of us who recall Boatsie).
27 thoughts on “road.cc live blog: BBC guest likens cyclists to Nazis, big Black Friday deals and more”
Given the evils that the
Given the evils that the Nazis actually did in WWII, it’s an insult to the victims that this troll is making such a vapid connection. He should be ashamed. But he probably doesn’t have sufficient intelligence to understand why.
George loves to cause a fuss.
George loves to cause a fuss. If it’s not commenting on a rape victim: “Is there no blame now to the person who puts themselves in danger?” it’s Nazism and cyclists. Fully discredited yet still given airtime
I try to use this word
I try to use this word sparingly, but what a fucktard.
MonkeyPuzzle wrote:
I was thinking more…
CygnusX1 wrote:
Kudos!!
Distasteful and adds more
Distasteful and adds more insult to injury after yesterday’s incident with a cyclist here in NI.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-northern-ireland-42008898
aries2580 wrote:
Truly shocking, I hope the young man is recovering.
Nolan Live is particularly
Nolan Live is particularly spiteful show. They specialize in bringing experts in to the panel & then ignoring them to give the crazies a run-out. Cannon fodder to make sure that his early morning radio show here in Norn Iron (The biggest show in the country as he likes to remind you every 9 minutes) gets lots of traffic with people ranting about what they saw the night before. Instant switch-off material. His bias makes me sick.
Time to make a complaint to
Time to make a complaint to the BBC I think.
Can’t have dickheads like this being paid out of the license fee.
Comparing cyclists to Nazis
Comparing cyclists to Nazis is somewhat ironic. Hitler hated cyclists with a vengeance and was very much a supporter of cars instead (especially VolksWagen). You can quite easily draw the parallels between Nazi philosophy and the “might is right” philosophy out on the roads.
Is that supposed to be a nazi
Is that supposed to be a nazi salute in the photo?
Just submitted a complaint to
Just submitted a complaint to the BBC about it. Absolutely disgusting that they broadcast that kind of hate speech.
hawkinspeter wrote:
I’m thinking of making a complaint to the police, it is indeed a hate crime and one that was allowed to be aired on a public funded channel, absolutely disgraceful!
BehindTheBikesheds wrote:
Nice idea, I’ve just filled in a hate-speech crime report.
Why was George given airtime,
Why was George given airtime, and why is he not being arrested for hatecrime?
What a horrible scumbag. He’s
What a horrible scumbag. He’s the type of person you’ll never have a reasoned argument with, it’s his way or the highway.
I always have to think when I
I always have to think when I see/hear people make comments similar to what that old grumpy looking bloke said.
Replace the word cyclist with another minority group (homosexuals, muslims, jews, etc.etc.), if it makes you sound like a right-wing psychopath – probably best not to say it.
It just seems that a lot of the general public deem it acceptable to voice what is essentially hate speech.
The silly old fool (who is I
The silly old fool (who is I suspect younger than me!) Is the very image of the old buffers that hoot at me as they pass after deeming that my failure to ride through the pot holes at the side of road, has impeeded their progress by a few seconds! A blow hard with too little brain and far too much access to the mass media is best ignored.
Getting quite militant here
Getting quite militant here of late!
@ BTBS – you posted an image of a letter from one of the schools implementing the licence plate policy in the comments Are you Road.cc’s source of the story and/or a parent/carer of one of the pupils ?
If so, Sam Jones (Campaigns & Communicaions Coordinator) at Cycling UK would like to hear from you… campaigns [at] cyclinguk [dot] org
CygnusX1 wrote:
Sadly I’m not otherwise I’d be all over it like a rash, it took only a couple of minutes dectective work to find the newsletter in the public domain and that Mr ‘do as i say otherwise you will be punished’ had taken up the headmaster’s position at beacon school from the ‘parent’ Glyn school (of which they are part of group of schools funded together) which had previously enforced the number plate/helmet rules (from at least April) where he was deputy head.
The link between the two schools and the sudden rules change whilst he has come into power is there to see.
You represent the Islamic
You represent the Islamic community, who break every known law of the land, for whom women mean nothing, for whom personal freedom means nothing, for whom pubs mean nothing, for whom religious freedom means nothing. There is an entitlement among the fanatics – and they are, they are fanatics.
OR
You represent the cycling community, who break every known law of the road, for whom red lights mean nothing, for whom pedestrian crossings mean nothing, for whom one-way streets mean nothing, for whom pedestrian ways mean nothing. There is an entitlement among the fanatics – and they are, they are fanatics.
Try posting the first quote on a BBC comments page and if it doesn’t get moderated into outer space I would be amazed AND infuriated. But what’s the difference between quote one and quote two?
If you haven’t already, you
If you haven’t already, you may like to read Peter Walker’s piece in the Guardian:
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/bike-blog/2017/nov/17/why-are-cyclists-the-one-minority-group-the-bbc-feels-its-ok-to-demonise
ricardito wrote:
exactly the same comments, on both sides, as you’d get in a DM comments section. Only difference being that the Guardian readers all have a thesaurus, and know how to use it.
Well, they knew what Hook was
Well, they knew what Hook was like before they invited him, so some clown in the Nolan show team really neefs the kicking. George’s brain is probably too mashed to notice any more.
oldstrath wrote:
This.
And take note that the Nolan Show was actively engaging in promoting hatred against cyslists: Hook’s own statement is that he went there under the impression he was to be given airtime as part of an “anti-cycling” viewpoint. What sort of cynical, lazy stupid fucks are the showrunner, host, producer and commissioning editor?
Haters hate; if they aren’t
Haters hate; if they aren’t allowed by law to hate because of sex, religion or skin colour, they’ll just have to hate those it’s legal to hate; cyclists.
He’s just a sad old man who only knows how to hate.
I personally met Mr Hook
I personally met Mr Hook recently, sat him down and had a friendly chat.
It was friendly until I told him I was an avid cyclist and asked if he might tone down his comments as a media voice that had the effect of making it more dangerous for me to ride my bike.
He went a little red in the face but I persevered and invited him to come cycling with me and my fellow club mates so he could get a new perspective and maybe see my point of view. He took my phone number and said he would call to arrange.
I’m still waiting Mr Hook, when you have the guts, you have my number.