The Reform Party and the UK’s lurch towards fascism

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    David9694

    I posted an earlier version of this a while back – inspired to do update following THAT discussion about all things ULEZ. 

    The “manifesto”, in terms of transport, only mentions stopping HS2, but there’s plenty on the usual right-wing obsessions: Brexit, immigration, veterans and climate change.  I had another look because I worry about the ongoing decline of the two main political parties. 

    If the Cons stay wedded to Brexit, then we will go into the next GE with all the widespread impoverishment Brexit has ushered in – not helped by Covid, Putin, etc. People generally vote according to their pockets.  I don’t get Labour’s current position on Europe either, but let’s see how that evolves, and even the Cons may also evolve, or even pivot, but time is already running out for them.

    Several roads now lead to the horrors of a further lurch to the right in this country.  Let’s hope Labour get the GE landslide the polls are predicting – but we’re still at least a year out from the real campaigning beginning. 

    A cycling angle? With the Reform Party and its ilk, Facebook Steve and Nextdoor Dave attain real political influence. It’s not spelt out in the manifesto, but you can see where this is probably heading and what it is likely to mean for cycling.  You can bet that this lot are very much “on the side of hard working drivers” etc. 

    As you all know, Dave’s going to “sort the traffic” and no doubt show them lazy planners how it’s done: Steve thinks the Council are corrupt, the police blinkered and is, if he can fit it in to his busy schedule he’s going to “teach them Lycra’s a thing or two.” It won’t concern him that his Mondeo is 3 months out of MoT or that Mrs Steve sometimes drives the kids in it uninsured. 

    As vulnerable road users, vulnerable people, we rely a great deal on the rule of law for protection. The rule of law means that we understand what the laws are, they are in general fair, and how they are applied and to whom is even-handed and consistent. 

    The fascist position is broadly the opposite – it’s all off-the-cuff to support today’s particular agenda – that’s why the Iain Duncan-Smith “happy to see ULEZ infra vandalised” comment is, as an example, so very worrying.  In the Conservatives, here is a party happy to send signals to enable the mob to attack RNLI stations, beat up immigrants, shout at teachers, doctors etc. 

    This right-wing stuff works by allowing/enabling significant privileged groups to to think of themselves as the downtrodden underdog and here is a way to fight back.  The pro Brexit campaign played on people’s ignorance, fears and prejudices exactly as this does. 

    It’s all about freedom, innit, less regulation, less tax burden, and damn the climate.  There’s more polar bears now, so it’s fine.  Let’s have open-cast coal mining, lithium mining and fracking. The section on climate change stumbles around like a Friday night drunk, trying to explain he wasn’t being racist to the barman – a denier position emerges, unsurprisingly.

    In places, the mask really slips: “We must keep divisive woke ideologies such as Critical Race Theory (CRT) and gender ideology out of the classroom.” – to be honest, I don’t even know what those two are.

    The standard enemies are put up – the civil service, the BBC.  Amid all the thrust and parry, there’s nothing  about making a better, more inclusive and cohesive world to live in; arts, sports and culture don’t feature in this barstool view of the world: a dullard’s grim vision.

    Don’t be a member of the wrong sort of minority would be my advice, should any of this come to pass. 
     

    https://www.reformparty.uk/reformisessential

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    chrisonabike
    mdavidford wrote:
    …a pdfile warlord…

    …subjugating everyone with their army of savage ebooks.

    Adobe-wallah?  Cleaning up people’s laundry poorly-laid-out texts?

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    mdavidford

    Quote:

    …a pdfile warlord…

    …subjugating everyone with their army of savage ebooks.

    #1017015
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    Hirsute

    ” Reform UK Twitter is still

    ” Reform UK Twitter is still having a bit of a meltdown about the Zia Yusuf Chair news. “

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GSRPdT2XoAEYAAj?format=jpg&name=medium

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    David9694

    Welcome to The Reform Party

    Welcome to The Reform Party and the UK’s lurch towards fascism. I guess the title has had the desired effect. 

    Google “Overton Window” – until this week, we had normalised things that would have been distinctly right-wing not so long ago. 

    The story now is of the hollowed-out (post-Johnston) remnants of the Conservative Party meeting together and sounding like a group of economic anc historical fruit-loops the equivalent of the so-called Looney Left. Feel free to drive yourselves ever further into unelectable irrelevance, guys.

    Meanwhile, I’m not seeing anything from the “wet” end of the Conservatives – maybe their ground old ground has been stolen by Labour? 

     

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    mdavidford

    lonpfrb wrote:

    lonpfrb wrote:
    Whilst one may disagree with NF, there’s no suggestion that freedom of speech is at risk in the UK

    Well, unless it’s your freedom to discuss gender issues or history through a racial lens in schools…

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    lonpfrb

    Click bait title, but that’s
    Click bait title, but that’s your freedom of speech, I suppose.

    The far right is the Project 2025 of US MAGA Republicans who plan to make a fascist dictatorship for #45 who will be a dictator, revoke the Constitution, remove power from the Legislature and Judiciary to concentrate power in the Executive in other words, him. He has no interest in citizens rights or freedom.

    “I don’t care about you, I just want your vote.” Donald Trump 6/9/24

    Whilst one may disagree with NF, there’s no suggestion that freedom of speech is at risk in the UK like it is in USA.

    “UK’s lurch towards fascism” is not accurate. Conservatives split into Lib Dems and Reform is more accurate. Lib Dems got the most seats and Reform the least, so a net move left.

    Though I can’t prove this, I suspect that the FSB is working hard to undermine democracy in all sovereign nations who oppose the terrorist state and its illegal war in Ukraine. Isolationist attitudes undermine the alliances that support peace and prosperity so that the terrorist state can be held accountable.

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    chrisonabike

    Rich_cb wrote:

    Rich_cb wrote:
    I believe there was turnout of 72% for a certain vote in 2016 too. Interesting that the large turnouts seem to coincide with the biggest ideological differences between the main parties.

    Indeed but that would not be a general election… the 2017 general election featured Brexit but not as much as 2019: turnouts 68.8% and 67.5% respectively.  Referendums vary, only 42% for the Alternative Vote one, arguably almost as important although the significance likely seemed a lot less to many…

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    lonpfrb

    Not forgetting the Reform
    Not forgetting the Reform plan to ignore Nett Zero.
    No environment, no cycle..

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    lonpfrb

    brooksby wrote:

    brooksby wrote:

    David9694 wrote:
    Mr Farage said: “There is a massive gap on the centre-right of British politics and my job is to fill it.”

    He thinks that he is centre right, does he? 


    The far right is the Project 2025 of US MAGA Republicans who plan to make a fascist dictatorship for #45 who plans to be a dictator, revoke the Constitution, remove power from the legislature and judiciary to concentrate power in the executive in other words, him. He has no interest in citizens rights or freedom.

    Whilst one may disagree with NF, there’s no suggestion that freedom of speech is at risk in the UK like it is in USA, along with abortion, IVF, contraception and women’s health generally…

    Making loyalty to the glorious leader more important than competence in government is fully crazy Kim Jong Un style dictatorship, with retribution for the disloyal, too..

    Way to the right of deluded..

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    Rich_cb

    I believe there was turnout
    I believe there was turnout of 72% for a certain vote in 2016 too.

    Interesting that the large turnouts seem to coincide with the biggest ideological differences between the main parties.

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    ktache

    The lib dems are very good at

    The lib dems are very good at targeting, helped as Rich points out, with tactical voting. 

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    chrisonabike

    Seems folk haven’t been that

    Seems folk haven’t been that bothered since the last century really…

    https://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/CBP-8060/CBP-8060.pdf

    High points in last 50 years:

    1992 (Major vs. Kinnoch) 77.67%

    Feb 1974 Wilson vs. Heath 78.8%

    2019 “Get Brexit done” Johnson vs. Corby 67.52%

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    Rich_cb

    I don’t buy that at all.
    I don’t buy that at all.

    Labour’s vote share was likely affected by tactical voting in Lib Dem/Conservative marginals but really low turnouts and really low voter share don’t occur if the public are genuinely enthused by a party.

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    mdavidford
    exilegareth wrote:
    There’s no such thing as raw votes

    I’m pretty sure I remember making a mark on a piece of paper and dropping it in a box. My understanding is those bits of paper then get counted to decide who won.

    exhilarated wrote:
    all the numbers are a function of party activity. Labour chose to prioritize getting their vote out in target seats, not all seats. […] activity by parties changes all the numbers.

    Enthusiasm is a function of that activity; votes are an indication of that enthusiasm.

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    exilegareth
    mdavidford wrote:
    If you want to make an argument about enthusiasm, focusing on vote share is probably missing the wood for the trees. Look at raw votes – the number of people voting for Labour was down on what it was at the last election, so at the least we can say that enthusiasm for them is less now than it was then.

    (Same goes for the Lib Dems, btw)

    Of course, by that reckoning there was less than half as much enthusiasm for Reform as there was for Labour, though.

    There’s no such thing as raw votes; all the numbers are a function of party activity. Labour chose to prioritize getting their vote out in target seats, not all seats. On polling day I was coming down the road from Prospect Hill (National Hill Climb course 2017 – cycling link) into a leafy suburb in a safe Tory seat. I encountered Labour GOTV doorknockers who’ve never previously been seen there for any election – mainly because they were a mix of party staff and activists bussed in from Newcastle, where Labour was confident of victory. There is no such thing as raw data, and activity by parties changes all the numbers.

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