The Reform Party and the UK’s lurch towards fascism

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    David9694

    I posted an earlier version of this a while back – inspired to do update following THAT discussion about all things ULEZ. 

    The “manifesto”, in terms of transport, only mentions stopping HS2, but there’s plenty on the usual right-wing obsessions: Brexit, immigration, veterans and climate change.  I had another look because I worry about the ongoing decline of the two main political parties. 

    If the Cons stay wedded to Brexit, then we will go into the next GE with all the widespread impoverishment Brexit has ushered in – not helped by Covid, Putin, etc. People generally vote according to their pockets.  I don’t get Labour’s current position on Europe either, but let’s see how that evolves, and even the Cons may also evolve, or even pivot, but time is already running out for them.

    Several roads now lead to the horrors of a further lurch to the right in this country.  Let’s hope Labour get the GE landslide the polls are predicting – but we’re still at least a year out from the real campaigning beginning. 

    A cycling angle? With the Reform Party and its ilk, Facebook Steve and Nextdoor Dave attain real political influence. It’s not spelt out in the manifesto, but you can see where this is probably heading and what it is likely to mean for cycling.  You can bet that this lot are very much “on the side of hard working drivers” etc. 

    As you all know, Dave’s going to “sort the traffic” and no doubt show them lazy planners how it’s done: Steve thinks the Council are corrupt, the police blinkered and is, if he can fit it in to his busy schedule he’s going to “teach them Lycra’s a thing or two.” It won’t concern him that his Mondeo is 3 months out of MoT or that Mrs Steve sometimes drives the kids in it uninsured. 

    As vulnerable road users, vulnerable people, we rely a great deal on the rule of law for protection. The rule of law means that we understand what the laws are, they are in general fair, and how they are applied and to whom is even-handed and consistent. 

    The fascist position is broadly the opposite – it’s all off-the-cuff to support today’s particular agenda – that’s why the Iain Duncan-Smith “happy to see ULEZ infra vandalised” comment is, as an example, so very worrying.  In the Conservatives, here is a party happy to send signals to enable the mob to attack RNLI stations, beat up immigrants, shout at teachers, doctors etc. 

    This right-wing stuff works by allowing/enabling significant privileged groups to to think of themselves as the downtrodden underdog and here is a way to fight back.  The pro Brexit campaign played on people’s ignorance, fears and prejudices exactly as this does. 

    It’s all about freedom, innit, less regulation, less tax burden, and damn the climate.  There’s more polar bears now, so it’s fine.  Let’s have open-cast coal mining, lithium mining and fracking. The section on climate change stumbles around like a Friday night drunk, trying to explain he wasn’t being racist to the barman – a denier position emerges, unsurprisingly.

    In places, the mask really slips: “We must keep divisive woke ideologies such as Critical Race Theory (CRT) and gender ideology out of the classroom.” – to be honest, I don’t even know what those two are.

    The standard enemies are put up – the civil service, the BBC.  Amid all the thrust and parry, there’s nothing  about making a better, more inclusive and cohesive world to live in; arts, sports and culture don’t feature in this barstool view of the world: a dullard’s grim vision.

    Don’t be a member of the wrong sort of minority would be my advice, should any of this come to pass. 
     

    https://www.reformparty.uk/reformisessential

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    chrisonabike

    I feel tempted to say

    I feel tempted to say “Welcome to the Reform Party and the UK’s lurch towards fascism” but it’s not my thread!

    Can’t decide whether Reform having a (tiny) foot in the door is fine (now in theory they can’t claim to be “shut down by the powers that be” – of course this in fact won’t stop them as Farage was decrying that for years while basking in more airtime than almost anyone)

    … or concerning, as now they’ll have more leverage to worry the socially conservative parties into even more conservative policies?  (I suspect rich_cb’s prediction will prove correct – that there will be a Tory Timewarp – “It’s just a lurch to the right, then a step to the left, take your head from your hands, and whip MPs in tight…”  Realising that if they moderate the “swivel-eyed loons” a bit (just the odd dog-whistle) they can be back in power once “events” get to the current government / populace grows restive again).

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    wycombewheeler
    David9694 wrote:
    Not sure the recent Trump shooting incident is quite the clincher it’s being played as  – like what new supporters does it bring? Sure, if you’re already frothing this will play into your narrative. 

    lets say there are 4 camps of voters

    • Trump fanatics
    • Republicans who dislike trump
    • Democrats not keen on Biden
    • Biden supporters

    The attempt may push group 2 to be more likely to vote, which could swing the numbers

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    David9694

    I see we have a running mate

    I see we have a running mate now – brilliant. It must have been like this in Europe in the 1930s, watching a country risk descending into this madness and seemingly nothing to put the brakes on.

    I’ve lost track of what Trump stands for now, like what he wants to be different in the world if he (God spare us) wins in a few months’ time.  

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    Rendel Harris
    David9694 wrote:
    They do know he isn’t the President, right? 

    I don’t think it matters so much in this context, as a former president and candidate for the next presidency an attack on him is still seen as an attack on the office of president. Americans also have much more respect for their former leaders than we generally do as well, I don’t think anyone would consider addressing Liz Truss or Boris Johnson as “prime minister” now but even though it’s technically incorrect it’s very much commonplace for anyone who has held the office of president to be addressed as “Mr. President” for the rest of their lives.

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    David9694

    They do know he isn’t the

    They do know he isn’t the President, right? 

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    brooksby
    Rendel Harris wrote:
    David9694 wrote:
    Not sure the recent Trump shooting incident is quite the clincher it’s being played as  – like what new supporters does it bring?

    I wouldn’t be so sure, I was discussing this with an American friend (well, an English friend who has lived in America nearly 30 years) and he thought that it would have a significant impact because of the respect Americans have for the office of President, regardless of the holder, something akin to the respect that (bewilderingly) the majority of Britons still have for the monarchy. An attack on a president/former president/presidential candidate is seen as an attack on the office itself and (in my friend’s opinion) a lot of wavering voters could move Trumpwards not so much in support of him but in support of the office he has represented.

    I’m not sure that “the office he has represented” is quite how Trump and the Presidency work together. 

    “The office he besmirched”?  “The office he sh*t all over”?  “The office he corrupted and used for the good of himself and his friends’n’relations”?  Maybe those descriptions work better…

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    Rendel Harris
    David9694 wrote:
    Not sure the recent Trump shooting incident is quite the clincher it’s being played as  – like what new supporters does it bring?

    I wouldn’t be so sure, I was discussing this with an American friend (well, an English friend who has lived in America nearly 30 years) and he thought that it would have a significant impact because of the respect Americans have for the office of President, regardless of the holder, something akin to the respect that (bewilderingly) the majority of Britons still have for the monarchy. An attack on a president/former president/presidential candidate is seen as an attack on the office itself and (in my friend’s opinion) a lot of wavering voters could move Trumpwards not so much in support of him but in support of the office he has represented.

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    David9694

    Not sure the recent Trump

    Not sure the recent Trump shooting incident is quite the clincher it’s being played as  – like what new supporters does it bring? Sure, if you’re already frothing this will play into your narrative. 

    Another grim prospect for the world and not least isolated Brexit Britain is Trump 2025 – 4 years of the US at best flakey and inconsistent on foreign policy (e.g. western Europe/ NATO, Ukraine/ Taiwan) and wracked by internal conflict.  

    The US government’s job, so far as big business is concerned, is to provide them a suitable trading environment – what he appears to stand for doesn’t sound conducive to that. 

     

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    chrisonabike

    This was actually the truth –
    This was actually the truth – enthusiasm was so high * that many went and voted for the candidate twice or more!

    * Among state employees like the military, the police, the “organs of state security” and anyone not wanting to lose their employment or pension in the near future.

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    brooksby

    chrisonabike wrote:

    chrisonabike wrote:
    David9694 wrote:

    If a new system of voting could drive up the 60% turnout, I’d listen.

    Apparently the Russian and North Korean ones see high turnout… Isn’t it an offence not to in Australia? “Don’t like any of us? That’ll cost you…” Although I believe you can just “spoil your ballot”.

    I seem to recall that the last election in Russia had a turnout of about 120%

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    chrisonabike

    David9694 wrote:

    David9694 wrote:

    If a new system of voting could drive up the 60% turnout, I’d listen.


    Apparently the Russian and North Korean ones see high turnout…

    Isn’t it an offence not to in Australia? “Don’t like any of us? That’ll cost you…” Although I believe you can just “spoil your ballot”.

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    David9694

    If a new system of voting

    If a new system of voting could drive up the 60% turnout, I’d listen.

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    Bigfoz

    We had an undiscussed and non

    We had an undiscussed and non promoed vote on a single flavour of PR voting. It was a coalition requirement from the LibDems and the Tories did it whle refusing to support it and actively campaigning against it. What we need is a mature discussion of forms of PR and a decision as to which best suits our democracy. PR for Holyrood works quite well, being designed to allow all parties a reasonable shot at seats. Personally I feel we also need a proper written and agreed constitution as opposed to one written on 50million sheets of deer arse held in an underground vault…

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    David9694

    Trust me John Paine, you are

    And here’s your problem when you’ve founded your movement on hate and lies, it’s jolly hard to know what the rules actually are, and to make it more complicated still such rules as there may be are likely to be different to last week’s. 

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    perce

    Most of those comments manage

    Most of those comments manage to be sad and funny at the same time. I particularly liked ” it’s a faith that conquers and takes over land”. A bit like the christian crusades then. And I wonder how many people who say this is a christian country actually attend church?

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