The Reform Party and the UK’s lurch towards fascism

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    David9694

    I posted an earlier version of this a while back – inspired to do update following THAT discussion about all things ULEZ. 

    The “manifesto”, in terms of transport, only mentions stopping HS2, but there’s plenty on the usual right-wing obsessions: Brexit, immigration, veterans and climate change.  I had another look because I worry about the ongoing decline of the two main political parties. 

    If the Cons stay wedded to Brexit, then we will go into the next GE with all the widespread impoverishment Brexit has ushered in – not helped by Covid, Putin, etc. People generally vote according to their pockets.  I don’t get Labour’s current position on Europe either, but let’s see how that evolves, and even the Cons may also evolve, or even pivot, but time is already running out for them.

    Several roads now lead to the horrors of a further lurch to the right in this country.  Let’s hope Labour get the GE landslide the polls are predicting – but we’re still at least a year out from the real campaigning beginning. 

    A cycling angle? With the Reform Party and its ilk, Facebook Steve and Nextdoor Dave attain real political influence. It’s not spelt out in the manifesto, but you can see where this is probably heading and what it is likely to mean for cycling.  You can bet that this lot are very much “on the side of hard working drivers” etc. 

    As you all know, Dave’s going to “sort the traffic” and no doubt show them lazy planners how it’s done: Steve thinks the Council are corrupt, the police blinkered and is, if he can fit it in to his busy schedule he’s going to “teach them Lycra’s a thing or two.” It won’t concern him that his Mondeo is 3 months out of MoT or that Mrs Steve sometimes drives the kids in it uninsured. 

    As vulnerable road users, vulnerable people, we rely a great deal on the rule of law for protection. The rule of law means that we understand what the laws are, they are in general fair, and how they are applied and to whom is even-handed and consistent. 

    The fascist position is broadly the opposite – it’s all off-the-cuff to support today’s particular agenda – that’s why the Iain Duncan-Smith “happy to see ULEZ infra vandalised” comment is, as an example, so very worrying.  In the Conservatives, here is a party happy to send signals to enable the mob to attack RNLI stations, beat up immigrants, shout at teachers, doctors etc. 

    This right-wing stuff works by allowing/enabling significant privileged groups to to think of themselves as the downtrodden underdog and here is a way to fight back.  The pro Brexit campaign played on people’s ignorance, fears and prejudices exactly as this does. 

    It’s all about freedom, innit, less regulation, less tax burden, and damn the climate.  There’s more polar bears now, so it’s fine.  Let’s have open-cast coal mining, lithium mining and fracking. The section on climate change stumbles around like a Friday night drunk, trying to explain he wasn’t being racist to the barman – a denier position emerges, unsurprisingly.

    In places, the mask really slips: “We must keep divisive woke ideologies such as Critical Race Theory (CRT) and gender ideology out of the classroom.” – to be honest, I don’t even know what those two are.

    The standard enemies are put up – the civil service, the BBC.  Amid all the thrust and parry, there’s nothing  about making a better, more inclusive and cohesive world to live in; arts, sports and culture don’t feature in this barstool view of the world: a dullard’s grim vision.

    Don’t be a member of the wrong sort of minority would be my advice, should any of this come to pass. 
     

    https://www.reformparty.uk/reformisessential

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    exilegareth

    Rich_cb wrote:

    Rich_cb wrote:
    My point was that the “no enthusiasm” for Labour argument is valid. Labour’s vote share relative to its seat count is, I believe, the most distorted in UK history. Only 1/3 people voted for Labour and they were incredibly vague about their policies yet they will now be able to push through any policy they choose. Given your previous posts on the subject of British democratic votes I’m rather surprised you are ok with the situation.

    Here’s an odd thing. Labour amost certainly chose to haver a lower overall share of the vote but to win the seats it needed to win. Imagine it’s a bike race – Labour chose this time round to win the bunch sprints, not the combativity award. The essence of Corbynism was an attempt to win the combativity award and to get the plaudits of the crowd. The number of seats where Labourhas a small but sufficient majority suggests they’re back to where they were in the noughties, when they were the predominant electoral operation in British politics.

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    exilegareth
    David9694 wrote:
    Also under ‘huge if true” is the growing story of fake Reform candidates standing in some constituencies.  Easily cleared-up, of course. 

    The one who’s been highlighted on social media near where I live is easy to trace. Sometimes ‘paper’ candidates are shy, and sometimes parties don’t promote them because they’re embarassing. So the one near me can be traced, and when you look at their social media there’s  not a lot of it, but some of it smells like TERF spirit –  Reform don’t want anyone distracting from the cult of Nigel by geetting into debates, so the candidate is simply there to be the peg on which Nigel’s persoanl vote can be hung.

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    chrisonabike
    wycombewheeler wrote:
    David9694 wrote:

    Taking aim at the Conservatives, Mr Farage said: “There is a massive gap on the centre-right of British politics and my job is to fill it.”

    If there is a massive gap in the centre right in this country it’s because reform has dragged the conservative party away from it. The gap is centrely not to the right of the conservative party.

    Nigel has been in America too long if he thinks reform is centre right

    Shurely “There is a massive gap on the centre-right of British politics and my job is to fill it with the Labour Party, until the Conservatives have finished flirting with US neocon ideas and Trump-style audience-baiting” ?

    From my perspective we’re pretty well served with economically conservative / businessist political options – pick your favourite colour!  But as a former trader perhaps he means more “no-holds-barred” even lighter-regulation markets (but at the same time as doing more labour-movement regulation of course…).  And/or he feels that apart from the likes of Braverman the socially conservative area is lacking?

    Perhaps he thinks there should be a “make us like the US” box to tick?

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    wycombewheeler
    David9694 wrote:
     

    Taking aim at the Conservatives, Mr Farage said: “There is a massive gap on the centre-right of British politics and my job is to fill it.”

     

    If there is a massive gap in the centre right in this country it’s because reform has dragged the conservative party away from it. The gap is centrely not to the right of the conservative party.

    Nigel has been in America too long if he thinks reform is centre right

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    mdavidford
    David9694 wrote:
    fake Reform candidates

    Were they actually bots?

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    brooksby

    Are they like all those

    Are they like all those candidates who turned out to be standing as Conservatives without ever mentioning it on their campaign literature*?

     

     

    *Except for small print saying that it was paid for by CCHQ

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    David9694

    Also under ‘huge if true” is

    Also under ‘huge if true” is the growing story of fake Reform candidates standing in some constituencies.  Easily cleared-up, of course. 

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    chrisonabike
    David9694 wrote:
    fair enough, but remember there is a cycling connection with the potential rise of right-wing/ gammon politics, which is the natural home of all things anti-cycling.  

    Pleased to hear today that France has not succumbed.

    I though Mussolini famously made the bicycles run on time though?

    You can of course do all kind of actions using a bicycle.

    It’s an interesting tool in that it is private transport, but with (from where the UK stands) distributed benefits.  Of course I guess it’s possible the likes of GM or Amazon could possibly create a (e)bicycle monopoly or effectively take over the cycle infra…

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    David9694
    chrisonabike wrote:
    Came here for the cycling, stayed for the politics and history!

    fair enough, but remember there is a cycling connection with the potential rise of right-wing/ gammon politics, which is the natural home of all things anti-cycling.  

    Pleased to hear today that France has not succumbed. 

     

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    chrisonabike
    David9694 wrote:
    Having a slim minority usually means party discipline has to be tight, but a large majority, while a good problem to have, is a lot of people to keep onside over time and keep from getting into/making mischief.

    Short – they won’t have the same headaches as eg. those under Theresa May, but the whips won’t be out of business…

    (It certainly is possible to get stuff done without a “warning!Socialists!majority” *, see Scotland / lots of other places.  Would that translate directly to Westminster?  Perhaps; it’s complicated?  Starmer clearly though it was not just the “right thing” but also to his party’s advantage to back many of the last government’s policies while in opposition, or at least not oppose them all.)

    * Not particularly socialist, unless you’re looking from eg. the States: then all the parties here probably appear so!

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    chrisonabike

    Came here for the cycling,

    Came here for the cycling, stayed for the politics and history!

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    Rendel Harris
    ktache wrote:
    There’s a wonderful bit in The World at War on it.

    ITV used to make exceptional documentaries.

    That used to be shown on a continuous loop on the History Channel on Freeview, one episode each day, at a time (a while ago now I’m pleased to say) when I was quite seriously ill and confined to barracks for an extended period; I must’ve watched the whole thing start to finish at least four times and learned more from it than any other series I’ve ever seen, marvellous.

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    ktache

    A fine response Rendal, I was

    A fine response Rendal, I was being a bit too concise, unlike your full explanation.

    There’s a wonderful bit in The World at War on it.

    ITV used to make exceptional documentaries.

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    David9694

    Having a slim minority

    Having a slim minority usually means party discipline has to be tight, but a large majority, while a good problem to have, is a lot of people to keep onside over time and keep from getting into/making mischief.

     

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    Rendel Harris
    ktache wrote:
    But he was up against Lord Halifax, and it was him that couldn’t be prime minister because Halifax was the lord.

    Respectfully, that’s not actually the case: Halifax had massive support with the King, the House of Lords and the Conservative party all backing him as their choice of PM to replace Chamberlain, with Labour also indicating that he was an acceptable choice to them. It was agreed that in view of the national emergency the convention that the PM should be an MP (and it was, and still is, only a convention, not a law) could safely be ignored. It was Halifax himself who turned down the invitation from Chamberlain to succeed him because he thought that Churchill could do a better job (and he thought he could have more influence as deputy PM than as PM with Churchill as his deputy, as he knew that whatever position Churchill was given he would try to run the show anyway). Also he simply couldn’t face it, in fact the thought of becoming PM made him feel physically ill. It was put around by Halifax and his supporters that he had turned the job down because he thought it wasn’t appropriate for him to be PM without being an MP but that was rather a face-saving measure that looked better than simply saying he didn’t fancy the job.

    Of course it is highly unlikely that a non-MP would be offered the job now, particularly as Labour, the Conservatives and the LDs all have it written into their constitution that only MPs can stand for the party leadership. I did read during the election campaign that the Tories had a plan in place if they had won the majority but Sunak had lost his seat for him to remain as PM and, as with Alec Douglas-Home as I previously mentioned, for a Tory MP in a safe constituency to give up their seat for a by-election to allow Sunak swiftly to return to the Commons. That was just a “reliable sources say” report though, don’t know how true it was or whether they would have put it into action if they’d had the chance.

     

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