The Reform Party and the UK’s lurch towards fascism

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    David9694

    I posted an earlier version of this a while back – inspired to do update following THAT discussion about all things ULEZ. 

    The “manifesto”, in terms of transport, only mentions stopping HS2, but there’s plenty on the usual right-wing obsessions: Brexit, immigration, veterans and climate change.  I had another look because I worry about the ongoing decline of the two main political parties. 

    If the Cons stay wedded to Brexit, then we will go into the next GE with all the widespread impoverishment Brexit has ushered in – not helped by Covid, Putin, etc. People generally vote according to their pockets.  I don’t get Labour’s current position on Europe either, but let’s see how that evolves, and even the Cons may also evolve, or even pivot, but time is already running out for them.

    Several roads now lead to the horrors of a further lurch to the right in this country.  Let’s hope Labour get the GE landslide the polls are predicting – but we’re still at least a year out from the real campaigning beginning. 

    A cycling angle? With the Reform Party and its ilk, Facebook Steve and Nextdoor Dave attain real political influence. It’s not spelt out in the manifesto, but you can see where this is probably heading and what it is likely to mean for cycling.  You can bet that this lot are very much “on the side of hard working drivers” etc. 

    As you all know, Dave’s going to “sort the traffic” and no doubt show them lazy planners how it’s done: Steve thinks the Council are corrupt, the police blinkered and is, if he can fit it in to his busy schedule he’s going to “teach them Lycra’s a thing or two.” It won’t concern him that his Mondeo is 3 months out of MoT or that Mrs Steve sometimes drives the kids in it uninsured. 

    As vulnerable road users, vulnerable people, we rely a great deal on the rule of law for protection. The rule of law means that we understand what the laws are, they are in general fair, and how they are applied and to whom is even-handed and consistent. 

    The fascist position is broadly the opposite – it’s all off-the-cuff to support today’s particular agenda – that’s why the Iain Duncan-Smith “happy to see ULEZ infra vandalised” comment is, as an example, so very worrying.  In the Conservatives, here is a party happy to send signals to enable the mob to attack RNLI stations, beat up immigrants, shout at teachers, doctors etc. 

    This right-wing stuff works by allowing/enabling significant privileged groups to to think of themselves as the downtrodden underdog and here is a way to fight back.  The pro Brexit campaign played on people’s ignorance, fears and prejudices exactly as this does. 

    It’s all about freedom, innit, less regulation, less tax burden, and damn the climate.  There’s more polar bears now, so it’s fine.  Let’s have open-cast coal mining, lithium mining and fracking. The section on climate change stumbles around like a Friday night drunk, trying to explain he wasn’t being racist to the barman – a denier position emerges, unsurprisingly.

    In places, the mask really slips: “We must keep divisive woke ideologies such as Critical Race Theory (CRT) and gender ideology out of the classroom.” – to be honest, I don’t even know what those two are.

    The standard enemies are put up – the civil service, the BBC.  Amid all the thrust and parry, there’s nothing  about making a better, more inclusive and cohesive world to live in; arts, sports and culture don’t feature in this barstool view of the world: a dullard’s grim vision.

    Don’t be a member of the wrong sort of minority would be my advice, should any of this come to pass. 
     

    https://www.reformparty.uk/reformisessential

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    chrisonabike

    David9694 wrote:

    David9694 wrote:
    Starmer is 11 months in […] he’s condemning himself to one term and the party to a long period in the wilderness, along with the Tories if he doesn’t do something radical and distinct. 

    Wait, what?  Are you saying that the Tories new complaint will be that Starmer is going to be held responsible for them being in the wilderness?  Isn’t that his job (and largely their fault)?

    I think this commentor has a slightly odd take.  I do agree that there’s little appetite for picking up old hot potatoes (Brexit) we’ve managed to drop – whether temporarily or not.  I think that’s mostly for negative reasons e.g. the main parties saw that it blew up in Cameron’s face, hamstrung May etc.  Even the Lib Dems – who aren’t likely to need to worry about actually implementing anything – have pushed the issue to “long-term”.

    People have been complaining that politicians don’t have a “vision” and have “turned into managers” for most of my life (well … post – Thatcher.  But perhaps they forget that she was quite the pragmatist on most issues – until she had made a decision that is, but then yes “the lady’s not for turning”).

    Unless he’s championing such visionaries as … Boris “two columns” bluster Johnson, the Iron Weathervane, Rishi Sunk…?

    Currently the big issue and biggest differences seem to be “how to handle Trump and the US that elected him … twice”.  Reform: “attempt to ‘make Britain (or is it England?) great again’ so fast that he will see we’re as wild as he is”, Labour: “kiss the ring but hold your tongue” and the Conservatives: “bring up all his talking points … until we realise that even our members can’t stomach some of them”.  Apologies – not sure where the Liberals / Greens stand (nor the regional parties).

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    brooksby

    My browser won’t open that?

    My browser won’t open that?

    #1154045
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    Hirsute

    Original (removed by the

    Original (removed by the telegraph)
    https://archive.is/s1GPF

    #1154043
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    hawkinspeter

    chrisonabike wrote:

    chrisonabike wrote:
    Although – given we have lots of “poor” people (relative to the Jenricks) that can in fact add up (see ageing population and NHS, or welfare bill). Plus this may resonate because most people aren’t on the same playing field as politicians and most folks in the media; we’re down here with the fare-dodgers, teen vandals, litter droppers, dog shit not-picker-uppers… although that’s arguably more “council business” rather than the stuff of statesmanship.

    I wonder how many fare dodgers it would take to add up to £150 million tax revenue?

    Wikipedia wrote:
    In January 2020 Jenrick approved a £1 billion luxury housing development of 1,500 homes on Westferry Road, Isle of Dogs, as a favour to Richard Desmond, a Conservative Party donor, businessman and former pornographer.

    Jenrick approved the scheme on 14 January knowing that an approval by that date would enable Desmond to avoid having to pay a council-imposed infrastructure levy of between £30 million and £50 million.

    A Government planning inspector had advised against permitting the scheme, as it would not deliver enough affordable housing and as the height of the tower would be detrimental to the character of the area. Other civil servants had also advised Jenrick not to approve the scheme.

    Tower Hamlets London Borough Council then pursued a judicial review against Jenrick’s decision in the High Court, arguing that it had shown bias towards Desmond. It was also reported that Jenrick had helped Desmond to save an additional £106 million by allowing affordable housing at 21 per cent, instead of enforcing the local and London-wide planning policy requirement of 35 per cent. This could have resulted in a total discount (and subsequent loss of revenue to the Exchequer) of approximately £150 million.

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    chrisonabike

    hawkinspeter wrote:

    hawkinspeter wrote:
    It’s the old focus on poor people dodging a few pounds here and there and ignore the millionaires bending rules to dodge millions in tax.

    Although – given we have lots of “poor” people (relative to the Jenricks) that can in fact add up (see ageing population and NHS, or welfare bill).

    Plus this may resonate because most people aren’t on the same playing field as politicians and most folks in the media; we’re down here with the fare-dodgers, teen vandals, litter droppers, dog shit not-picker-uppers… although that’s arguably more “council business” rather than the stuff of statesmanship.

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    chrisonabike

    Jenrick – “they should focus
    Jenrick – “they should focus on enforcing the rules” … it’s “chipping away at society”.

    Interviewer “but did you have permission…”

    Also Jenrick “that may be the rule and I may not have got permission but I’m not apologetic…”

    Hmm…

    Still in the age of the Trump-stunt where all that matters is you get your opinion noticed no doubt this is excellent points in the bank for if they decide to ditch Kemi.

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    hawkinspeter
    David9694 wrote:
    Interesting commentary by Nick Tyrone today

    I don’t understand what the Labour Party is doing. I don’t think many non-partisan people do either

    https://nicktyrone.substack.com/p/i-dont-understand-what-the-labour

    He seems to like Jenrick’s TFL stunt which is deeply ironic considering that Jenrick got caught claiming for driving and rail expenses for the same journey. It’s the old focus on poor people dodging a few pounds here and there and ignore the millionaires bending rules to dodge millions in tax.

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    David9694
    brooksby wrote:
    Hirsute wrote:
    Telegraph went with we can’t afford 5 holidays a year on 345k with the vat on school fees – here’s the response

    https://mrhenrymorris.substack.com/p/i-located-that-five-holidays-a-year

    I read that the Telegraph’s original article got well and truly fact-checked: photos from an open source library, no such individuals working where they claimed to work etc etc.  Morris’s satirical version is much better 😉

    Would love to see the original – will I find it along with such luminaries (can it really be a whole year??) as

    Whisper it, but Rishi Sunak is making an extraordinary comeback

    With Starmer floundering, Farage flailing and Ed Davey acting a fool, a Tory revival is now on the cards

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/05/31/rishi-sunak-comeback-general-election-uk-conservatives/

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    brooksby
    Hirsute wrote:
    Telegraph went with we can’t afford 5 holidays a year on 345k with the vat on school fees – here’s the response

    https://mrhenrymorris.substack.com/p/i-located-that-five-holidays-a-year

    I read that the Telegraph’s original article got well and truly fact-checked: photos from an open source library, no such individuals working where they claimed to work etc etc.  Morris’s satirical version is much better 😉

     

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    chrisonabike

    David9694 wrote:

    David9694 wrote:
    So, turn the country into a shithole and no-one will want to come here. I like that line of thinking!

    It’s win-win for Reform…

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    David9694
    brooksby wrote:
    chrisonabike wrote:
    David9694 wrote:
    If you’re anti-migrant, it’s hard to see how being pro climate change makes sense as a philosophy.

    Agreed – but isn’t it even more basic than that?  To the extent we are “better” than others (which everyone seems to want) then we can expect them to be envious of us, and some will want to come here!

    So … if we succeeded in being that “green and pleasant land” pictured by some of these folks we’d simply have more pressure at the borders.

    (And as you note – that’s also ignoring that we’re getting a lot of our benefits by practices which end up making those other places even less pleasant / keeping the wages down elsewhere etc.).

    A similar thing is where people who are the descendants of immigrants (maybe one or two generations back) decide that they want to pull up the drawbridge.  Like the last couple of Conservative home secretaries.  Or Trump.

    “In shocking scenes today from the Cambridgeshire /Rutland border, a convoy of Reform-voting migrants displaced by rising sea levels making their homes uninhabitable were turned back by Border Force officials in what some are calling the Battle of Stamford Bridge.”

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    David9694
    Hirsute wrote:
    Telegraph went with we can’t afford 5 holidays a year on 345k with the vat on school fees – here’s the response

    https://mrhenrymorris.substack.com/p/i-located-that-five-holidays-a-year

    “They try to alternate the days they’re pretending refugees and Turkish barber shops are the reasons public services have been chronically underfunded because corporations have been looting the country, to make sure one of them is around to help with childcare…”

    You couldn’t make it up! 

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    David9694
    chrisonabike wrote:
    David9694 wrote:
    If you’re anti-migrant, it’s hard to see how being pro climate change makes sense as a philosophy.

    Agreed – but isn’t it even more basic than that?  To the extent we are “better” than others (which everyone seems to want) then we can expect them to be envious of us, and some will want to come here!

    So … if we succeeded in being that “green and pleasant land” pictured by some of these folks we’d simply have more pressure at the borders.

    (And as you note – that’s also ignoring that we’re getting a lot of our benefits by practices which end up making those other places even less pleasant / keeping the wages down elsewhere etc.).

    So, turn the country into a shithole and no-one will want to come here. I like that line of thinking!

     

    #1153985
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    Rendel Harris
    brooksby wrote:
    A similar thing is where people who are the descendants of immigrants (maybe one or two generations back) decide that they want to pull up the drawbridge.  Like the last couple of Conservative home secretaries.  Or Trump.

    We had a generation raised on the welfare state
    Accepted all the benefits and did just great
    But soon as they were settled ‘mongst the richest of the rich
    They kicked away the ladder, told the rest of us that life’s a bitch…

    Frank Turner, “Thatcher Fucked the Kids”

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    Hirsute

    Telegraph went with we can’t

    Telegraph went with we can’t afford 5 holidays a year on 345k with the vat on school fees – here’s the response

    https://mrhenrymorris.substack.com/p/i-located-that-five-holidays-a-year

     

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