The Reform Party and the UK’s lurch towards fascism

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    David9694

    I posted an earlier version of this a while back – inspired to do update following THAT discussion about all things ULEZ. 

    The “manifesto”, in terms of transport, only mentions stopping HS2, but there’s plenty on the usual right-wing obsessions: Brexit, immigration, veterans and climate change.  I had another look because I worry about the ongoing decline of the two main political parties. 

    If the Cons stay wedded to Brexit, then we will go into the next GE with all the widespread impoverishment Brexit has ushered in – not helped by Covid, Putin, etc. People generally vote according to their pockets.  I don’t get Labour’s current position on Europe either, but let’s see how that evolves, and even the Cons may also evolve, or even pivot, but time is already running out for them.

    Several roads now lead to the horrors of a further lurch to the right in this country.  Let’s hope Labour get the GE landslide the polls are predicting – but we’re still at least a year out from the real campaigning beginning. 

    A cycling angle? With the Reform Party and its ilk, Facebook Steve and Nextdoor Dave attain real political influence. It’s not spelt out in the manifesto, but you can see where this is probably heading and what it is likely to mean for cycling.  You can bet that this lot are very much “on the side of hard working drivers” etc. 

    As you all know, Dave’s going to “sort the traffic” and no doubt show them lazy planners how it’s done: Steve thinks the Council are corrupt, the police blinkered and is, if he can fit it in to his busy schedule he’s going to “teach them Lycra’s a thing or two.” It won’t concern him that his Mondeo is 3 months out of MoT or that Mrs Steve sometimes drives the kids in it uninsured. 

    As vulnerable road users, vulnerable people, we rely a great deal on the rule of law for protection. The rule of law means that we understand what the laws are, they are in general fair, and how they are applied and to whom is even-handed and consistent. 

    The fascist position is broadly the opposite – it’s all off-the-cuff to support today’s particular agenda – that’s why the Iain Duncan-Smith “happy to see ULEZ infra vandalised” comment is, as an example, so very worrying.  In the Conservatives, here is a party happy to send signals to enable the mob to attack RNLI stations, beat up immigrants, shout at teachers, doctors etc. 

    This right-wing stuff works by allowing/enabling significant privileged groups to to think of themselves as the downtrodden underdog and here is a way to fight back.  The pro Brexit campaign played on people’s ignorance, fears and prejudices exactly as this does. 

    It’s all about freedom, innit, less regulation, less tax burden, and damn the climate.  There’s more polar bears now, so it’s fine.  Let’s have open-cast coal mining, lithium mining and fracking. The section on climate change stumbles around like a Friday night drunk, trying to explain he wasn’t being racist to the barman – a denier position emerges, unsurprisingly.

    In places, the mask really slips: “We must keep divisive woke ideologies such as Critical Race Theory (CRT) and gender ideology out of the classroom.” – to be honest, I don’t even know what those two are.

    The standard enemies are put up – the civil service, the BBC.  Amid all the thrust and parry, there’s nothing  about making a better, more inclusive and cohesive world to live in; arts, sports and culture don’t feature in this barstool view of the world: a dullard’s grim vision.

    Don’t be a member of the wrong sort of minority would be my advice, should any of this come to pass. 
     

    https://www.reformparty.uk/reformisessential

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  • #1016417
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    hawkinspeter

    Hirsute wrote:

    Hirsute wrote:
    White collar crime isn’t crime then. Let’s not worry about corruption around PPE during the pandemic or the award of contracts to organisations linked to the PM/PM family.

    Don’t forget the partying whilst not allowing people to visit dying relatives. Or am I just out-grouping those who think the laws that they implemented don’t apply to themselves?

    #1016419
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    Rich_cb

    Keep justifying your hatred
    Keep justifying your hatred if you want.

    The same arguments have been made multiple times before.

    “The treatment they receive from us is hardly unjust. They have deserved it all.”

    #1016415
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    hawkinspeter
    essexian wrote:
    Indeed. But then, I thought the same when this song came out:

    Then, the most evil women ever, Thatcher, came to power and it was all downhill from there. 

    I’m certainly no fan of Thatcher’s policies, but I doubt that she was the most evil woman ever. Elizabeth Báthory would be a strong candidate though.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_B%C3%A1thory

    (A vampire character based loosely on her was played by Lady Gaga in American Horror Story: Hotel)

    #1016411
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    essexian

    Indeed. But then, I thought

    Indeed. But then, I thought the same when this song came out:

    Then, the most evil women ever, Thatcher, came to power and it was all downhill from there. 

    #1016413
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    hawkinspeter

    Rich_cb wrote:

    Rich_cb wrote:
    You don’t just reserve your ire for the people in power though. You’ve claimed in this thread that anyone who supports the government is “part of the problem”. Every time an outgroup has been persecuted in history those doing the persecution have been able to justify it to themselves. History’s great crimes were enthusiastically cheered by people just like us, who justified the persecutions in the exact same way we justify our own hatred.

    People who vote to keep them in power are definitely part of the problem as without them, the Tories wouldn’t be in power. If they choose to vote differently, then they’re not part of the problem – what possible issue do you have with that?

    If someone goes around stabbing other people and I declare them to be a problem, but not when they stop stabbing other people, then it’s nothing to do with me putting them in an out-group, but the fact that their stabbing is causing significant harm to others.

    Similarly, hating Nazis for their atrocities is nothing like being a Nazi. Presumably you don’t hate Nazis yourself and would be happy to be considered one of them as otherwise you’d be out-grouping them wouldn’t you? Or do you concede that Nazi hate and hating Nazis are entirely different?

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    Hirsute

    White collar crime isn’t
    White collar crime isn’t crime then. Let’s not worry about corruption around PPE during the pandemic or the award of contracts to organisations linked to the PM/PM family.

    #1016407
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    essexian

    Rich_cb wrote:

    Rich_cb wrote:
    They’re criminals.

    Not all Tories are criminals but the majority of those who make it to the top, are. 

    #1016405
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    essexian

    Ssshhhhh now. The adults are

    Ssshhhhh now. The adults are talking. 

    #1016403
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    Rich_cb

    Power is relative.
    Power is relative.

    If at a social gathering or a work place somebody is ostracised because of their political beliefs does it matter that said person supports the party currently in power?

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    Rich_cb

    Of course they can be an
    Of course they can be an outgroup.

    The political sphere is not the only one in which people move.

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    brooksby

    Rich_cb wrote:

    Rich_cb wrote:
    Simon E wrote:
    They’re not an out-group… selfish, amoral, lying, moneylaundering, lawbreaking, shit-stirring pro-fascist, racist and deeply corrupt grifter c**ts

    I detest the Conservative governments of the last 13 years. I hate … every rotten thing they stand for, more than anything else I can remember.

    Well that just completely disproved my point…

    A group isn’t an outgroup if they are in power, and are the Establishment.  They can’t be.  They are – if anything – the ingroup.

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    Rich_cb

    I think all of society is
    I think all of society is guilty of it to some degree.

    In my opinion, those on the left seem to be the most blind to their own hatred but I’m sure I’m biased.

    #1016395
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    brooksby

    Rich_cb wrote:

    Rich_cb wrote:
    So the correct outgroup to demonise is Conservatives? People like to put other people in outgroups, that’s always been the case. The left like to think that placing conservatives in an outgroup is somehow different. It isn’t, it’s the exact same phenomenon with the exact same ugly sentiment underlying it. If it wasn’t for ‘group X’ then life in this country would be so much better…

    Except that the Tories and their supporters are doing it from a position of power.

    #1016393
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    brooksby
    essexian wrote:
    * Almost 40 years since the Battle of the Beanfield. Never forget, never forgive. 

    I was listening to a Levellers album t’other day and one of the lyrics is “The year is 1991, it seems that freedom’s dead and gone”.  I don’t know about you, but I honestly imagined in 1991 that things were going to get better, not worse… 

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    Rich_cb

    They’re criminals.
    They’re criminals.

    That’s a bit of a difference.

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