The Reform Party and the UK’s lurch towards fascism

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    David9694

    I posted an earlier version of this a while back – inspired to do update following THAT discussion about all things ULEZ. 

    The “manifesto”, in terms of transport, only mentions stopping HS2, but there’s plenty on the usual right-wing obsessions: Brexit, immigration, veterans and climate change.  I had another look because I worry about the ongoing decline of the two main political parties. 

    If the Cons stay wedded to Brexit, then we will go into the next GE with all the widespread impoverishment Brexit has ushered in – not helped by Covid, Putin, etc. People generally vote according to their pockets.  I don’t get Labour’s current position on Europe either, but let’s see how that evolves, and even the Cons may also evolve, or even pivot, but time is already running out for them.

    Several roads now lead to the horrors of a further lurch to the right in this country.  Let’s hope Labour get the GE landslide the polls are predicting – but we’re still at least a year out from the real campaigning beginning. 

    A cycling angle? With the Reform Party and its ilk, Facebook Steve and Nextdoor Dave attain real political influence. It’s not spelt out in the manifesto, but you can see where this is probably heading and what it is likely to mean for cycling.  You can bet that this lot are very much “on the side of hard working drivers” etc. 

    As you all know, Dave’s going to “sort the traffic” and no doubt show them lazy planners how it’s done: Steve thinks the Council are corrupt, the police blinkered and is, if he can fit it in to his busy schedule he’s going to “teach them Lycra’s a thing or two.” It won’t concern him that his Mondeo is 3 months out of MoT or that Mrs Steve sometimes drives the kids in it uninsured. 

    As vulnerable road users, vulnerable people, we rely a great deal on the rule of law for protection. The rule of law means that we understand what the laws are, they are in general fair, and how they are applied and to whom is even-handed and consistent. 

    The fascist position is broadly the opposite – it’s all off-the-cuff to support today’s particular agenda – that’s why the Iain Duncan-Smith “happy to see ULEZ infra vandalised” comment is, as an example, so very worrying.  In the Conservatives, here is a party happy to send signals to enable the mob to attack RNLI stations, beat up immigrants, shout at teachers, doctors etc. 

    This right-wing stuff works by allowing/enabling significant privileged groups to to think of themselves as the downtrodden underdog and here is a way to fight back.  The pro Brexit campaign played on people’s ignorance, fears and prejudices exactly as this does. 

    It’s all about freedom, innit, less regulation, less tax burden, and damn the climate.  There’s more polar bears now, so it’s fine.  Let’s have open-cast coal mining, lithium mining and fracking. The section on climate change stumbles around like a Friday night drunk, trying to explain he wasn’t being racist to the barman – a denier position emerges, unsurprisingly.

    In places, the mask really slips: “We must keep divisive woke ideologies such as Critical Race Theory (CRT) and gender ideology out of the classroom.” – to be honest, I don’t even know what those two are.

    The standard enemies are put up – the civil service, the BBC.  Amid all the thrust and parry, there’s nothing  about making a better, more inclusive and cohesive world to live in; arts, sports and culture don’t feature in this barstool view of the world: a dullard’s grim vision.

    Don’t be a member of the wrong sort of minority would be my advice, should any of this come to pass. 
     

    https://www.reformparty.uk/reformisessential

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    brooksby
    chrisonabike wrote:
    David9694 wrote:
    If you’re anti-migrant, it’s hard to see how being pro climate change makes sense as a philosophy.

    Agreed – but isn’t it even more basic than that?  To the extent we are “better” than others (which everyone seems to want) then we can expect them to be envious of us, and some will want to come here!

    So … if we succeeded in being that “green and pleasant land” pictured by some of these folks we’d simply have more pressure at the borders.

    (And as you note – that’s also ignoring that we’re getting a lot of our benefits by practices which end up making those other places even less pleasant / keeping the wages down elsewhere etc.).

    A similar thing is where people who are the descendants of immigrants (maybe one or two generations back) decide that they want to pull up the drawbridge.  Like the last couple of Conservative home secretaries.  Or Trump.

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    chrisonabike

    David9694 wrote:

    David9694 wrote:
    If you’re anti-migrant, it’s hard to see how being pro climate change makes sense as a philosophy.

    Agreed – but isn’t it even more basic than that?  To the extent we are “better” than others (which everyone seems to want) then we can expect them to be envious of us, and some will want to come here!

    So … if we succeeded in being that “green and pleasant land” pictured by some of these folks we’d simply have more pressure at the borders.

    (And as you note – that’s also ignoring that we’re getting a lot of our benefits by practices which end up making those other places even less pleasant / keeping the wages down elsewhere etc.).

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    wtjs

    Excellent, but you haven’t

    Excellent, but you haven’t explained what dialectical materialism is!

    #1153969
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    David9694

    Stalin, Khrushchev, and

    Stalin, Khrushchev, and Brezhnev are on a train across the steppe that come to a halt.

    Stalin goes off to investigate, comes back and says,  “I have shot the driver. Now the train will move again.”

    Nothing happens, so off goes Khrushchev, comes back, “I have rehabilitated the driver. Now the train will move.”

    Nothing happens, so Brezhnev gets up, opens the window and calls out “now the train is moving!”

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    David9694

    chrisonabike wrote:

    chrisonabike wrote:
    Presumably it’s “support what’s good business and cheaper things * for hard-working local people * ” but “down with ridiculous climate wokery – that’s hemp-wearing (and probably middle-class) weirdos and some shadowy conspiracy trying to keep us down with arbitrary rules”? * As long as this doesn’t mean surrendering our sovereignty to the hated EU empire or other foreign Johnnies. Of course voluntarily adopting the practices suggested by the fab US is completely different. ** apparently some Reform folks aren’t anti those who can’t work eg. because disability – as long as they are deserving *locals*)

    A simpler explanation for some of this – When you’ve run out of options and have to leave the kids with your partner’s iffy relatives: “It’s OK kids, while you’re with me you can have sweets and junk food, here you older ones, try some of your grandpa’s home brew.  Ain’t it just the meanest thing how your mom is always tellin’ you off – you can’t have this, you can’t a-have that. Well I say you gotta live for today.”

    “yaaay Grandma you’re the best!” 
     

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    David9694

    ‘political’ – well I guess

    ‘political’ – well I guess that’s one way of describing it: “As DeSmog previously revealed, the party received £2.3 million from climate deniers, polluters and fossil fuel interests between the 2019 and 2024 general elections, equivalent to 92 percent of its funding during the period.”

    If you’re anti-migrant, it’s hard to see how being pro climate change makes sense as a philosophy.  An analogy: We’ve got a (stray?) cat coming into our garden, it wants to be friendly (and beg some food) – our cat wards it off (when he can be bothered) but every time it’s creeping back within a couple of minutes.  So it will be with climate migrants: when you’ve reached a point where staying put is hopeless and you have nothing to lose trying to find a new living.  

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    David9694

    Although there’s no reported

    Although there’s no reported fireworks, it seems this week to be The End of the Affair with Musk and Trump. 

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cz9y4exj822o 

    And what’s left of the Conservatives have noticed that their leader isn’t doing very well. Nick Tyrone (https://nicktyrone.substack.com/) often makes the point that the collapse of this party is leaving a gap that Reform are filling – I find myself agreeing, or at least adopting a “maybe not so very bad” position. 

    However, I might remind the Conservative party that (i) they chose Badenoch (ii) they chose the method by which she was chosen – the same one that had given them Truss. 

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2endrywk4o

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    David9694

    At the end of the day, (when

    At the end of the day, (when all’s said and done, the bottom line is that) no-one actually wants more of other people’s cars near them: 

    Locals raise traffic concerns as car dealership plans move to Cambridgeshire village

    If a new site is not found for the dealership, up to 60 jobs could be at risk

    https://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/news/local-news/locals-raise-traffic-concerns-car-31673158?int_source=nba

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    chrisonabike

    Hear hear!
    Hear hear!
    Although

    mattw wrote:
    On the LTN thing, one possible tactic – hinted at by Ranty – is to point to particular LTNs where the Reform voters live in the local paper or the local Facebook, and ask whether the Council are going to remove them to help through-traffic.

    Look around, and their are modal filters (eg back to back cul-de-sacs or similar which could quite easily be removed.


    I *think* this works, but very careful what you suggest. You may find that if challenged and feeling they’ve nowhere to go a council might just cut off their friend’s nose to spite their own face – and then lots of other people’s noses because “we’ve started now”.

    Again hope not but there appear to be some notable wild-cards in that company…

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    wtjs

    I should have realised that
    I should have realised that from ‘The Party’!

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    mattw

    On the LTN thing, one

    On the LTN thing, one possible tactic – hinted at by Ranty – is to point to particular LTNs where the Reform voters live in the local paper or the local Facebook, and ask whether the Council are going to remove them to help through-traffic.

    Look around, and their are modal filters (eg back to back cul-de-sacs or similar which could quite easily be removed.

    Modal filters, traffic calming and other features have been in use since at least the 1930s (eg commuter estates around London such as in Surbiton and Worcester Park), and every estate built since perhaps the 1960s is functionally an LTN.

    They won’t be removed, because such people always want to defend their parish pump, whilst ripping other people’s.

    The debate is very like bus stop bypasses, which have also existed all over London since the 1930s.

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    hawkinspeter

    wtjs wrote:

    wtjs wrote:
    The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command Almost, but not quite, like a quotation from Animal Farm. Is it a famous quotation?

    So close and yet so far. It’s from 1984, also by Orwell.

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    wtjs

    The lesson for people may be
    The lesson for people may be to beware – but …The lesson for regimes is perhaps the other way
    Very good point!

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    wtjs

    The Party told you to reject
    The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command
    Almost, but not quite, like a quotation from Animal Farm. Is it a famous quotation?

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    David9694
    hawkinspeter wrote:
    A good example of this was Musk’s Nazi salute – it quickly highlights those people who are willing to try to explain it away and those who refuse to deny the reality of what they saw.

    “The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.”

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