The Reform Party and the UK’s lurch towards fascism

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    David9694

    I posted an earlier version of this a while back – inspired to do update following THAT discussion about all things ULEZ. 

    The “manifesto”, in terms of transport, only mentions stopping HS2, but there’s plenty on the usual right-wing obsessions: Brexit, immigration, veterans and climate change.  I had another look because I worry about the ongoing decline of the two main political parties. 

    If the Cons stay wedded to Brexit, then we will go into the next GE with all the widespread impoverishment Brexit has ushered in – not helped by Covid, Putin, etc. People generally vote according to their pockets.  I don’t get Labour’s current position on Europe either, but let’s see how that evolves, and even the Cons may also evolve, or even pivot, but time is already running out for them.

    Several roads now lead to the horrors of a further lurch to the right in this country.  Let’s hope Labour get the GE landslide the polls are predicting – but we’re still at least a year out from the real campaigning beginning. 

    A cycling angle? With the Reform Party and its ilk, Facebook Steve and Nextdoor Dave attain real political influence. It’s not spelt out in the manifesto, but you can see where this is probably heading and what it is likely to mean for cycling.  You can bet that this lot are very much “on the side of hard working drivers” etc. 

    As you all know, Dave’s going to “sort the traffic” and no doubt show them lazy planners how it’s done: Steve thinks the Council are corrupt, the police blinkered and is, if he can fit it in to his busy schedule he’s going to “teach them Lycra’s a thing or two.” It won’t concern him that his Mondeo is 3 months out of MoT or that Mrs Steve sometimes drives the kids in it uninsured. 

    As vulnerable road users, vulnerable people, we rely a great deal on the rule of law for protection. The rule of law means that we understand what the laws are, they are in general fair, and how they are applied and to whom is even-handed and consistent. 

    The fascist position is broadly the opposite – it’s all off-the-cuff to support today’s particular agenda – that’s why the Iain Duncan-Smith “happy to see ULEZ infra vandalised” comment is, as an example, so very worrying.  In the Conservatives, here is a party happy to send signals to enable the mob to attack RNLI stations, beat up immigrants, shout at teachers, doctors etc. 

    This right-wing stuff works by allowing/enabling significant privileged groups to to think of themselves as the downtrodden underdog and here is a way to fight back.  The pro Brexit campaign played on people’s ignorance, fears and prejudices exactly as this does. 

    It’s all about freedom, innit, less regulation, less tax burden, and damn the climate.  There’s more polar bears now, so it’s fine.  Let’s have open-cast coal mining, lithium mining and fracking. The section on climate change stumbles around like a Friday night drunk, trying to explain he wasn’t being racist to the barman – a denier position emerges, unsurprisingly.

    In places, the mask really slips: “We must keep divisive woke ideologies such as Critical Race Theory (CRT) and gender ideology out of the classroom.” – to be honest, I don’t even know what those two are.

    The standard enemies are put up – the civil service, the BBC.  Amid all the thrust and parry, there’s nothing  about making a better, more inclusive and cohesive world to live in; arts, sports and culture don’t feature in this barstool view of the world: a dullard’s grim vision.

    Don’t be a member of the wrong sort of minority would be my advice, should any of this come to pass. 
     

    https://www.reformparty.uk/reformisessential

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    hawkinspeter

    chrisonabike wrote:

    chrisonabike wrote:
    Asking people to make costly voluntarily sacrifices is a great loyalty test AND demonstration of your power.

    The Trump administration seems to also test loyalty amongst people by making an obviously false statement and then watch to see who will attempt to produce justifications that just make no sense at all.

    A good example of this was Musk’s Nazi salute – it quickly highlights those people who are willing to try to explain it away and those who refuse to deny the reality of what they saw.

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    chrisonabike

    hawkinspeter wrote:

    hawkinspeter wrote:
    Seeing as how Russia and China suffered from favouring ideology over reality, you would think that the U.S. people wouldn’t want to go through the same lesson. e.g. ignoring climate change due to it being inconvenient politically and ignoring vaccine eficacy due to idiots believing social media bollocks rather than history/science.

    The lesson for people may be to beware – but rulers are constantly changing stuff “for our own good (or god)” – who to trust?

    The lesson for regimes is perhaps the other way – Mao and the Communist party remained throughout the Great Chinese Famine (consequence of them adopting Lysenkoism), the Great Leap Forward, the Cultural Revolution (which he started but might have consumed him). The Soviet leadership remained through collectivisation, Lysenkoism etc. – and (albeit with a hiatus in Russia) autocratic government persists in both.

    That’s not necessarily a lesson in failure for those with autocratic tendencies…

    Lysenko himself did finally fall from favour – but was hardly “punished”. And – importantly for a “lesson” – definitely outlived many of his critics and those who held to more “scientific” theories! In fact, he’s starting to get some praise again in the New Russia…

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    chrisonabike

    hawkinspeter wrote:

    hawkinspeter wrote:
    Lysenko provides an excellent lesson about how reality doesn’t care about political beliefs and how ignoring science/reality can end up starving millions.

    Agree with the 2nd part but I think the real lesson of this (and several other occurrences of this kind of thing – perhaps “emperor’s new clothes” situations) is that those in power may consider themselves not bound by currently accepted physical reality *. And there often isn’t the equivalent of a little boy to tell them they’re wrong – or that only turns up after megadeaths.

    Those close to the top have to fall in line or else they’re out. People down the chain have to deliver “results” (often just “on paper” – so the emperor just hears what he wants) or else. Those at the bottom probably well know they’re being told to starve themselves – but may sensibly choose “maybe die tomorrow rather than definitely die horribly today”).

    * Or it may just be that – like the Great Leap Forward – the political imperatives are considered more important at the top also. Asking people to make costly voluntarily sacrifices is a great loyalty test AND demonstration of your power.

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    chrisonabike

    hawkinspeter wrote:

    hawkinspeter wrote:

    Seems like they have taken a political stance against the climate (which is as stupid as it sounds), but can’t ignore that solar and wind energy are not bankrupting us, but providing cheap energy without being tied to buying oil from dubious regimes.


    Perhaps it’s:

    Well wind is just something that happens – like sunshine. And there’s nothing wrong with oil and gas – that’s just old trees (is this right?). Climate – isn’t that just weather? That just happens – although it does seem to be there’s more weather about these days. Personally I’d like it if it were a bit milder.

    If only there was a traditional way of combining all those… aha! We should bring back … ICE vehicles and coal power and heating!

    https://road.cc/wp-content/uploads/roadcc/Screenshot_20250524_121432_Samsung Internet.jpg

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    hawkinspeter

    Hirsute wrote:

    Hirsute wrote:
    I learnt another new word today about the US government Lysenkoism

    Lysenko provides an excellent lesson about how reality doesn’t care about political beliefs and how ignoring science/reality can end up starving millions.

    Seeing as how Russia and China suffered from favouring ideology over reality, you would think that the U.S. people wouldn’t want to go through the same lesson. e.g. ignoring climate change due to it being inconvenient politically and ignoring vaccine eficacy due to idiots believing social media bollocks rather than history/science.

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    chrisonabike

    Presumably it’s “support what
    Presumably it’s “support what’s good business and cheaper things * for hard-working local people * ” but “down with ridiculous climate wokery – that’s hemp-wearing (and probably middle-class) weirdos and some shadowy conspiracy trying to keep us down with arbitrary rules”?

    * As long as this doesn’t mean surrendering our sovereignty to the hated EU empire or other foreign Johnnies. Of course voluntarily adopting the practices suggested by the fab US is completely different.
    ** apparently some Reform folks aren’t anti those who can’t work eg. because disability – as long as they are deserving *locals*)

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    Hirsute

    I learnt another new word
    I learnt another new word today about the US government
    Lysenkoism

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    hawkinspeter
    Hirsute wrote:

    Seems like they have taken a political stance against the climate (which is as stupid as it sounds), but can’t ignore that solar and wind energy are not bankrupting us, but providing cheap energy without being tied to buying oil from dubious regimes.

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    David9694

    It’s worth remembering what

    It’s worth remembering what laissez-faire capitalism used to look like for the working classes, not least for children.

    Factory Act

    United Kingdom [1833]

    https://www.britannica.com/event/Factory-Act-United-Kingdom-1833

    The kicker with the 1833 Act is in the final sentence in the Britannica entry “Crucially, the act established a four-member inspectorate to enforce the law and impose penalties.”

    I did Economic and Social 1815-1914, but the C18th increasingly looks like (for some) a really prosperous time for Britain: “you can’t talk about the eighteenth century economy without talking about slavery” as one TV historian scoffed. 

    Yes, I know you can sanctify the agrarian past with men in smocks, pots of cider, swaying corn, cheery women in mob caps and you can also portray the ind rev as dark satanic mills, a wall to wall Lowry painting / trouble at’mill.

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    mdavidford

    To be fair, Reform do have

    To be fair, Reform do have some experience with incredibly woolly ‘contracts’.

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    Hirsute

    Depends on the contract –

    Depends on the contract – some are incredibly detailed and others are woolly.

    There’s a whole procurement process already under various legislation and a new procurement act that came in in the spring, so the idea that you could change things easily is fantasy. Also demonstrates that they have no idea of what is required when running an administration.

     

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    Hirsute

    I had to look that word up !

    I had to look that word up !

    I read a comment today in doge:

    “Seems pretty clear that DOGE wasn’t ever designed to increase efficiency, but to destroy regulators in Musk’s way and gobble up the data of the American public and its government so as to provide Musk market advantage in AI race.”

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    hawkinspeter
    Hirsute wrote:
    “The Reform leadership will be rolling out a full-scale review of all of the council’s expenditure, including all existing contracts, to find loose change.”

    Because despite all the cuts in the last 20 years and all the cost pressures, no one has ever done that at all, ever, at the council.

    Do they even understand that there is an opportunity cost in pulling people away from their normal tasks to address something that does not need addressing?

    And what will they do with a 5 year contract – rip it up if they don’t like it? Well, good luck with that. Might see you lose access to vital data if you try that or be forced to create something new at an even higher cost.

    They’re just half-heartedly copying Trump/Musk/DOGE without realising that it’s becoming more apparent to outsiders with every passing day that the whole Trump administration is a kakistocracy.

    We’ve already had the Tories plundering all that they can (including trying to make some pocket money with COVID) and Sunak diverting money from the poorest to the richest areas. I suppose that if you appeal to racists, then you’re not dealing with the brightest supporters.

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    David9694

    There seems to be an

    There seems to be an obsession about “finding out who all these long-term contracts are let to” …and then what? (as you say).  

    Aren’t contracts a good thing, like as opposed to all those working from home, union card carrying, EDI advocating, fat-salaried, gold-plated pension council employees? 

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