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Shimano launches 12-speed Ultegra R8100 groupset that’s Di2 only

Semi-wireless second tier groupset shares technology with new Dura-Ace; it’s a little heavier but more affordable

Shimano has updated its second-tier Ultegra groupset, making it 12-speed and available only with electronic shifting, and it includes a dual-sided power meter and full-carbon tubeless disc brake wheels for the first time. Like the new top-level Dura-Ace 9200, Ultegra R8100 features semi-wireless shifting, meaning that the two derailleurs are wired to an internal battery but the shifters communicate wirelessly with the rest of the system.

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Images: Irmo Keizer

Shimano has redesigned the shifters, derailleurs, cassettes, chainsets, brake callipers, and wheels. The Di2 EW-SD300 wiring and batteries are new too.

Find out all about Shimano's new Dura-Ace 9200 groupset – launched today

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Here are the essential features of Shimano Ultegra R8100 in a handy cut-out-and-keep bullet point format:

  • Second-tier groupset moves from 11-speed to 12-speed
  • It’s available with Di2 (electronic shifting) only
  • Shifters communicate wirelessly with the rest of the system (disc brake version only)
  • Shimano claims faster derailleurs than previously
  • Includes a power meter option for the first time
  • Features full-carbon tubeless disc brake wheels
  • Available for both disc brakes and rim brakes

Shimano has also revealed its new top-level Dura-Ace groupset today and says that Ultegra shares much of the same tech. It recommends that components from each groupset are used together but you could use Ultegra Di2 shifters and Dura-Ace derailleurs if you wanted; they’ll work together.

Shifting

Shimano’s new Di2 shifting is semi-wireless; the front and rear derailleurs are connected by wires to an internal battery but the shifters have their own batteries and communicate wirelessly with the rest of the system.

2022 Shimano Ultegra R8100 ST-R8170-R_C219_203_R_STD_F203.jpeg

Shimano says, “Ultegra R8100 shares the same revised Di2 platform as Dura-Ace R9200 to improve shifting speed whilst making the shifter-derailleur connection wireless, and still ensuring absolute reliability.”

“The same new Di2 platform which improves the motor design in the derailleurs decreases the processing speed (the moving time between motor and gear mechanisms) and the transmission performance to enable Shimano’s fastest-ever shifting.”

Want some figures on that? Shimano says that the new rear derailleur is 58% quicker than the previous generation Dura-Ace while the front derailleur is 45% faster.

The new SD-300 wires that connect the Di2 battery (BT-DN300) to the front (FD-R8150) and rear derailleurs (RD-R8150) are of a smaller diameter than previously.

“One internal battery makes for a simple charging solution and ensures a stable and high voltage connection to the derailleurs,” says Shimano.

That battery is said to last 1,000km (625 miles) between charges, although the exact distance will obviously vary depending on use (if you want the details, Shimano’s calculation is based on riding 45km (28 miles) and two hours per day, with 54 front derailleur shifts and 370 rear derailleur shifts per ride; the temperature is 25°C – hopeful for the UK – and this figure assumes no Bluetooth or ANT+ communications).

The shifter buttons are powered by coin-style CR1632 batteries. Shimano reckons they’ll last 1.5 to two years with typical use.

2022 Shimano Ultegra R8100 FD-R8150_C219_2_STD_S2.jpeg

“A high security, fast processing and low power consumption proprietary chip circuit significantly decrease the chance of interference from external devices,” says Shimano.

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The rear derailleur provides the new battery charging point as well as the wireless connection to Shimano’s STI shifters and other third-party devices (replacing the EW-WU111 wireless unit on previous-generation Di2).

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The rear derailleur is also the control point for changing Di2 operations and Synchronized Shifting (see below) modes, replacing the previous handlebar or in-frame Junction-A (SM-RS910) button.

2022 Shimano Ultegra rear derailleur diagram - 1

The Ultegra derailleurs function in the same way as their Dura-Ace counterparts, it’s just that a different construction means they’re a little heavier The Dura-Ace R9200 front and rear derailleurs are a claimed 96g and 215g, while the Ultegra R8100 weights are 116g and 262g. That’s a combined difference of 67g.

Controls

Shimano says, “New Ultegra 2x12-speed wireless hydraulic disc brake shifters (ST-R8170) now come with a raised head portion with a slight inward curve and increased area between the shifter and the handlebar to bring improved comfort and control.

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“This provides riders with better index finger and thumb grip on the hoods and better three-finger grip behind the brake lever, whilst still giving easy access to the shift lever in the drops. Offset between Di2 buttons on the lever has also been improved, allowing for better differentiation between the up-shift and down-shift button, especially with gloves or wet fingers.”

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That’s an interesting development because with SRAM eTap and Campagnolo EPS systems it’s impossible to press one shift button when you’re aiming at another, but it could happen with previous generation Shimano Di2.

The fact that Ultegra ST-R8170 shifters are powered by CR1632 batteries and operate wirelessly simplifies installation and means that there’s no need for shift cable ports in the frame or handlebar. With SRAM’s eTap already wireless, it’ll be interesting to see if Campagnolo now feels more pressure to ditch the wires on its EPS components.

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“ST-R8170 shifters are compatible with new minimised remote shifter buttons,” says Shimano. “Sprint (SW-R801-S) or climbing shifters (SW-R801-T) can be used with a clamp band or can sit integrally in the handlebars with a specific port, such as the new PRO Vibe Evo bar. These new more compact satellite shifter options either attach to the drops via a 100mm cable (SW-RS801-S) or to the tops via a 260 mm Di2 cable (SW-RS801-T).”

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Naturally, Shimano’s updated E-Tube app is compatible with Ultegra R8100-series components and provides customisation options. You can change to Synchronized Shift (a function that automatically selects the most efficient gear on the front derailleur in synchronisation with rear derailleur gear shifting) or Semi-Synchro shifting (which automatically moves one, two or three gears at the rear to accompany a front shift), and alter the Multi-Shift settings (which control the number of gears you shift at a time), shifting speed and STI shift button mapping. Third-party cycle computers can be set up to display Di2 information.

2022 Shimano Ultegra controls head on - 1

Differences in construction mean that Ultegra ST-R8170 shifters weigh more than Dura-Ace ST-R9270 shifters: 391g versus 350g.

Drivetrain

The new Ultegra R8100 groupset features two new 12-speed Hyperglide+ cassettes: 11-30T and 11-34T ratios.

2022 Shimano Ultegra drivetrain - 1

Shimano says, “The 11-30 cassette in particular has been optimised with a revision in the ‘sweet spot’ gears between the sixth, seventh and sprockets to keep the Shimano hallmark of smooth and consistent gear steps.

The sprocket sizes are:
11-12-13-14-15-16-17-19-21-24-27-30T

It’s the 16 tooth sprocket that’s new; all the other sizes remain the same.

The sprocket sizes on the 11-34 cassette are:
11-12-13-14-15-17-19-21-24-27-30-34T

This is quite different from before with a series of single-tooth steps across the smaller sprockets.

Shimano says that “clever ramped profiles” on the cassette result in smoother gear changes in both directions, even under heavy load.

“The result is that there is no longer any need to back off an acceleration or time an easy pedal stroke with your shifts,” says Shimano. “Riders can now put the hammer down and shift even faster, with smoother cadence and better speed transition.”

Like Dura-Ace, Ultegra 12-speed cassettes come with a new spline fitting pattern, which is also backwards compatible with Shimano 11-speed freehub bodies. In other words, new Ultegra R8100 cassettes can be used on Shimano 11-speed wheels.

Ultegra chainsets come with the option of a power meter for the first time. Shimano’s proprietary strain gauges on both crank arms provide dual-sided data. Ultegra power meters use Bluetooth and ANT+ technology to transmit data, meaning that they’re compatible with pretty much every head unit out there. Shimano says that the FC-R8100-P power meter’s rechargeable Li-ion battery offers 300+ hours of ride time.

2022 Shimano Ultegra R8100 FC-R8100_52-36T_C219_3_52-36_STD_S3.jpeg

Both power meter and non-power meter chainsets come in 50-34T and 52-36T gear combinations. Shimano has ditched the traditional 53-39T option on the basis that many pros and competitive racers now prefer to use gears larger than the conventional 53T, so it offers a 54-40T chainset at Dura-Ace level.

2022 Shimano Ultegra R8100 FC-R8100_52-36T_C219_1_52-36_STD_S1.jpeg

Shimano has also kicked the 46-36T Ultegra chainset into the long grass with its GRX groupsets now catering for both cyclocross and gravel riders. If you want 46-36T gearing for cyclocross, you’ll have to stick with an R8000 11-speed 46-36T chainset.

Shimano claims an Ultegra power meter crankset weighs 769g, which is just 21g heavier than the Dura-Ace equivalent.

The Ultegra R8100 groupset uses the same 12-speed chain as Shimano’s XT M8100 mountain bike series. 

Brakes

Shimano says, "With the addition of Servo Wave technology to brake levers, taken from Shimano’s mountain bike and gravel braking systems, riders have a shorter free stroke and are able to get a more immediate connection between brake pads and rotors, allowing for more feathering or modulation of the brakes, resulting in more speed carry-through and more confidence in technical situations.

“When you pull a Servo Wave brake lever, initial pad travel is fast, so little lever movement is needed to bring the pads into contact with the rotor. The power multiplication factor then increases rapidly at the pad-to-rim contact so more of the lever stroke is used to apply greater braking power with improved control.”

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Shimano has switched Ultegra to its RT-MT800 rotors (initially designed for mountain biking) and says that clearance between the pads and rotors has been increased by 10% to reduce the chance of contact when you’re not braking.

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“The result is a quieter system, achieved through less heat deformation of the rotor and less temporary interference between the pad and the rotor,” says Shimano.

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In terms of maintenance, you can now bleed the brake without removing the calliper from the frame thanks to a separate bleed port and valve screw.

Shimano claims a weight of 282g for a pair of Ultegra brake callipers compared with 229g for Dura-Ace. 

2022 Shimano Ultegra R8100 BR-R8110-RS_C219_1_R_STD_S1.jpeg

Rim brakes remain as an option in the Ultegra R8100 range, but the dual control levers for use with rim brakes don't communicate wirelessly for gear changes.

Wheels

Shimano has introduced a full-carbon tubeless disc brake wheel line-up at Ultegra level for the first time, saying that it has focused on drag reduction, rigidity and weight. There are three different rim profiles, the height in millimetres included in each model name. All have 21mm internal and 28mm external widths.

2022 Shimano Ultegra R8100 WH-R8170-C36-TL-R_C219_1_R_STD_S1.jpeg

Shimano says that the C36 (WH-R8170-C36-TL) wheelset has a focus on climbing. It is the lightest wheelset on offer with a weight of 1,488g (657g front, 831g rear). For comparison, a Dura-Ace WH-R9270-C36-TL wheelset has a claimed weight of 1,350g. Shimano says that it has worked on driving rigidity and claims that the Ultegra C36 is 9% stiffer than the existing Dura-Ace C40-TL wheel.

2022 Shimano Ultegra R8100 WH-R8170-C50-TL-R_C219_1_R_STD_S1.jpeg

The C50 (WH-R8170-C50-TL) is designed as an all-rounder “with a great balance of drag, lateral and driving rigidity, periphery and overall weight and controllability”, according to Shimano.

2022 Shimano Ultegra rim profile - 1

The Ultegra C50 wheelset weighs 1,570g (698g front, 872g rear). The equivalent Dura-Ace WH-R9270-C50-TL wheelset has a claimed weight of 1,461g.

2022 Shimano Ultegra R8100 WH-R8170-C60-TL-R_C219_1_R_STD_S1.jpeg

Not surprisingly, the C60 (WH-R8170-C60-TL) is said to be the most aerodynamically efficient wheel in the lineup, although Shimano doesn’t offer any figures on this. The wheelset weight is 1,649g (738g front, 911g rear). That’s just 40g heavier than the Dura-Ace WH-R9270-C60-TL wheelset.

Weights, prices and availability

Here's a graphic overview of the Shimano Ultegra R8100 range:

2022 Shimano Ultegra 8100 lineup chart - 1.jpeg

And here are the weights of Shimano R8100 components compared with those of previous-generation Ultegra R8000 (in grams):

Component  R8000 R8100
 Rear derailleur        240        262
 Front derailleur        133        116
 Cassette (11-30T)          269        297
 Chain        257        252
 Crankset (52-36T, 170 mm w/PM)          769
 Crankset (52-36T, 170 mm)        681        711
 Bottom bracket          66          66
 Shifter (pair, ST-R8170)        360        391
 Brake caliper (pair)        285        282
 BH (Brake hose)          60          60
 Rotor        251        212
 Cable/EW       39.9       14.5
 Battery          50          53
 JCT-A (EW-RS910)         6.4  
 JCT-B (SM-JC41)            4  
 Wireless Unit (EW-WU111)            3  
 Total (not including power meter)  2705.3  2716.5

As you can see, the overall weights are very similar. 

Here are the prices for Shimano Ultegra R8100 individual components:

Component Price
 Bottom bracket (press-fit)  £32.99
 Bottom bracket (threaded)  £34.99
 Chainset  £299.99
 Chainset with power meter   £999.99
 Cassette   £119.99
 Front derailleur  £249.99
 Rear derailleur  £699.99
 STI shifters (pair, for mechanical brakes)   £399.99
 STI shifter with hydro disc brake calliper and hose (per unit)   £449.99
 Sprinter shifters   £119.99
 Top bar shifters   £119.99
 Rim brake (per unit, central mount)    £79.99
 Rim brake (per unit, direct mount)   £89.99 
 Ice Tech Freeza rotor (per unit)    £49.99
 Pedals  £159.99
 Wheel (front, C36, C50, C60)  £579.99
 Wheel (rear, C36, C50, C60)  £679.99
 E-Tube individual wires  From £24.99
 E-Tube BB junction  From £20.99
 Battery  £174.99
 Charging cable  £44.99

Shimano says that Ultegra R8100 components will be available in stores from October 2021. How realistic that is, we couldn’t tell you.

www.shimano.com

Mat has been in cycling media since 1996, on titles including BikeRadar, Total Bike, Total Mountain Bike, What Mountain Bike and Mountain Biking UK, and he has been editor of 220 Triathlon and Cycling Plus. Mat has been road.cc technical editor for over a decade, testing bikes, fettling the latest kit, and trying out the most up-to-the-minute clothing. We send him off around the world to get all the news from launches and shows too. He has won his category in Ironman UK 70.3 and finished on the podium in both marathons he has run. Mat is a Cambridge graduate who did a post-grad in magazine journalism, and he is a winner of the Cycling Media Award for Specialist Online Writer. Now over 50, he's riding road and gravel bikes most days for fun and fitness rather than training for competitions.

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alan sherman | 2 years ago
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I miss the days when road and MTB stuff was interchangeable. Shimano are creating a compatability nightmare amongst their own ranges.

Was the 10speed 6800 Ultegra the high point for mechanical groups etc and compatability?

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fukawitribe replied to alan sherman | 2 years ago
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alan sherman wrote:

I miss the days when road and MTB stuff was interchangeable. Shimano are creating a compatability nightmare amongst their own ranges.

Was the 10speed 6800 Ultegra the high point for mechanical groups etc and compatability?

No, because there was no such thing.

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PRSboy | 2 years ago
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For us luddites, a Campagnolo Record 12 groupset is currently £1800.

Or the Shimano R7000 group still available for £1,000, only a £100 cheaper than Campag Chorus 12s.  Forza Italia...

 

 

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Nick T replied to PRSboy | 2 years ago
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You can get it a lot less than that, £1400 at Merlin for Record. I paid £1800 for Super Record last year

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Chris Harris | 2 years ago
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By all means change to partly wireless, but it seems particularly silly for Shimano to change the wires to be non-compatible.

My first road bike is mechanical 105 2x11 speed hydro disc; which am soon changing over to gravel / touring duties (has an alu frame with mounting points on frame & fork). I am assembling a Spec Allez Sprint (alu frame) Disc with mix Ultegra/DuraAce Di2 2x11 hydro disc (for crit racing / group rides/races). You see all my main wear components (cassettes (which I swap for flatter versus mountain riding), brake pads & especially chains) are same / interchangeable spares. Good.

In future I want to assemble myself a Di2 2x11 road bike, focussed on distance riding & comfort, so carbon frame, but using same pool of spares. Good.

For how long will the "old" shifters, wires, FD & RD be available ? Does that mean I need to put aside shifters, Di2 wires, FD and RD ? What do you reckon ?

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Secret_squirrel replied to Chris Harris | 2 years ago
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The wires aren't fully non compatible you can get an adapter to go from old (big) to new (little).  This also allows Shimano to keep the old TT shifters and perhaps the Rim brake shifters in the model line up.

There is a vaguely sane justification for the change - to get more ports on things like the battery and eliminate the need for junction boxes they made the diameter smaller.  Since there is a massive installed base both DI2 and Steps I expect the wires to be around for ever.   Also bear in mind that GRX DI2 is still on the old version and hasnt had an update - I expect thats at least a year out.

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Chris Harris replied to Secret_squirrel | 2 years ago
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Thank you for helping with that, much appreciated.

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mikewood | 2 years ago
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Just need a hack kit now to upgrade existing R8000 Di2 to 12sp with a cassette, chain, software change and some adjustment to the limit screws

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stevez123 | 2 years ago
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Being in IT I hate it when someone mentions batteries and expecially FIRMWARE for a bike. I've seen too many people with Ebikes trying to find a place to update their rides that I will stay away from them for the near future. And what happens when the lame coders they hire give you a bad download and you become the beta tester for the code? No thanks, I'll stay with mechanical shifting as long as I can.

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Miller replied to stevez123 | 2 years ago
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Everything gets firmware updates now: phones, PCs, cameras, my car's entertainment system, the house tv. This is not a good reason to stay away from electronic shifting.

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stevez123 replied to Miller | 2 years ago
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Well that's just one reason. The other is that I ride 2k-3k miles a year and really don't see any value add in electronic shifting. I'm not racing and use my bike for fitness and recreation so the added expense is just not worth it. Besides less cablles what's the advantage for someone like me? 

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Miller replied to stevez123 | 2 years ago
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stevez123 wrote:

Well that's just one reason. The other is that I ride 2k-3k miles a year and really don't see any value add in electronic shifting. I'm not racing and use my bike for fitness and recreation so the added expense is just not worth it. Besides less cablles what's the advantage for someone like me? 

Another article on this site lists bikes available with the new 12sp groups, the cheapest of which is £3.9k. Is that within your price range? if not, no need to worry.

 

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wycombewheeler replied to stevez123 | 2 years ago
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stevez123 wrote:

Being in IT I hate it when someone mentions batteries and expecially FIRMWARE for a bike. I've seen too many people with Ebikes trying to find a place to update their rides that I will stay away from them for the near future. And what happens when the lame coders they hire give you a bad download and you become the beta tester for the code? No thanks, I'll stay with mechanical shifting as long as I can.

I've had my aeroad with di2 since April 2017. Never even considered updating firmware. The system works, it is never attached to the Internet so I don't have to worry about security patches. Why install new software which may or may not work properly, when I know it all works at present?

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Secret_squirrel | 2 years ago
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Interesting note I came across on backwards compatability.  New TT shifters haven't been launched (as yet) so Shimano are making the existing 11 speed ones compatible with 12 speed DI2 with a firmware update and a small adapter plug for the different wire diameters.  For that reason TT bikes remain fully wired from the cockpit even with the new gruppo.   As do the Rim brake options which I suspect are going to be re-branded 11 speed versions, as again the internals are completely different to the disc brake STI's.

Part of me hopes the DI2 hackers can put together something for the 11 speed DI2 STI's.

In other news I've seen other sites saying that the Rim brake version will be territory limited/pro kit only.  ie to service INEOS and a few others.

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Steve K | 2 years ago
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I wonder if part of the point of making Ultegra electronic only is to create a significant point of difference between it and 105 in the Shimano range.  From reading reviews of the two 11 speed versions, other than a fairly marginal weight gain, there seems to be very little between them (and I personally would find it hard to justify the additional cost of Ultegra over 105).

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Secret_squirrel replied to Steve K | 2 years ago
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I'm unconvinced Ultegra mechanical is dead.  There is nothing that suggests so on the Shimano site, so I think its a case of over speculating by the bike press at this point.   On an engineering level there was very little cross over between R8000 Ultegra Mechanical & DI2 anyway - they were essentially 2 different sets of components with the same branding.  Just the cranks, chain and BB brakes were the same - all the expensive parts were competely different.

The price point argument looks dubious when you see there's a honking great hole at Ultegra Mechanical where AXS Rival is currently sitting.  Too big a gap between 105 mechanical and ultegra di2 will have some attractively specced SRAM bikes sitting between them.

 

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fixit | 2 years ago
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"Shimano has also kicked the 46-36T Ultegra chainset into the long grass with its GRX groupsets now catering for both cyclocross and gravel riders." who said that 46-36 has anything to do with gravel??

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Secret_squirrel replied to fixit | 2 years ago
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fixit wrote:

"Shimano has also kicked the 46-36T Ultegra chainset into the long grass with its GRX groupsets now catering for both cyclocross and gravel riders." who said that 46-36 has anything to do with gravel??

Indeed! Since the GRX Cranks are 48/31 (GRX800 ultegra spec)and 46/30 (GRX600 - 105 spec), CX racers are now shafted if they want a high spec close ratio front chain ring.   

Also the 8100 Ultegra RD doesn't have a clutch like the existing Ultegra CX RD.  I suspect Shimano wants them on GRX 1x but with SRAM potentially offering a better set of choices and a cheaper entry point into electronic 1x 12 speed they might lose share.  I doubt the CX specific stuff sold particularly well but its a gap.  Of course CX'er will be able to stay with Mechanical Ultegra at least until that get a refresh - probably next year?

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ibr17xvii | 2 years ago
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No price for the Ultegra RD?

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Kim Chee | 2 years ago
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Bye Bye Ultegra (Shimano?). I have LOVED Ultegra and XT since they were pre- Arabesque 600 and Deerhead, respectively. I am not a Luddite but its so nice to have a BICYCLE, not a motorized (in any form) piece of equipment to enjoy the simplicity and beauty of BICYCLING. Although I now mostly use Dingle Speed Quickbeams for most riding, I will enjoy my current 36x46 Ultegra/GRX for road/gravel; and the WONDERFUL, smashing value mechanical MicroShift Advent on my MTB. For young UNRACERS, a belt drive with internal geared hub is the way to go for low hassle performance. So long, Shimano! 

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Blackthorne replied to Kim Chee | 2 years ago
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So you were never really a ultegra/dura ace road customer to begin with. And what does their mtb group sets have anything to do with this?

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clayfit | 2 years ago
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Still the same faff with wires, although a bit less than before.  At least the cabling should be easier because one kit should fit all bikes.

Fitting eTap is an absolute joy.  Bolt them on, pair them, adjust the screws and you really are done in 10 minutes.

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Rik Mayals unde... | 2 years ago
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I think it's a damn shame that mechanical versions are not offered, I'm not a Luddite by any means, but some people want the reliability of mechanical gears for a number of reasons. Reliabilty for a commuting bike, not having to charge up, and those touring spring to mind. It's my guess that they will force some customers onto SRAM or Campagnolo mechanical groupsets. That is, if SRAM do any mechanical sets, I have no idea.

I made the shift a few years ago from Dura Ace to Record and Super Record RS on a couple of my bikes. I personally would not go back. In my opinion the gearchange is far better on the Campags. More more precise and not at all vague like some Shimanos.

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clayfit replied to Rik Mayals underpants | 2 years ago
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I've been on Di2 for 5+ years and can say that reliability is fine.  

Only issue was that I had to diagnose and replace a broken battery, but that was because the bike builder didn't fix it in the seatpost properly and it rattled itself to death.  Otherwise, apart from charging it every 3 months or so, absolutely no readjustments, no new cables, it works like the day I got it.

What I like, on this gravel bike, is being able to shift under load, perfectly every time.  

I also have bikes with Dura Ace mechanical, 2 road bikes with SRAM Red, and eTap on the mountain bike.  I'll not buy another mechanical drivetrain.

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Secret_squirrel replied to Rik Mayals underpants | 2 years ago
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It's a bit presumptuous to assume there'll never be a 12 speed mechanical after 1 day of announcements. 

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TheBillder replied to Rik Mayals underpants | 2 years ago
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Might Ultegra commuters be quite a small niche? Don't get me wrong, I share the concern that mechanical shifting might be on its way out. But until the boiling of the mechanical shifting frog reaches Tiagra, it's surely not much of a worry.

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Rendel Harris | 2 years ago
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Shame the wireless levers couldn't be made rechargable too - I could imagine a fair bit of waste swapping the coin batteries out while still viable "just in case" before a tour or big ride. Or can the app tell you how much power's left?

On another note, though I love my (old, 10-speed) Ultegra Di2 and wouldn't ever go back, not sure it's a great idea to make Ultegra Di2 only. I can see this trickling down to 105 then before you know it it's buy Di2 or settle for Claris. I'm lucky, living in London, to have excellent Di2-qualified mechanics around the corner - people who live a long way from a bike shop might still want top-end groupsets but to stick to easier-to-fix mechanical.

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andystow replied to Rendel Harris | 2 years ago
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Rendel Harris wrote:

Shame the wireless levers couldn't be made rechargable too - I could imagine a fair bit of waste swapping the coin batteries out while still viable "just in case" before a tour or big ride. Or can the app tell you how much power's left?

A CR1632 holds about 130 mA-h at 3 V, so under 400 mW-h. Solar cells are available at around 10 mW/cm², so with appropriate electronics a rechargeable equivalent could be kept charged with 40 hours of full sun from a 1 cm² cell, 20 hours if 2 cm², etc. Should be possible for most riders even in England over the course of two years. Maybe something for the next iteration.

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Rendel Harris replied to andystow | 2 years ago
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That sounds an interesting option - I assume the necessary cell/electrics would weigh next to nothing?

 

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andystow replied to Rendel Harris | 2 years ago
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Rendel Harris wrote:

That sounds an interesting option - I assume the necessary cell/electrics would weigh next to nothing?

You can already buy solar rechargeable wristwatches, so that would be the high end of the required weight. Probably negligible enough.

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