Cycling campaigners in London have called on transport authorities to address the design issues which encourage some cyclists to jump red lights, after an ITV News reporter “caught” 200 people on bikes riding through red in the space of an hour at a single traffic light this week.
Earlier this week, ITV News’ Rags Martel stood beside a traffic light located on a cycle lane on Victoria Embankment, opposite Blackfriars station in central London, between 8.20am and 9.20am.
Martel, who in June posted a video report on his YouTube channel entitled ‘Council builds £2 million roundabout for bikes in industrial estate… that no one uses’, counted 293 cyclists using the bike lane during rush hour.
Of those 293 cyclists, he claimed 200 rode through a red light, saying in his report: “The lights are red, but no-one is stopping.”
During the report, Martel also spoke to a number of motorists, cyclists, pedestrians, and road safety campaigners about their views on red light-jumping cyclists, who have become the focal point of debates surrounding cycling in the capital in recent years.

Last year, the Metropolitan Police revealed that 11 cyclists a day were stopped and fined for riding through red lights in London in 2023. And so far in 2025, 284 cyclists in the City of London’s square mile have been fined for failing to stop at a red light – a number, Martel notes, not far removed from the one he counted on Tuesday morning at a single traffic light.
“I think it’s ridiculous,” one motorist told the reporter this week. “More needs to be done about it, because if they get hit by one of us and we hurt them seriously, obviously there’s a big issue there. It winds me up on a daily basis, to be honest.”
A pedestrian also told Martel that she’d “love it if cyclists respected” the rules.
“I have a buggy, so for me to be able to cross and look either side, I always miss one,” she said. “So it is really dangerous. The lights are there for a reason, so we can all cross and not bump into each other, it feels pretty simple.”
Meanwhile, one cyclist, when asked whether people on bikes should obey the law more, replied: “Definitely, it’s dangerous. Most people have headphones on, they’re not looking where they’re going, it’s infuriating.”
Another cyclist, however, was stopped by Martel after riding through the red, and told the reporter that he was “sorry about that one” and that he believes he should obey the law.
Speaking to Martel, road safety campaigner Gerard Griffiths argued that the number of cyclists failing to stop at red lights “comes across as entitlement”.
Griffiths’ mother Hilda died in 2022, two months after she was struck by cyclist Brian Fitzgerald in Regent’s Park, sustaining several broken bones and bleeding on the brain. A coroner’s request last May confirmed that no charges will be brought against Fitzgerald, who was travelling at between 25 and 29mph at the time of the collision, “due to insufficient evidence”.
“It comes across as entitlement,” Griffiths told ITV when asked about red light-jumping cyclists. “If that was the case with motor vehicles, there’d be carnage. And the more people who cycle, the more chances of accidents and collisions, and tragic ones, like in the case of my mum.
“There’s a reason why cars and motorbikes and lorries stop at red lights – because they have to. They know there are consequences if they go through them. Bikes or people that cycle just don’t seem to have that same sort of attitude.”

However, the London Cycling Campaign’s Simon Munk told the reporter that some of London’s cycle lanes are currently operating over their capacity, and that the issues concerning traffic lights and the flow of cycle traffic need to be addressed to ensure fewer people on bikes feel compelled to ride through reds.
Munk also noted that pedestrians are statistically more likely to ignore traffic signals than cyclists, while Martel pointed out in his report that cyclists are far less likely to kill than be killed on Britain’s roads, with fewer than one per cent of pedestrian deaths stemming from collisions with people on bikes.
“It’s not good, and we shouldn’t be jumping red lights,” Munk said. “But what we know is that cyclists are jumping red lights and misbehaving illegally and dangerously in roughly the same proportion as pedestrians.
“In fact, pedestrians are slightly worse behaved, and drivers are about as equally badly behaved as cyclists [at traffic lights].
“This is annoying, and it’s really deeply hostile to pedestrians. These people shouldn’t be doing it, but it’s not actually statistically very dangerous.
“I think it’s important to understand that we shouldn’t be accepting cyclists jumping red lights, but we should be working out why. We should be working out what the problem is and fixing it.”
One of those problems, the London Cycling Campaign pointed out, is the design flaws inherent in some traffic lights.

Focusing on the traffic light that formed the basis of ITV’s report, the campaign called on London’s transport authorities to “design out the issues causing” cyclists to jump the red light.
“Blackfriars Bridge has too-low capacity and badly-phased lights in quick succession,” the group said on social media.
“Let’s do better for everyone without wagging fingers.”
Of course, issues with cyclists and red lights aren’t confined to London. Last week, we reported that a 75-year-old criticised what he believes was the “wrong-headed” decision to fine him almost £300 for allegedly crossing a stop line at a red light, insisting that he was simply making sure he was in a “safe place” and “following best practice for cyclists at traffic lights”.
John Frank was cycling from Farnham, Surrey, on his way to Godalming when he was stopped by a police officer after filtering past a queue of traffic on the Borough shopping street.
After making his way to the front of the queue, Frank then turned right on to South Street, where the officer pulled him over and issued him with a fixed penalty notice (FPN) of £50 for venturing beyond the white stop line at the lights.
Surrey Police said that the cyclist “had cut up through the middle” of traffic on the road before stopping beyond the line, and then proceeded to “start off prior to the lights changing to green”.
But the pensioner has since pointed out that his actions did not endanger or inconvenience any pedestrian or other road user, claiming that, during the period in which he was being spoken to by the officer, three motorists jumped the same red light.




















53 thoughts on ““Let’s do better for everyone without wagging fingers”: ITV News reporter “catches” 200 cyclists jumping red lights in one hour – but cycling campaigners say design issues are to blame”
re “pedestrians ignoring
re “pedestrians ignoring traffic signals”. I would expect more pedestrians to cross even if the green man is not illuminating, because it is not against the law. Cyclists going through red lights is breaking the law.
Slow news day at ITV was it?
Slow news day at ITV was it? Reporter’s views/clicks down & it’s performance review time or something, hence the ragebait “journalism”?
It’s not like there’s much else going on in the world I guess. Or did one of the cyclists have the Epstein papers on them?
Going through a red light is
Going through a red light is wrong and should be stopped. If the ITV news reporter stood for an hour on Priory Lane, which leads into Richmond Park, the news reporter would have noticed that nearly all the motor vehicles travel a lot faster than the 20MPH speed limit.
kingleo wrote:
Now you’re being silly, the reporter obviously believes car drivers are saints.
Is it just me, or is there a
Is it just me, or is there a pattern of “dangerous cyclists” stories in the past few months, just as the odious IDS’s amendment to the Justice (?) bill makes its way through parliament? The amendment would make dangerous cycling liable to the same punishments as dangerous driving, but given that dangerous driving is very infrequently applied and more often downgraded to careless driving, should we be worried?
Pretty sure they are
Pretty sure they are introducing death by Careless Cycling as well as death by dangerous cycling.
I wonder how many of those
I wonder how many of those cyclists going through red lights are on pay per minute hire bikes?
Yawn. I wonder how many
Yawn. I wonder how many drivers can be caught red lighting? And who’s going to do the most damage? And let’s not get on to speeding. But, fine, focus on the issue causing the least problems why don’t you ITV?
PB is actually making an
PB is actually making an important point about the influence paying by the minute bike hire has on rider behaviour as they take unnecessary risks in order to minimize expenditure by getting to their destination as quickly as possible. Anyone who rides in London will see ridiculous and dangerous behaviour from Lime and similar bike riders and it’s a fair assumption that at least some of it is driven by the desire to pay as little as possible for the hire. If the hire companies could be persuaded to switch to pay-per-mile rather than per minute that could have a significant positive effect on rider behaviour, in my opinion.
Rendel Harris wrote:
It’s funny how the MAMIL tropes continue on RLJ and other contraventions on the Highway Code, when Lime Bike (and similar) riders are much more likely to be the culprits. I don’t know if you are right on the reasons, but it’s not an unreasonable hypothesis.
It doesn’t matter that a
It doesn’t matter that a cyclist is unlikely to do much damage if they get their red light call wrong. It doesn’t matter if a driver is “only 3mph over the speed limit”, or 30, or 130, they’re all breaking the law. However, I do however, call bullsh*t on his stats of 200/293 cyclist jumped the lights. I think that’s hugely unlikley and having commuted for decades in London, Glasgow, New York, Johannesburg by bike, and having ridden for over 55 years, I’ve never seen that high a % of RLJs, not even in Manhattan.
As it stands riders break the
As it stands riders break the law when Critical Mass London rides through red lights, but CM is safest when the mass stays together in one group of hundreds of cyclists, rather than lots of groups of 10-20 riders split up by traffic lights. I’ve corked junctions myself on CM, and I’ve had drivers literally tell me “I don’t care about your safety, it’s the law”. So far as I’m concerned cyclists going through red lights is the equivalent of running around with a butter knife. You could injure someone but it’s very unlikely, at least so long as you’re not blasting through pedestrians trying to cross the road.
My point is, I don’t think laws of the land automatically align perfectly with what is just and ethical. Perhaps you think a certain protest group are all terrorists too 👀
Bigfoz wrote:
Agreed. I ride in central London at rush hour most days and I’d say the proportion of RLJ cyclists is around 20%, not nearly 70%.
Rendel Harris wrote:
It varies massively from lights to lights. I no longer cycle over Blackfriars Bridge, since we moved offices 20 months ago, but I would say it probably had one of the higher rates of RLJ – mainly for the reasons boopop points out – so I can believe that figure.
Either way, 70% is below the official stats for speeding in 20mph zones.
Depends what part of London
Depends what part of London you stand in to do this survey, its a big place i dont doubt the instances of RLJ vary wildly across the place, per time of day, day of week, month of the year, the weather and with type of rider.
None of which gets us anywhere in the debate, but its gaslighting for campaigners to claim design issues cause it or that its not an issue in London (central London, West End/square mile for avoidance of doubt)
The stuff about drivers in this case is whataboutery because London boroughs use an extensive cctv camera network to fine drivers who do jump lights.And if you don’t believe me feel free to drive through a red light in London and see what happens.
It’s certainly there to see
It’s certainly there to see in e.g. Ogmios’ vids.
People are very sensitive to others “dismissing things” … that suggests to me we should establish some numbers to try to cool things down. (faint hope)
I don’t know – but what is the baseline for pedestrians being hit / close passed by others – ideally by severity / area / region / type of infra? What are the numbers for cyclists? What are the rates (probably adjusted for “exposure” somehow, like the “per billion passenger km”)?
Could it be simply that the numbers of cyclists have grown? And also “food delivery” (which feel does need looked at on several levels)?
Well there seems to be gaslighting there … but where? At least as quoted in the article above the campaigners simply didn’t say the latter. Unless you mean “it’s not actually statistically very dangerous” is either a bald lie or an attempt to diminish (every life matters)? Then – would not some careful stats counter that? I’ll address the former below.
Again apologies if I have missed something or you’re reading something they’ve expounded elsewhere? You’re clearly seeing it very differently to me.
On “design issues” I feel they are simply pointing out that humans in the mass are not great at waiting for lights. I think that’s why they’re noting that people walking do this as you might expect and people driving do it too, despite “but they have the book thrown at them” (see later). And that in fact all over the world this fact is recognised and as well as “policing” people do indeed try to “design around” this. Examples include (inevitably) apps, waiting / green countdown timers (for pedestrians as well as cyclists), smarter lights, lights which default to green for slower vulnerable road users – or the most efficient modes like public transit etc. Example here, another example, examples of simply avoiding the issue sometimes, or all the time…
Where you diagnose whataboutery:
… surely that’s fairly simply answered (albeit by effortful data gathering): what is the casualty rate and what contributes to it and how much? Have drivers in London stopped driving through red lights? Certainly anecdata is no good, but we know there’s at least one – because someone was killed.
stonojnr wrote:
Yes…and no. From my submissions to the Met of RLJ drivers they want the red to be “fully established” (to coin a phrase) for at least two seconds before they’ll send out a fine, so although you will definitely get done if you drive straight through an established red you’ll probably get away with it if you gun the engine when you see the light turn amber and pass through a second after it’s gone red, which I would imagine is the cause of most incidents (very few drivers in London will just completely ignore a light if it’s red as they approach). I’m not sure how extensive borough’s CCTV networks are either, in the centre (RBKC, Westminster, Islington, and the City) there are quite a few cameras, further out not so much. The nearest pelican to me outside East Dulwich station is absolutely notorious for two or three drivers driving through on red virtually every time and yet despite frequent pleas from myself and many others there’s no camera there apart from a traffic monitoring one that can’t be used for evidence due to its positioning.
Blackfriars? That has one of
Blackfriars? That has one of the most ridiculous red lights for cyclists in London. Here
If you’re heading east on Victoria Embankment, and you want to turn left heading north on to the A201 assuming the following is true:
-The green man isn’t lit up.
-There’s no cyclists approaching from the bridge.
I don’t see what the risk is. Now, yes, you have to be careful and if it’s rush hour with lots of cyclists approaching, or there’s lots of pedestrians milling around the junction, there’s some risk. My point is though that all you’re crossing is a lights controlled pedestrian crossing and merging with another cycle lane, at no point will you enter a space that motor vehicles ever access. In the dead of night when there’s no traffic (walking or motor) it must feel absolutely insane to have to wait there when taking that left. All you have to do is check for pedestrians and cyclists on your right, with excellent visibility to check for both. It does frustrate me that the Highway Code trusts me to ride on a single track country lane with blind corners, where I’m constantly judging risk, yet at that junction, suddenly I’m deemed incapable of judging risk carrying out an arguably much safer activity.
In Paris they mark certain junctions as for cyclists as you can go through the red at your own risk in certain directions. I think the UK ought to have this too, and turning left as I’ve described at this junction ought to be the first place it’s implemented.
Agreed. I very rarely jump
Agreed. I very rarely jump lights, but I make an exception for those lights.
Totally – but … it’s the UK
Totally (and Edinburgh has it’s own versions now e.g. on the cycle path here between the lights – in fact there are several similar places on this route) – but … it’s the UK – so it’s about the pedestrians.
Sadly despite the powers that be being happy to “build” a cycle path by sticking a sign up on a former footway they won’t “risk” pedestrians on crossings. And indeed there would be (and is) real outrage with the idea of cyclists not coming to a stop at such a crossing. (What about those with visual impairments / disabilities / old people / young people?)
I have a modicum of sympathy, because in the UK we’re all indoctrinated as kids about lights and crossings – and we need to be, and we as pedestrians get a crap deal – because motor vehicles.
It’s the usual “OK, we’ll give you safety – in exchange for convenience”. Press the button and wait, maybe minutes – but then the deal should be “it’s your turn to cross in safety”. Only … you better hurry. And it might be far – there may be multiple lanes, and motorists may “not see” you because other vehicles (and they “had to go through red because
it wasn’t establishedsafety”). And if there’s a staggered crossing you’ll then repeat the same process.The cure (eventually) would be to stick a decent-width refuge in the middle (take more space from the motor lane!) and hopefully we’ll all learn that in fact pedestrians and cyclists on a cycle path can negotiate passage conveniently, simply and without lights at all.
I’m still not generally in favour of anyone going through red lights (don’t want “jaywalking” laws for pedestrians though!). Let’s just keep that a simple, basic safety rule – but sort out the reasons why people feel the need to (e.g. lights that don’t detect cyclists, crap infra like ASLs …)
Worth noting this is the
Worth noting this is the temporary cycle lane until the tideway works are complete (when the cycle lane moved to the river side which before had no traffic lights to joint the Blackfriars bridge cycle lane).
So problem will be solved by next year (assuming the tideway works are completed soon).
This is the scene from 2016
This is the scene from 2016 where the cycle lane will be returned to: https://maps.app.goo.gl/jhbVMJMFpfQgaAK88
This is an excellent bit of
This is an excellent bit of journalism by ITV!
They stood there for an hour and found that 200 out of 293 cyclists rode through a red light, yet there were no incidents recorded at all. More proof that cycling carefully through a red light (such as is permitted in parts of France and the USA) could work well here in the UK..
Great work guys! 👍
The problem is that once you
The problem is that once you get used to the idea you can do it, it causes all sorts of problems. You mention this is permitted in parts of France. In Paris there’s been considerable hostility to it from pedestrians because it’s impossible to know if a cyclist will stop or not. Close passes by cyclists are a daily occurrence.
If the Jornalist had hung
If the Jornalist had hung around he might have been able record dangerous issues that arose from the RLJ rather than treating the RLJ as the issue itself.
Drivers regularly roll slowly through stop signs without coming to a complete stop. This is covered by the same traffic laws. I’m sure that they would make the completely obvious point that this rarely causes issues as long as the driver takes care when doing so.
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Possibly, but probably no more than you might expect to see at a zebra crossing.
I watched the linked video and it seems the red light they chose to record these cyclists at was actually a pedestrian crossing over a cycle track – which would probably be better suited to being a zebra-crossing anyway.
In fact, I think the only reason it has traffic controlled lights for cyclists, is because the pedestrian crossing forms part of a crossing that also controls motorised vehicles. You wouldn’t see traffic lights like this deployed to control cyclists at a floating bus stop for instance. The lights here really seem to be a by-product of motorised traffic.
As red light jumping cyclist go, this seems to be a low bar.
That light is ridiculously
That light is ridiculously badly phased, or was last time I rode through it a couple of weeks back: I and about ten other cyclists were held there for over three minutes even though there were no pedestrians using the beg button. I was just discussing with the people either side of me whether the light was broken and we could ignore it when it finally changed. I’d imagine those who use that route regularly (I don’t) know this and it contributes to their RLJ (which frankly is no harm no foul there if there aren’t any peds around). I’d further imagine that the ITV team were fully cognizant of this and deliberately chose that light to fit their narrative.
There’s always the old “hop
There’s always the old “hop off, bounce through, hop on” technique which certainly ticks “legal” and “not waiting” boxes. Though is a manoeuvre that can go wrong. Plus not everyone can, it’s effortfull and in general will please no-one.
Counterintuitively I wonder if the solution to “people shouting about priveledged cyclists” is to *actually* make cyclists priveledged! Or rather – first or at least 2nd class citizens rather than 3rd.
I’d bet many people would stop seeing riders as targets for ire and get those priveledges for themselves! Like we did with motor vehicles…
“They know there are
“They know there are consequences if they go through them. Bikes or people that cycle just don’t seem to have that same sort of attitude.”……. 200 cyclists ride through a red light in an hour at rush hour and the only consequences is a decisive news story. That should tell people everything they need to know about that red light.
And how many cars went
And how many
carsdrivers went through on Amber or Red?Or was that not the story they wanted?
Amended before I get told off
And how many cars drivers
And how many
carsdrivers went through on Amber or Red?Of course, if you widen it to what the laughable (as the police and many drivers see it) Highway Code (and the associated legislation) states, then it’s a large number. As the police refuse to act on RLJs by drivers, we know how the sniggering coppers would react to someone reporting a driver for going through after the lights turned amber and when there was no danger from following traffic- even I don’t send those in
https://upride.cc/incident/kn13aus_knausmotorhome_doubleredlightpass/
That’s 2 through on amber and 2 on red
https://upride.cc/incident/pn72ooe_dacia_redlightpass/ 1 red
https://upride.cc/incident/pg73hya_suzuki1300_redlightpass/ 1 red
https://upride.cc/incident/pe18ojj_insignia_redlightpass/ 1 amber, 1 red
https://upride.cc/incident/pl24vsx_sportage_redlightcross/ 1 amber 1 red
https://upride.cc/incident/ov74urx_polestar_redlightpass/ 1 amber 1 red
https://upride.cc/incident/lonsdalebus_route88_redlightpass/ 1 amber 1 red
https://upride.cc/incident/a15tjv_bmwm4_redlightpass/ 1 red
https://upride.cc/incident/jo55chb_kiasportage_redlightpass/ 2 amber 1 red
https://upride.cc/incident/kl04ndo_vw_redlightpass/ 1 red
https://upride.cc/incident/da21sww_leon_redlightpass/ 1 amber 1 red
https://upride.cc/incident/pl68tev_polo_redlightpass/ 1 red
https://upride.cc/incident/de56ztv_discovery_redlightpass/ 1 red
https://upride.cc/incident/ma08opb_crv_redlightpass/ 1 red
https://upride.cc/incident/fh16vfa_rrover_redlightcross/ 1 red
https://upride.cc/incident/k7ddy_audia4_redlightpass/ 1 red 1 amber
https://upride.cc/incident/g16dht_hgvtrainer_redlightcross/ 1 red
https://upride.cc/incident/pj23vmc_honda125_redlightcross/ 1 red
https://upride.cc/incident/ye10aju_mini_redlightcross/ 1 red
https://upride.cc/incident/ds6972_porsche_redlightpass/ 1 amber 1 red
https://upride.cc/incident/fd67nej_bmw420_redlightcross/ 2 amber 1 red
https://upride.cc/incident/t90jdt_audiwithcaravan_rljatspeed/ 1 amber 1 red
https://upride.cc/incident/pn68kpg_hiluxtrailer_redlightcross/ 1 amber 1 red
https://upride.cc/incident/vo12hxu_berlingo_redlightpass/ 1 amber 1 red
https://upride.cc/incident/dl66xgz_lcctraffic_redlightpass/ 1 red
https://upride.cc/incident/mf09hyk_chevroletaveo_redlightcross/ 1 red
https://upride.cc/incident/pe62gyb_agila_redlightcross/ 2 amber 1 red
https://upride.cc/incident/f2yny_rangerover_redlightcross/ 2 amber 1 red
https://upride.cc/incident/yd18knj_vwgolf_redlightcross/ 1 amber 1 red
https://upride.cc/incident/px68nhc_toyotatrailer_redlightcross/ 2 amber 1 red
https://upride.cc/incident/lc11vep_kiavenga_redlightcross/ 1 amber 1 red
It appears that my impression was wrong- including amber offences hardly even doubles the number of offences to be ritually forgiven/ ignored by Lancashire Constabulary. You may well ask what the point of all that was, now that the paywall means that I can’t cite this topic as a quick reference to all the RLJs I have reported. I have been meaning to revise the list for amber offences, and this gave me an excuse. I have saved it as a text file.
You won’t see ITV, or anybody else, making a shock-horror story out of this, because that would be War on the Motorist
To be fair; if the driver
To be fair; if the driver went through, the car probably, er, followed.
The rate of offending may be
The rate of offending may be more or less the same as pedestrians, but the speed isn’t. So the chances of being hit and injured are far higher & bikes are often moving at 20-30kph and the speed differential to pedestrians is huge, added to which everyone’s used to the idea there’s no/low risk of being mown down when the lights are red…
That’s fair, in the UK now.
That’s fair, in the UK now. But again experience shows that people can and likely will adapt over time, if the infra is right and cycling becomes somewhat more “normal”
EDIT (to avoid doubt) I (like Mr. Munk) think we should keep “red means stop” as a universal simple rule. And Mr. Munk / the LCC cover it well with “we shouldn’t be accepting cyclists jumping red lights, but we should be working out why. We should be working out what the problem is and fixing it.” and “let’s fix some design flaws”.
Certainly there are lots of concerns about “speeding cyclists” (often quoting TdF numbers or more). I would note that the majority are slower, particularly when transport cycling, and that trend will likely increase if cycling becomes more common.
Yes, “but delivery riders” – see “e-things” and I feel separate regulation is long overdue there anyway (companies outsourcing risk and responsibilities on the public).
Many people can sprint on foot, or even run for exercise – but it’s much less common to see that happening on busy footpaths. And while people can and do crack on on proper cycle infra I think adaption will happen and that will be in the quiet places / countryside, just like running / jogging. There won’t be that pressure left over from “have to sprint between lights to keep up with / for fear of motor traffic”. Indeed networks of proper infra promote faster average speeds in urban areas in large part by reducing the amount of time spent not moving.
That’s not to say that there won’t be problems – as in any transition. Or greater “bad cyclist” enforcement needs because more cyclists, and some “entitled” or “aggressive” types with their elbows out, as sometimes seen in videos even on road.cc
-Of those 293 cyclists, he
–Of those 293 cyclists, he claimed 200 rode through a red light, saying in his report: “The lights are red, but no-one is stopping.”–
Wait. By that logic, 93 did NOT jump the red.
So why the lie: “… no-one is stopping.”??
Bringing in Gerard Griffiths, whose mother Hilda died after a collision involving a cyclist is irrelevant to this issue of red light jumping as that was not the case with that fatality.
–“It comes across as entitlement,” Griffiths told ITV when asked about red light-jumping cyclists. “If that was the case with motor vehicles, there’d be carnage. And the more people who cycle, the more chances of accidents and collisions, and tragic ones, like in the case of my mum.-
As McEnroe said: “You cannot be serious.”
If all cyclists obeyed the rules, the KSI stats for road users would barely change.
If all drivers obeyed the rules…?
And with motorists, there IS carnage.
But it is treated with a shrug.
London Cycling Campaign’s
London Cycling Campaign’s Simon Munk”
“Munk also noted that pedestrians are statistically more likely to ignore traffic signals …”
I wonder how Munk can tell pedestrians ignore signals or how they are “… worse behaved …” [than cyclists]. AFAIK there are no signals pedestrians have to abide by – thankfully “Jaywalking” is not an offence as it is in other countries. Any signals are advisory.
If I’m waiting at lights knowing they are seeing the red man but also that I won’t get green until long after they would have crossed I sometimes try to encourage.
robike wrote:
Agreed on the “no to jaywalking” but doesn’t mean you can’t observe how humans behave when using different modes – presumably he’s seen some numbers? (I believe it’s been done for drivers / cyclists, hadn’t heard about pedestrians before)
Depends – there’s a reason that some driving instructors may discourage “on you go mate” signalling, and the Highway Code reminds people to “watch out for signals given by other road users and proceed only when you are satisfied that it is safe“
I observe that e.g. when stopping to let pedestrians cross a road I’m turning into quite a lot of people are still reluctant to proceed. TBF when on a bike I’m still wary of drivers apparently stopping to let me go – even when they’re apparently looking at me…
What is the legislation
What is the legislation regarding bike shaped red lights? I had a quick search and found this https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2002/3113/images/uksi_20023113_en_247 where the top light is a solid red. I’ve also found that it says that the red of a toucan crossing isn’t compulsory for cyclists. I’m guessing that there is one that covers bike shaped red lights or they wouldn’t be used so much
Dunno about the legislation
Dunno about the legislation but I quite like this bike shaped red light. Or is it amber?
You are looking at the older
You are looking at the older 2002 version of the TSRGD. The latest version 2016 has this diagram:
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2016/362/schedule/14/made
HoarseMann wrote:
Thank you HoarseMann and IanGlasgow for finding them. It’s something that I’d pondered before when often stuck at one where the sensor has been set incorrectly
I asked this qiestion on
I asked this qiestion on Twiiter a few months back because I had doubts.
Turns out they have the same legal status as any other traffic light, with the exception of Toucan crossings.
The Traffic Signs Regulations and General Directions 2016, Schedule 14, Part 2 (link below). The actual legislation is covered in Part 1 of the same Schedule.
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2016/362/schedule/14/part/2/made?view=plain
Motorists are very quick to
Motorists are very quick to shout about Cyclists jumping red lights on every cycling related post or report. Personally I think its just victim blaming and trying to divert attention from the general low standard of driving in the UK. I would like to know that in the same period the reporter observed the 200 cyclists jumping the red light in question how many motorists also jumped red? I suspect it was a fair few. It doesn’t make the cyclists right but it would illustrate that its a universal issue not just cyclists.
It’s the Trump MO in everyday
It’s the Trump MO in everyday action.
“Could you maybe stop speeding / using your phone at the wheel / killing other road users”?
“Look over there! – a scapegoat for a post truth problem”
“Let me ask you something –
“Let me ask you something – how many cyclists have blazed through a red light while rifling along the busy pavements and run over wheelywheelygood’s wheelchair every day? Hundreds? Thousands? I don’t know, you don’t know – in fact, nobody has any idea. You’re telling me that’s not a problem? And hard-working people want to know if any were among the many, many illegal foreign paedophiles who could be living here on benefits making a fortune? I’m just asking questions”.
And they get given free bikes
And they get given free bikes. That you pay for
Isn’t that true of motorists?
Isn’t that true of motorists? At least half of them get free motorbility cars.
Ok, I’ll not mention the tax breaks that a lot of us actually get, before someone rises to the occassion.
I’ve just come back from
I’ve just come back from Paris, and over there, cyclists, e scooters etc are allowed to go through red lights, it works perfectly. That is, unless you’re a little baby driving a vehicle, then, of course, the toys start coming out of the pram .
As a pedestrian I have been
As a pedestrian I have been hit twice by cyclists jumping the red light when I’m crossing a pelican crossing on green ( both times in London). Only near misses in Edinburgh. Excellent cyclists in Oxford – they respect everyone in my experience.
Sensible cyclist wrote:
Everyone’s experience is different of course; last time I was in Oxford a couple of months back cyclist behaviour was atrocious, red lights apparently non-existent, one-way streets ignored, plenty of riding through malls and on pavements at silly speeds and the piece de resistance of a very hoity student verbally abusing my octogenarian father for not leaping out of her way on the path by Christ Church Meadow quickly enough (he wasn’t obliged to anyway, she had plenty of room to go round and being partially deaf he hadn’t heard her bell). Never been hit or even had many near misses in London, where I live, although I admit that may be because I’m habituated now to checking carefully even when I have a green man and stopped cars.
My ‘favourite’ Oxford cyclist
My ‘favourite’ Oxford cyclist experience was the person riding in front of me along the Cowley Road who decided to stop abruptly to pick up 20p that they’d spotted lying in the gutter.
Did you need it for the
Did you need it for the toilet?
I regularly walk any stretch
I regularly walk a stretch of pavement during rush hour. It’s so easy to see all the drivers on their mobile phones. They’d all say it’s academic, they’re barely moving (not that they drop their phones when the traffic begins to move…). So I ask myself, will they do a follow up survey on phone-drivers, and analyse the “but it’s academic, there’s no risk” arguments?