Driver fined £400 after almost crashing into group of cyclists

I read a few of those - very drepressing.

The bloke who claimed to be a driving instructor was the worst. 

Cyclists can only use 30 mph roads - at this point, I decided he could not be an instuctor with that level of ignorance of how roads around the whole of the country are classified. Perhaps he never gets out of the big city.

Another one-poster. Ignore!

A poster who doesn't know the difference between there and their and who came up with this bit of word salad: They were not happy started to shout abuse until I got out and they cycled away in the direction they have biked

Trolls often have dodgy grammar and can't spell I've noticed.

So let me confirm what you were trying to put across random-number username person (or 30yo who should know better). 

You were driving up a single track lane for 10 minutes behind two cyclists. So in the 10 minutes you were driving it was too dangerous to overtake. So what is the stupid tactics as you added your tale as an example of those but it doesn't sound dangerous to the cyclists so who was it dangerous to? You?
(Btw, were you on driver time where what you feel is "nearly" 10 minutes was actually 1 or 2 at max but because you were finally forced into a safe speed for once, you feel it was eternity?)

You then sounded your horn once to make them aware you were "there". This caused you to receive abuse. However when you "got out", they cycled away. This is confusing though. There are only two positions you could have been in then. Behind them in which case they could only cycle forward otherwise they would have had to go past someone who is road raging and that doesn't sound safe for them with you still behind. Or you were ahead of them so would have overtaken? Is that when you sounded the horn? Forcing the overtake on dangerous single track road that meant you couldn't safely pass for "nearly 10 minutes". Maybe the abuse came not just for the aggressive beeping as you went passed but the manner you might have done it in. 

So any update on the details here? Did you actually "force" your way past dangerously to them, beeping in a "that'll teach you" manner, then didn't like someone calling you "female genitalia", then road raged? 

Ignore them, they are just another keyboard wrrier who hates cyclists.

"Pudenda" is usually as good word a word as any to shout out in exclamation. I'm far too polite to mention on line what it means (I knew a couple who gave their boat that as a name) and when the target of your remark asks what it means you can gleefully tell them that they're a "c#$t".

10 minutes? That's nothing, I spent nearly 3 hours stuck on the M25 a few weeks ago because 2 muppets in cars couldn't keep their cars right way up.

Mungecrundle wrote:

10 minutes? That's nothing, I spent nearly 3 hours stuck on the M25 a few weeks ago because 2 muppets in cars couldn't keep their cars right way up.

I trust every motorist gave them loads of abuse when they finally got past?

No? just cyclists then, not horses, learners, tractors, herses, lorries blocking the road to do deliveries, bin men etc etc. Just when they get held up by cyclists they lose their little minds.

Last time there was someone stuck behind me on a single track lane, I looked to pull in to the first decent passing place I saw, but they were no longer behind me due to losing time passing a car coming in the other direction. So the OP view is (apparently) cyclists should stop and stand in the verge so he can pass them on a single track road, despite the fact they will then be stuck behind HIM when (not surprisingly) a car comes the other way.

How long is this single track road he lives on to be stuck behind some for ten minutes? And do these 'tactics' he refer to include two cyclists taking up almost as much space as he does on his own in a car?

A 12 mph that's 2 miles of waiting and 3 miles at 18 mph.

Assuming 10 minutes is anywhere near correct.

talby2491 wrote:

I'm a driver and cyclist. I believe cyclists should also be aware that we do not own the road either. And stupid tactics when riding are dangerous.

How is it dangerous to ride side by side? I can honestly say that I've never fallen off or run anyone over when riding side by side. Not even a wobble. Please can you explain how it is dangerous?

As a driver, I've seen loads of people riding side by side too, and I've never seen them fall off or run anyone over, and I've never come close to running them over either - how could I? I can see them, they're relatively slow-moving and predictable.

Could it be that you mean that danger comes from crap behaviour from drivers? Cos that's the only situation I can imagine where the above is dangerous. When a driver who is incompetent and/or aggressive behaves in a dangerous manner around others - and let's be clear, it isn't just people on bikes incompetent drivers endanger, they endanger everyone.

The risk always comes from the driver and is always utterly optional on the driver's part. Any driver who exposes 2 riders to risk will inevitably also expose one rider to risk.

As a cyclist, of course, you already know this......

talby2491 wrote:

...... One example. I live on a quiet back road and was following 2 cyclists for nearly 10 minutes

Now you're just making shit up. 

talby2491 wrote:

I'm a driver and cyclist. I believe cyclists should also be aware that we do not own the road either. And stupid tactics when riding are dangerous. One example. I live on a quiet back road and was following 2 cyclists for nearly 10 minutes all because of there arrogance. I did use the horn in the end to make them aware I was there. They were not happy started to shout abuse until I got out and they cycled away in the direction they have biked

I shall not take the bait. I shall not take the bait. I shall not take the bait...

Go on. Take the bait. Make a reasoned case. You know - like grown ups do when discussing issues.

A reasoned case might analyse each part of the story with a view to understanding the author's intention or the meaning behind some of the nonsensical sentences. I will have a go:

I'm a driver and cyclist. 

I’m a driver who hates cyclists, although I have been on a bike. I add that ‘I’m a cyclist’ because it I think it means that I cannot possibly be prejudiced. Just like when people precede racist comments with ‘I’m not racist but…’

I believe cyclists should also be aware that we do not own the road either. 

I believe that cars own the road. I will pointless add ‘either’ as a negative adverb to link to a previous comment, although in this case the previous sentence didn’t mention anything about ownership of the roads, so it won’t quite make sense.

And stupid tactics when riding are dangerous.

And although stupid tactics in all modes of transport are dangerous and far, far more dangerous in motor vehicles, it’s the cyclists that I like to rant about.  The following story will not even contain any mention of stupid tactics. I meant to think of some but forgot.

One example. 

One example that portrays me in a terrible light even though I’ve distorted it to make me look better.

I live on a quiet back road and was following 2 cyclists for nearly 10 minutes…

I live on a quiet back road and was following two cyclists for a period of more than 10 seconds… 

…all because of there arrogance. 

…all because they had the arrogance not to dive into a ditch as soon as I arrived, resplendent in my two tonnes of steel. Someone will probably pick me up on my incorrect use of ‘there’ but grammar nazis are the real nazis, right?

I did use the horn in the end to make them aware I was there. 

I tried to intimidate them repeatedly with aggressive and unnecessary use of the horn, while driving dangerously close behind them.

They were not happy started to shout abuse…

They were not happy that I was threatening them. But everyone knows that once they swear out of fear, or through the adrenaline at their life being threatened, they have lost the high moral ground and therefore are fair game.

until I got out…

They swore. I had every right to assault them. Police don't even prosecute for incidents on the road when cyclists swear.

…and they cycled away… 

… and they sensibly avoided a violent altercation.  I can tell everyone how hard I am and how they bricked it.

…in the direction they have biked

… in the direction that makes no sense in my garbled account of how I threatened more vulnerable road users but I had to skip a few details because I don’t want to look like a sociopath. I'm pretty sure I've managed that.

Grown ups also recognise where no meaningful discussion is possible.

hirsute wrote:

Grown ups also recognise where no meaningful discussion is possible.

There's got to be some pertinent comment about nominative determinism to add there...

Flintshire Boy wrote:

Go on. Take the bait. Make a reasoned case. You know - like grown ups do when discussing issues.

That person is not "discussing issues", s/he's trolling this site with illiterate colour-by-numbers anti-cyclist cliches. Do you honestly believe s/he's posting in order to have a reasoned adult discussion?

Going by talby's post/rant I'm not sure that they will want to enter into a reasoned discourse. 

eburtthebike wrote:

ADMIN, yet again, when are the bloody intrusive ads over the comments going to disappear?

Indeed clicked on the cross to close the ad, google asked "why this ad" selected "covered content" then the "we won't show this ad again box covered the content, then it was replaced with another ad covering the content.

When the site becomes unusable due to ads, people we stop using it, then there will be no ad revenue.

Probably some twatter algorithm.

Although, depending on context, a number plate can be personal data and hence protected.

Interesting, would the driver have been justified in masking the plate in anticipation of performing the manoeuvre, in order to protect their identity? (I see plenty of obscured number plates, generally on performance cars, obviously untroubled by the rozzers)

No because that would be illegal.

The data protection thing came up in the 'cars crash into buildings' thread.

Not convinced by the registrar's claim.

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