A video of what a cyclist described as a “bizarre sequence events” including a driver calling 999 to complain that he hadn’t pulled over to let her past on a narrow rural road has gone viral on YouTube, racking up nearly 50,000 views on the video-sharing site.
The incident happened last month in northwest Kent. Stuart, who filmed the footage, told us: “I was cycling along Rye Lane between Otford and Dunton Green near Sevenoaks; it’s a very narrow winding road.
“I was aware of a car behind me for a couple of minutes, but there was nowhere to move over without stopping altogether, and a car can’t go much faster than a bike there anyway.
“Also, if I’d let it pass and another car had come the other way, they’d both have had to stop, and so would I. I knew the road was widening out shortly so I kept going.
“When the road widened the driver pulled alongside me and accused me of ‘ignorance’, apparently for not jumping into a hedge to let her pass immediately.”
It seemed to Stuart that the exchange had ended, with the motorist heading off up the road, but he said that “as I came round the next bend she had stopped her car (in the road, impeding traffic, ironically) and was filming me.
“An increasingly bizarre sequence of events included her calling 999 to complain that she thought I’d been a bit rude, and flagging down another driver to have a mutual rant about uppity cyclists, all while ignoring the distressed cries of her children.
“Eventually, when it became clear that the police didn’t fancy coming out to intervene on matters of courtesy, she went on her way.”
“This is all quite funny, but cyclists shouldn’t have to endure this sort of thing, and she also made some nasty insinuations about my having scared her children, or that the situation was that a man was threatening a woman (this the week after Sarah Everard’s tragic death),” he added.
“In fact she’d started all this, and I’d deliberately restrained my language and kept my distance to avoid distressing the kids. It’s all the more galling because there’s a main road going exactly the same way, which I avoid because of speeding drivers; now I’m being hassled on the alternative route too.”
One commenter to the YouTube video said, “The very worst part of all of this is that she will not ever realise she was wrong, and will rant to her friends about this ‘idiot rude cyclist’ who so upset her children with their actions – thereby entrenching more negative views of cyclists in general. Over something that was entirely her fault.”
Others suggested she should be reported for using her mobile phone while driving, while another said, “I pity her kids.”
94 thoughts on “Video: Driver calls 999 to report cyclist for not getting out of her way”
I presume the rider held back
I presume the rider held back as they didn’t want to get in front of her again?
I think I might have got bored and left her to it….
I’m so glad he didn’t.
I’m so glad he didn’t. Brilliant job!
visionset wrote:
There is that of course?
Another case of big car and
Another case of big car and little brain.
At least it wasn’t a SUV in this instance.
It was an SUV, it was a Volvo
It was an SUV, it was a Volvo XC90
Jeez we are already inured to
Jeez we are already inured to their size
That was hilarious.
That was hilarious.
Waste of police time and resources.
hirsute wrote:
But you can bet the call-handler put the call on loudspeaker. You can guess their “WTF? What do I do? Help, folks, I’ve got a loony” hand signals. And you can guess that his/her colleagues were p!$$ing themselves laughing.
Stuart, what an incredibly
Stuart, what an incredibly patient man.
Absolutely insane. What did
Absolutely insane. What did she think the outcome would be? Full riot team to give the guy a kicking?
Surely we need some sort of
Surely we need some sort of award for the most hilarious, bizarre vid of a driver? The one of the gammon chasing the cyclist on foot and falling over was pretty good, but not nearly as strange as this one. Do we call them Karen in this country?
Congrats to Stuart for remaining calm and not ROFLing.
Is it now a crime to use a phone to take a pic while driving? It used to be that it was only a crime if you talked on it.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ufYg5H6zsMg
Utterly bonkers. Stuart is a far more patient man than I but no amount of calm reason is going to resolve her issues.
What an absolute twunt she is
What an absolute twunt she is. Couldn’t give a shit about her kids. Feels the world owes her a favour.
Fuck off home Karen.
are we just ignoring the
are we just ignoring the white van(s) in this then ?
White vans?
White vans?
I saw the gorilla though.
WIth an idiot like that on
WIth an idiot like that on the road I would rather have them in front of me than go past and potentially have them come up behind me.
If they are in front I can control the situation to some extent – at the least I can see what they are doing and make a decision about how to react.
You would have jumped in the
You would have jumped in the hedge then ?
hirsute wrote:
Although in my area I have never been along that road, but there must be places to pass . What would happen when two vehicles meet each other? I cant see them reversing round winding bends
In October in Norfolk, I had
In October in Norfolk, I had to reverse someway to get to a wide enough point.
When I continued I was furious to find the other driver could have reversed 10 m round the bend. My ire was also raised because I had approached the bend cautiously unlike the other driver.
hirsute wrote:
Me too, Forest of Dean, three days ago.
I’ve cycled in north west for
I’ve cycled in north west kent for decades and used to work in sevenoaks pre lockdown and dont think I’ve come across a lane without passing points at least every 400 yards or so. Even a quick Google streetview shows several drive ways that would allow safe passing , so to say they would have to jump into a hedge is a bit much.
Having said that, the driver clearly has screw loose . As a parent of 2 young children I wouldn’t leave them crying in a car whilst I try and prove point no matter how ridiculous it is.
Me too , in cornwall se real
Me too , in cornwall several years back going down a steep hill to the seal sanctuary. I had to reverse back up the steep hill for a couple of cars only to have to do it again for another driver because they were too scared to reverse themselves. However this lane does have several points cars can pass but it would require cooperation from both .I agree the cyclist has every right to continue his journey without having pull over and that’s their choice.
Personally I wouldn’t have stopped when she confronted him in the road. If she wanted to physically stop me then so be it, but then I would be the one calling 999
In the youtube comments he
In the youtube comments he says he felt he had to hang around when she started filming him otherwise he felt he looked guilty. I think it diffused it a bit as he was calm and stood some distance away and said he’d wait for the police !
Lying to the police is worrying as why would any bloke now get involved in anything if people are going to make stuff up in order to wriggle out of a situation they created.
They can slow to below
They can slow to below walking pace, and pass each other safely at well under a meter distance. I’ve driven on lanes like that, and yes sometimes you meet another car coming the other way, and there are stone walls on both sides, and one of you has to reverse to where the road widens a bit.
I’m another like this – I’ve
I’m another like this – I’ve seen too much poor driving, that I’d rather they were in front of me, than behind, not knowing what they’re trying to do. In fact, I no longer filter at traffic lights….
I know I have as much right to be on the road as them, but I would quite like to get home after a ride – and anything that may antagonise them is to be avoided. It’s an often used term, but it’s no good being in the right, if you end up in the undertakers…..
“anything that may antagonise
“anything that may antagonise them is to be avoided” but that is just giving into bullies though and allows them to repeat the behaviour as the norm.
However, always have an escape route for whatever situation you are in.
I wonder whether, if say a
I wonder whether, if say a motorbike had caught her up on the single-lane stretch and was waiting for a safe place to pass, she would have pulled over and stopped in a field gateway to allow the biker to pass. I suspect not!
As a motorcyclist I can
As a motorcyclist I can anwser this – but you already know the answer.
Her unshakeable assumption is
Her unshakeable assumption is that it is “her” way, therefore it is for you to get out of it.
To be fair, that is the assumption of most drivers, and as cyclists we are made to feel that we borrow the road at their sufferance only. I’d say about 10-20 seconds in “their” way is the limit for most drivers before they feel an offence is being committed.
Even so, most don’t actually call the police. However, around Sevenoaks I suspect there is a special level of entitlement!
…and the decides to stop on
…and the decides to stop on a bend, on a narrow lane when there was a large area 5m back that she could have safely pulled over to make a complete ar$e of herself
“I was aware of a car behind
“I was aware of a car behind me for a couple of minutes, but there was nowhere to move over without stopping altogether, and a car can’t go much faster than a bike there anyway.
“Also, if I’d let it pass and another car had come the other way, they’d both have had to stop, and so would I. I knew the road was widening out shortly so I kept going.
Why would you think that you had to pull over for her? You have as much right to be on the road.
This is not about the right
This is not about the right to use the road; vehicles travelling much slower than the speed limit on roads that don’t allow easy overtaking for a long time (which doesn’t apply with this video), should pull over occasionally if safe to do so, to allow traffic build-up to safely pass; just common sense and decency really.
grOg wrote:
Indeed they should; but only where it is safe to do so; as the cyclist has said, there wasn’t such a place.
eburtthebike wrote:
There are such points but I quote “there was nowhere to move over [b] without stopping altogether [/b]”. I get this from time to time and my decision is usually to pull over . Sometimes you then get have to wait further along the road when another vehicle passes in the other direction but unless I’m trying for a strava time (no chance) it’s just less agro to let them pass. Maybe I’m just too much of an easy touch.
Hmm so she thinks the cyclist
Hmm so she thinks the cyclist is doing something illegal for blocking her from driving quickly…
Therefore presumably she agrees her driving was illegal for blocking the van that went past at 1:19 (who I suspect had to wait for her to finish arguing with the cyclist despite that being a section that is wide enough to overtake safely)….
qwerty360 wrote:
Not illegal, but it is against the Highway Code. You should let someone who wants to pass, pass, and you should pull over if you’re holding up a queue (no definition of what a queue is, but there were two vehicles behind him). Edit, yes I know there’s a “when safe to do so” clause, but there aren’t many roads where there’s no safe passing point for two minutes (even if you have to stop).
Except that in the video, and
Except that in the video, and the write up above, the rider points out that there is nowhere wide enough on that particular stretch for him to safely pull over, no laybys or passing places, so he maintained progress until the road widened to a place where she could pass… So your safe to do so edit seems to apply in this case if we take that at face value.
I guess the logical extension to the “let people pass” argument also applies to other vehicles, which is excellent news. From this point on, everytime I get stuck in my car behind a driver not progressing at a speed which meets my approval I will flash and gesticulate wildly, generally get all Mad Max on them, and then explain this guidance to them and point out why they were in the wrong.
Having looked up the road on
Having looked up the road on google maps, the journey planner thinks it is as quick to cycle from the end to beyond where she initially passed (easy to figure out given the motorway underpass) as drive, which will be based on mobile phone tracking for driving and a slow fixed pace for cycling… Something to do with being singletrack with lots of blind bends where one should be using the horn and going at walking pace to avoid head ons…
The van passes on the second interaction between the woman and rider after she has blocked it for a prolonged period. (Van at 1:19, start of interactions at 18 seconds, so reasonable to assume it caught up while she was blocking rather than following given levels of traffic.
Also the oncoming car that stopped at the underpass, presumably not wanting to be driven into by a driver too busy ranting at a cyclist for existing.
How does that work when I am
How does that work when I am doing 31 in a 30?
Do I have to pull over to let speeding drivers pass?
Does it make a difference if I am going to work ?
It only applies to vehicles
It only applies to vehicles going much slower than the speed limit, with roads that don’t allow easy overtaking, thus causing a traffic build-up behind the slow vehicle; eg, a slow vehicle should pull over every few miles if such build up occurs.
What amuses me, is that these drivers that complain of being held up for a minute or so before being able to overtake, seem to have the time to stop for several minutes in order to confront the cyclist.
Sorry didn’t realise we are
Sorry didn’t realise we are playing non sequiter.
Smiffi wrote:
Rule 169 is what you’re after: “Do not hold up a long queue of traffic, especially if you are driving a large or slow-moving vehicle.”
Even two vehicles cannot be counted as a “long queue”.
Plus the key word here is
Plus the key word here is ‘driving’ so the clause does not fully apply, legally you have no duty to pull aside and let motor vehicles pass. Morally should a queue have built up when safe and proper it is better to do let that traffic pass.
It’s kind of a moot point as
It’s kind of a moot point as it’s not fun cycling with a queue (well more than two, I’d say) of vehicles behind you, so most people would let them overtake at a safe point.
its no fun even with a single
its no fun even with a single vehicle if they are doing that thing where they drive virtually on your back wheel, because you know if you slip/make a mistake they wont react in enough time.
the worse ones are the ones who just squeeze past you regardless
Awavey wrote:
I do find it fun trying to explain to a driver that to pull over I have to slow down, which I am not going to do if they are 6″ off my rear wheel, therefore tailgating guarantees I won’t pull over…
its the kind of thing I
its the kind of thing I normally think about 10mins later after theyve barged me out of their way would have been a great thing to do instead, but the way the roads have felt the last few weeks, I actually think if I tried that theyd just drive over me to get where they want to be, the urge for them to pass you is that great it seems at the moment that some of them do seem to be willing to cause injury to you, which is scary.
twice within the last month now Ive had vehicles overtake me on those kinds of roads, by driving onto the verge/bank beside me just to get by a few seconds quicker, or Ive met them coming the other way and they dont slow down or deviate their line, and all you can do is try to stop in time and lean into a hedge to avoid being hit.
Ive met them coming the
Ive met them coming the other way and they dont slow down or deviate
That’s it! They lean back and make that conscious pose with both arms out straight, but slow down? Never! B******s!
This is magic, and to be
This is magic, and to be ranked alongside Cycling Mikey! Stuart was entirely right, although rather over-tolerant of this obvious nutter representative of the two Short Planks team. I would have stopped at ‘Thank you moron. Cheerio’ when she pulled up alongside, and just gone ahead when she stopped later, but that would have deprived many of this excellent entertainment. Surely she must, even if she doesn’t have it now, at some stage have driven around with a dead giveaway sign of a thickhead: a ‘baby/ child on board’ sticker. People like this use their children as a weapon to intimidate the gullible (which Stuart clearly isn’t).
This can’t be compared to
This can’t be compared to monkey Mikey.. this encounter was entirely the making off that profoundly silly woman, whereas ‘Mikey’ goes looking for trouble and views, to the point of hanging out at places as a pedestrian, not a cyclist, just so he can confront drivers committing minor infractions, as if he is in law enforcement.
https://www.vice.com/en/article/avyv84/go-pro-cyclists-need-to-calm-down-a-bit-imho-509
Driving on the wrong side of
Driving on the wrong side of the road at a junction where there have been numerous accidents is not minor.
Another of your fire and forget posts.
grOg wrote:
Disagree. Mikey is always totally clear that he is not law enforcement, but simply a witness. The authorities that use his evidence clearly don’t see these infractions as minor – in fact from what I have seen individual officers are on good terms with him
As for looking for trouble, anyone with a bike and a camera can be, and frequently is, accused of that
‘Mikey’ goes looking for
‘Mikey’ goes looking for trouble
I must ride to defend Mikey! He goes out of his way not to be bullied by drivers- most cyclists wouldn’t bother. It’s rather embarrassing that we have to recruit a South African to do this for us- I have just re-watched one of his stand-offs with a driver crossing to the wrong side of a Keep Left sign, and he forced the b****r back. At least he won a joke driving course for the offender, as long as the police weren’t lying about that as the now dismissed traffic PC in Gloucestershire did (it was only ‘words of advice’, which means agreeing with the offender that he will do for the cyclist properly next time).
wtjs wrote:
Da da dada-derrr derr, Da da dada-derrrr……
Da da dada-derrr derr, Da da
Da da dada-derrr derr, Da da dada-derrrr……
Pretty good written representation of the music, but I wear lycra shorts and my chest isn’t as impressive. Chafing must be terrible, if the horses aren’t full-sus
Captain Badger wrote:
Is that one of the definitely not sexist at all works by the Meister Boris Vallejo? His income must have tailed off after Athena went bust…
brooksby wrote:
Pass, just a Google image search, althoughi must confess you sound very knowledgeable!??
Geez,Athena! I remember that, there was a branch in The Elmsleigh centre in Staines opposite M&S. that’s a blast from the past..
Captain Badger wrote:
Is that one of the definitely not sexist at all works by the Meister Boris Vallejo? His income must have tailed off after Athena went bust…
— Captain Badger Pass, just a Google image search, althoughi must confess you sound very knowledgeable!?? Geez,Athena! I remember that, there was a branch in The Elmsleigh centre in Staines opposite M&S. that’s a blast from the past..— brooksby
Misspent youth in the 1980s, I’m afraid…
brooksby wrote:
Could be, though Julie Bell has a very similar style.
He is Dutch.
He is Dutch.
He is Dutch
He is Dutch
Are you sure? I’ve just watched https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ObxjKC3tJeM again and he sounds SA to me.
wtjs wrote:
There was one of his videos in which he receives abuse on his accent, and the police offered to press charges which he declined.
https://www.youtube.com/watch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjUBx3aL6v4&t=13s
Well, that seems definitive. He should know if he’s SA or not! You listen and learn.
Nope, pretty sure he is dutch
Nope, pretty sure he is dutch but then as it was White Dutch and Belgium who “liberated” most of South Africa it is no surprise that it can sound similar.
Literally astonished! I didn
Literally astonished! I didn’t realise this level of stupidity actually existed.
sensei wrote:
And has a licence to drive a killing machine!
[/quote]And has a licence to
Scary, let me add…”whilst being entrusted with the lives of small children”!
That she tried to convince
That she tried to convince the 999 rspondent and others that he was threatening her is concerning. What if she has done this before or does it again, and some poor bloke is thrown to the floor by police and arrested simply because she said he threatened her and her kids? I would hope the police do get involved now, as I would be surprised if her actions on this video haven’t committed at least one punishable offence. Kudos to the rider for staying calm.
We saw her taking a photo
We saw her taking a photo with her phone while driving – that’s against the law, no question about it.
sheridan wrote:
Not according to Ramsey Barreto.
It’s a complete disgrace that
It’s a complete disgrace that 18 month safter announcing that he would close this loophole “urgently”, Grant Shapps has still done the sum total of bugger and all to actually do so, other than to launch a consutation.
The lawyers found a lophole in a poorly drafted piece of legislation that any halfway competant draftsman could close with an afternoon’s worth of work.
WTF was there to consult about? It clearly offers no benefit to road safety, and an awful lot of impediments to it, to allow drivers any excuse to use a mobile/handheld device while operating what is probably the most dangerous machinery that 99.9% of them will ever get close to using. Try to operate a circular saw at work while using a mobile phone in any way, shape or form, and you can almost certainly kiss goodbye to your job. Yet thois Government seems to think that it’s perfectly fine to leave it a couple of years before doing something about this menace.
But then, in so many other ways they are in the pockets of interests like the mobile phone operators, so perhaps I should not be surprised.
thats not the case, the
thats not the case, the consultation has been held, closed in January,the results of which should be published imminently, and the new law was due to be drafted and placed before parliament in this session.
the reason it takes time is because what they had was a perfectly reasonable piece of legislation there before, but that couldnt predict how the future of mobile phone tech was going to advance,and thats how we ended up with this loophole, and the consultation is needed so that they try and create something thats fit for purpose and doesnt get undermined by some future loophole or tech advance that makes the set of words they use immediately redundant.
however as I repeatedly highlight when this topic comes up,whilst it might not qualify under the mobile phone use part of that law s.41D(b) Road Traffic Act 1988., it certainly qualifies against the not being in proper control of a vehicle and aware of traffic ahead part, s.41D(a) Road Traffic Act 1988.
Wave goodbye to some of your
Wave goodbye to some of your fingers too…
the driver was actually not
the driver was actually not completely wrong ( in her assertion) at the start. It is generally considered common courtesy, that slow moving vehicles ( caravans / tractors / horses etc.) should pull out of the way to allow any built up traffic to pass, when / where practical, if there is a build up of traffic on a narrow lane, caused by a slower moving object. However, she’s mis applied it there. It’s really only for situations where there’s no prospect of the road widening out sufficiently, and where there are suitable places for the ‘holder upper’ to move in to. It certainly used to be the case, on small rural roads, during ‘busy’ months, in places like Devon and Cornwall. However, the rest of what she did, was just funny / laughable, and pulling alongside to have a go / take photos was wrong / illegal.
Had a day trip to N Norfolk
Had a day trip to N Norfolk last Wednesday and probably spent more time in a single afternoon stuck in queues of traffic following telehandlers and tractors dragging large pieces of farming equipment than I have spent waiting to pass cyclists in my entire lifetime.
It wasn’t that the agricultural drivers didn’t pull over, it was the lack of spaces to do so and the number of slow moving combos on the road. Eventually you just have to accept it as normal traffic for the area and remember to bring the motorcycle next time.
As far as this video is concerned, from the point where it starts (and maybe the car had been following for some time and the cyclist could have had multiple opportuinities to wave her past), but what we see is a section of road where there is no prospect of a safe overtake, nowhere to pull to one side, a cyclist moving at a reasonable speed and probably about as fast as it would be safe to drive, and the queue of traffic behind consists of a single (oversized) vehicle. Furthermore the cyclist has local knowledge and knows that the road will soon widen at which point he makes no move to block the overtake opportunity.
The driver is completely wrong in her assertion, hysterical in her reaction (There, I said it “hysterical woman”) and her action of calling the Police and making a claim of threatening behaviour by a man is so far out of order given current sensitivities on the subject. Just imagine that a local squad car happened to be in the area and responded? It is easy to see how the cyclist’s details would be taken, possibly followed up with a formal interview with the consequent stress and possibility of such a record seriously affecting Stuart’s future employment opportunities. Without the camera he might have found himself on the wrong end of a justice system eager to demonstrate it’s credentials as a protector of women against aggressive males.
I really hope that this video makes its way back to her somehow and to everyone she has no doubt told her story to about the arrogant cyclist who threatened her children in an unprovoked road rage incident and that she reflects on her behaviour that day.
Judge dreadful wrote:
Not least because the HC rule applies to a queue of traffic, not a single vehicle.
I am sure her life will have
I am sure her life will have been ruined by having to wait an extra few seconds.
Guaranteed, if it had been a horse she wouldn’t have complained.
What is it about the presence
What is it about the presence of the bicycle that can cause the perception of time to become so warped for some motorists?
As unlikely and random an edge case as this is, it’s another good reason to ride with a camera. I can imagine her story to the police being even more embellished if she didn’t have the nagging thought that it had all been recorded.
Funniest video of the year!
Funniest video of the year! Thank you!
I really can’t bear to watch.
I really can’t bear to watch. I remember reading an account on here from the rider of what sounds like this incident before the video came out.
I remember him saying his voice goes “posh” when stressed, and him hearing half the 999 call – the woman being asked by the call handler if she was endangered by him and she couldn’t say that she was.
She evidently tried very hard to get someone else to take her side. If you work in any sort of enforcement role, you’re very careful to avoid doing this.
I wonder what her life is like.
David9694 wrote:
— David9694Sad.
What we’re up against on the
What we’re up against on the road..its beyond acceptable!
I was in the area today so
I was in the area today so took a detour down this lane, albeit driving not cycling. What a nightmare it is. I had to reverse a short distance to let an elderly driver pass using one of the many drive ways along this stretch. There are multiple tight and blind bends , most of which require a driver to slow to crawl (1st gear) to negotiate safely. I have to agree with the cyclist that to stop and let a driver pass would be largely futile as they couldn’t go much faster anyway. I was actually behind a cyclist near the beginning but after having to stop and reverse to let the other driver pass, I ended up passing them in exactly the same spot as shown in the video.
If anyone is interested I have uploaded the video of my drive along Rye Lane .
https://youtu.be/MSy0adMTCxo
Thanks for that. Shows there
Thanks for that. Shows there was little point the cyclist stopping. I wonder what the lady would have done if she had met a pram coming the other way?
Went for a walk today and ended up on ‘blind lane’ which was like that. I thought if any drivers come this way, then they should have gone the longer way!
Just squeeze pass as close as
Just squeeze pass as close as possible. A woman actually scraped along my daughter’s pram when she was a few months old. I screamed. She stopped and accused me of hitting her precious car. Cars are so much more valuable than babies obviously!
If anyone is interested I
If anyone is interested I have uploaded the video of my drive along Rye Lane .
https://youtu.be/MSy0adMTCxo
Excellent! This demonstrates even more convincingly what a dreadful, selfish nut-job this woman is: channelling at the cyclist all her rage that there isn’t an RFID traffic light exclusively for her, causing her to have to wait for all those vehicles.
was forced onto grass by UPS
was forced onto grass by UPS driver and he told me I should move for him on a single track road
I was forced onto the grass
I was forced onto the grass by an Amazon Driver on single-lane road yesterday (coming opposite way, so not quite the same) – he, slowed right down, passed me carefully and thanked me genially.
Is that’s what is known as a
Is that what is known as a ‘Karen’?
If we were in America, then
If we were in America, then yes.
or Amy Cooper?
or Amy Cooper?
Her kids are probably distressed because she is behaving aggressively towards someone on a bike, shouting out of the car window and making threats.
If she was in such a frigging hurry, why pull over and get out of the car? The arrogance on display is quite something.
Ah yes – didn’t the
Ah yes – didn’t the delightful Amy call the NYPD because “a Black man was threatening her”.
Such “threats” taking the form of his politely asking her to put her dog on a lead in an area of Central Park where signs asked everyone to keep their dog on leads because of nesting birds…
(Lost her her job and her reputation, IIRC).
Simon E wrote:
Reminds me of an incident in London where a white van driver swore and drove at another cyclist in front of me, and then told him to pull over so he could beat him up, because “swerving in front of his van” (aka filtering in slow moving traffic) apparently posed a risk to his young daughter who was in the front seat. Leaving aside the distress her father’s behaviour likely caused, I wish I’d had the presence of mind at the time to point out that the illegal absence of any sort of child seat was likely to pose more of a risk to her safety.
But how many of these children will grow up just remembering that time a nasty cyclist made mummy upset?
quiff wrote:
I would imagine most – this is to be expected . Kids learn from their parents. Garbage in, garbage out