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road.cc Podcast episode 66 lead imageIs cycling ‘woke’? Cycling and culture wars discussed with a Conservative aide, plus Lucinda Brand and Eli Iserbyt on the future of cyclocross
The two subjects we're discussing on episode 66 of the road.cc Podcast are arguably chalk and cheese, but equally as interesting we hope you'll agree! In part 1, Jack and Ryan are joined by Jack Gebhard, an avid cyclist who happens to be Chief of Staff for the Conservative MP for Worcester, Robin Walker, about cycling's curious relationship with 'wokeness'.
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The characterisation of the 'woke cyclist' is something that appears to have crept into the discourse when discussions about cycling make it into the wider media - in fact, one Rotherham business owner even recently claimed that a roadworks project to improve cycling provision in the town was "one of those woke agenda schemes".
> ‘The War on the Motorist’ deconstructed — the truth behind the myths
A not-very-woke cyclist in the wild
With 'woke' having morphed from a term to describe those who are alert to racial prejudice and discrimination to a catch-all associated with a whole host of issues such as race, politics, gender and the climate – and often deployed in a negative way by those that use the word – where did the link between cyclists and woke come from, and is it even true in the slightest? We do our best to break it down...
In part 2, Ryan is speaking to Lidl Trek’s Lucinda Brand and cyclocross specialist Eli Iserbyt at the recent Cyclocross World Cup even in Dublin, before sitting down with Jamie to discuss how ‘cross fits in to the modern pro cyclist’s schedule.
After UCI president David Lappartient's recent comments suggested that riders would have to take part in cyclocross World Cup events if they want to race in the World Championships, does this mean we’re approaching the end of the multi-discipline era where the likes of Pidcock and Van Der Poel regularly appear at the biggest cyclocross races?
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I'm not known for my imagination. What are folk hoping to see? We have events, races, leagues, workouts, clubs, free rides, group rides, portals to...
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60mph on a pavement? I would love to see any cyclists doing 60mph EVER!!!!!
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No problem at all old chap, its successor the CAAD13 is available in mechanical 105 11sp guise (not too shabby a groupset IMO with Shimano trickle...
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Car crashing into Colchester Co-op sees two hospitalised https://www.gazette-news.co.uk/news/24719022.car-crashing-colchester-co-...
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Best to avoid driving on the A34 if at all possible, never mind cycling on it.
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And so who are you rooting for, may one ask? Reform?
To be honest I don't think anyone deserves my vote. They're all the same. Politics is broken, all politicians are in it for themselves, nobody else. All those who think Starmer will fix the mess that the Tories have made will be very disappointed.
The political system in the UK is broken. On that we can agree. None of the current parties really represents me & the local MP is a self serving slave to party politics, not a representative of actual constituents.
Unfortunately meaningful change seems a long way off because it would mean the current duopoly accepting that it would take a degree of self immolation to actually do the right thing.
Any vote at the moment seems it is for the least worse option, and not for what you think will do well by the country.
Yes, you're right. All politicians are in it for themselves and don't care about the people who vote them in. I don't know what the answer is, for sure Starmer is as bad as Sunak but in different ways. They all promise the earth but never deliver. We should be able to sack them all.
There are a few who seem to genuinely care about regular people but their party will make sure they never get to be leader or quickly depose them if they do.
Of course then you have to blame the membership who don't leave en masse to start a new party but just keep voting for the same party that just stabbed them in the back.
You'll go down well here Phil.This "place" is the home to a bunch of crying lefties . I do wonder if it is linked or populated by the denizens of STW as well as there is a similar lack of compassion and consideration there.
Severn Trent Water?
I'm pretty sure it's a Fortnite thing - Save The World
Ah thanks - makes more sense I suppose.
All mine was on Save The Whale...
That was my next guess. I'm off to listen to some Stevie Tay Waughn now.
It's the National Rail ticket station code for Strawberry Hill in Twickenham, although why our chum thinks denizens of that pleasant neighbourhood would be overrepresented on here I'm not sure.
Is that where the Crying Lefties are from? I heard they are getting back together.
Their debut "Socialists, Treehuggers and Wokerati" had me crying into my decaff soy chai latte.
Crying lefties. There's that famed morality and compassion from the non lefties at work again.
I love these parody accounts. 🤣🤣🤣
What's remarkable is the degree of agreement here. Everyone apparently views being tolerant - or at least not appearing intolerant - as desirable. Except to their opponents - but by our definitions of our own position they must be beyond reason!
Hence the tug of love over "woke".
Of course this ain't new - pretty much every label / buzzword is redefined by others or (if offensive) reclaimed by its target...
Why I like road.cc - came for the cycling, stayed for the snark / squirrels ... but just sometimes contrary thoughts (or overly loud cheering from the goodly) that trigger questions like "now *why* does that rile me?" Or "seems transparently wrong so how is it a trope?" Or "this is obviously important and salient (here) yet many people ignore it?"
Sometimes.
door mirrors
I've got handlebar mirrors but you've got me wondering what to call the ones on velomobiles. You'd be right if you had a Leitra of course...
Out of curiousty and checking, the word while in use for decades, predominantly in the US with regards African Americans and race issues entered the Oxford dictionary only in 2017.
No reasonable person would be "anti-woke" and against how it seems to have morphed, but before this it was surely just called empathy.
The idea of "woke" today surely seems to carry with it a lot of political baggage and is hijacked by extremes both on both sides of the politcal spectrum who lack nuance, and drown out the average reasonable personal who believes in things like equality, and doesn't shout about cancel culture etc. every time a disagreement arises.
Like other cultural artifacts then (bands, novels ...) - decade(s) of obscurity then everyone says they know it. Not infrequently the popular understanding has novel elements, if not completely altering the original!
Anyway this all seems to illustrate the stereotype of "cyclists" as a group with shared character - they all disagree with each other.
It was 'woke' to tell/inform people to drink water when on the tube in the summer.
I'm young enough to remember this was simply described as the 'nanny state'.
I disagree
Monty Python, innit?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=M5Flr-hQHcY
Can't go wrong with some Monty Python though
But I do disagree, sometimes we need people not to be tolerant, otherwise things get out of hand. You only need to look generally at people today, and it's so stupid that now I can self-identify as a pack of Weetabix and marry a milk bottle if I wanted.
If we were always tolerant, then nothing would ever get challenged, the world would be even darker and law and order wouldn't be a thing.
Therefore being "woke" or tolerant of others is fundamentally a flawed principle because it allows people to do what they want, without question.
If you have beliefs, or fundamental principles that you live by, then you are not woke - because you should stick by them. Which leads on to why woke is so vague - because it is impossible to have no morals, no principles, and no values (whether right or wrong) to live by.
Therefore, woke people are people without morals.
Again, that's not what "woke" means. Being "woke" is simply to be aware/concious of societal injustices. "Tolerance" is a separate thing entirely - and tolerance absolutely has its limits - certain things, such as discrimination, bigotry, etc. should not be tolerated.
That doesn't make sense... grammatically or logically. You cannot stick to your principles if you're woke? What? Why?! How does being aware of societal injustices preclude you from having any personal morals?
What the hell are you wittering on about?
He hasn't had his Weetabix today.
I was going to marry my cornflakes this morning but the dish had run away with the spoon. Anyway my wife wouldn't let me.
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