Winning or minging? A gallery of THAT EF Pro Cycling kit; Simmons ‘sorry’ for THAT tweet; Stationary objects attack Edinburgh cars; Brajkovic says racism was endemic at Bahrain-Merida in 2017 + more
SUMMARY
Who was in the wrong? The driver making an illegal left turn across a cycle lane without looking or the cyclist?
The South London Press has a question for you.
Watch the moment a cyclist narrowly avoids a collision with Range Rover in Tooting. Who do you think was in the wrong? #cycling #RoadSafety pic.twitter.com/tmCx36mz85
— South London Press (@SthLondonPress) September 30, 2020
The fact there is a ‘no left turn’ sign is surely pertinent.
If you’ve more vim, vigour and resilience than me, why not check out the replies to the tweet to get a feel for how people see these things.
Baroness Jones unimpressed with South London Press's "whose fault was it?" tweet
Rather stupid question by @SthLondonPress which panders to the aggressive and outdated anti-cycling lobby. https://t.co/YF9PntqkBf
— Jenny Jones (@GreenJennyJones) September 30, 2020
'Stupid' stationary objects attacking motor vehicles in Edinburgh
Those stupid and needless bollards on Comiston Rd just caused two accidents within 100 yards of each other. Wheels of two cars wrecked within two minutes. Good work, council. pic.twitter.com/6aj7hDJq09
— Adam Morris (@AdamMorrisEdin) September 30, 2020
Janez Brajkovic says racism was endemic at Bahrain-Merida in 2017
After Trek-Segafredo’s Quinn Simmons’ was stood down from racing yesterday, 2010 Criterium du Dauphine winner Janez Brajkovic has spoken out about the culture at Bahrain-Merida when he raced for them in 2017.
…”Are you a racist”
Yes, I can’t stand them, he replied. Everyone heard him, nobody did nothing….That’s what’s so sad and wrong with some people…And some nations more prone to racism than others.. They should not be in our sport, any sport. I felt so sorry for Tsgabu.— Janibrajkovic (@janibrajkovic) October 1, 2020
Journalist who inadvertently brought about Quinn Simons suspension 'feels horrible' about situation
“Racism is unacceptable. Period,” said Trek-Segafredo after its rider Quinn Simmons replied “Bye” with a waving brown hand emoji when a journalist asked supporters of Donald Trump to unfollow her on Twitter.
José Been says she feels ‘horrible’ about the situation.
I lay awake for 3,5 hours last night. I feel horrible about the situation and terrible for @QuinnSimmons9 to miss his beloved classics.
To suspend him would never be my choice.
To cancel @TrekBikes most certainly isn’t my choice. I just bought a new Domane myself on Monday.
— José Been (@TourDeJose) October 1, 2020
South London Press posts correction
The general theme of the replies: ‘The driver would still be in the wrong even without the ‘no left-turn’ sign.’
CORRECTION: Yesterday we posted this video to spark a conversation about cycle safety in South London. But we did not see the ‘no left turn’ sign before the change of camera angle which puts the driver completely in the wrong, for that we apologise. #cycling #RoadSafety https://t.co/nESxFpO1G6
— South London Press (@SthLondonPress) October 1, 2020
Chris Froome is a good bloke
@chrisfroome by any chance have you been down Col d’Ordino, descent to Ordino. Just wondering what the memorial to my son Richard James Taylor @t4ntrick85 looks like this year? Is it still there? Was going to add to it this year but.. He was descending happy as Larry 2 years ago.
— Jackie Taylor (@JackieTaylor32) September 29, 2020
— Chris Froome (@chrisfroome) September 30, 2020
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The coverage is good. Plenty of info on the rider and course in the sidebar.
Manchester to build 55 miles of protected “Beeways” plus pop-up routes and low traffic neighbourhoods
Greater Manchester is looking to build 55 miles of cycling and walking routes by next Christmas, plus around 25 miles of pop-up routes and two low-traffic neighbourhoods.
GM’s #cycling and #walking revolution is kick starting next year with 55 miles of routes and 140 crossings to be delivered enabling thousands more journeys on foot or by bike. 🚴
For more info 👉 https://t.co/MJOU9dMdrT#Bee Network pic.twitter.com/k9VbEY7ItE
— Transport for Greater Manchester 🚲🚶🏾♀️ (@OfficialTfGM) October 1, 2020
Funded by the Mayor’s Challenge Fund, there will be Bee Network schemes in all 10 of Greater Manchester’s districts.
The region’s Walking and Cycling Commissioner, Chris Boardman, said: “We started this mission nearly two years ago and I’m so pleased with the significant work GM’s local authorities have been doing behind the scenes to get this monumental mission underway.
“The Bee Network was a vision; now, having completed the planning, paperwork and many consultations, we are ready to start making it a reality. It will create better places to live and work, give those with a car the option to leave it at home and for those who don’t, it will provide them with a reliable, safe and pleasant network to walk or ride to shops, schools and workplaces. This is the beginning of Greater Manchester’s twenty first century transport revolution.”
Hectoring road sign news
Who produced this less-than-pithy beauty?
Road closure between Oxenhope and Hebden Bridge is driving motorists to despair https://t.co/OwtY1Qj0QD pic.twitter.com/1COSetCAfq
— Keighley News (@KeighleyNews) October 1, 2020
Boardman and Burnham rode in today
Two Hani x Pinarello F12’s to be auctioned for charity for World Bicycle Relief
Pinarello and New York architect Hani Rashid have developed a super limited collaboration based on Pinarello’s flagship road bike, the Dogma F12.
Two of these bikes are being auctioned off for World Bicycle Relief.
Full details at eBay.
Geraint Thomas feeling "ready" for the Giro as Ineos Grenadiers names team
Geraint Thomas, who is riding the Giro d’Italia for the first time since 2017, will be supported by Jonathan Castroviejo, Rohan Dennis, Filippo Ganna, Tao Geoghegan Hart, Jonathan Narvaez, Salvatore Puccio and Ben Swift.
Thomas said: “I’m excited to lead the Team again in Italy and I feel ready. It’s been a strange year for everyone but it’s great to have this big objective. The legs are feeling good – Tirreno went well and then the World Time Trial was a confidence booster for me. Now stage one is nearly here and I’m more motivated than ever.
“I’ve a long association with Italy – I’ve lived here, I’ve raced for an Italian team, and I had some rough luck the last time I came to the Giro. I’m determined to right that wrong this time around.
“We’re taking a great Team and I’ve got total faith in the guys around me. Racing a Grand Tour with Swifty again will be a pleasure – we’ve been good mates since I was 12 and he’ll be our guide on the road. Tao and I have raced really well together before, most notably when I won the Dauphine, and Filippo is obviously flying after the Worlds. Puccio has so much experience of the Giro, young Jonny Narvaez is going really well and obviously everybody knows what Castro and Rohan can do.
“The Team couldn’t have supported me any better in the lead up to this race and I know those seven guys will do the job and support me on the road. Now it’s time to fight for the maglia rosa.”
EF Pro Cycling's BIG surprise?
Did you sign Simmons? 🤪
— Johan W (@wennbergs0) October 1, 2020
Vulnerable man's bike snatched out of his hands in Swindon
A 43-year-old Swindon man who has mental health issues and autism had his bike taken out of his hands outside St Barnabas Parish Church in Gorse Hill.
3) Anger as vulnerable man’s £350 bike is snatched outside Gorse Hill churchhttps://t.co/eylqdzFH2S pic.twitter.com/wJzJgRpVbU
— Swindon Advertiser (@swindonadver) September 30, 2020
The Swindon Advertiser reports that the man has been staying at the SW Bed and Breakfast in Malvern Road.
Owner Sara Wheeler said: “I’ve cared for him over the last nine months and he’s become part of the family. We bought the bike in July and he loves it. On the day it was stolen he had a bad mental health episode and he took it with him to the church.
“As he was sat down a man went up to him and said ‘I’m taking that’ and walked off with it in broad daylight. He was so upset and so angry, it took him a while to save up for that bike and now it’s gone.”
She added: “I was mortified when I found out someone had taken advantage of someone who is vulnerable. He sees the bike like a child sees a teddy bear. It’s so important to him and I just hope we can get it back.
“I saw it a couple days later and saw this kid with it who was between 15 and 17-years-old. He was with an older gentleman. They were tethering it up to one of the rubbish bins just opposite the Beijing Chef (in Cricklade Road).
“I couldn’t dump my car anywhere and go look at it, I just couldn’t do anything about it.”
A spokesperson for Wiltshire Police said the incident occurred on Tuesday, September 15.
“It is reported that the man was sat on the wall of the church at approximately 2pm when it is alleged he was approached by another man who has taken the bike and left with it.
“The bike is a dark green Vengeance bike with a 32-inch frame and has bright green writing on the wheels. Anyone who may have seen the incident, or may have seen the bike since or on an online marketplace is asked to call 101 and quote crime reference number 54200094715.”
Giro d'Italia to get off to a fast start
Downhill TT. I feel like I’m about to find my real calling within cycling on Saturday.
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The Giro TT speed record is 58kph, my mildly ambitious modelling has us breaking that on Saturday. Then I put in Ganna numbers and I think he may crack a 3 figure avg speed in imperial units pic.twitter.com/FItPmYknZM— Alex Dowsett (@alexdowsett) October 1, 2020
Full gallery of THAT EF Pro Cycling kit that has Twitter divided
Well, now … that Rapha + Palace kit that EF Pro Cycling will be wearing at the Giro d’Italia over the next three weeks has certainly polarised opinion on cycling Twitter … just take a look at the replies to this tweet from team boss Jonathan Vaughters, then go through the gallery of pictures from the team presentation and let us know what YOU think. Winning or minging?
Welcome to the future bike nerds. #palace #quack #mightyducks #Rapha pic.twitter.com/Ruq56eDhIt
— Jonathan Vaughters (@Vaughters) October 1, 2020
Trek-Segafredo and Quinn Simmons issue joint statement after THAT tweet
Statement from Trek-Segafredo and Quinn Simmons. pic.twitter.com/WvtK9htYWN
— Trek-Segafredo (@TrekSegafredo) October 1, 2020
1 October 2020, 08:23
Halfords sells more bikes in the UK than any other retailer
Bike boom continues at Halfords as retailer raises profit forecast
Cycling sales were up 46 per cent in five weeks to 25 September
1 October 2020, 08:23
Giro d'Italia to get off to a garish start
EF Pro Cycling to ride special Rapha x Palace Skateboards kit and bikes at Giro d’Italia
The limited edition kit and bikes are certainly a fresh look
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I'll counter that by saying the Bryton 750se I have drives me nuts at times. Inconsistantly picks up on routes created on Komoot and the app re-syncs every few seconds when trying to set up the device and sends me back to the home screen. The most infuriating one is that I turned live track on. Once. It now won't turn off and repeatedly flags up the live track is starting, and then disconnecting every few seconds whilst riding. I haven't timed it but it wouldn't suprise me if 10-20% of the time the the screen is covered with an error message. That's been about 6 weeks now. Other than that it's great :/
RE: Police launch road safety operation... by clamping down on cyclists using footbridge Meanwhile in Glasgow, Police Scotland are riding their motorbikes over the pedestrian and cyclists only bridge. https://x.com/FietserGlasgow/status/2065106152917012523?s=20
@Paul J Van Schip certainly seems a bit of a dick, but he's a European and multiple World Champion on the track, pretty sure you don't get there without having some talent in your legs.
Poor Vincent cannot get over the simple fact that given the choice people prefer dedicated cycling spaces, rather than pretending to be cars like vehicular cyclists.
What is the point of the fancy air sensor if it can't account for changing weather conditions?? If all you care about is a delayed approximation of aerodynamic watts in steady conditions, you don't need any special sensors for that. Just your speed on a decently flat course is enough to approximate rolling resistance and drivetrain losses. And the rest must be aero. If you assume a less aero body position at the same watts, your speed will drop while rolling resistance also drops, which means approximated aero watts goes up. And that's enough to demonstrate what you've shown in your testing protocol ("I sat upright and the number went up a little while later").
Your correction is accurate - it's almost always been "the (lack of) thought that (doesn't) count". "Massive" - less than a billion a year spent on active travel (trying to catch up / building a network across the entire country) Not massive - 6 billion every year (2026-2030) spent on road *maintenance* of existing "already built, goes everywhere, very convenient" road network for inactive travel Ultimately the reason "cycle infra" is *needed* is those unbelievably colossal amounts spent every year (and for more than a century now) on making mass motoring not just viable but apparently the "best choice" for most journeys. As the Dutch and others have shown, the majority of people *are* prepared to cycle and even mix with very light, slow local motor traffic *if* cycling is also made safe and convenient for the whole of their journey (including secure parking at both ends). (The history of the financial drivers of the current situation are a complex topic but note that while people complain about "crumbling roads" and underfunded motor infra - with some reason - by us continuing the fuel duty escalator freeze (for example) we're actually helping motorists pay *even less* for that activity / subsidising more of the cost of driving than ever.)
yes, but people will still object - which was my point.
So ' Priority of Road Users' and 1.5 metre clearance at 30mph has been been reduced to 'sharing'? NCN route 2 here in South Hams is an absolute scream with white vans, tractors and total idiots who refuse,or are totally incapable,to reverse on high Devon banked lanes ...means you have to get off and pedal back to a passing place....could be at that all day...so I don't bother...
@MaxiMinimalist Agreed. The big problem I see now is today's parents grew up being driven to their schools, and therefore, see private motor vehicles as the only viable form of transport. The vast majority of UK infant and primary schools have a catchment area that is within easy walking distance from home to school. Yet, the traffic caused by pupils being driven to/from school is astonishing. Banishing the "School Run" should be a priority for all schools.
When I was a kid (that was during the previous millenium when phones were connected to a plug in the wall), I rode my bicycle to school, music academy, sport grounds, parties even during the winter. The government didn't have to spend, correct that, didn't have to think of spending massive amounts of money to build cycling specific infrastructures. Over the past 3 or 4 decades, cars have grown bigger, taller, safer (for their drivers) and faster. Meanwhile, motorists have become abusive, aggressive, hypersensitive to people moving on two wheels, aka cyclists. Spending billions upon billions on new infrastructure won't address the crux of the matter. Sadly.
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That video from South London,
That video from South London, where an (untaxed, uninsured) driver swerves across lanes without looking whilst making an illegal turn… and then people blame the cyclist ‘100%’….
If ever there was proof of the ignorance and prejudice of so many of our fellow road users, this, surely, is it.
the little onion wrote:
It shows how much people think that an indicator means “Get out of my way! I’m coming through” rather than “I want to turn when there’s some room and it’s safe”.
hawkinspeter wrote:
That video from South London, where an (untaxed, uninsured) driver swerves across lanes without looking whilst making an illegal turn… and then people blame the cyclist ‘100%’….
If ever there was proof of the ignorance and prejudice of so many of our fellow road users, this, surely, is it.
— hawkinspeter It shows how much people think that an indicator means “Get out of my way! I’m coming through” rather than “I want to turn when there’s some room and it’s safe”.— the little onion
And explains why so many pedestrians get their backs up when a cyclist rings their bell – they think the cyclist is doing the same thing…
hawkinspeter wrote:
That video from South London, where an (untaxed, uninsured) driver swerves across lanes without looking whilst making an illegal turn… and then people blame the cyclist ‘100%’….
If ever there was proof of the ignorance and prejudice of so many of our fellow road users, this, surely, is it.
— hawkinspeter It shows how much people think that an indicator means “Get out of my way! I’m coming through” rather than “I want to turn when there’s some room and it’s safe”.— the little onion
It shows how much driving a Range Rover means “Get out of my way! I’m coming through”.
I was cycling to work this morning thinking to myself (quite rightly) that the vast majority of cars that overtake me do so carefully giving reasonable room even when there is oncoming traffic, when guess what vehicle close passes me with no oncoming traffic. Yes a Range Rover (with a personalised number plate of course).
Good avoiding reaction by the
Good avoiding reaction by the cyclist, (although his rear wheel might be damaged as he ended up stood on the spokes).
Before I start, overall I
Before I start, overall I would say that the car is at fault.
My general rule would be that I wouldn’t undertake a car with an approaching side road, indicator or not. Perhaps the cyclist saw the no left turn and assumed that the driver wouldn’t go down there.
Shake wrote:
No, no, no and no again. The DRIVER is at fault. Please stop excusing the driver by blaming the car.
https://road.cc/content/news/media-guidelines-launched-reporting-road-collisions-277575
Force of habit.
Force of habit.
Years of car vs bike language takes a while to break. I must try harder
Shake wrote:
Or as someone said earlier, maybe the indicator wasn’t working and the cyclist had no idea the driver was intending to turn…
Exactly, I was saying that
Exactly, I was saying that the indicator plays no real part. If the cyclist did or didn’t see an indicator, they might have seen the no left turn and assumed the driver wasn’t going to turn left and thought it safe to go down on the inside, which it should have been.
I would say the indicator
I would say the indicator plays a big part though. Without the No Left Turn sign , would you then slow down every time a car goes past you on the approach to a junction like that or would you usually assume the driver is not going to turn left unless they were indicating?
Or the driver wasn’t keeping
Or the driver wasn’t keeping the vehicle in roadworthy condition – let’s not blame the inanimate object.
Shake wrote:
Assuming that the driver would obey the clear signage? Tut-tut!
Quote:
Actually the majority of replies make for refreshing reading. In addition to the fact that the driver was making an illegal left turn, and turned across another lane of moving traffic without adequately checking it was clear, people have pointed out that the vehicle had no tax or MOT, and also that the front indicator was flashing very fast which may well suggest the rear indicator was not operating (something which would have been picked up on the MOT if the driver had bothered to get one…)
On the indicator flash, I
On the indicator flash, I suspect its LED lighting,and the power frequency to illuminate the light for a pulse is just out of synch with the frame rate of the camera, as I’m always getting that kind of strobe rapid flash effect with all types of lights (indicators,headlights,rearlights) on newer cars
Not impossible – that thought
Not impossible – that thought did cross my mind but I don’t *think* it looks like that to me. I know this is hardly conclusive, but no such strobing is visible on any of the other lights (including the other lights on the range rover or the indicator lights of the the Toyota waiting to pull out), and the apparent frequency of the range rover’s indicator matches what I’ve observed previously from cars with one indicator not working.
Regarding the Bollards,
Regarding the Bollards, looking at the one picture with damage, it is the drivers side wheel. Looks to me like they hit the central reservation. The roads looks nice and straight and plenty of room and stuff on the drivers side is alot easier to judge and avoid then the other side so just really really bad driving there myself. I’m glad they have taken themselves off the road and hopefully checked for driving under the influence of something.
It looks to me they probably
It looks to me they probably clouted the bollards first,and then reacted by over correcting to steer right, and caught the kerb of the central refuge the wheel was then at an angle it took a sideways hit which broke the bottom suspension mount. I’ve had cars touch central refuges like that square on, whilst overtaking me on my bike and it hasnt ripped a wheel off like that yet.
The bollards are doing the
The bollards are doing the Lord’s Work.
Excellent – as are lots of
Excellent – as are lots of replies to that tweet.
Comiston Road is one of those which many drivers can’t really manage. Two lanes in each direction but no central reservation, just islands. Speed limit is 30 but it’s the type of road that often used to be 40, and the hill is steep enough that many going down can’t keep legal. Speed camera halfway down jerks them out of auto pilot mode.
I wouldn’t have ridden down there before the lane went in – there are nicer, smaller parallel roads very near by. And I’m not sure I’ll be putting much faith in the wands by the look of it…
The fault lies with the range
The fault lies with the range rover both for an illegal left turn and for not checking the cycle lane was clear,no question on that…however whether I faced with the exact same situation would have ridden up the inside there is another matter entirely
Awavey wrote:
No. The fault lies with the driver. Didn’t you get the memo about media reporting of crashes?
I dont consider myself to be
I dont consider myself to be the media 😉
They didn’t ride up the
They didn’t ride up the inside – they travelled on a separate lane (solid white line), and the vehicle on the outside lane stuck their brakes on and slowed down, and swung across without looking.
well actually the whole infra
well actually the whole infra there is a bit of a mix of everything, its a bollard protected lane, then it completely disappears, then its a solid white line painted lane again but only for a car length, as its a dotted line at the junction again as thats how vehicles are allowed to cross the cycle lane, its classic case of multiple schemes over time been setup but no overall plan to guide cyclists or even drivers properly or safely from one bit to the next, even the no left turn seems a bit tacked on.
Im looking at that situation and thinking I dont care its a separate lane, I dont care drivers are supposed to look before turning across it, I dont even care there is this sign that says drivers cant turn left there, none of that matters as you cannot rely on any of that protecting you,the only thing I care about is not becoming another injury statistic.
so there is no way Id be riding into that position that left me vulnerable to a vehicle, especially one the size of a Range Rover,potentially left hooking me, and in city traffic you have to be hyper aware of all the small things that can go wrong,no indication from the car,driver doesnt look, turns left on a no left turn, to pick your way through safely enough.
as I said theres no fault on the cyclist at all the blame is all on the driver, but I wouldnt have passed the Range Rover till I was sure what route they were taking, if they are locked in straight ahead, fine, pass by the junction, but if you dont know, dont ride with them next to you as you approach a junction, even one they technically cant turn into.
well actually the whole infra
At the risk of opening another can of worms which does not absolve the driver at all, I suspect all the wands, lines and extra markings, plus the no left turn are part of an LTN or active travel improvements along that route. As of May last year, the lane was literally the smear of blue in places without mandated or advisory border markings and no sign of the no left turn erm, sign.
Good on Chris Froome for that
Good on Chris Froome for that memorial pic. I wonder if he went back up the hill to take it? Nice touch however it was done.
His 29th ride is not on
His 29th ride is not on Strava (he did a ride up there on the 23rd though so the original pic might have been from that). As the memorial tweet is dated the next day he was probably driven up there I suspect. However he didn’t need to do anything so chapeau doing it for the mother however he got there.
I knew and raced with Rick –
I knew and raced with Rick – he was an absolute fixture of the NW racing scene and a legend of a lad. Chapeau to Froome for doing this, it’s a lovely gesture. I’m sure Jackie, Rick’s mum, is dead chuffed
She did reply and thank him
She did reply and thank him
https://twitter.com/JackieTaylor32/status/1311247269065363456
“which puts the driver
“which puts the driver completely in the wrong”
The driver was already completely in the wrong, but at least they’ve clarified and admitted fault. That goes some way towards a remedy for the situation.
That road closed sign LOL..
That road closed sign LOL…which semi-literate fool put that together.
And road closed to pedestrians…how’s that work?
Cupov wrote:
I would have thought that was pretty clear, people do walk down roads and verge’s.
Many times on roadworks you can cycle past or walk on a pavement or verge so cyclists and sometimes hikers are always tempted to give it a try, I have worked on such sections myself and the client was getting totally frustrated at turning them back, which meant a long ride back, so everyone was getting pissed off. I suggested adding Cyclists and pedestrians and unsurprisingly the problem stopped.
You can’t close a road to
You can’t close a road to pedestrians in this way. Suggest sign is ignored. Push bike past roadworks.
Well, it’s possible that the
Well, it’s possible that the road is literally impassable – like they’re digging a massive hole from hedge to hedge or something.
They mentioned a failed
They mentioned a failed culvert in one of the papers stories so that would be all across the road. And as it is the moors, I wouldn’t fancy trying to get around it.
I checked it up and they have been trying to improve all of that route due to large amounts of accidents all along it for the past couple of years. Each time they do a section they close it in this way due to the work, and everytime there is people moaning it doesn’t need to be made safe and leave it open.
AlsoSomniloquism wrote:
“Don’t step off the path!”
Is there a pub near here?
Is there a pub near here?
says road widening
says road widening,resurfacing and installation of new kerbs on the roadworks website https://one.network/?118039954
One of the newspaper reports
One of the newspaper reports stated it was taking longer then expected because of the culvert was found to be collapsed. However if you see that road and the work you have listed, I can see why the sign pretty much states the whole road is closed for any type of travel and not just for cars. I expect there is very little room to clamber by on the public sides.
Just to try being a devils
Just to try being a devils advocate for a moment. We have to accept that at this junction there is a lot for a driver to take in and do. Firstly they have to spot the no left turn sign (in this case small and easily missed. Secondly they have to ensure that the junction is clear of pedestrians. Thirdly they have to make sure that the cycle lane is clear for them to cross (on a road without a cycle lane you would move to the left hand lane which would stop any cars coming up on your inside). Yes the driver was in the wrong but the cyclist needs to accept that they are both on the same carriageway and and need to stay alert to cars signalling their intentions. In this case the driver was clearly indicating their intention to turn left while the guy on the bike was well behind the car. It would be foolhardy to pass on the inside when the driver was clearly indicating their intention. I suspect the police would be reluctant to proceed in this case other than the no left turn sign made the whole act illegal. Although a barrister may well argue that the sign was badly placed and too small.
Although a barrister may
Although a barrister may well argue that the sign was badly placed and too small.
OK- let them employ Shyster Lawyers Inc. then. We don’t need the police to do their job for them. I can’t see me having been caught out like this cyclist, but I could be wrong. The person wielding the killing machine has to accept increased responsibilities and liabilities, as opposed to the cyclist Injured Party being blamed by the usual suspects
There is an argument that
There is an argument that they might have been clearly signalling their intentions from the front of the car but the speed of the pulse shown on film could indicate a failed rear one. (althought that could also be the way newer LED lights show on frame rates). The brake lights would have come on(unless they are also faulty) but then the cars in front were stopped so if the rear indicators were not working, then that could have just been down to the queue of traffic building up again.
Yes, if the left turn was legal the Police might have been reluctant to proceed on Careless driving. Even then though I would expect the Police to still do the driver for driving without Insurance, Tax and MOT if nothing else.
roadrunner23 wrote:
Well in that case stop until you’ve checked it’s ok to do the manoeuvre. It’s quite simple. Drivers have some odd performance anxiety: “what if I held every up for a minute?” This needs to be removed while they learn. Just WAIT AND OBSERVE. Eventually it’ll be safe to do or you’ll see why you can’t do it.
I have pointed out elsewhere
I have pointed out elsewhere that as DVLA searches show that this particular vehicle has neither VED nor a current MOT, it wouldn’t be farfetched to assume at least the possibility that his tailights could have been malfunctioning.
roadrunner23 wrote:
First, the driver needs to accept this. It is really simple; slow down to a speed suitable to safely execute the manoeuvre. This includes all required checks and thought processes. Stop if necessary. Shoulder check. Proceed with caution. If there is too much going on to process, slow down further.
It is not for the vulnerable to mitigate the crap driving of some road users. The thought seems to be that the vulnerable need to account for the errors (at best…) of the dangerous whilst being absolutely 100% perfect in this respect. The blame then shifts to the failure of mitigation of the victim, rather than where it actually lies – the negligence of the vehicle driver.
That South London Press
That South London Press ‘story’ is so needless, provocative and obviously designed to incite negative comments and attitude. Why do it? If it was a pedestrian being side swiped would they publish the video accompanied by the same headline? Of course they would not. But it’s a person on a cycle so . . . . Yea, let’s shit stir.
“Watch the moment a motorist
“Watch the moment a motorist narrowly avoids a concrete block thrown from a motorway bridge. Who do you think was in the wrong?”