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"Keep your hands to yourself, it's not difficult": Fans left uncomfortable as Lorena Wiebes forced to ride away from "hands-on" race marshal; Flanders or Huddersfield? Check out this savage cobbled climb; Cycle lane sweepers + more on the live blog

Happy middle of the week! After your brief — but I'm sure much-needed — mini-break with Ryan, Dan Alexander is back on the live blog ...
05 October 2022, 16:02
Correction: Oooh look at me, my name's Chris Froome and I go on work trips to Israel

Go find the earlier blog post if you're now very confused...

05 October 2022, 15:39
Uh oh, they're talking about helmets again...

Do we really need another helmet debate on social media?

I'll let you be the judge of that. Feel free to find something less tiresome to read on today's blog...

BUT this one's hardly your usual six-follower, no avatar, provocateur...

On the topic of hi-vis...

05 October 2022, 14:39
Oooh look at me, my name's Chris Froome and I live on the Mediterranean

No leg warmers? Sweat marks? Sunshine? You wouldn't get that here in October...

05 October 2022, 14:17
British Cycling opens door to "wider use of on-board cameras in sanctioned races"

British Cycling has announced approval for wider use of on-board cameras in sanctioned races, "helping to showcase the thrills and excitement of the sport and enable fans to get closer to the action than ever before".

After a successful trial in this year's National Road Series and National Circuit Series, riders will be able to apply for approval from the governing body prior to an event, filling in this form, at least seven days prior.

"I'm really pleased that we're now able to widen the opportunity for riders and event organisers to capture on-board footage in British Cycling events, helping to showcase the thrills of racing and taking the sport to new audiences," Dani Every, British Cycling's delivery director, said.

"Having successfully trialled the process this summer, and seen the success of on-board cameras in events like the UCI Track Champions League, we're really excited by the potential of their wider use and would encourage any riders or event organisers who are interested to contact our compliance team to find out more."

What do you reckon? Positive news? 

05 October 2022, 13:45
Wahoo Roam V2 first look — Better maps, colours and GPS?

If you missed it yesterday...

> Wahoo launches refreshed Elemnt Roam with more powerful colour screen: first ride impressions

Plenty of bezel chat amongst you lot...

Sriracha: "First impression: wow, that's a big bezel!"

Surreyrider was more concerned with the £50 price hike, but back to bezels...zeeridesbikes: "What is going on with that bezel?! I'll stick with my Karoo 2. Battery's life isn't as good (12 hours ish) but at least it works like a smartphone and the navigation is incredible."

Wahoo Roam V2 summit climb pro feature

BalladOfStruth joined Liam and Jamie in playing spot the difference: "It's the same as the old one. It looks like the only physical change is the three buttons below the screen have been changed from recessed fiddly buttons under a single piece of rubber (which were a bit of a bitch to press in gloves), to three individual buttons flush with the screen. Otherwise it's literally identical to the old one."

2022 Wahoo Roam V2 maps comparison

Spot the difference...

05 October 2022, 13:21
"Some schools have memorial gardens to the children they have lost as a result of poor driver behaviour. Not on my watch": Headteacher takes on parents' bad parking

Now, admittedly — as a few people pointed out here — wouldn't promoting active travel as a school run replacement be an easy option?

Regardless, strong stuff from the headteacher of a school in Dulwich, south London, who is so fed up with parents parking where they want, "endangering the lives of others", that this letter dropped into the inboxes this week...

Some highlights...

"For the sake of the children I now ask you to make that change [...] the behaviours of a few are endangering the lives of others [...] some schools have memorial gardens to the children that they lost as a result of poor driver behaviour. Not on my watch."

05 October 2022, 11:40
Flanders or Huddersfield? Check out this savage cobbled climb

🚨Monster climb klaxon 🚨

Just outside Huddersfield it seems there's a cobbled berg straight out the Tour of Flanders...(not just because of the Strava segement's name)...

Huddersfield Flanders (Strava)

Get ready for leg-shredding images...

Nether Moor Road goes straight on the bucket list... just below Bamford Clough...

05 October 2022, 11:24
Best cycling gear 2022 | road.cc Recommends episode 19
05 October 2022, 09:47
One vehicle you don't mind seeing in the cycle lane
05 October 2022, 09:34
"Yuck"

A few of your comments...

"Yuck. That dude needs to back off, just watched the full replay — she pushes him away several times and he doesn't go. Aside from that, what a finish — metres ahead of second & third, a class of her own. Good to see Le Col Wahoo on the podium too, a smaller British outfit," thisismyusername commented.

peted76 has noticed the problem before: "This isn't a one off problem (I've seen it plenty in all kinds of race) nor (in my opinion) is it a male or female problem. Sometimes, as in this case, it is uncomfortable viewing, just leave the riders alone to gather themselves."

05 October 2022, 09:25
Cue the amateur detective work...

Here's one of Lorena Wiebes' DSM teammates dropping a like on a Tweet calling the marshal's behaviour "uncomfortable" and asking "how many times does she have to push his hand off her?"

Wiebes' teammate
05 October 2022, 08:04
"Keep your hands to yourself, it's not difficult": Fans left uncomfortable as Lorena Wiebes forced to ride away from "hands-on" race marshal

If we were uncomfortable, think how Lorena Wiebes felt...

Binche-Chimay-Binche should have been the story of the Dutch sprinter winning her 23rd race of the season on her final appearance for DSM, and while Ryan gave her deserved props on yesterday's blog, the majority of the post-race chatter was about this less-than-comfortable scene from the finish...

On commentary, José Been described the man, tasked with escorting the winning rider to the podium, as "a little bit touchy which Wiebes does not appreciate, to be honest".

Wiebes repeatedly pushed the marshal's hands off her back and shoulders before eventually riding off in search of her teammates.

With full respect to the Belgian one-day race, Binche-Chimay-Binche is not the Tour de France, where the bustle of reporters, photographers and team staff waiting to greet the winner can see a rider swarmed by a sea of attention, getting further and further from stepping on the podium by the second.

Lorena Wiebes Binch-Chimay-Binche marshal (GCN+)
Lorena Wiebes Binch-Chimay-Binche marshal (GCN+)

Even there race staff tend to form a human barricade rather than insisting on touching the rider. On a sporting level, when your heart rate is at 190, you can taste blood, legs weak and you're just wondering if you can make it to the podium without throwing up, a hand on the back or someone invading your personal space can be infuriating (not that I'd know what riding to a podium feels like)...

Lorena Wiebes Binch-Chimay-Binche marshal (GCN+)

More importantly, on a human level, keep your hands to yourself...(rant over)...

Dan is the road.cc news editor and joined in 2020 having previously written about nearly every other sport under the sun for the Express, and the weird and wonderful world of non-league football for The Non-League Paper. Dan has been at road.cc for four years and mainly writes news and tech articles as well as the occasional feature. He has hopefully kept you entertained on the live blog too.

Never fast enough to take things on the bike too seriously, when he's not working you'll find him exploring the south of England by two wheels at a leisurely weekend pace, or enjoying his favourite Scottish roads when visiting family. Sometimes he'll even load up the bags and ride up the whole way, he's a bit strange like that.

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Sriracha | 2 years ago
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And now for some smile-making news (and death to Bristolian squirrels too) with a tangential connection to cycling:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-63142767

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Adam Sutton | 2 years ago
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Ah Mikey and helmets, let's not go there and upset his cult like twitter following 

 

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Hirsute replied to Adam Sutton | 2 years ago
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I just think if the answer is PPE, then it's not a great answer considering all the others things that are supposed to be done first !

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Adam Sutton replied to Hirsute | 2 years ago
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Is any single thing THE answer, or can a helmet help reduce risk in certain circumstances as part of a broader suite of measures?

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hawkinspeter replied to Adam Sutton | 2 years ago
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Adam Sutton wrote:

Is any single thing THE answer, or can a helmet help reduce risk in certain circumstances as part of a broader suite of measures?

Segregated infrastructure is probably closest to THE answer.

Helmets don't reduce risk (and according to a couple of studies increase it), but allegedly reduce the severity of the risks.

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marmotte27 replied to hawkinspeter | 2 years ago
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hawkinspeter wrote:

Segregated infrastructure is probably closest to THE answer.

No, THE answer is, reduce* individual  motorised traffic to a bare minimum.

* through regulation, taxation, interdiction...

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Daveyraveygravey replied to marmotte27 | 2 years ago
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marmotte27 wrote:

hawkinspeter wrote:

Segregated infrastructure is probably closest to THE answer.

No, THE answer is, reduce* individual  motorised traffic to a bare minimum.

* through regulation, taxation, interdiction...

Top of the list would be getting arseholes driving to behave like human beings, not psychopaths that give zero shits about anyone else...

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chrisonabike replied to marmotte27 | 2 years ago
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Yes, AND then re-engineer all the bits of our motor infra * so that they are safer and more convenient for cycling (and walking if there's no provision for that).

* Roads were not built for cars but by now they definitely aren't engineered for any other mode.  Traffic lights, lane dividers, large sewer gratings, high kerbs... not made for cyclists!

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Hirsute replied to Adam Sutton | 2 years ago
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Mitigate the outcome you mean.

Whether the risk increases/decreases/stays the same is a matter of debate.

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nosferatu1001 replied to Adam Sutton | 2 years ago
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PPE is the final step you take, having exhausted all other options.  They haven't done so. 

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Adam Sutton replied to Adam Sutton | 2 years ago
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Yup likewise predictable and tedious responses here too, because everything has to be about extreme cases not the countless instances that amount to little more than a minor "ah bollocks" moment because the rider had a helmet on thankfully. I've cracked my head on a kerb after an off on a greasy road wearing a helmet luckily, but yeah fuck it I'll throw the helmet away.

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marmotte27 replied to Adam Sutton | 2 years ago
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The only thing "predictable and tedious" here is your post.

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ktache replied to Adam Sutton | 2 years ago
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Well you should probably throw that helmet away.

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chrisonabike replied to Adam Sutton | 2 years ago
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I can predict this cartoon won't get old in the UK for a long time.  That is certainly tedious.

Anyway I'm all for people taking their own measures (and how would I stop them?)  It's just when those with power to do something really meaningful to alter road safety talk about this (or those with an interest in the status quo) it's helpful to reply:

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Hirsute | 2 years ago
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IanEdward | 2 years ago
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Those cobbles look fantastic, best I can offer is these beauties in deepest, wettest Argyll

Alternatively Back Causeway or Mid Causeway in Culross are both Arenberg-esque in their resemblence to broken bowling ball halves AND just generally berg-ish in the gradient if you sneak up Hagg's Wynd

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Shake | 2 years ago
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Didn't know Peter Sagan also works as a race marshal 

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Hirsute | 2 years ago
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brooksby replied to Hirsute | 2 years ago
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Yeah, I know.  I've given up on it, to be honest and just make sure to take primary along on the main carriageway.

The wands in the foreground were flattened about three weeks ago by a lorry delivering and then removing some scaffolding.  It happened about two days after the council had been and replaced some (that I'd brought to their attention).

The red van you can see is also parked across a couple of flattened wands.

I would love to do a FOI and find out how much taxpayer money is being spent on replacing these things.

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Hirsute replied to brooksby | 2 years ago
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I think the last one I saw was looking in the opposite direction, so it's probably the same spot.

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mark1a | 2 years ago
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It's the YJA Syndrome - Yellow Jacket of Authority.

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OldRidgeback replied to mark1a | 2 years ago
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it's creepy

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Awavey | 2 years ago
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Not that makes it acceptable, but I've seen worse man-handling post finish line, so if it hadnt been pointedly mentioned in the commentary, would everyone have reacted in the same way?

And wasnt he the drug test chaperone not the podium direction guy ?

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JustTryingToGet... replied to Awavey | 2 years ago
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Awavey wrote:

Not that makes it acceptable, but I've seen worse man-handling post finish line, so if it hadnt been pointedly mentioned in the commentary, would everyone have reacted in the same way?

And wasnt he the drug test chaperone not the podium direction guy ?

I think (hope?) the reaction would be the same without the commentary though would question if it would have been as widely covered without.

Let's hope the negative reaction will reduce the amount of inappropriate touching there guys get.

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AlsoSomniloquism replied to Awavey | 2 years ago
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I did wonder if it was Drug / compliance guy. Don't they have to check the bike and rider for the top three or so? He has to ensure the rider goes as directly to the area as possible without having the opportunity of swapping rides, hence the urgency but doesn't excuse the excessive manhandling. 

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Awavey replied to AlsoSomniloquism | 2 years ago
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well yes and not wishing to sound uber feminist about it but every woman has experienced that amount of unwanted invasion of personal space and touching, and sometimes more, its totally not ok right, Im not trying to excuse it.

but the doping control chaperones job is to coin a footballing phrase to be touch tight marking of the rider, till they hand them over to actual doping control, and thats why its more uncomfortably close contact than just some marshall offering directions to a podium.

 

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Rendel Harris replied to Awavey | 2 years ago
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Awavey wrote:

but the doping control chaperones job is to coin a footballing phrase to be touch tight marking of the rider, till they hand them over to actual doping control, and thats why its more uncomfortably close contact than just some marshall offering directions to a podium.

The simple solution would seem to be to employ female marshalls, I'm sure in a cycling-mad country like Belgium there would be no shortage of volunteers.

On a side note, I'm not au fait with all the latest doping techniques but what is there a rider could do between the finish and doping control that would alter her results anyway? The GT men seem to have a pretty free hand to celebrate with their soigneurs and management, take drinks etc before being taken to doping control, was this guy being over officious (apart fom the unwanted contact) in trying to rush her straight there?

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Sriracha replied to Rendel Harris | 2 years ago
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If the problem is unwanted touching, how does your simple solution help? Not sure if you are suggesting that a female would not commit the offence, or that it would be no offence if she did.

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Rendel Harris replied to Sriracha | 2 years ago
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Sriracha wrote:

If the problem is unwanted touching, how does your simple solution help? Not sure if you are suggesting that a female would not commit the offence, or that it would be no offence if she did.

I can't speak for women, not being one, but on the assumption that this marshall was just being crass rather than actually getting his jollies by touching the rider I think most women would be less disturbed if it was another woman, wouldn't they? In just the same way as they would feel less threatened if it was another woman behind them on the street at night or in an empty railway carriage, the threat level is completely different.

In terms of not committing the offence, yes I think it's quite likely that a woman would treat another woman with more respect and not feel she had the right to (wo)manhandle her, clearly that would not be true in all cases but the likelihood is greater.

ETA Just asked Mrs H's opinion, she is of the mind that she would definitely view it differently if she were in that position and it was a woman rather than a man, for much the same reasons as I gave above (which she hasn't seen!), "If it was a woman I would find it annoying, if it's a man I would find it threatening."

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IanMSpencer | 2 years ago
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I'm sure that roadsweeper is photoshopped, I've never seen a swept cycle lane in my life.

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