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Christmas tree in the middle of cycle lane in Cabourg, France (image credit: Dérailleurs du Calvados)
Christmas tree in the middle of cycle lane in Cabourg, France (image credit: Dérailleurs du Calvados) (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)

It’s beginning to look a lot like Christmas, but not in a good way: French officials slammed for sticking Christmas tree in the middle of trans-European bike route; Leknessund shows off icicles on eyelashes in -24C training ride + more on the live blog

It’s a fresh start to the week, Adwitiya on duty for Monday’s roundup of everything going on the world of cycling
  • by Adwitiya Pal
Mon, Dec 04, 2023 10:01
63

SUMMARY

  • “-24C and still smiling”: Andreas Leknessund shows off icicles on eyelashes during an extreme weather training ride
  • Here's your weekend round-up, just how you requested
  • 🎄🚲 It's Tree By Bike time!
  • Best and worst London cycling lanes? A story in two parts...
  • Campaign group seeking more donations to fight Government's active travel funding cuts
  • 16-24s rely less on cars and use range of travel options, including cycling – but miss out on work, study and social opportunities
  • But who would use all the bike racks on a cold, wet day in December?
  • A new Strava feature without subscription?! Strava introduces messaging - you can now communicate with your friends on the app
  • Drunk driver charged with killing world Masters champion Ethan Boyes while speeding in a cycle lane
  • Egan Bernal accidentally leaks new Ineos Grenadiers kit
  • “There are behaviours they allow for cyclists, but they would never accept these things for cars”: Cyclists slam French city council for putting a Christmas tree in the middle of a bike path
Christmas tree in the middle of cycle lane in Cabourg, France (image credit: Dérailleurs du Calvados)
Christmas tree in the middle of cycle lane in Cabourg, France (image credit: Dérailleurs du Calvados) (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)
4 December 2023, 10:01

“-24C and still smiling”: Andreas Leknessund shows off icicles on eyelashes during an extreme weather training ride

Brrrr….

I know it’s getting really cold here in the UK (your live blog host has now also been blessed with Cardiff rains), but at least we don’t have to go out for rides in -24 degrees Celsius!

Spare a thought for Andreas Leknessund, a holder of the maglia rosa jersey at this year’s Giro d’Italia and a stage winner at Tour de Suisse, who’s not just battling the usual demons on his bike, but also the frigid weather.

📺 Andreas Leknessund (Uno-X in 2024) has not applied personal extreme weather protocol in training. -24°C and still smiling. 😊🚲🧊pic.twitter.com/XvbGRyLsZj

— ammattipyöräily (@ammattipyoraily) December 3, 2023

The 24-year-old Norwegian who’ll have a bit of a homecoming next season as he dons on the yellow and red of Uno-X, his country’s newly-qualified World Tour status team for which he has ridden before as a youth, seemed to be completely unfazed by the chill and grinned from ear to ear as he showed off the temperature first, and then the icicles formed on his eyelashes.

I’ll be honest, I’ve been finding it difficult these last few days to build up the courage and head out on the saddle, but I think still faring quite well (better than I thought I would). But out in -24? I’ll gladly stay indoors sipping my whisky.

But surprisingly, after seeing multiple races being abandoned due to treacherous weather conditions this year, fans went ahead and asked if riders could train for weather conditions like this, what’s stopping them from racing in 7 degrees and rain (calling this year’s Giro weather as just rain seems like quite the euphemism in my opinion…)

> Why pro cycling needs to ditch its ‘hardness’ obsession

Rain lashing down at Giro d'Italia stage 10
Rain lashing down at Giro d'Italia stage 10 (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)
Rain lashing down at Giro d'Italia stage 10
Rain lashing down at Giro d'Italia stage 10 (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)

It does call for concern at whether this sort of riding is even beneficial or not? I don’t know, I’ll let the pros (or the readers of this live blog) decide…

4 December 2023, 10:01

Here's your weekend round-up, just how you requested

While I was building up a sweat at the Penarth hill climbs in the freezing morning sun, Ryan from the road.cc news team was chipping away to bring you some really important (and of course, hilarious) stories at the weekend. So here’s everything you might have missed from the cycling news world (+ tech of the week)…

Keyhole Bridge before and after, Poole (via Cycling UK).PNG
Keyhole Bridge before and after, Poole (via Cycling UK) (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)
Keyhole Bridge before and after, Poole (via Cycling UK).PNG
Keyhole Bridge before and after, Poole (via Cycling UK) (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)

> Rat-run bridge will remain open to motor traffic, insists council – despite Cycling UK proclaiming “victory” for cyclists and walkers following legal challenge

> Teachers and parents urge council to save School Street after motorist nearly hits child on bike outside school where barriers were removed

Highland cow watches the 2021 Tour of Britain, stage eight, to Aberdeen (SWpix.com)
Highland cow watches the 2021 Tour of Britain, stage eight, to Aberdeen (SWpix (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)
Highland cow watches the 2021 Tour of Britain, stage eight, to Aberdeen (SWpix.com)
Highland cow watches the 2021 Tour of Britain, stage eight, to Aberdeen (SWpix (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)

> Wake up to (anything but) milk: Pro cyclists warned not to eat or drink dairy products at cyclocross race after positive doping tests

> UAE Team Emirates pro lambasted for hanging onto back of lorry during training ride, as manager slams “regrettable and unacceptable attitude”

Cyclists at traffic lights (©Toby Jacobs)
Cyclists at traffic lights (©Toby Jacobs) (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)
Cyclists at traffic lights (©Toby Jacobs)
Cyclists at traffic lights (©Toby Jacobs) (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)

> Cycling retailers demand changes to “flawed” Cycle to Work scheme that puts “business profits well ahead of cycling development”

> “Grow up”: Police criticised for targeting “incredibly dangerous” cyclists riding against one-way system

Lars van der Haar narrowly misses duck during UCI cyclocross World Cup round (GCN/Eurosport)
Eurosport) (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)
Lars van der Haar narrowly misses duck during UCI cyclocross World Cup round (GCN/Eurosport)
Eurosport) (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)

> Is that Sven and Thibau Geese? Cyclocross riders forced to avoid pair of ducks chilling out on course during World Cup race

2024 December 2 Tech of the Week - 1
2024 December 2 Tech of the Week - 1 (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)
2024 December 2 Tech of the Week - 1
2024 December 2 Tech of the Week – 1 (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)

> Check out the strangest folding bike you’ve ever seen (even the wheels fold) + emoji bike lights and tech news from Decathlon, Rapha, Bianchi, See.Sense & more

4 December 2023, 10:01

🎄🚲 It's Tree By Bike time!

It’s December, snow’s here (at least for some), the carols (I mean, Mariah Carey) are abound, it could only mean one thing… it’s Tree By Bike time again!

It’s #TreeByBike time again! 🎄🚲🌟 https://t.co/tXWDQubPl7

— London Cycling Campaign (@London_Cycling) December 4, 2023

Temperatures of -1oC and need to pick up a 25kg bag of cement and a Christmas tree from @BandQ? No better vehicle for the job than @ternbicycles #TernHSD – even @RealSirTomJones agrees! ❄️🚲🔋⚡️🧱🎄🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿👍🏻 #LeaveTheCarAtHome #TreeByBike pic.twitter.com/ECQuOMSlAu

— Hamish Belding (@BikeWalkScoot) December 1, 2023

#TreeByBike, the 7 months pregnant edition! pic.twitter.com/yBL6yeb6Og

— Madeleine Bonsma-Fisher (@mbonsma) December 3, 2023

Over the last decade, collecting our #TreeByBike has evolved from political statement to one of our family’s most revered annual rituals.

In that period, we’ve watched a global community grow around a hashtag, filled with folks changing hearts, minds and streets in their cities. pic.twitter.com/x0z8MJcit8

— Melissa & Chris Bruntlett (@modacitylife) December 3, 2023

4 December 2023, 10:01

Best and worst London cycling lanes? A story in two parts...

Embankment cycle lane vs Westminster bridge cycle lane. Which one would you ride on?

Is this the most scenic cycle lane in London? We love it 😍😍

Iconic buses, the Millenium wheel, beautiful lampposts, not to mention the Thames ⛴️

It’s along the Embankment, and even today when it was just 2 degrees 🥶 it had seen nearly 1500 🚲 journeys by 9.30 AM … /1 pic.twitter.com/kDmXdx1EfZ

— Westminster Cycling Campaign (@Westminster_LCC) December 1, 2023

No point even trying to use Westminster bridge cycle lane… pic.twitter.com/ysisY0sRGZ

— Cycling in London (@Cycling_In_LDN) December 2, 2023

4 December 2023, 10:01

Campaign group seeking more donations to fight Government's active travel funding cuts

Transport Action Network, a campaign group helping to press for more sustainable transport in England and Wales, has launched a fundraiser titled “Stop the cuts to walking and cycling” aiming to raise £40,000 to challenge the UK Government’s decision to slash the active travel budget for England in March.

The camapaign says: “We believe that by making ad hoc announcements, ministers have tried to unlawfully bypass the framework set by Parliament. By cutting funding, there is now a stark and inevitable inconsistency between the active travel objectives and the funding to achieve them.

“Ministers appear to have failed to take into account the impacts on climate and air pollution targets. Also, their legal duties to make facilities more accessible for people with disabilities and cycling more inclusive for children, older people and women.”

> “Depressing” decrease in cycling traffic due to government’s “flawed” decision to slash active travel budget, says Cycling UK

If Transport Action Network (TAN) wins the case, they say that the government’s decision to cut the funding by two-thirds over the next two years, which was recently labelled “flawed” by Cycling UK, would be rescinded, setting an important precedent about the transparency needed for funding as well as they adequacy to meet the cycling and walking objectives.

“MPs have done their best to ask Parliamentary questions about the exact funding position but ministers have been evasive in their answers. So bringing a legal case is really our only option,” said TAN.

TAN’s legal team is led by David Forsdick KC, a highly ranked environmental lawyer, instructed by Leigh Day solicitors. The campaign has so far raised just over £28,000, with the fundraiser going on for 4 more weeks. A full hearing is due in early 2024.

4 December 2023, 10:01

16-24s rely less on cars and use range of travel options, including cycling – but miss out on work, study and social opportunities

Cycle parking - Cyclehoop big bike © Simon MacMichael.jpeg
Cycle parking - Cyclehoop big bike © Simon MacMichael (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)
Cycle parking - Cyclehoop big bike © Simon MacMichael.jpeg
Cycle parking – Cyclehoop big bike © Simon MacMichael (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)

New research from Sustrans and the University of the West of England (UWE) Bristol says that young people will be left behind and denied access to work and educational opportunities, as well as social events, unless their needs are taken into account when planning transport policy.

The findings come at a time when there has been a sharp fall in the number of young people obtaining a full driving licence, with just one in four of those aged 17-20 currently doing so, compared to half of the same age group around 30 years ago.

The Sustrans and UWE Bristol research, which was funded by the Health Foundation, focused on people aged 16-24 and found that they make 21 per cent fewer trips than other working age adults, ie 25-64s, and that the gap has widened during the past two decades.

Read more: > Young will be left behind unless their transport needs are met, says new report from Sustrans and UWE

4 December 2023, 10:01

But who would use all the bike racks on a cold, wet day in December?

The kids are alright…

Today’s school bike racks for those who asked me to “post photos of them again on a cold wet day in December and see if children are still cycling then.”

Looks like they are, tbh. pic.twitter.com/WfoQydxffu

— Cllr Emily Kerr 💚 (@EmilyKerr36) December 4, 2023

What a joyous sight and feeling to know that the future generation is making the right decisions and choosing to pedal their way to the school, so here’s me doing my part, hopefully doing enough to encourage you all to get on the bike for a spin along with your little ones this week!

4 December 2023, 10:01

A new Strava feature without subscription?! Strava introduces messaging - you can now communicate with your friends on the app

strava hero
strava hero (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)
strava hero
strava hero (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)

Strava has launched a new in-app messaging feature saying it is an “efficient avenue for athletes to coordinate adventures, connect for inspiration or tips, share their journey, and more – all within a unified platform”.

We’ve been testing the beta version of the messaging at the office for the last couple of weeks and have enjoyed how easy it makes sharing routes with others. This feature might just be the best way for clubs and cycling groups to communicate ride plans and chat with each other without having to add everyone based on their phone numbers.

The new messaging feature offers direct (one-on-one) and group messages. This feature is available for all Strava users, not only those with the app’s paid Subscription. Users can also customise the messaging feature based on their desires – for example, they can set their preferences on who can invite them to a group message or who can message them directly. 

> Strava introduces messaging – you can now communicate with your friends on the app

4 December 2023, 10:01

Drunk driver charged with killing world Masters champion Ethan Boyes while speeding in a cycle lane

Ethan Boyes (credit - USA Cycling)
Ethan Boyes (credit - USA Cycling) (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)
Ethan Boyes (credit - USA Cycling)
Ethan Boyes (credit – USA Cycling) (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)

In April this year, world Masters track champion Ethan Boyes was killed after being struck head-on by an allegedly speeding motorist while riding in one of the park’s cycle lanes. Now, prosecutors in northern California have charged an elderly man of striking and killing Boyes while drunk behind the wheel.

81-year-old San Francisco resident Arnold Kinman Low was indicted last week with involuntary manslaughter and operating a motor vehicle under the influence of alcohol, the U.S. Attorney’s Office for the Northern District of California said in a statement.

Earlier, it had been reported based on the accounts of several eyewitnesses online that the cyclist was riding in the non-segregated cycle lane on Arguello Boulevard in the Presidio, near what Biking in LA described  as a “treacherous” junction, when a “speeding” motorist heading northbound “swerved” across the road and into the bike lane.

A 10-time US national champion throughout his career, the late North Carolina-born sprinter holds the World’s Best Performance record for men aged 35-39 in the Kilo, set in 2015, as well as a number of national records.

The group ended the vigil for world champion cyclist #EthanBoyes by shouting out loud “We love you Ethan!” @nbcbayarea pic.twitter.com/5el7sQEH3Y

— Gia Vang (@Gia_Vang) April 8, 2023

Following the tragic collision, the San Francisco Bicycle Coalition – a non-profit public-benefit organisation created to transform the city’s streets and neighbourhoods into “more liveable and safe places by promoting the bicycle for everyday transportation” – had called for immediate changes to be made to better protect people riding their bikes in Presidio national park.

Cycling activists in San Francisco have long campaigned for changes to be made to Arguello Boulevard in Presidio, an area which falls under the jurisdiction of the park’s governing body and not the city authorities.

The coalition had said in a statement: “One traffic fatality is one too many. Last year, we experienced the most traffic fatalities on SF streets in a decade. This is unacceptable considering the city’s Vision Zero goal of ending traffic-related death and serious injuries by 2024 is just a year away. More action must be taken by the City to address safety on our streets.”

4 December 2023, 10:01

Egan Bernal accidentally leaks new Ineos Grenadiers kit

This is the moment where your live blog uploads a pixelated picture of a leaked new kit and asks for your thoughts on it, so please let me know how do you find this picture shared, and then also swiftly deleted by Egan Bernal on Instagram.

Ineos Grenadiers new kit (Instagram: @eganbernal)
Ineos Grenadiers new kit (Instagram: @eganbernal) (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)
Ineos Grenadiers new kit (Instagram: @eganbernal)
Ineos Grenadiers new kit (Instagram: @eganbernal) (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)

My two cents? I think it looks rather neat!

4 December 2023, 10:01

“There are behaviours they allow for cyclists, but they would never accept these things for cars”: Cyclists slam French city council for putting a Christmas tree in the middle of a bike path

I’m sure enchanté wasn’t the word on most French cyclists’ lips in Cabourg after seeing this quite extraordinaire sight, a giant Christmas tree sitting smack in the middle of a cycle lane, in front of a resort’s casino in the seaside city in the department of Calvados.

And this is not the first time cyclists have had to deal with the presence of a Christmas tree not really where they’d want it. France Bleu reports that the officials were guilty of the same act last year as well. The city officials said that there was no other solution than, *checks notes* placing the giant, estranged tree in the middle of the road, um sorry, no the cycle path because of wiring issues.

Dérailleurs du Calvados, a cycling group from the department said mockingly: “In Cabourg, they decided not to change last year’s “good” practices: they put the Christmas tree back on the bike path!”

Christmas tree in the middle of cycle lane in Cabourg, France (image credit: Dérailleurs du Calvados)
Christmas tree in the middle of cycle lane in Cabourg, France (image credit: Dérailleurs du Calvados) (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)
Christmas tree in the middle of cycle lane in Cabourg, France (image credit: Dérailleurs du Calvados)
Christmas tree in the middle of cycle lane in Cabourg, France (image credit: Dérailleurs du Calvados) (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)

As expected, cyclists are raging. Fransescu Garoby, president of Dérailleurs du Calvados raised the question that would a spruce have been pitched up in the middle of a road instead? He answered his question himself: “A priori, no.”

He added: “There are behaviours that local authorities allow for cyclists, but they would never accept that for cars, or motorised vehicles in general. This shows that cycling as a means of everyday transport has still not become a serious solution in the eyes of the elected officials. They continue to consider it a hobby.”

To put the cherry (or, star) on top, the route on which the tree was placed is on La Vélomaritime, the EuroVelo 4 cycle route which goes through Normandy in France. Garoby said: “It is a major route which crosses all of Europe, from Roscoff in Brittany to Poland. This track therefore runs along the entire coast of Calvados. And in general, it is a local route, used by local residents.”

4 December 2023, 10:01

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Specialized S-Works Tarmac SL8 - SRAM Red eTap AXS

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4 December 2023, 10:01

Man robbed of £3,300 bike on own doorstep by gang of thugs

Man robbed of £3,300 bike on own doorstep by gang of thugs

West Midlands Police are investigating vicious assault which happened in Kingstanding, Birmingham last Friday

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63 thoughts on “It’s beginning to look a lot like Christmas, but not in a good way: French officials slammed for sticking Christmas tree in the middle of trans-European bike route; Leknessund shows off icicles on eyelashes in -24C training ride + more on the live blog”

  1. Hirsute
    December 4, 2023 at 10:34 am
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    “Oh ok I’ll buy a car then.
    “Oh ok I’ll buy a car then. That’ll fix my diabetes.”

    https://twitter.com/MikeyCycling/status/1731455131953054014

    “I hope Steve can get some regular time on a bike to stave off that type 2 diabetes he might have incoming in the future. ”

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  2. essexian
    December 4, 2023 at 10:34 am
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    Should we really have to

    Should we really have to share the roads with someone who takes a test 60, that 60 times before passing???

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/dec/04/60th-time-lucky-learner-driver-breaks-uk-record-for-sitting-theory-test

    God knows how bad at actually driving they will be.

    Time for retests for all every five years. Its madness that I’ve not been retested in 38 years!

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    • Hirsute
      December 4, 2023 at 10:40 am
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      They might be really good at
      They might be really good at the practical side even if they don’t understand the road signs !

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    • Left_is_for_Losers
      December 4, 2023 at 10:42 am
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      essexian wrote:

      Should we really have to share the roads with someone who takes a test 60, that 60 times before passing???

      https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/dec/04/60th-time-lucky-learner-driver-breaks-uk-record-for-sitting-theory-test

      God knows how bad at actually driving they will be.

      Time for retests for all every five years. Its madness that I’ve not been retested in 38 years!

      — essexian

      Haha I saw that, the chances are that it was a fluke too that they passed, I mean after 60 attempts surely you’d sometime pass!

      When I was learning to drive, you were considered pretty dopey not to pass you’re theory test, and something only the stupidest person couldn’t do – and even they weren’t typically far off. 

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    • mitsky
      December 4, 2023 at 11:04 am
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      If someone fails the driving

      If someone fails the driving test that many times there is something very wrong with their standard of driving.
      Driving is a priviledge, not a right.
      Maybe there should be a law (the equivalent to points on licences) that says something like “Fail 3 times (in a row, presumably) and You have to wait 2 years to try again…”.
      The pass may have been a fluke.
      At the end of the day, do any sort of normal gambling for long enough and You’re almost certain to win at some point.

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      • Hirsute
        December 4, 2023 at 11:08 am
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        Theory test.
        Theory test.
        Maybe their basic comprehension is poor. Tells you nothing about their ability to drive.
        If they failed it due to hazard perception, that would be another matter.

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        • Patrick9-32
          December 4, 2023 at 11:10 am
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          Understanding how the roads

          Understanding how the roads work and comprehending signs and situations is a critical part of driving safely. There is a reason driving examiners don’t even get in the car with learners for the practical test until they have passed the theory test. 

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        • mitsky
          December 4, 2023 at 11:23 am
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          Either way, I still think

          Either way, I still think there should be a temporary pause before a learner can apply again.

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          • giff77
            December 4, 2023 at 6:45 pm
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            There is. Three days. 

            There is. Three days. 

        • Steve K
          December 4, 2023 at 12:16 pm
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          Hirsute wrote:

          Theory test. Maybe their basic comprehension is poor. Tells you nothing about their ability to drive. If they failed it due to hazard perception, that would be another matter.

          — Hirsute

          If you don’t understand what road signs mean, then that does have quite a big effect on your ability to drive safely.

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          • giff77
            December 4, 2023 at 6:56 pm
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            The understanding of signs

            The understanding of signs isn’t so much an issue as they are pretty much either order or warning with an image. I think the bigger issues kick in when you’re reading about the more detailed stuff then writing them down. I’ve a neighbour who has been banned with a retest required. He has no issue with signs and understanding them. He does have a challenge with the current theory test and will never regain his license. 
             

            Interestingly it was mainly the CTC and NCU who started to erect warning signs in the early days for other cyclists before the AA got in on the act. 

      • wycombewheeler
        December 4, 2023 at 12:15 pm
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        don’t allow retest withn 3

        don’t allow retest withn 3 months, obviously further training is required. At least this would keep these types off the road for 15 years, and maybe they’d realise they don’t need a car after all by then.

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        • mitsky
          December 4, 2023 at 1:16 pm
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          True.

          True.

          Or as has been said sporadically in the past, make learning to cycle on roads mandatory before learning to drive.
          Not just to (hopefully) make drivers safer around cyclists, but to show new learners that cycling is a viable alternative for some journeys and usually quicker during rush hour traffic.

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          • essexian
            December 4, 2023 at 1:47 pm
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            I fear to write this but…..

            I fear to write this but….. I feel passing a test to show you are a competent cyclist and then the same on a motor bike should be required before you can even start to learn to drive a car on the road (yes, of course there would need to be exceptions for disabled people).

            So….and here it comes, cyclists should be licenced…. if they want to become licenced to drive a car.

          • HoldingOn
            December 4, 2023 at 2:03 pm
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            essexian wrote:

            So….and here it comes, cyclists should be licenced…. if they want to become licenced to drive a car.

            — essexian

            Are you thinking that to get a driving licence, you must first get a cycle licence? If you never intend to drive a car, you don’t need a cycle licence?

            Other people have suggested mandatory cycling for drivers as part of their driving test, so I don’t think you have anything to fear from suggesting that.

          • essexian
            December 4, 2023 at 2:28 pm
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            HoldingOn wrote:

            So….and here it comes, cyclists should be licenced…. if they want to become licenced to drive a car.

            — HoldingOn

            Are you thinking that to get a driving licence, you must first get a cycle licence? If you never intend to drive a car, you don’t need a cycle licence?

            — essexian

            Yep. 

          • mitsky
            December 4, 2023 at 2:19 pm
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            Cycle licencing is an

            Cycle licencing is an absolute no-no.
            To bring that in would enhance some drivers’ mindset that all cyclists have to have a licence, pay “road tax”, get insurance etc.

            The point is to have learner drivers simply experience cycling conditions on the road to make them better drivers.
            (The additional benefits help of course.)

          • essexian
            December 4, 2023 at 2:30 pm
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            With the growth of Ebikes,

            With the growth of Ebikes, both legal and illegal, cycle licences are on the way whatever happens. 

            With regards to the other things you mention, I don’t actually see much of an issue with cyclists having insurance. Perhaps a £10 charge when the licence is applied for will cover the cyclist for 5 years until they have to renew their overall licence. 

          • Steve K
            December 4, 2023 at 3:01 pm
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            essexian wrote:

            With the growth of Ebikes, both legal and illegal, cycle licences are on the way whatever happens. 

            — essexian

            No they aren’t.

          • essexian
            December 5, 2023 at 7:57 am
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            Oh yes they are. 

            Oh yes they are. 

            My bet would be within five years. For ebikes to start and then on to the rest of us. 

            The Government will find a reason…. money making no doubt, to introduce them. 

          • Hirsute
            December 4, 2023 at 3:38 pm
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            Illegal vehicles on roads
            Illegal vehicles on roads should be dealt with by existing legislation.

            The costs of licensing are astronomical, so that’s not going to happen but using a bike as part passing a driving test could be brought in.

          • chrisonabike
            December 4, 2023 at 2:38 pm
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            mitsky wrote:

            Cycle licencing is an absolute no-no.

            — mitsky

            … I don’t know – you could start with a walking “licence” and work your way up?  IIRC at primary school lots of us did a RoSPA cycling proficiency training / test – not sure it was actually mandatory for anything but strongly encouraged.

            It’s routine in NL IIRC.

            To bring that in would enhance some drivers’ mindset that all cyclists have to have a licence, pay “road tax”, get insurance etc.

            The point is to have learner drivers simply experience cycling conditions on the road to make them better drivers.
            (The additional benefits help of course.)— mitsky

            If you’re trying to do that in the driving test you’re too late!

            I’m certainly not against a “refresher” then but the sensible (and fun!) way to do this is throughout childhood – so everyone gets a more balanced understanding of the transport modes they’ll use and encounter.  (Of course it doesn’t hurt if cycling to school is supported – and indeed encouraged – too.)

            I never visited one but I believe a few such facilities exist in the UK – albeit I’m not sure if they’re set up so you can “drive” and with formal instruction.

          • mitsky
            December 4, 2023 at 3:37 pm
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            Proficiency training is a

            Proficiency training is a great thing and should be done more widely, but no one could be stopped from cycling if they hadn’t actually done it…

            If actual testing and licencing are implemented, on the other hand…

          • chrisonabike
            December 4, 2023 at 3:48 pm
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            mitsky wrote:

            Proficiency training is a great thing and should be done more widely, but no one could be stopped from cycling if they hadn’t actually done it…

            If actual testing and licencing are implemented, on the other hand…

            — mitsky

            To get the complete picture it seems people can’t be stopped from driving if they haven’t done the test.  Even in some cases if they’ve been previously stopped for not having done it!

            I guess I was contrasting “cycling proficiency” (tending to be a “nice to have”, for a few) with normal basic education e.g. how to cross roads.  And the fact that if you do want to drive we demand a practical demonstration of competence which a large fraction of the population does indeed go through.

          • giff77
            December 4, 2023 at 7:02 pm
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            Growing up some of the

            Growing up some of the schools in my region required a Cycing Proficiency to bring the bike to school. Those of us in the sticks it wasn’t much of an issue as a bike was the fastest form of transport to get in. Our school did though encourage P6 & 7 to get it under their belt. 

    • Bungle_52
      December 4, 2023 at 1:22 pm
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      I’ve heard it said many times

      I’ve heard it said many times that if you failed your test once you turn out to be a better driver. This has been bourne out by experience over the years.

      Imagine how good this driver will be.

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  3. Left_is_for_Losers
    December 4, 2023 at 10:49 am
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    As all Englanders know…2C

    As all Englanders know…2C and wet is far, far colder than -24 in Norway! 

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    • essexian
      December 4, 2023 at 1:02 pm
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      In Norway, they build their

      In Norway, they build their homes to be able to handle the cold. In the UK, we build homes so home builders can make huge profits, part of which they donate to the Tory Party.

      In Norway, they have a fund paid for by their oil sales which helps the country as a whole afford the things required to manage a cold climate. In the UK, Mr Starmers best mate Mrs Thatcher sold off the UK oil production for a few quid so now we have thousands unable to pay their fuel bills/ heat their homes/afford to eat/drive on shit roads etc etc

      In Norway, they have a working relationship with the EU. In the UK, we told them to get stuffed and now are now towards the bottom of any growth list you care to look at. 

      Thus, in Tory UK, -2C is likely to kill you; whereas in Norway, its likely not to be much of an issue. 

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      • levestane
        December 4, 2023 at 1:20 pm
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        … but we are world leaders

        … but we are world leaders in tackling climate change.

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        • essexian
          December 4, 2023 at 1:26 pm
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          Yep. That gave me a good

          Yep. That gave me a good laugh this damp and cold morning as my Smart Meter reached £5 with half the day to go.

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      • Left_is_for_Losers
        December 4, 2023 at 2:13 pm
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        essexian wrote:

        In Norway, they build their homes to be able to handle the cold. In the UK, we build homes so home builders can make huge profits, part of which they donate to the Tory Party.

        In Norway, they have a fund paid for by their oil sales which helps the country as a whole afford the things required to manage a cold climate. In the UK, Mr Starmers best mate Mrs Thatcher sold off the UK oil production for a few quid so now we have thousands unable to pay their fuel bills/ heat their homes/afford to eat/drive on shit roads etc etc

        In Norway, they have a working relationship with the EU. In the UK, we told them to get stuffed and now are now towards the bottom of any growth list you care to look at. 

        Thus, in Tory UK, -2C is likely to kill you; whereas in Norway, its likely not to be much of an issue. 

        — essexian

        Thank you for your anti-tory diatribe. Good way to squeeze some politics in, well done. 

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        • essexian
          December 4, 2023 at 2:26 pm
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          Typical Tory. No answers to

          Typical Tory. No answers to the UK problems. 

          Be gone with you and take the rest of the right with you. 

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          • Left_is_for_Losers
            December 4, 2023 at 2:50 pm
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            essexian wrote:

            Typical Tory. No answers to the UK problems. 

            Be gone with you and take the rest of the right with you. 

            — essexian

            We know when we are speaking to the uneducated and uninitiated, so we save our time by not pointlessly debating with losers

          • perce
            December 4, 2023 at 2:55 pm
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            Have you done the decent

            Have you done the decent thing and married that milk bottle yet?

          • chrisonabike
            December 4, 2023 at 3:25 pm
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            Defend our traditions!  I

            Defend our traditions!  I would like to see the the fork publically named and shamed for having jilted the knife and eloped with the spoon.

          • Clem Fandango
            December 4, 2023 at 4:05 pm
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            STILL hasn’t been cancelled
            STILL hasn’t been cancelled either

          • essexian
            December 5, 2023 at 7:51 am
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            Oh dear. Still no answers.

            Oh dear. Still no answers.

            You sound so much like Mr Starmer… actually, Mr Starmer, is that you?

          • Left_is_for_Losers
            December 5, 2023 at 7:55 am
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            essexian wrote:

            Oh dear. Still no answers.

            You sound so much like Mr Starmer… actually, Mr Starmer, is that you?

            — essexian

            ? 

        • ROOTminus1
          December 4, 2023 at 3:32 pm
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          It’s not even a left v right
          It’s not even a left v right kind of politics issue. It’s just UKs systemic shortsightedness vs Nordic investing for the future

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          • Left_is_for_Losers
            December 4, 2023 at 4:09 pm
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            ROOTminus1 wrote:

            It’s not even a left v right kind of politics issue. It’s just UKs systemic shortsightedness vs Nordic investing for the future

            — ROOTminus1

            Good job Rishi approved the new O&G licences for the North Sea then

          • ROOTminus1
            December 5, 2023 at 12:35 am
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            Left_is_for_Losers wrote:

            It’s not even a left v right kind of politics issue. It’s just UKs systemic shortsightedness vs Nordic investing for the future

            — Left_is_for_Losers

            Good job Rishi approved the new O&G licences for the North Sea then— ROOTminus1

            In a better world, sure, it could be a good thing. But this is Britain, and our “leaders” from either side of house can’t balance the books, keep a promise, nor contract out any project effectively.
            The only way a gov’t project doesn’t go overdue or over budget, is because it got cancelled after a significant portion of costs has already gone into some chum’s back pocket

      • Gimpl
        December 4, 2023 at 5:27 pm
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        essexian wrote:

        In Norway, they build their homes to be able to handle the cold. In the UK, we build homes so home builders can make huge profits, part of which they donate to the Tory Party.

        In Norway, they have a fund paid for by their oil sales which helps the country as a whole afford the things required to manage a cold climate. In the UK, Mr Starmers best mate Mrs Thatcher sold off the UK oil production for a few quid so now we have thousands unable to pay their fuel bills/ heat their homes/afford to eat/drive on shit roads etc etc

        In Norway, they have a working relationship with the EU. In the UK, we told them to get stuffed and now are now towards the bottom of any growth list you care to look at. 

        Thus, in Tory UK, -2C is likely to kill you; whereas in Norway, its likely not to be much of an issue. 

        — essexian

        In Norway they pay taxes so eye wateringly high it makes your goolies shrink inside without the cold. 

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        • essexian
          December 5, 2023 at 7:55 am
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          Have you seen the tax rates

          Have you seen the tax rates in the UK…

          https://obr.uk/box/the-uks-tax-burden-in-historical-and-international-context/
          https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/brits-face-biggest-tax-burden-since-world-war-two-budget/
          https://ifs.org.uk/articles/will-be-biggest-tax-raising-parliament-record

          And what have we got to show for it…. record waiting lists for NHS treatment, roads which look like the IDF have visisted, school falling down around childrens ears, the rich getting richer and richer….

           

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      • Brauchsel
        December 4, 2023 at 10:02 pm
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        “In Norway, they build their

        “In Norway, they build their homes to be able to handle the cold. In the UK, we ” … generally don’t have the extremes of cold that would make building houses designed for -24 a good use of resources. This is a bit like the drivers looking to Canada or Russia, then complaining that the UK doesn’t have an army of snowploughs sitting idle for 360+ days of most years. 

        Also, I’m sitting in my 7-year-old flat and haven’t yet needed to put the heating on despite it being freezing most of the last few days. Whatever else is wrong with newbuilds, adequate insulation isn’t a problem in the many I’ve been in over the last decade. 

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      • mattw
        December 5, 2023 at 9:10 am
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        In Norway the oil sales used

        In Norway the oil sales used to pay for the world’s most complete fleet of electric cars causes many more emissions than saved by the fleet of electric cars.

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  4. Steve K
    December 4, 2023 at 12:51 pm
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    As I got my first cargo bike

    As I got my first cargo bike this summer, I was really looking forward to picking up the Christmas tree on it.  And then Mrs K arranged for it to be delivered without speaking to me!

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  5. Paul J
    December 4, 2023 at 1:23 pm
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    Have to say, I like riding in
    Have to say, I like riding in the cold, -5. As long as it’s dry – and has been dry (no ice on roads). It forces you to ride more slowly, cause you can’t really afford to sweat (least not until you’re certain of being at your destination soon, regardless). The air is nice and crisp. The pace is easy-steady. It’s really nice base miles.

    Just make sure to have enough layers, and good protection for the feet and hands, and lovely.

    Much better than rain!

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  6. brooksby
    December 4, 2023 at 1:56 pm
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    Why is the Westminster Bridge

    Why is the Westminster Bridge cycle lane so bad?  Is it poor signage in general or  particularly ignorant tourists?

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    • HoldingOn
      December 4, 2023 at 2:11 pm
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      I would be interested to know

      I would be interested to know that too, but also – I don’t fully understand these “Lime bikes” (I am not London based and have only ever been there once)

      There were two in the other video, parked on the path with no one around. Can you just stop cycling anywhere and walk away from them? (assuming you leave them where they aren’t causing an obstruction) If you don’t need to leave them in designated spaces, how do you find one to use? Is it pot luck? Are there organised hunting parties that scour the streets hoping to spot a Lime bike for hire?

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      • mitsky
        December 4, 2023 at 2:20 pm
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        I’ve not used them myself,

        I’ve not used them myself, but it is app based.
        The app tells You where the nearest one is, lets You unlock it for a fee and when You’re done You get the app to “lock” the bike.

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    • OldRidgeback
      December 4, 2023 at 2:25 pm
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      Pedestrians, not just

      Pedestrians, not just tourists, step into it in front of you without looking. Cycling there means you have to have your wits about you. My wife could go that way but uses the next bridge, Lambeth Bridge, along for her commute instead.

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    • Adam Sutton
      December 4, 2023 at 2:52 pm
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      Tourist trap most likely, for

      Tourist trap most likely, for the houses of parliament. They were in the bus lane too, bloke selling balloons and then the notorious ice cream truck.

      Not cycled Westminster bridge, but in my experience the other bridges like Waterloo are not like this.

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    • Steve K
      December 4, 2023 at 2:59 pm
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      brooksby wrote:

      Why is the Westminster Bridge cycle lane so bad?  Is it poor signage in general or  particularly ignorant tourists?

      — brooksby

      Northbound (which isn’t actually North, but that’s how I think of it – towards the Houses of Parliament, anyway) is ok generally.  But the other way is a nightmare.  That side of the bridge has various stalls and tourist stuff on it, so lots of tourist hanging around rather than just walking.  Plus the lane is single direction and single file, with (ironically) very good segregation – which means there is nowhere to go if someone steps into it.  And, of course, there is a self-fulfilling bit about it.  Cyclists know it’s rubbish, so use the bus lane instead; so pedestrians see it empty and step into it.

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      • Dnnnnnn
        December 4, 2023 at 4:41 pm
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        brooksby wrote:

         Northbound … is ok generally.  But the other way is a nightmare.  That side of the bridge has various stalls and tourist stuff on it, so lots of tourist hanging around rather than just walking.  Plus the lane is single direction and single file

        — brooksby

        Exactly this. It’s striking how much worse the southbound side is – much more so than the actual infra would lead you to expect.

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    • Rendel Harris
      December 4, 2023 at 3:14 pm
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      brooksby wrote:

      Why is the Westminster Bridge cycle lane so bad?  Is it poor signage in general or  particularly ignorant tourists?

      — brooksby

      It’s mainly tourists, that’s by no means at its worst, in the summer it is absolutely jammed with them. It’s absolutely infuriating when there’s such a simple solution, all they have to do is move the bollards from the outside of the cycle lane to the inside and put a line of chains between them. Cyclists would still be protected from the road by the raised kerb and the tourists would still be protected from any potential terrorist car attack by the bollards. I’ve written to every authority I can think of suggesting it but all I’ve ever received is “we are aware that there is a problem” replies.

      Usually avoid it like the plague, I rode up it in February, not to be provocative (before certain trolls jump on me for it), just to get a video to show the authorities the extent of the problem: https://twitter.com/Rendel_Harris/status/1625201075249721344

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    • OnYerBike
      December 4, 2023 at 3:59 pm
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      The bridge is very busy with

      The bridge is very busy with pedestrians, particularly tourists, given its central location near key attractions. As such, it gets quite congested – not helped by tourists stopping to take photos or selfies or the assorted vendors and grifters who take up space and attract a crowd. Those pedestrians then tend to spill out into the cycle lane to get past each other (often without looking), and feel comfortable doing so given the space is protected from motor traffic by the large kerb and bollards. It is also not especially busy with cyclists – as per the above video, most knowledgeable cyclists don’t bother with the lane. This creates a self-reinforcing situation (pedestrians use cycle lane –> cyclists don’t use cycle lane –> pedestrians more likely to use cycle lane).

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  7. Hirsute
    December 4, 2023 at 3:42 pm
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    I’ve found some footage of
    I’ve found some footage of the theory test which shows the difficulty.
    https://youtu.be/2MrrzatTGcE?si=nWLfcssj59Kay0uR

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  8. mitsky
    December 4, 2023 at 5:08 pm
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    And in other news… it takes

    And in other news… it takes getting to 29 points on your licence for the “exceptional hardship” claim to no longer work…

    “Bianca Williams banned from driving with 29 penalty points”
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-67613292

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    • Hirsute
      December 4, 2023 at 5:42 pm
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      I added that one to “drivers

      I added that one to “drivers and their problems” thread.

      Not sure exactly where the ‘central London athletics track’ is but anything in central london is quicker by bike and it could be part of her training !

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    • giff77
      December 4, 2023 at 7:12 pm
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      That’s nothing. There’s a

      That’s nothing. There’s a bloke out there with 68 and still driving with 6 others on 50 plus. 

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      • mitsky
        December 5, 2023 at 8:52 am
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        Wow.

        Wow.
        I wonder how any car insurance company justifies covering them.
        It could be that the drivers are simply rich enough to pay whatever it is.
        Or maybe, if they can’t get insurance then they’d be driving illegaly.

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    • mattw
      December 5, 2023 at 9:18 am
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      That seems distrubingly

      That seems distrubingly similar to the “try and deceive the police, try and deceive the Court, then deceive yourself to avoid having to take responsibilty” standard operating procedure.

      Bianca Williams lives in Maida Vale.

      In recent years millions have been invested in the early morning to late night floodlight athletics track at Paddington Recreation Ground, which is a few minutes’ walk away.

      There’s even a gym and fitness studion on sight.

      https://www.everyoneactive.com/centre/paddington-recreation-ground/

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  9. mattw
    December 5, 2023 at 8:56 am
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    Donation made to support the

    Donation made to support the Transport Action Network case – I encourage others to do the smae, if you are able.

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Chris RideFar 8 minutes ago

This is the case for many pieces of cycling infrastructure IME - they are not actually that safe or at least not safer than riding on the road with the other traffic, often due to poor design. However, they make many inexperienced people FEEL much safer, and that is apparently more important than reality. Fortunately, just getting more people on bikes does make cycling safer for everyone who is cycling, and this seems to have worked in this case. Therefore, in a very roundabout way, having this infrastructure in place does increase overall safety. Of course, it would be even better if the infrastructure was done right / intelligently and did directly improve safety, but we can't have everything. Small steps.

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wtjs 10 minutes ago

In other words, they aren’t interested in preventative policing In other, other words: Get yourself KSI'd and we'll see what we can do Disclaimer: ...unless any motorist objects on the grounds of 'war against the motorist', or the cyclist swears while being hit etc. etc.

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