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Driver did well to stop and check on him, but not the most sympathetic treatment of the bike! 

"Upended of Tunbridge Wells" - looks unpleasant but good response by driver!

Glad he is recovering, but why didn't he see the pothole?

Usual claims of helmet saving his life.

brooksby wrote:

https://metro.co.uk/2023/05/25/jeremy-vine-called-terrible-person-by-bus...

"very provoking human beings" - so: is that a new version of bl00dy cyclists?

The cognitive dissonance is amazing with this kind of drivist.

They use their horn to tell a cyclist that they obviously know better than the cyclist how to cycle, and when the cyclist is puzzled and asks as to the meaning of the horn, they accuse the cyclist of being provocative. Why don't they just follow at a safe distance or overtake when safe - there's literally no benefit in using their horn to indicate some disagreement and it's probably not even legal.

I'd embrace the opportunity. Someone's taking time out of their busy life / working day to engage in some discussion of the appropriate use of the road - what's not to like? And a "friendly toot" also!

Devil's advocate here, but it's possible the driver was correct about some issue and was genuinely horning correctly (to let Vine know they were there). (I know...) How's that different from if the roles were reversed?

chrisonatrike wrote:

I'd embrace the opportunity. Someone's taking time out of their busy life / working day to engage in some discussion of the appropriate use of the road - what's not to like? And a "friendly toot" also! Devil's advocate here, but it's possible the driver was correct about some issue and was genuinely horning correctly (to let Vine know they were there). (I know...) How's that different from if the roles were reversed?

We're back in the territory of needing two different horns. One for the official use of warning other road users of your presence (seems unnecessary if you're in a big bus just following another road user) and maybe a softer sound (tambourine?) to indicate that you'd like a friendly discussion with someone or you've seen a friend walking along the pavement etc.

It's technically possible for a driver to use their horn to get the attention of a cyclist to then impart some sage advice, but it seems about as likely as Rishi using public transport to go visit his millionaire buddies.

hawkinspeter wrote:

....and maybe a softer sound (tambourine?) to indicate that you'd like a friendly discussion with someone or you've seen a friend walking along the pavement etc.

A tambourine is a bit harsh - more of a noise. Possibly some kind of metallic tuned idiophone though? Hmm...

I've been toying with the idea of putting a Fiamm Tour Horn as an additional horn in my van for greeting purposes. 

Would the Orthodox position be to use a shofar?

chrisonatrike wrote:

A tambourine is a bit harsh - more of a noise. Possibly some kind of metallic tuned idiophone though? Hmm...

Now that Rolf Harris has passed away, maybe it's time for a resurgence of the Stylophone?

Thank goodness! Thought that was going to be "my other horn is a didgeridoo".

chrisonatrike wrote:

Thank goodness! Thought that was going to be "my other horn is a didgeridoo".

I once saw a busker playing Dancing Queen on a didgeridoo.

I thought that's aboriginal

I always thought a short "toot" of the horn was a "thanks/take care" and a double toot being "hello my friend"
a longer "blast" of the horn was "watch out for my death machine"

I would say the bus does a short "toot" - so not aggressive, but then the driver doesn't help by refusing to talk with Mr Vine. They may have been taken aback by the cameras (I think he uses several?) but "you know what you did" isn't helpful - clearly he doesn't or he wouldn't, politely, ask.

I don't think he comes off as rude or aggressive. If the driver felt threatened in any way, they could simply close their window. They are in a box designed to protect them, after all.

hawkinspeter wrote:

We're back in the territory of needing two different horns...

So that presents a dilemma of the horns.

hawkinspeter wrote:

but it seems about as likely as Rishi using public transport to go visit his millionaire buddies.

According to Conservative HQ, helicopters are public transport.

French buses have a bell.

Seriously, watch this. This is probably the channel's second best video!

 would be a good usage for all the cranks left in circulation.

Legin wrote:

• Was it an obvious attempt at cheating: no.

It was a team car giving the rider a short tow to get him back to the group after he'd picked up a bottle.

Which is, um, obviously cheating.

Rendel Harris wrote:

Legin wrote:

• Was it an obvious attempt at cheating: no.

It was a team car giving the rider a short tow to get him back to the group after he'd picked up a bottle.

Which is, um, obviously cheating.

As you wish.....

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No, no - as the LAWS wish.

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No need to personalise things.

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Did it give him some huge advantage over others; yes, none of them got pulled along completely free of effort for 5 seconds.
Was it an obvious attempt at cheating: yes.
Did it affect the outcome of the race: Impossible to know for sure butits possible.