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“Poor countries like the Netherlands, Belgium, Germany?”: Chris Boardman leads the way as cyclists school David Frost on claim rich countries don’t use bikes; Irn-Bru paint job steals the show ahead of World Championships + more on the live blog

Join Dan Alexander for Wednesday’s live blog round-up of everything worth knowing in the cycling world… plus the usual flood of less important stuff, of course
  • by Dan Alexander
Wed, Aug 02, 2023 08:18
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  • Tech news: Details of the new Specialized Tarmac SL8 leaked; Money-no-object upgrades to create the ultimate featherweight bike; Demi Vollering's Tour de France-winning SL7
  • Irn-Bru paint job steals the show ahead of World Championships
  • LEJOAP: Retired vicar takes on Land's End to John O'Groats for fourth time
  • Potholes, road rash, stray dogs, bee stings, cracked rim... Transcontinental suffering
  • Biniam Girmay reportedly refused UK visa, as Eritrean star pulls out of Glasgow world championships citing injury
  • "Sad!": Biniam Girmay's Eritream teammate comments on visa denial reports
  • Sausage roll power
  • Police Service of Northern Ireland spend nearly £50,000 on bike repairs over the past five years
  • Alpecin-Deceuninck notified of alleged anti-doping violation concerning Robert Stannard
  • New 'protected' contraflow cycle lane opens on one-way road – and drivers immediately begin parking in it and crashing into bollards
  • "Locals anywhere else in the world would relish stopping to watch it": More reaction to World Championship road closures going down predictably well
  • A Frosty response that conveniently avoids mention of bikes
  • "Poor countries like the Netherlands, Belgium, Germany?": Chris Boardman leads the way as cyclists school David Frost on claim rich countries don't use bikes
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2 August 2023, 08:18

Tech news: Details of the new Specialized Tarmac SL8 leaked; Money-no-object upgrades to create the ultimate featherweight bike; Demi Vollering's Tour de France-winning SL7

Loads of cool stuff up on the site at the minute from our tech team… 

2023 Specialized Tarmac SL8 leak - 1
2023 Specialized Tarmac SL8 leak - 1 (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)
2023 Specialized Tarmac SL8 leak - 1
2023 Specialized Tarmac SL8 leak – 1 (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)

> Specialized Tarmac SL8: leaked details of “the world’s fastest race bike” appear online

The tip over to August means hill-climbing season is just around the corner, if you’ve found a winning lottery ticket down the back of the sofa here’s what you could do to make the ultimate featherweight bike…

2023 lightest bike components
2023 lightest bike components (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)
2023 lightest bike components
2023 lightest bike components (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)

> The lightest road bike frames and components in the world — money-no-object upgrades to create the ultimate featherweight bike

And before we get all the weight and watt-saving claims from Spesh about the new SL8 it’s worth remembering the SL7 is still doing alright… and by alright I mean being ridden to Tour de France victory by Demi Vollering…

2023 Tour de France Femmes Avec Zwift Demi Vollering A.S.O.-Thomas Maheux - 1 (5)
2023 Tour de France Femmes Avec Zwift Demi Vollering A.S.O (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)
2023 Tour de France Femmes Avec Zwift Demi Vollering A.S.O.-Thomas Maheux - 1 (5)
2023 Tour de France Femmes Avec Zwift Demi Vollering A.S.O (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)

> Check out the Specialized S-Works Tarmac SL7 that Demi Vollering rode to Tour de France Femmes victory

2 August 2023, 08:18

Irn-Bru paint job steals the show ahead of World Championships

 
 
 
 
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10/10 for this paint job from Fatcreations near Chichester, ready to be used by Aimi Kenyon up in Scotland at the World Championships…

 
 
 
 
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2 August 2023, 08:18

LEJOAP: Retired vicar takes on Land's End to John O'Groats for fourth time

Full credit to Jo for the headline, superb stuff, and a proper feel-good news story for your Wednesday…

This August, 90 year old retired vicar Peter Langford is taking on the challenge of cycling from Lands End to John O’Groats to raise money for the homeless.

To support his journey, please listen to his story, share this video and donate what you can https://t.co/zID5Lp85Ql🧡 pic.twitter.com/mdat3JtNgx

— Access Community Trust (@access_ourwork) July 26, 2023

Peter Langford, an 89-year-old retired vicar from Suffolk is hoping to become the oldest man to cycle the famous 1,100-mile route. It will be his fourth time, having completed the challenge aged 75, 80 and 85, and he’ll be raising money for two homelessness charities along the way…

“I’m getting more confident that I will actually be able to manage it,” he told the BBC. “Devon and Cornwall are far, far, the hardest part of the whole route — much harder than Scotland — because the hills are so steep and you get them over and over again.

“‘I’ve been doing about 120 miles a week but recently I thought I should do a few long rides together. Last week I did 50 miles on Monday and 50 miles on Tuesday and I felt perfectly alright afterwards.”

Mr Langford will set off on 22 August, four days after his 90th birthday, hoping to finish a month later on 21 September.

“You achieve these things in your head — more than with your knees and if you’re darned determined.”

2 August 2023, 08:18

Potholes, road rash, stray dogs, bee stings, cracked rim... Transcontinental suffering

 
 
 
 
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A post shared by Jesko (@jesko_werthern)

Yesterday Christoph Strasser finished Transcontinental first having spent just 34 hours off his bike in nine days. Further back and this is the reality for the other riders, Jesko Werthern penning these words on his suffering…

Oh Albania, your roads might be the worst I’ve ever seen, but your people are ever so great. Every time I’ve done it, there was a point in the Transcontinental where I felt like the race was trying to break me. If you’re stubborn enough to push through that point, you get rewarded. Today might have been that day.

The alarm goes and I cannot walk. The road rash burns like fire and makes me literally limp onto the bike after taking a painkiller and waiting another half hour. Pedalling works, most Albanian dogs are sleepy or scared, only a big one seriously chases me. In a small village the road bends downwards, a little girl waves at me from over a wall, I wave back and see the big bump in the road too late.

A badly timed bunny hop attempt, an audible crack, I look down and can immediately see that the wobble has increased. As long as it’s rolling, no excuse to stop. Sketchy bridge just before CP3, bee sting, eggs with rice and onto the parcour. One happy rider found a backpack full of food.

A TCR off-road parcour is never easy, but doing that nursing a cracked rim, two seeing wounds, with barely functioning hands, while the thermometer shows 44 degrees (38 in the shadow, only there is not much shadow) and you get an experience that is definitely up there with the most insane things I’ve done.

It’s all relative though. I meet a rider that has been walking for 41 kilometres with a failed tubeless system and Sara did the whole thing without food, because she lost her backpack… Maybe I didn’t have such a bad day after all. 

2 August 2023, 08:18

Biniam Girmay reportedly refused UK visa, as Eritrean star pulls out of Glasgow world championships citing injury

Biniam Girmay winces on the Giro podium (Zac Williams/SWpix.com)
SWpix (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)
Biniam Girmay winces on the Giro podium (Zac Williams/SWpix.com)
SWpix (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)

> Biniam Girmay reportedly refused UK visa, as Eritrean star pulls out of Glasgow world championships citing injury

2 August 2023, 08:18

"Sad!": Biniam Girmay's Eritream teammate comments on visa denial reports

Intermarche-Circus-Wanty's Biniam Girmaye on a TT bike (Zac Williams/SWpix)
SWpix) (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)
Intermarche-Circus-Wanty's Biniam Girmaye on a TT bike (Zac Williams/SWpix)
SWpix) (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)

> Biniam Girmay reportedly refused UK visa, as Eritrean star pulls out of Glasgow world championships citing injury

We’re awaiting a comment from the Home Office about the big story of the day ahead of the World Championships. Merhawi Kudus simply wrote: “Sad!” in reply to the rumours. 

Hopefully more info on this one soon…

2 August 2023, 08:18

Sausage roll power

Looks like @petosagan‘s bus & a Slovak National Cycling Team van have stopped for a @GreggsOfficial on the way to @CyclingWorlds

(cc @Trudgin) pic.twitter.com/b1JcJyZZkP

— James Lucas (@RabAusten) August 2, 2023

2 August 2023, 08:18

Police Service of Northern Ireland spend nearly £50,000 on bike repairs over the past five years

The Derry Journal reports that Northern Ireland’s police service spent nearly £50,000 on bike repairs in the past five years.

£47,048.99 was the exact figure between 1 April 2018 and 16 May 2023, with the cost of bike repairs for non-electric bikes during the same period at £33,737, while for e-bikes it was £13,311.99.

The figures were revealed following a Freedom of Information request.

2 August 2023, 08:18

Alpecin-Deceuninck notified of alleged anti-doping violation concerning Robert Stannard

 
 
 
 
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Australian rider Rob Stannard, who twice finished in the top ten of stages at this year’s Criterium du Dauphiné, has been provisionally suspended after his Alpecin-Deceuninck team was notified of an alleged ‘Anti-Doping Rule Violation’ dating back to 2018 and 2019.

There will be questions about how it has taken so long to come to light, but the team says it “respects the decision” made by the UCI and noted the violation came well before Stannard joined the team.

“We respect the decision of the UCI and will conform to this. In the meanwhile, we will further inform us with the rider, his management, and the UCI,” a team statement said. “Alpecin-Deceuninck will not be commenting further until we have full clarification from the three parties mentioned above.”

2 August 2023, 08:18

New 'protected' contraflow cycle lane opens on one-way road – and drivers immediately begin parking in it and crashing into bollards

Drivers parking in Duke Street cycle lane, Darlington (Mike McTimoney, Twitter)
Drivers parking in Duke Street cycle lane, Darlington (Mike McTimoney, Twitter) (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)
Drivers parking in Duke Street cycle lane, Darlington (Mike McTimoney, Twitter)
Drivers parking in Duke Street cycle lane, Darlington (Mike McTimoney, Twitter) (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)

> New ‘protected’ contraflow cycle lane opens on one-way road – and drivers immediately begin parking in it and crashing into bollards

2 August 2023, 08:18

"Locals anywhere else in the world would relish stopping to watch it": More reaction to World Championship road closures going down predictably well

UCI Cycling World Championships Gran Fondo
UCI Cycling World Championships Gran Fondo (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)
UCI Cycling World Championships Gran Fondo
UCI Cycling World Championships Gran Fondo (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)

Thought I’d round up some of the almost 200 comments we’ve got across Facebook and the website about this story…

> Locals slam “disgrace” of “100-mile diversion” to cross town during UCI Cycling World Championships Gran Fondo

Kevin ‘Herbie’ Blackburn: “Locals anywhere else in the world would relish stopping to watch it.”

Susanne Reid: “Really ashamed to be a Scottish person at the moment. Scotland depends on tourism yet when it inconveniences wee Jimmy for a couple of hours locals are up in arms.”

Ollie Craig: “Better headline: Local car owners who have their roads subsidized and use them for free 355 days a year whinge about momentary disruption on a single day so that other people can use the road.”

Kris Jackson: “The town that takes about 15 minutes to walk from one end to another, I’m sure they’ll survive.”

2 August 2023, 08:18

A Frosty response that conveniently avoids mention of bikes

Well, you just shifted your argument, because your first point (which in no way drew the distinction you now make) was annihilated. Regardless of that, wouldn’t it be preferable to have good public transport outside of cities? Other countries do. Rich ones.

— Ned Boulting 🏳️‍⚧️ (@nedboulting) August 1, 2023

Happy Wednesday, everyone… 

2 August 2023, 08:18

"Poor countries like the Netherlands, Belgium, Germany?": Chris Boardman leads the way as cyclists school David Frost on claim rich countries don't use bikes

David Frost, eh? That’s a name I’d gone without hearing for a glorious forgetful spell, until now… Boris Johnson’s former chief negotiator for exiting the European Union, who later served in the same PM’s cabinet in a role created just for him (that was abolished on his departure) has today got more than a few people questioning if he’s ever even travelled to the continent he was negotiating our exit from…

It’s not a ‘problem’, it’s a good thing.

In poorer countries people depend on public transport & bikes. When they get richer they want cars because they bring freedom.

Public transport will *never* be good enough for a free people to move around on. https://t.co/4dtYH0iMjW

— David Frost (@DavidGHFrost) August 1, 2023

Who’s going to tell him? Time for the ‘Cycling Avengers’ to assemble…

Poor countries like Holland, Denmark, Germany….?
This looks like freedom to me. https://t.co/0dUZVXcYqY pic.twitter.com/qTwMyImMtu

— Chris Boardman (@Chris_Boardman) August 1, 2023

ITV commentator and cycling journalist Ned Boulting reckons: “Of course, as is quite often the case I fear, the truth is almost the perfect opposite of what you claim.”

While CyclingMikey was keen to share the view from the Netherlands on Frost’s comment: “I’m from the Netherlands, Frostie, and we’re doing rather a lot better than the UK thanks. Part of that is because we don’t waste as much on cars.”

Jon Burke, fresh from schooling Nick Ferrari about LTNs live on LBC, was keen for some more…

Embarrassing.https://t.co/IfwVuo6n19

— Jon Burke 🌎 (@jonburkeUK) August 1, 2023

If you truly believe this I suggest you take a gander at most of Europe where they are making massive changes to their transport systems to pull people out of car dependency.

I’m sure this is because they’re poor though. 😄

— Jon (@Jontafkasi) August 1, 2023

In fact, such was the response to Frost’s thoughts, he got replies from people in… *deep breath*… the Netherlands, Barcelona, Ireland, Armenia, Switzerland, Sweden, Czech Republic, Germany all united in replies calling ‘rubbish’… 

When you were Ambassador in wealthy Denmark did you venture out of your Embassy? 🚴‍♂️

— Nicholas Davies (@MrMiniHolland) August 1, 2023

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Dan was the road.cc news editor from 2022-2026. He joined in 2020 having previously written about nearly every other sport under the sun for the Express, and the weird and wonderful world of non-league football for The Non-League Paper. Dan mainly wrote news and tech articles as well as the occasional feature. He hopefully kept you entertained on the live blog too. Never fast enough to take things on the bike too seriously, you’ll find him exploring the south of England by two wheels at a leisurely weekend pace, or enjoying his favourite Scottish roads when visiting family. Sometimes he’ll even load up the bags and ride up the whole way, he’s a bit strange like that.  

68 Comments

68 thoughts on ““Poor countries like the Netherlands, Belgium, Germany?”: Chris Boardman leads the way as cyclists school David Frost on claim rich countries don’t use bikes; Irn-Bru paint job steals the show ahead of World Championships + more on the live blog”

  1. Miller
    August 2, 2023 at 9:19 am
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    Frost is thick as mince but
    Frost is thick as mince but just one of many Tory brexiters who looked like absolute fools across the table from well briefed EU negotiators.

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    • brooksby
      August 2, 2023 at 9:54 am
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      Miller wrote:

      Frost is thick as mince but just one of many Tory brexiters who looked like absolute fools across the table from well briefed EU negotiators.

      — Miller

      Like, IIRC, David Davies who turned up to Brexit negotiations without any files or paperwork cos he just knew he was on the side of right…

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  2. eburtthebike
    August 2, 2023 at 9:31 am
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    David Frost, Rishi Sunak and

    David Frost, Rishi Sunak and Mark Harper are just three of the out-of-touch tories who think that they are going to win the next election by getting drivers to vote for them, all because they narrowly won Ruislip on a single issue.

    Deluded: but then, that is one definition of a tory.

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  3. levestane
    August 2, 2023 at 9:51 am
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    There does seem to be an

    There does seem to be an increasing amount of using the Trumpian approach; don’t let facts stand in the way of a good sound bite.

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    • chrisonabike
      August 2, 2023 at 10:12 am
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      Been a trend for years now.

      Been a trend for years now.

      Politics is about what works.  Trump turned up and wowed lots of people like the pied piper and using a style which was hardly unknown but that he’d taken much further than others at that time in the US.  No-one could ignore that.

      Doesn’t mean demagogues will always succeed but politicians are always going to copy “what works”.  Like Blair with Thatcher, Cameron with Blair, lots of folks over here with the partisan brawler style (as modelled by e.g. Trump) and recently Starmer chasing after Sunak when it looked like “too much, too soon” for the some of the electorate over ULEZ / LTNs.

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    • hawkinspeter
      August 2, 2023 at 10:14 am
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      levestane wrote:

      There does seem to be an increasing amount of using the Trumpian approach; don’t let facts stand in the way of a good sound bite.

      — levestane

      I can’t recall any decent sound bites coming from Trump unless you mean things like ‘covfefe’ or ‘bigly’ – he always sounds like a blustering idiot.

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  4. chrisonabike
    August 2, 2023 at 10:00 am
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    David Frost wrote:

    I am getting a lot of replies to this tweet from people who seem to think pointing out public transport works well in inner cities (obviously true, for certain purposes) means it works well everywhere (obviously not true). Possibly my correspondents never leave inner London?

    — David Frost

    “Politics”, right?  (“Trolling” but much higher status and better paid).  Like other provocations this would ideally just be ignored.  Especially noting how he swivelled away from bikes to public transport.

    Of course it’s wrong-headed several ways.

    Why is being car-dependent a good thing anywhere?  In other places people have both improved public transport and tamed the car (and added bikes…).  Millions in several countries have found that in fact works for them and – while they still own cars – they now rarely use them.  Why should “freedom” (convenience) through motoring – but then being entirely reliant on our expensive, damaging exoskeletons – be a goal?

    (“It’s progress!  More freedom!”  Or is it just following high-status role models and indulging in prestige consumption – like a rapper swigging Cognac?)

    (Don’t mention Brexit…) It’s slightly odd that Frost should celebrate the potential of jam at some unspecified date in the future in one area of his public life but then be quick to point out that public transport *right now* is poor – so ergo the concept is rubbish.

    Public transport is better or worse, more or less convenient.  Under no imaginable scheme will people stop driving tomorrow, or in a year’s time, or a decade.  However just like lots of other places what we can do is stop moving towards “ever closer union” with the car.  To stop being such a transport monoculture.

    Yes – naturally the “easy” places (“inner London”, nice dig…) will progress faster and go further.  That doesn’t stop a bus every hour (as opposed to twice a day) to some remote spot being useful, or adding a footway (or better – a cycle path which of course people can walk on) along a road between two villages a mile or so apart.

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    • ktache
      August 2, 2023 at 10:17 am
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      I may get soaking wet on the

      I may get soaking wet on the way home tonight, but I will still be far happier on my bicycle than if I was being driven in a car.

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      • perce
        August 2, 2023 at 10:22 am
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        There’s only one thing worse

        There’s only one thing worse than riding a bike in the rain and that’s not riding a bike in the rain.

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        • Rendel Harris
          August 2, 2023 at 11:59 am
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          perce wrote:

          There’s only one thing worse than riding a bike in the rain and that’s not riding a bike in the rain.

          — perce

          Worst day of riding beats the best day of driving…

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          • perce
            August 2, 2023 at 12:02 pm
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            Exactly.

            Exactly.

          • Left_is_for_Losers
            August 3, 2023 at 7:19 am
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            Rendel Harris wrote:

            There’s only one thing worse than riding a bike in the rain and that’s not riding a bike in the rain.

            — Rendel Harris

            Worst day of riding beats the best day of driving…

            — perce

            You’ve clearly never been in an Ariel Atom then (or any supercar/race car for that matter)

          • perce
            August 3, 2023 at 8:07 am
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            Don’t include me in your

            Don’t include me in your weird obsession you strange little troll.

          • Rendel Harris
            August 3, 2023 at 8:13 am
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            Ledner_Sirrah wrote:

            There’s only one thing worse than riding a bike in the rain and that’s not riding a bike in the rain.

            — Ledner_Sirrah

            Worst day of riding beats the best day of driving…

            — Rendel Harris

            You’ve clearly never been in an Ariel Atom then (or any supercar/race car for that matter)

            — perce

            You’ve clearly never ridden down a 25km clear 80kmh descent in the alps on a spring morning then.

            Is a Porsche Boxter a supercar? I’ve been in one of them at 140mph (as a passenger on the autobahn), meh. About as exciting as being in a plane taking off, i.e. mildly diverting. If you offered me one of them (that I wasn’t allowed to sell to buy bikes with) or an S-Works Tarmac I’d take the bike, no question.

             

          • Left_is_for_Losers
            August 3, 2023 at 8:06 am
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            Rendel Harris wrote:

            There’s only one thing worse than riding a bike in the rain and that’s not riding a bike in the rain.

            — Rendel Harris

            Worst day of riding beats the best day of driving…

            — Ledner_Sirrah

            You’ve clearly never been in an Ariel Atom then (or any supercar/race car for that matter)

            — Rendel Harris

            You’ve clearly never ridden down a 25km clear 80kmh descent in the alps on a spring morning.

            — perce

            That’s not untrue. But I wouldn’t say that the worst day of riding is not better than a day spend cruising around Goodwood in an Ariel Atom on a sunny afternoon. 

          • Rendel Harris
            August 3, 2023 at 8:28 am
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            Ledner_Sirrah wrote:

            That’s not untrue. But I wouldn’t say that the worst day of riding is not better than a day spend cruising around Goodwood in an Ariel Atom on a sunny afternoon. 

            — Ledner_Sirrah

            I think it was fairly obvious we were talking about on road situations. Yes, I’ll concede that if I were allowed a go in Lewis Hamilton’s Mercedes around Monaco it might be more fun than cycling to Sainsbury’s in the rain for washing powder. Happy now?

            Just noticed your username, jolly clever! Is this thisismyusername back again after being banned as Rendel Harriz? Honestly, I know I spend too much time on here but if I went to the lengths some of you guys go to just to pointlessly troll the site I’d have to ask myself serious questions about where my life was going.

          • Left_is_for_Losers
            August 3, 2023 at 8:32 am
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            Rendel Harris wrote:

            Happy now?

            — Rendel Harris

            Couldn’t be happier 🙂

            I don’t know what you mean, but that is a funny coincidence that my username is in fact a anadrome of yours! (without the underscore of course)

            Would you like me to change it?

          • Hirsute
            August 3, 2023 at 9:40 am
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            You want the petrol heads
            You want the petrol heads site; this is a cycling site.

          • Left_is_for_Losers
            August 3, 2023 at 9:44 am
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            Hirsute wrote:

            You want the petrol heads site; this is a cycling site.

            — Hirsute

            Ah thank you. I was feeling lost here.

          • Hirsute
            August 3, 2023 at 11:31 am
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            Good, off you trot.
            Good, off you trot.
            There’s no welcome here for PBUs.

        • SimoninSpalding
          August 2, 2023 at 1:26 pm
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          Agreed, although I did wimp

          Agreed, although I did wimp out of the the 6am start for the 25mile cycle commute in a biblical downpour this morning. I will go to the gym as penance tonight and then get the bike out tomorrow 

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      • stonojnr
        August 2, 2023 at 11:42 am
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        In principle yes, in practice
        In principle yes, in practice id have been happier in the car today.

        at least then the muppet who tried to undertake me through a bus stop, or the Ford truck who tried to overtake through a pinch point that it barely fits thru by itself, you dont then hear the squeal of their brakes & lockups at the last second as they change their minds, on a wet road in the pouring rain.

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      • Mr Hoopdriver
        August 2, 2023 at 1:19 pm
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        Who doesn’t feel more alive

        Who doesn’t feel more alive after a ride in bad weather ?

        Blazing sunshine and warm windless summer days are the most miserable experiences.

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    • Mungecrundle
      August 2, 2023 at 11:07 am
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      Maybe he should look at
      Maybe he should look at countries like Germany and Holland where public transport works well for urban centres and also between them, mostly due to the fact that it is convenient, clean, integrated and reasonably priced.

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      • KDee
        August 2, 2023 at 11:27 am
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        My typical commute to work

        My typical commute to work here in NL is now something like this (note I’m currently working at a production facility that’s not in a city/town centre:

        • Walk or ride to railway station
        • 2 trains
        • Ride on hire bike from station to office

        Distance covered approx 55km in about 1 hr 10 mins at a cost of 28.85 euros return including OV fiets bike hire…that’s what poverty looks like 

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        • wycombewheeler
          August 2, 2023 at 3:39 pm
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          KDee wrote:

          My typical commute to work here in NL is now something like this (note I’m currently working at a production facility that’s not in a city/town centre:

          • Walk or ride to railway station
          • 2 trains
          • Ride on hire bike from station to office

          Distance covered approx 55km in about 1 hr 10 mins at a cost of 28.85 euros return including OV fiets bike hire…that’s what poverty looks like 

          — KDee

          That’s pretty pricey rail travel (52c/km), I thought the UK was uncommonly expensive. But I have examples of Exeter to London – £60/ 250km = 24p/mile and the utterly incredible £6 from London to Newhaven 79km or 7.6p/km. I suppose that’s because anyone travelling to the poor countries in the EU via the ferry can’t afford more. 

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          • KDee
            August 3, 2023 at 7:47 am
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            Your calculation is off, but

            Your calculation is off, but that’s because my comment wasn’t totally clear.

            It’s about 55km each way, so about 26c/km.

  5. Kapelmuur
    August 2, 2023 at 10:07 am
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    It was pointed out that the

    It was pointed out that the same people who campaigned for Brexit are now leading the anti Green propaganda.  
     

     

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    • hawkinspeter
      August 2, 2023 at 10:19 am
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      Kapelmuur wrote:

      It was pointed out that the same people who campaigned for Brexit are now leading the anti Green propaganda.  

      — Kapelmuur

      It’s almost as though their goals are totally against what benefits the rest of us.

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      • Car Delenda Est
        August 2, 2023 at 10:48 am
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        The soul destroying
        The soul destroying realisation that the Tories will do anything, including destroy this country and planet, just to widen the gap between the rich and poor.

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      • wycombewheeler
        August 2, 2023 at 3:40 pm
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        hawkinspeter wrote:

        It was pointed out that the same people who campaigned for Brexit are now leading the anti Green propaganda.  

        — hawkinspeter

        It’s almost as though their goals are totally against what benefits the rest of us.

        — Kapelmuur

        weren’t they also the covid recovery group, whose objectives around covid were about as close to recovery, as their opinions to europe were to anything based on actual research

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    • essexian
      August 2, 2023 at 11:21 am
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      The sooner they are behind

      The sooner they are behind bars doing time and the UK has applied to rejoin the EU the better for us all. 

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      • brooksby
        August 2, 2023 at 2:03 pm
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        essexian wrote:

        The sooner they are behind bars doing time and the UK has applied to rejoin the EU the better for us all. 

        — essexian

        As I understand it, if we did rejoin the EU we would then just be any old member state.  We wouldn’t have all of the perks and exemptions that we had before so it’s not the same as simply reversing Brexit (Tixerb?).

        And we’d have to apply for membership and I can’t imagine the EU states really trusting us to stay in there (look at our recent history for keeping our word and keeping to international agreements and laws…).

        (I still think we should apply, mind…).

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        • essexian
          August 2, 2023 at 2:22 pm
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          It will be a long road back

          It will be a long road back and one which will mean joining the Euro, free movement and the loss of all the perks we had previously. I for one says “bring it on.” 

          Better being in the EU than being out any day. 

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    • eburtthebike
      August 2, 2023 at 9:17 pm
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      Kapelmuur wrote:

      It was pointed out that the same people who campaigned for Brexit are now leading the anti Green propaganda. 

      — Kapelmuur

      And for the same reason: greed.

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  6. ktache
    August 2, 2023 at 10:21 am
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    Overjoyed this morning at not

    Overjoyed this morning at not getting soaked on the way to work this morning, considering what the rain radar looked like last night, small shower but mostly damp through tree rain.

    Which of course got me thinking, there must be a better expression than tree rain?

    And secondary prcipitation doesn’t work…

     

    They really need to make a full sugar “Premium” Irn-Bru

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    • chrisonabike
      August 2, 2023 at 10:29 am
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      ktache wrote:

      They really need to make a full sugar “Premium” Irn-Bru

      — ktache

      I thought if you’d reached that stage it was straight to the Buckie?
      Sugar?  Check
      Caffeine?  Check
      Alcohol?  Check
      Monks?  Check

      * Just in case – from the label “the name ‘Tonic Wine’ does not imply health giving or medicinal properties”

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    • Kendalred
      August 2, 2023 at 11:43 am
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      ktache wrote:

      Which of course got me thinking, there must be a better expression than tree rain?

      And secondary prcipitation doesn’t work…

      — ktache

      Arboreal Weeping?

      Tree Piss?

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      • kinderje
        August 2, 2023 at 12:46 pm
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        Twig tears?

        Twig tears?

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      • belugabob
        August 2, 2023 at 12:48 pm
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        Kendalred wrote:

        Which of course got me thinking, there must be a better expression than tree rain?

        And secondary prcipitation doesn’t work…

        — Kendalred

        Arboreal Weeping?

        Tree Piss?

        — ktache

        Maple water – the sugar free variety of the more popular breakfast accompaniment

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      • quiff
        August 2, 2023 at 1:46 pm
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        Kendalred wrote:

        there must be a better expression than tree rain?

        — Kendalred

        Tree Piss?

        — ktache

        Cano-pee (like canopy, geddit? oh, I spoiled it didn’t I )

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    • Monklands Whinger
      August 2, 2023 at 2:42 pm
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      ktache wrote:

      They really need to make a full sugar “Premium” Irn-Bru

      — ktache

      I registered for no other reason than to point out that Irn-Bru 1901 exists, is full sugar, and (IMHO) tastes better than the pre-aspartame stuff.

      Availability, particularly of the cans, has been a bit limited / sporadic, but seems to have got better in recent weeks.

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      • ktache
        August 2, 2023 at 6:22 pm
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        Many thanks for putting the

        Many thanks for putting the effort in.

        Now I know it exists I will look for it.

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  7. Car Delenda Est
    August 2, 2023 at 10:46 am
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    Gotta admire the mental
    Gotta admire the mental acrobatics it takes to swing from “only the poor use public transport and bikes” to “we’re too poor to have public transport and bikes.”

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    • GrandTourer
      August 2, 2023 at 11:41 am
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      “When I were a lad we were

      “When I were a lad we were lucky to have a unicycle. Who could afford two wheels?”

      “You were rich, I had to make do with just a wheel.”

      “That’s nothing, if I were lucky I got to take turns with the family inner tube…”

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      • Cugel
        August 2, 2023 at 12:55 pm
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        GrandTourer wrote:

        “When I were a lad we were lucky to have a unicycle. Who could afford two wheels?”

        “You were rich, I had to make do with just a wheel.”

        “That’s nothing, if I were lucky I got to take turns with the family inner tube…”

        — GrandTourer

        Inner tubes!?  We had no inner tubes, only handfulls of grass and nettles that we had to wrest from starving grannies who had collected them for their one meal a week.  (They still fought back, mind).

        Family!? We had no family, only  a monstrous bloke that hit us once every 3 minutes then left for a month with the savings jar, all three farthings of it, to join our mother at the pub where she was scavenging for cast aside fag-ends to make up another fag with toilet paper pinched from the pub netty.

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        • perce
          August 2, 2023 at 1:04 pm
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          Ah the good old days. I

          Ah the good old days. I remember the starving grannies having punchups at jumble sales.Try telling all of that to the youth of today, they’d never believe it. 

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  8. the little onion
    August 2, 2023 at 11:10 am
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    The conspiracy theoriest who

    The conspiracy theoriest who cites 15 minute city nonsense should be hit with the ban stick. Hard. No time for that nasty crazy stuff. 

     

    (also, they should look at the history of the ghetto, as in, the original Venetian one, and what it actually meant. Then take a good hard look at themselves for making that comparison. And never say anything here again).

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  9. brooksby
    August 2, 2023 at 11:35 am
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    Irn-Bru, eh?  “Tell me that

    Irn-Bru, eh?  “Tell me that you are in Scotland without actually saying that you are in Scotland“

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    • belugabob
      August 2, 2023 at 12:42 pm
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      Girders are the last thing
      Girders are the last thing you’d want your bike to be made from, surely?

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      • Backladder
        August 2, 2023 at 12:58 pm
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        belugabob wrote:

        Girders are the last thing you’d want your bike to be made from, surely?

        — belugabob

        Extra weight is always helpful when going downhill, at least that’s what I tell people as I freewheel past them on descents!

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      • chrisonabike
        August 2, 2023 at 3:02 pm
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        Made in America, from girders

        Made in America, from girders.

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  10. KDee
    August 2, 2023 at 2:11 pm
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    What’s happened to the Spesh

    What’s happened to the Spesh Tarmac SL8 article? It’s disappeared from the home page and the link above gives a 403 error. Did you have to pull it?

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    • quiff
      August 2, 2023 at 4:08 pm
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      My guess – road.cc has

      My guess – road.cc has embargoed material on the SL8 and Spesh thought that “we’re just reporting on someone else’s breach of embargo” wasn’t a good enough excuse.

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  11. FatAndFurious
    August 2, 2023 at 2:24 pm
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    Regarding Jesko’s TCR#9 post,

    Regarding Jesko’s TCR#9 post, what is a “failed tubeless system”?

    I’m a basic luddite when it comes to bike tech and haven’t been persuaded to shift away from inner tubes, but what might have been the issue here that “shove an inner tube in it” wouldn’t solve?

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    • KDee
      August 2, 2023 at 2:28 pm
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      I can only think a hole/tear

      I can only think a hole/tear so big that the tyre can’t be patched. That’s not a tubeless failure though, it’s just one of those things that will ruin your day with or without tubes. More likely, probably wasn’t carrying a spare tube.

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      • Rendel Harris
        August 2, 2023 at 4:02 pm
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        Could have been running one

        Could have been running one of those tyre/rim combinations where it is impossible to seat the rim without a shot from a compressor, in which case if the tyre comes off or you have to take it off, spare tube or not you’re going to have to walk until you find a garage or a friendly mechanic.

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        • ChasP
          August 3, 2023 at 8:46 am
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          A normal pump will seat the
          A normal pump will seat the tyre if there’s an inner tube. It’s can be a useful trick with a new tyre as you can then remove it leaving one bead seated and only one to worry about.

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          • Rendel Harris
            August 3, 2023 at 9:14 am
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            ChasP wrote:

            A normal pump will seat the tyre if there’s an inner tube. It’s can be a useful trick with a new tyre as you can then remove it leaving one bead seated and only one to worry about.

            — ChasP

            Cheers, never used them myself, was just going on what I’d read.

      • Hirsute
        August 2, 2023 at 4:53 pm
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        You’d need an emergency tyre

        You’d need an emergency tyre boot if the tyre was badly damaged.

        There were a few stories on here of where people made their own emergency one (steve K maybe ?)

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        • Secret_squirrel
          August 3, 2023 at 9:02 am
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          Im pretty sure theres a TCR

          Im pretty sure theres a TCR story from one of James Haydens wins where he was riding one of the parcours when he had a big nail go through tyre, tube and *RIM*, then had to fix it with a plastic £5 note and lashings of gaffa tape.

          (I may have forgotten most of the details but it was one of the WTF moments that attracted me to following the TCR)

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          • Hirsute
            August 3, 2023 at 9:39 am
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            Plastic £5 note rings a bell.
            Plastic £5 note rings a bell.

  12. perce
    August 2, 2023 at 5:59 pm
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    I’d just like to offer my

    I’d just like to offer my best wishes and respect to Mr Langford, who, at nearly 90 years old is riding from Lands End to John O’Groats for charity. Good luck to him. Kind of puts into perspective the silliness of one poster on here.

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    • Clem Fandango
      August 2, 2023 at 6:23 pm
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      I agree
      I agree

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  13. ktache
    August 2, 2023 at 6:10 pm
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    Go for it Pete!

    Go for it Pete!

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  14. capedcrusader
    August 2, 2023 at 6:41 pm
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    It should have read,

    It should have read, Christophe Strasser finished the TCR first again.

    The guy is a phenom. 

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    • quiff
      August 2, 2023 at 6:44 pm
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      To be fair, they did cover it

      To be fair, they did cover it yesterday

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    August 3, 2023 at 9:50 am
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    Something something always

    Something something always two master and apprentice yoda quote.

    I thought there had been too much talk here of cycling, bikes, transport infrastructure etc. recently.  Back to “culture war” and Brexit now though!

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chrisonabike 2 minutes ago

A key one is "speed" as obviously injury is strongly related to that, and the 20-30mph region is where IIRC "mostly injured" crosses over to "mostly killed". Cars would be expected to be at higher speeds, for more of the time. That may be reduced in some places however eg. congested rush hours, and where "mixing" may be most likely the environment may cue lower speeds (narrow streets).

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chrisonabike 3 minutes ago

Stepping back, given that humans operate both cars and bikes maybe a *qualitative* "what differs" might be instructive? (Putting to one side for a moment what may be mostly a motornormative prejudice: that drivers are in some way "more responsible". Variations "more to lose because they've paid for a car" / "but trained and licenced" / "more accountable because number plates" / "only (man)children and crims who can't afford cars cycle" etc).

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Rendel Harris 8 minutes ago

@AidanR I wonder how it would change the stats if one looked at deaths per trip? According to the NTS the average person makes 15 cycle trips a year and 357 as a car driver, so 23x more driving trips than cycling ones but 182x the pedestrian deaths so by that calculation cars are 8x more lethal. Take out the 20% of car trips on motorways and you have one death per 51M trips motoring and one death per 487M trips cycling, so motoring becomes almost 10x more lethal. I know one can make statistics do anything one wishes by changing the metrics but that figure seems a more realistic approximation of relative lethality to me. All this of course is before we count all the other deaths caused by motorists that cyclists almost never cause, i.e. motorcycle riders, car passengers etc, almost five times the pedestrian numbers, cars then become 50x more lethal than bikes...

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mdavidford 41 minutes ago

Eh? Does it make it 1.35% easier?

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AidanR 45 minutes ago

@Rendel Harris I think the reliability of the stats probably goes down the more specific we try and make things, but restricting the comparison to roads with speed limits of 40mph and under (as an imperfect proxy for urban areas) changes the stats from car drivers killing 2.5x pedestrians per mile vs cyclists to 3.3x. A notable increase, but I still find it surprisingly small given the generally higher speed and much greater mass of cars.

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Rendel Harris 58 minutes ago

@AidanR Fatalities per billion miles overall isn't a very helpful metric though, given that generally cars will cover so many more miles than bicycles on roads that are de facto pedestrian-free even when you don't count motorways. So car drivers killed 364 pedestrians in 2025, cyclists killed two, but with 274 billion non-motorway miles motorists "only" kill one pedestrian every 752M miles, cyclists with 3.5 billion miles kill one every 1.75 billion miles, so yes, that comes out as motorists only 2.5x more lethal even though they kill 18,000% more pedestrians than cyclists. For a fair comparison you'd have to take out all the miles travelled by cars on roads where they won't encounter pedestrians, i.e. most inter-urban roads, dual carriageways etc, same for bikes obviously but the vast majority of cycling is in the urban environment whereas only 50% of motoring is. Additionally, with no lack of respect for the victims, the number killed by cyclists is so statistically negligible that you can't really draw any solid conclusions.

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ktache 59 minutes ago

@AidanR I care less about them, yes it will be costly for society, NHS and benefits when they crash, but it only really affects the offender, it's the other fatal four that causes hazard to others.

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AidanR 2 hours ago

@chrisonabike If AI is to be trusted: Cars and LGVs - 35% of pedestrian deaths at junctions Motorbikes - 40% at junctions Buses/coaches and HGVs - 45% at junctions Bicycles - 60% at junctions

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chrisonabike 2 hours ago

@AidanR Buses: as others have pointed out not only are trams more efficient - and often money-saving over the long run, but their predictable paths mean they can be more safely mixed with pedestrians. The very flexibility that people like in buses * likely makes them more of a danger. Of course as an Edinburgh resident I should add that with sufficient ignorance/hubris/graft (take your pick) it's quite possible to make more dangerous tram line designs, very slowly, at an astronomical cost. Indeed if you cock up repeatedly you might even end up deciding to take back existing active travel infra (while sending the line away from destinations and housing concentrations...) "because that should mean fewer complaints". * I've also heard there's a fear of single point of failure / unions holding us to ransom.

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If I was to spend £10,000 on a new bike, it most certainly would not have Mavic wheels on it. For that money I would have some nice hand built wheels built by a reputable wheel builder.

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