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“Are you kidding?”: Jeremy Vine calls out much-criticised police advice to cyclists; Relieved RideLondon cyclists celebrate no 22mph safety car; Giro stage 11; Pre-race trampolining; Dowsett called on for Ironman record; Room 101 + more on the live blog

Happy Wednesday, folks…today’s Giro stage looks…well, dull…if Dan Alexander starts snoring, give him a nudge…
  • by Dan Alexander
Wed, May 18, 2022 08:11
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SUMMARY

  • "Time to tear this ra—I mean sportive up!": Relieved RideLondon cyclists celebrate no 22mph safety car
  • Avengers Assemble: Alastair Brownlee calls on Alex Dowsett and Dan Bigham for Ironman record attempt
  • Fantastic scenes as Eritrean fans celebrate Biniam Girmay's historic Giro d'Italia stage win
  • Too soon, Ned, too soon 😢
  • Giacomo Nizzolo seeks sprinting advice from the peloton's newest lead-out man
  • Cycle like you drive? Police force schooled over 'road safety' advice
  • Giro d'Italia stage 11
  • Pre-race activation like the pros...
  • Wednesday whinge
  • Richard Carapaz sneaks three seconds at intermediate sprint
  • Italy has its win: Alberto Dainese wins stage 11 of the Giro d'Italia
  • Could Mathieu van der Poel beat Biniam Girmay with a bit more sleep?
  • "Are you kidding?": Jeremy Vine calls out much-criticised police advice to cyclists
  • "So you're gonna attack from the gun, follow the moves, sit on before the climb then drop the hammer"
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18 May 2022, 08:11

"Time to tear this ra—I mean sportive up!": Relieved RideLondon cyclists celebrate no 22mph safety car

UPDATE: RideLondon safety car WON’T set 22mph speed limit — organisers admit race guide was “incorrect”…
“We apologise for the error. It will travel at a pace determined by the conditions and what is happening on the road”https://t.co/cydykwQAKO #cycling pic.twitter.com/nnb8Ji3OJQ

— road.cc (@roadcc) May 17, 2022

The last 48 hours must have been quite quiet over at London Marathon Events…not. The team behind the running thing also organise RideLondon and have received something of a backlash from disgruntled entrants who received their race guide over the weekend…only to read there would be a 22mph safety car implemented at the head of the event.

 Following half a day of complaints from riders (and emails from road.cc) a quiet reply was added to one complaint, saying the decision had been made to ensure the safety of participants. Alas, that didn’t go down well, but was soon deleted when yesterday RideLondon put out a statement saying it had all been one big mistake…

At least everyone who has paid £90 to enter was understanding…

Leah JoPerry wrote on Facebook: “Ha error, my…  They walked in, dropped a bombshell and then read the room and quickly tried to cover it up saying they’d ‘made an error’.” 

Zac Nicholson joked at least there’s no need to “pin a real number on now” in reference to the hundreds of ‘it’s not a race, go to a real race if you want to ride fast’ comments of the past 48 hours…adding: “Time to tear this ra—I mean sportive up!”

Joe Chapman couldn’t help but spot some irony in the backPEDALLING…

Common sense prevails, well done for listening and changing your approach.

— A James (@AEWJ) May 17, 2022

When you accidentally type ’22mph’ instead of ‘at a pace determined by the conditions’. Seriously though, 100% the right decision.

— Sam Massey (@Phordeaux) May 17, 2022

🤣🤣🤣

This you bro? pic.twitter.com/rPr9jjkei4

— Bang Average 3rd Cat (@BangAverageCat3) May 17, 2022

18 May 2022, 08:11

Avengers Assemble: Alastair Brownlee calls on Alex Dowsett and Dan Bigham for Ironman record attempt

2021 alistair brownlee clug pro ambassador
2021 alistair brownlee clug pro ambassador (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)
2021 alistair brownlee clug pro ambassador
2021 alistair brownlee clug pro ambassador (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)

As far as pace setters go, time trial wizards Alex Dowsett and Dan Bigham are a pretty strong duo…

Two-time Olympic champion Alastair Brownlee has called on the pair to pace set his record attempt where he will try to record a sub-7-hour Ironman triathlon.

Kristian Blummenfelt, whose quite-ridiculous looking Cadex prototype bike we reported on a couple of weeks back, holds the current world record (7:21:12) and will compete against Brownlee at the Zwift-sponsored event in Germany on June 5 or 6 (depending on the weather)…

Bownlee’s eight pace setters, who will need to maintain 45kp/h+ for 180km are mainly from the Ribble Weldtite Pro Cycling Team, and include GB team pursuit rider Charlie Tanfield, brother Harry, Ollie Peckover and Zeb Kyfinn.

“These athletes have specialised in team time trialling and their performance coach and rider Jacob Tipper has brought these riders together,” said Nigel Mitchell, Brownlee’s technical manager.

“We’ve been very fortunate that we’ve got what we think are some of the best riders in the world for this type of event.”

18 May 2022, 08:11

Fantastic scenes as Eritrean fans celebrate Biniam Girmay's historic Giro d'Italia stage win

Eritrea people in Cairo egypt yesterday @GrmayeBiniam 🦁win@IntermarcheWG 😂🇪🇷❤😂🇪🇷❤😂🇪🇷❤😂🇪🇷❤🇪🇷😂❤🚀😂 @giroditalia ❤ pic.twitter.com/THIF0ZtE50

— Eritrea cycling fan🇪🇷 (@Eri_Cycling_fan) May 18, 2022

The news this morning is not so good…

More on that in the next few minutes… 

18 May 2022, 08:11

Too soon, Ned, too soon 😢

“Five big bottles, sitting on a wall…” pic.twitter.com/gB7CZS8hhL

— Ned Boulting (@nedboulting) May 18, 2022

18 May 2022, 08:11

Giacomo Nizzolo seeks sprinting advice from the peloton's newest lead-out man

Nizzolo Pozzovivo Giro 2022
Nizzolo Pozzovivo Giro 2022 (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)
Nizzolo Pozzovivo Giro 2022
Nizzolo Pozzovivo Giro 2022 (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)

After his lead-out heroics yesterday, was Giacomo Nizzolo making a sneaky bid for his compatriot’s services now Biniam Girmay has unfortunately left the race?

18 May 2022, 08:11

Cycle like you drive? Police force schooled over 'road safety' advice

Introducing the latest police Twitter account to put their foot in it in three, two, one…

Many cyclists can exceed urban speed limits, yet brakes on pedal cycles can be weak. Think, if a child or elderly person were to unexpectedly step into your path, could you stop in time? Cycle like you drive, with curtesy, care and within the law #FatalFour pic.twitter.com/WdELsk9xpn

— Roads Policing Unit (@MerPolTraffic) May 18, 2022

Where to begin? Can many cyclists exceed urban speed limits? Are brakes on bikes weak? (The last thing we need is the cops wading into the disc vs rim debate) Cycle like you drive? ‘Curtesy’? There’s no shortage of ammunition here…but just remember to always offer a curtsy to pedestrians when you stop at red lights…

Or are we talking about this?

live blog 18 May
live blog 18 May (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)
live blog 18 May
live blog 18 May (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)

Anyway, nitpicking aside, there are more important issues to address in the tweet which still survives on Merseyside Police’s account four hours on. How much longer remains to be seen…

That’s not the law, and you know it. Few cyclists can break urban speed limits, not many. Drivers are far more law breaking and dangerous and careless than cyclists. So no, I won’t be cycling like drivers drive. Your tweet is almost all wrong.

— CyclingMikey along the Rhine 🇳🇱🇪🇺🇿🇼🇺🇦 (@MikeyCycling) May 18, 2022

In 2018, drivers in the UK killed 555 pedestrians and cyclists.

In the same year, three people died after collisions with cyclists (not clear who was responsible for the collision) in 765 million cycle trips in England.

Tweet like you police dangerous drivers. With courtesy.

— Jon Burke FRSA 🌍 (@jonburkeUK) May 18, 2022

🚫 81% of drivers exceed the speed limit in 20mph zones.
🚫 53% exceed the speed limit in 30mph zones.
🚫 In 2019, 570 pedestrians & cyclists were killed by motor vehicles.

Not sure “cYcLE LikE yOu dRiVe” is the advice you should be handing out, to be honest.

— Jon Burke FRSA 🌍 (@jonburkeUK) May 18, 2022

Cycle like you drive, eh?

Haha… an hour or two apart…

“Cycle like you drive”https://t.co/9bSgLFpV3P

— Mounsey. (@rosemeyer1939) May 18, 2022

Who knows how long this will still be up for? But don’t worry…here’s a screenshot if/when it’s deleted…

An early one for the @roadcc live blog. And a screenshot in case it gets deleted.
“Cycle like you drive” hahahahaha.
They must be the safest roads in the country then. https://t.co/7F9BsrQayq pic.twitter.com/z2R5GZpUvp

— Real Gaz on a proper bike #fbpe (@gazza_d) May 18, 2022

18 May 2022, 08:11

Giro d'Italia stage 11

As flat as a pancake…

GIRO NEWS EXCLUSIVE!
You have to look very closely, but it’s another one for the climbers today. #Giro pic.twitter.com/FvdTi60aNl

— Rob Whittle (@PolkaDotRob) May 18, 2022

But not everyone reckons it’ll be a snooze fest…

In for an exciting day at the #Giro despite the flat profile. Wind between 20 and 25 kph all day with plenty of crosswinds (shown in red above profile & on the map) for the initial 20 km and after they turn northwards with 92km remaining. Lots of open roads as well.#notarestday pic.twitter.com/qPGsTwhyg0

— VeloViewer (@VeloViewer) May 18, 2022

We’ll keep you up-to-date here on the live blog… 

18 May 2022, 08:11

Pre-race activation like the pros...

Earlier today we heard Harry Tanfield is part of Alistair Brownlee’s crack-team of aero assassins heading over to Germany to help him break the Ironman sub-7-hour record (hopefully)…

So how does a pro rider like Harry warm up for big races?

Trampolining of course…

Harry Tanfield Strava
Harry Tanfield Strava (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)
Harry Tanfield Strava
Harry Tanfield Strava (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)

Fasted trampolining sessions, eh? So that’s the secret…

18 May 2022, 08:11

Wednesday whinge

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2022 3T Exploro Racemax Italia Dreambox - 1 (1) (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)
2022 3T Exploro Racemax Italia Dreambox - 1 (1).jpeg
2022 3T Exploro Racemax Italia Dreambox – 1 (1) (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)

Excuse my venting breaking up your live blog on this sunny Wednesday afternoon but, inspired by James May telling us on Friday that he would cast flashing front lights into Room 101 forever, I’ve got a cycling pet peeve of my own.

Inward facing stem bolts…impossible to torque correctly as…well, the stem’s in the way. Absolute pain in the…to adjust mid-ride with a multitool. Oh, and to top it all off, the prime adjusting real estate for the lower bolts just so happens to be slap bang in the inaccessible triangle of: stem, headset, cables…never again…

What would be your cycling Room 101?

18 May 2022, 08:11

Richard Carapaz sneaks three seconds at intermediate sprint

Richard Carapaz is now just 12 seconds behind Juan Pedro López after crossing the line first at the intermediate sprint on stage 11. Clever work from Ben Swift and the rest of the Ineos Grenadiers who strung it out, smashed out some watts, and left their Ecuadorian unchallenged…

Great awareness and teamwork from the Grenadiers sees @RichardCarapazM earn three bonus seconds 👊

📽️ @giroditalia pic.twitter.com/8x81WXrzpx

— INEOS Grenadiers (@INEOSGrenadiers) May 18, 2022

18 May 2022, 08:11

Italy has its win: Alberto Dainese wins stage 11 of the Giro d'Italia

🔥 First victory at the Giro for @alberto_dainese.
He has just ended a 10-stage fast of Italian victories!

🔥 Prima vittoria al Giro per @alberto_dainese: pone fine ad un digiuno di vittorie italiane lungo 10 tappe.#Giro pic.twitter.com/MsBeshn2uN

— Giro d’Italia (@giroditalia) May 18, 2022

Alberto Dainese from nowhere to the front of the sprint in about five seconds…

The Italian gave his country its first win of the year at its home Grand Tour, flying past Fernando Gaviria and Simone Consonni in the final metres. The left side of the road seemed fastest, with Mark Cavendish, Caleb Ewan and Arnaud Démare pulling up short on the right.

Dainese stage 11 Giro 2022
Dainese stage 11 Giro 2022 (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)
Dainese stage 11 Giro 2022
Dainese stage 11 Giro 2022 (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)

Gaviria went first before Consonni and Dainese jumped to his left, the latter pipping him on the line in another sprint, characteristically tight for this year’s race. Pre-stage favourites Démare, Ewan and Cav rolled home in fourth, fifth and sixth respectively.

🇮🇹 It’s a first Giro d’Italia 2022 Stage win for Italy
🥇 Alberto Dainese 𝙙𝙚𝙡𝙞𝙫𝙚𝙧𝙨 on home soil

𝙁𝙤𝙧𝙯𝙖 Dainese! 👏#Giro | @alberto_dainese | @TeamDSM pic.twitter.com/Bfx9wQjGyE

— Eurosport (@eurosport) May 18, 2022

Dainese stage 11 Giro 2022
Dainese stage 11 Giro 2022 (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)
Dainese stage 11 Giro 2022
Dainese stage 11 Giro 2022 (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)

Now don’t do what Biniam did, Alberto… 

18 May 2022, 08:11

Could Mathieu van der Poel beat Biniam Girmay with a bit more sleep?

Van der Poel Whoop
Van der Poel Whoop (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)
Van der Poel Whoop
Van der Poel Whoop (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)

Who knows? What we do know is exactly how many hours kip the Dutchman got, thanks to Whoop…

18 May 2022, 08:11

"Are you kidding?": Jeremy Vine calls out much-criticised police advice to cyclists

The tweet is still up. Fair play if you had nine hours plus on your betslip…and it’s attracting even more heat…

Breaking speed limits on a bike? Are you kidding?

— Jeremy Vine (@theJeremyVine) May 18, 2022

Cyclists breaking speed limits? We think what Jeremy is getting at is that as per the speed limits listed in Road Traffic Regulation Act 1984 and also Rule 124 of the Highway Code, cyclists are not required to adhere to the same limits which apply to motorists. Local bylaws aside, therefore, speed limits do not apply to those on bicycles.

Rule 124 outlines a table of speed limits for different vehicles, but cyclists are not included. Of course, careless and dangerous cycling charges do apply if riders are deemed to meet the criteria, but Merseyside Police knew that already, of course…

The same Merseyside Roads Policing Unit that presides over the worst rate of serious road casualties in the country is encouraging people to “cycle like you drive”.

Wow. https://t.co/393xaUeF21 pic.twitter.com/e2bqIhyQ2d

— Jon Burke FRSA 🌍 (@jonburkeUK) May 18, 2022

18 May 2022, 08:11

"So you're gonna attack from the gun, follow the moves, sit on before the climb then drop the hammer"

Kids at Aberdeenshire schools are “gearing up” for the Tour of Britain 2022 start. Like these pupils from Braemar. https://t.co/XUqZF3Y9BP #ToBABDN @TourofBritain pic.twitter.com/7mDZdr7SwI

— Tour of Britain ABDN (@ToBABDN) May 18, 2022

PE’s changed… 

18 May 2022, 08:11

Biniam Girmay out of Giro d’Italia with eye injury after bizarre podium prosecco incident

Biniam Girmay out of Giro d’Italia with eye injury after bizarre podium prosecco incident

The 22-year-old Eritrean withdraws from the race a day after making history as the first black African rider to win a grand tour stage

18 May 2022, 08:11

Garmin’s Varia RCT715 adds camera to bike radar system

Garmin’s Varia RCT715 adds camera to bike radar system

The device shoots in up to 1080p at 30fps and can run for up to 6 hours

18 May 2022, 08:11

Campaigners use Highway Code changes to protest waste plant

Campaigners use Highway Code changes to protest waste plant

Opponents of the controversial biogas plant in Norfolk say lorries will not be able to pass cyclists safely on the narrow surrounding roads

18 May 2022, 08:11

Bike lane meltdown: New road markings prompt Mail to ask, “is there any room left for cars?”

Bike lane meltdown: New road markings prompt Mail to ask, “is there any room left for cars?”

The markings, which aim to encourage cyclists to take a “prominent position” while riding through Bournemouth, were described by the paper as the “latest move by the authorities to drive cars off the road”

18 May 2022, 08:11

“What is the matter with people?!” Chris Hall’s supplies stolen* during mammoth seven Everestings in seven days charity challenge

“What is the matter with people?!” Chris Hall’s supplies stolen* during mammoth seven Everestings in seven days charity challenge

The endurance cyclist’s team have called for help from local cyclists after thieves nicked a box of bottles and food three days into the week-long challenge

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Dan is the road.cc news editor and joined in 2020 having previously written about nearly every other sport under the sun for the Express, and the weird and wonderful world of non-league football for The Non-League Paper. Dan has been at road.cc for four years and mainly writes news and tech articles as well as the occasional feature. He has hopefully kept you entertained on the live blog too. Never fast enough to take things on the bike too seriously, when he’s not working you’ll find him exploring the south of England by two wheels at a leisurely weekend pace, or enjoying his favourite Scottish roads when visiting family. Sometimes he’ll even load up the bags and ride up the whole way, he’s a bit strange like that.  

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  1. Velovoyeur
    May 18, 2022 at 8:29 am
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    You pay an entry, you pin on

    You pay an entry, you pin on a number and you ride at a pace dictated by conditions or other participants (competitors). So it is a race, then?

    In which case why doesn’t this event have to abide by the Cycle racing on the Highways regulations? Just like proper races do.

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    • Hirsute
      May 18, 2022 at 8:49 am
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      Can you expand your second

      Can you expand your second paragraph for non racers ?

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    • mdavidford
      May 18, 2022 at 9:40 am
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      Velovoyeur wrote:

      You pay an entry, you pin on a number and you ride at a pace dictated by conditions or other participants (competitors). So it is a race, then?

      — Velovoyeur

      Well, no, for a couple of reasons.

      Firstly, that’s not what they said – they made no mention of competitors, or even other participants; they said ‘what is happening on the road’. That could mean (e.g.) whether they’ve managed to put closures in place on the road ahead, rather than what are participants doing behind them.

      Secondly, that’s not the definition of a race. A race implies some degree of competition between participants, not just people trying to do their own best performance. [Note that the introduction of ‘competitors’ was your own – RideLondon don’t refer to anything to do with ‘competition’.]

      In which case why doesn’t this event have to abide by the Cycle racing on the Highways regulations? Just like proper races do.

      — Velovoyeur

      I’m not familiar with it, but at a glance it appears to be aimed at races on open roads. I would imagine that, even if the event was to be classed as a ‘race’, the road closures would involve a derogation from the regulations, just as they would from other traffic rules.

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      • chrisonabike
        May 18, 2022 at 10:29 am
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        mdavidford wrote:

        A race implies some degree of competition between participants, not just people trying to do their own best performance.

        — mdavidford

        A time trial then? *Ducks behind motoring helmet*

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        • Steve K
          May 18, 2022 at 11:18 am
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          chrisonatrike wrote:

          A race implies some degree of competition between participants, not just people trying to do their own best performance.

          — chrisonatrike

          A time trial then? *Ducks behind motoring helmet*

          — mdavidford

          A time trial is still a competition between participants.

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          • chrisonabike
            May 18, 2022 at 11:57 am
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            Well it’s a spectrum isn’t it

            Well it’s a spectrum isn’t it?  Yep – this isn’t a time trial.  I also disagreed with the “stop those selfish dangerous scorchers at all costs” types.  I think goals of “It was a great ride” and “I finished!” and “I got my time down to x” can co-exist (without the strange “safety” car).

            I’m sure quite a few want to finish in the top x% or go faster than some Nigel though.  So there will be competition.

          • mdavidford
            May 18, 2022 at 1:22 pm
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            chrisonatrike wrote:

            faster than some Nigel

            — chrisonatrike

            Nigel won’t be riding it – he only ever rides alone.

  2. Hirsute
    May 18, 2022 at 8:53 am
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    Very disappointing tweet by

    Very disappointing tweet by Merseyside (?) Police

    Many cyclists can exceed urban speed limits, yet brakes on pedal cycles can be weak. Think, if a child or elderly person were to unexpectedly step into your path, could you stop in time? Cycle like you drive, with curtesy, care and within the law #FatalFour pic.twitter.com/WdELsk9xpn

    — Roads Policing Unit (@MerPolTraffic) May 18, 2022

    Many cyclists can exceed urban speed limits, yet brakes on pedal cycles can be weak. Think, if a child or elderly person were to unexpectedly step into your path, could you stop in time? Cycle like you drive, with curtesy, care and within the law #FatalFour
     
    Mr Bad Dad 1975
    Pretty certain that I work on defective vehicles everyday. Illegal tyres Worn out brakes. Lights not working. Suspension defective. Steering defective. Body damage, sharp edges. Seatbelt defective. Airbag warning lights on. Engine warning lights on. Emission lights on. Every day.

     

     

    Cycle like you drive?

    road.cc https://road.cc/content/forum/car-crashes-building-please-post-your-local-news-stories-276441

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    • mdavidford
      May 18, 2022 at 9:13 am
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      I think trying to curtsey to

      I think trying to curtsey to everyone I pass is going to make my cycling more dangerous, not less.

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      • Awavey
        May 18, 2022 at 10:39 am
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        What would Curtis E Bear do..
        What would Curtis E Bear do..

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    • BalladOfStruth
      May 18, 2022 at 9:19 am
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      Of course it’s the cyclists

      Of course it’s the cyclists that are the problem on urban roads, not drivers. Only *checks most recent DfT speed compliance report* 50% of drivers exceed the speed limit on 30mph/urban streets in the day and a miniscule 67% of them do it at night.

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    • OnYerBike
      May 18, 2022 at 9:48 am
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      When Merseyside Police say

      When Merseyside Police say “Cycle within the law” I assume they are aware that “the law” states (most) speed limits only apply to motor vehicles and not to bicycles?

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      • Awavey
        May 18, 2022 at 10:34 am
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        But, broken record here again
        But, broken record here again I know, reckless/careless/dangerous cycling, section 28-30 of the RTA, is a real thing in law. The CPS/police might be as adverse to using it as careless driving, but I think you would have a hard time in a court defending yourself riding at speeds quicker than any posted vehicle limit if that charge was brought against you.

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        • brooksby
          May 18, 2022 at 10:51 am
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          Awavey wrote:

          But, broken record here again I know, reckless/careless/dangerous cycling, section 28-30 of the RTA, is a real thing in law. The CPS/police might be as adverse to using it as careless driving, but I think you would have a hard time in a court defending yourself riding at speeds quicker than any posted vehicle limit if that charge was brought against you.

          — Awavey

          But since the posted speed limit doesn’t legally apply to cyclists, wouldn’t they have to show that you were riding recklessly/carelessly/dangerously (regardless of the speed you were riding at)?

          Simply riding at 25mph (downhill – memo to Ride London) in a 20mph limit is not in and of itself reckless/careless/dangerous…

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          • Awavey
            May 18, 2022 at 2:59 pm
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            The context would the be key
            The context would the be key to it, but it’s the catch all, same deal really as with that speeding app for drivers you just have to show it’s not how a careful considerate rider/driver would behave, I just think its simpler to ride like the limits do apply and then it removes the question.

        • wtjs
          May 18, 2022 at 11:07 am
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          I think you would have a hard

          I think you would have a hard time in a court defending yourself riding at speeds quicker than any posted vehicle limit 

          No you wouldn’t. As far as the police are concerned, cyclists are always travelling at less than 10 mph. That’s what they use to excuse this, and they’re completely uninterested in the video that shows that you’re obviously travelling at much more than 10 mph. They refuse to accept any evidence of a cyclist’s speed, so unless they actually catch you in a speed trap, you’re in the clear

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        • OnYerBike
          May 18, 2022 at 2:17 pm
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          You’re not wrong, but my main

          You’re not wrong, but my main point was that the clear implication of that tweet was that exceeding the speed limit is ipso facto outwith the law, which is not the case, and therefore inappropriate advice coming from the police. 

          Yes, there are situations when inappropriate speed could no doubt form part of a careless/dangerous cycling charge. But I don’t think a careless cycling charge would stick purely because you were caught on a speed camera exceeding the limit for motor vehicles – I do think there would have to be something much more substantial to demonstrate the speed was inappropriate for the conditions (and indeed speed could be considered inappropriate even if less than the speed limit).

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          • Awavey
            May 18, 2022 at 2:55 pm
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            Yep totally agreed, i dont
            Yep totally agreed, i dont think a speed camera purely by itself would be of concern, it’s just we easily fall into that habit that speed limits only apply to motor vehicles, but riding at 25mph past a school 20mph zone at school home time would be a classic example of careless cycling with inappropriate speed and twitter isnt very good at getting those nuances like that across and its probably just some poor intern told to push a set of bullet points out as a message.

    • Rendel Harris
      May 18, 2022 at 10:25 am
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      Quote:

       Think, if a child or elderly person were to unexpectedly step into your path, could you stop in time?

      I never realised that reaction times and stopping distances are different depending on the age group of a hazard in one’s path. Blatant attempt to reinforce the “cyclists are a danger to the most vulnerable people” narrative so beloved of velociphobes* everywhere.

      *Just made that up, I rather like it. ETA dammit, Google reveals someone else had thought of it already…

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      • Awavey
        May 18, 2022 at 10:51 am
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        Actually that was one of the
        Actually that was one of the questions posed on my driving test, the answer is children/elderly are less able to judge speeds of approaching vehicles, so you are supposed to take into consideration that they might step out in front of you by mistake, which means you need to be prepared to stop at all times and not assume theyll just stay where they are on the pavement. But it applies equally to drivers so not sure why their twitter account are singling out cyclists.

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    • Ric_Stern_RST
      May 18, 2022 at 11:58 am
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      I’d love to know who these

      I’d love to know who these “many cyclists” are? I raced last night at Goodwood. We were thrashing it (closed roads) and the 3rd cat race averaged 43 km/hr (~27mph) and the elite race averaged ~46 km/hr (~29mph). Apologies I’m unsure how fast the women’s or 4th cat race was (but as they were lapped I’m confident it was slower than the 3rd cat and elite race).  

      I’m pretty certain average Joe and Josephine would have been spat pretty quickly. 

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      • OnYerBike
        May 18, 2022 at 2:25 pm
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        It’s possible the police are

        It’s possible the police are referring to 20mph limits. Given the relationship between power and speed, going at 20mph requires far less effort than 27mph (this page, with the default assumptions, suggests 20mph requires 180W while 27mph requires 403W). Not to mention with a decent hill you can top 20mph just coasting. 

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    • Hirsute
      May 18, 2022 at 2:05 pm
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      https://twitter.com/RoadPeace

      It's day 3 of the RoadPeace #AndyCoxChallenge.

      Today's theme – reporting road crime and the widespread use of dashcams on UK roads. A reminder to drivers to always 'drive like you're being filmed'.#HowFarWillYouGo#TalkAboutRoadDeath pic.twitter.com/RctcxTZhrZ

      — RoadPeace (@RoadPeace) May 18, 2022

      RoadPeace

      Today’s theme – reporting road crime and the widespread use of dashcams on UK roads. A reminder to drivers to always ‘drive like you’re being filmed’.

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    • IanMSpencer
      May 18, 2022 at 3:20 pm
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      You don’t even need to go

      You don’t even need to go further than their own tweets just for today – driver who blew 177 – legal limit 35 – amazed they were still conscious. Parent with no licence driving unrestrained children, expired MOT and no driving licence, “a hat-trick” of uninsured drivers, driver doing 103mph – the irony has blown my irony detector.

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  3. wtjs
    May 18, 2022 at 10:45 am
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    Good luck to Brownlee and his

    Good luck to Brownlee and his eminent pace-setters! The Brownlee brothers are like Cav- they’ve been the source of much happiness and pride for us over the years and they don’t have to win anything else to secure their much-loved status, but we still hope they do.

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  4. peted76
    May 18, 2022 at 10:58 am
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    Cycle like you drive.. what

    Cycle like you drive.. what fuckwitery is this, who let ‘Gene Hunt’s special squad’ on twitter?

    In other news.. here’s an awesome ‘old’ video I saw in the same thread.. about cars parking illegally in Lithuania – https://twitter.com/DavidZipper/status/1439595189534855172?s=20&t=q7JhI6npFiCrUj-5ZVLBQw

    Less Gene, more tanks!

    kthxbai

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    • IanMSpencer
      May 18, 2022 at 11:06 am
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      Someone needs to tweet them a
      Someone needs to tweet them a few of the choice pictures from the “Car crashes into building thread”.

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      • M20MAMIL
        May 18, 2022 at 11:48 am
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        Or the ‘Audis in Houses’ blog

        Or the ‘Audis in Houses’ blog

        https://aseasyasridingabike.wordpress.com/2015/12/26/audis-in-houses/amp/

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    • BalladOfStruth
      May 18, 2022 at 11:39 am
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      If they honestly want me to

      If they honestly want me to adjust my standard of cycling to match the standard of driving I encounter every day, I think I’m going to have to start by getting a blindfold.

      People are jut spamming their Twitter with pictures of crashed cars and KSI headlines and the hashtag #CycleLikeYouDrive.

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  5. eburtthebike
    May 18, 2022 at 12:54 pm
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    “Cycle like you drive, with

    “Cycle like you drive, with curtesy, care and within the law”

    If cyclists rode as badly as drivers drive, they would ignore the law, speed limits, vulnerable road users etc, and pedestrian deaths would rise.  The implication that drivers drive within the law is so utterly farcical that it’s hard to believe that it was written by a police officer.

    It clearly shows a complete lack of perspective, degree of risk and anti-cycling, pro-car bias; rather disturbing from people supposed to be keeping the vulnerable safe.  Even more so given the recent changes to the HC; maybe they haven’t reached Merseyside yet.

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    • Patrick9-32
      May 18, 2022 at 1:21 pm
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      Fun to see #cyclelikeyoudrive

      Fun to see #cyclelikeyoudrive being added to all of the twitter accounts posts of drivers doing horrifically dangerous things though. 

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      • Hirsute
        May 18, 2022 at 2:09 pm
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        ASP

         

        ASP Roads Policing

        https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FTCzq9UWAAIv97t?format=jpg&name=large

        https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FTCzq9aXsAEel1d?format=jpg&name=large

         

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        • brooksby
          May 18, 2022 at 2:40 pm
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          hirsute wrote:

          ASP Roads Policing

          https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FTCzq9UWAAIv97t?format=jpg&name=large

          https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FTCzq9aXsAEel1d?format=jpg&name=large

          — hirsute

          I’m sure someone will be along soon to explain how that’s the cyclist’s fault, how they should have backed off and doffed their cap, or something…  surprise

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          • eburtthebike
            May 18, 2022 at 5:09 pm
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            brooksby wrote:

            I’m sure someone will be along soon to explain how that’s the cyclist’s fault, how they should have backed off and doffed their cap, or something…  surprise

            — brooksbyAnother reason not to wear a helmet; you can’t doff your cap.  I’m pretty sure that all the NMOTD cyclists wore a helmet; case proved.

    • Velophaart_95
      May 18, 2022 at 1:25 pm
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      I have a theory that, the

      I have a theory that, the poor cyclists that you see, probably drive in the same way. If a person is an idiot, they behave that way whether they drive, or cycle.

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      • Patrick9-32
        May 18, 2022 at 3:24 pm
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        I cycle like far more of a

        I cycle like far more of a knobhead than I drive. Putting myself at risk on the bike is one thing but putting others at risk in the car is something I try to avoid. 

        Obviously, wherever possible I try to avoid doing things on the bike that put others at risk. 

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      • eburtthebike
        May 18, 2022 at 5:11 pm
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        Velophaart_95 wrote:

        I have a theory that, the poor cyclists that you see, probably drive in the same way. If a person is an idiot, they behave that way whether they drive, or cycle.

        — Velophaart_95

        It is likely that they drive worse, as on a bike they have some sense of vulnerability, which tempers their risk taking somewhat.  In a car with air bags, seat belts and impact protection, they don’t feel so vulnerable.

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  6. Hirsute
    May 18, 2022 at 10:37 pm
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    https://www.bournemouthecho
    https://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/news/20138199.cyclist-involved-four-incidents-week-says-drivers-need-careful/

    First 2 clear driver errors and careless. Third one was a bit of nothing.
    Comments are awful and show a lack of basic knowledge of road markings and how to drive.
    A number were unable to understand how the helmet cam was moving, so claimed the cyclist was wobbling all over the place !
    None could judge his speed either !!

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    • eburtthebike
      May 19, 2022 at 7:47 am
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      OMG; those comments!

      OMG; those comments!

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      • BalladOfStruth
        May 19, 2022 at 8:05 am
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        My favourite was the one

        My favourite was the one claiming that the cyclist had no reason to be angry because the woman (who was blasting across the cycle lane without looking – and presumably intended to do the same to the pavement) said sorry. If he’d have gotten to that gap a second earlier, he’d have been led on the pavement with two broken legs. Why is it unreasonable to be angry?

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  7. brooksby
    May 19, 2022 at 7:13 am
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    Why Do So Many News Articles

    Why Do So Many News Articles About Crashes Feel Like They Were Written by a Car?

    https://slate.com/business/2022/05/media-car-crashes-washington-post-pedestrians.html

     

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    • hawkinspeter
      May 19, 2022 at 8:52 am
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      brooksby wrote:

      Why Do So Many News Articles About Crashes Feel Like They Were Written by a Car?

      https://slate.com/business/2022/05/media-car-crashes-washington-post-pedestrians.html

      — brooksby

      The U.S. press is far worse than ours for driver bias, but then they’ve gone all-in on designing suburbs around mandatory car use.

      Incidentally, the U.S. has had a big spike (10% increase) in car-related deaths: https://arstechnica.com/cars/2022/05/us-road-deaths-increased-by-more-than-10-in-2021/

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  8. brooksby
    May 19, 2022 at 7:49 am
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    Why bike lanes don’t make

    Why bike lanes don’t make traffic worse – video (Grauniad)

    https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/video/2022/may/17/why-new-bike-lanes-dont-cause-traffic-jams-video

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Beryl 4 minutes ago

If the man can't turn his head to check his blind spot he shouldn't be on the road

in: Cycle path “creating a constant stream of arguments between drivers and cyclists” should be altered “so cyclists give way to vehicles”, demands councillor expelled from Reform UK
GravelIsNothingNew 49 minutes ago

Follow the road rules. Why is this even a discussion? Because the road rules are not adequately policed. …Solution: how about £100 fines for everyone flouting the road rules / risking cyclists lives on social media and in council chambers, as well as on the roads? That should stop this ongoing waste of time.

in: Cycle path “creating a constant stream of arguments between drivers and cyclists” should be altered “so cyclists give way to vehicles”, demands councillor expelled from Reform UK
jackcycles 8 hours ago

@Rendel Harris you've painted a rather alluring picture of social harmony there, but unfortunately you've got my name wrong. I'm Jack, not Nigel. However, to return the compliment, I must think of a story for you. I imagine you sat outside a pub, real ale and pipe propped on the adjacent table, in a similar fashion to Nigel Farage at his populist best. You turn to your wife. "You know what dear? I think I've been a bit harsh in my time. I've shunned the politeness and wisdom of others for too long and want to change my ways.* "There there Rendel", says Mrs Harris. "You're not a bad old stick, it's just living in London that's emptied your soul of kindness and compassion. I've found a lovely new place where we can settle down in our later years. It's on a leafy cul de sac, surrounded by friendly neighbours and smiling faces. There's a guy a couple of doors down, a remarkable man. As well as his towering intellect and rapier wit, he's also a keen cyclist, holding severa local KOMs. Don't be perturbed dear - he'll ride with anyone provided they show other road users the kindness and courtesy they deserve." Rendel turned emotionally, voice shaking. "Oh my dear, thank you for this second chance", and with that the rest of the pub goers turned and applauded the couple, throwing garlands of petals in their wake. The end.

in: Cycle path “creating a constant stream of arguments between drivers and cyclists” should be altered “so cyclists give way to vehicles”, demands councillor expelled from Reform UK
mattw 8 hours ago

As a Councillor, Edward needs to be paying some attention to all that parking obstructing visibility and manoeuvres at the junction, and sorting out those radii.

in: Cycle path “creating a constant stream of arguments between drivers and cyclists” should be altered “so cyclists give way to vehicles”, demands councillor expelled from Reform UK
mattw 9 hours ago

Ed Hill was chucked out by Reform in 2025, though TBF to him it was about how to run it rather than ideology I think. He is now reportedly closer to Advance UK, which is distinctly more extreme than Reform. I'd call this Alan Amos style attention seeking.

in: Cycle path “creating a constant stream of arguments between drivers and cyclists” should be altered “so cyclists give way to vehicles”, demands councillor expelled from Reform UK
Simon14 9 hours ago

Emily, thank you for such an insightful piece. I’m a man, but I enjoy watching the women’s races, possibly more than the men’s. The racing is so much closer, we rarely know who’s going to win. You painted a wonderful picture of how a true champion is able to ‘rise above’ setbacks and distractions, and focus their energy on the task in hand. ‘All’s fair in live and war -and sport, but always good to hear riders expressing their admiration for their competitors

in: Mentally and physically, Demi Vollering has shown why she is arguably the most complete rider we’ve ever seen at the Tour de France Femmes
Rendel Harris 10 hours ago

@Nigel Garage ...and then everyone applauded my courtesy and I waved courteously to all the people who were courteously throwing flowers and cheering and courteously waving flags that said "Nigel is the best!"

in: Cycle path “creating a constant stream of arguments between drivers and cyclists” should be altered “so cyclists give way to vehicles”, demands councillor expelled from Reform UK
ktache 11 hours ago

The picture from street view clearly shows give way lines from the roads to the green painted cycle/pedestrian lane. The road user should give way (or must...) to the user of the green lane. This would of course apply to any cyclist on the roadway.

in: Cycle path “creating a constant stream of arguments between drivers and cyclists” should be altered “so cyclists give way to vehicles”, demands councillor expelled from Reform UK
chrisonabike 11 hours ago

If I recall there is a cave or two along the route - perhaps they were sheltering from the heat in one of those having taken it for a Golf bunker?

in: “Why don’t you apologise? Don’t be so selfish”: CyclingMikey’s latest argument with pedestrian on shared use path sparks discussion; Local angry with cyclist “holding up the road” despite not being in lane; TdF Femmes debrief + more on the live blog
belugabob 12 hours ago

“So if there’s a cyclist travelling down the cycle path at the moment, from this position I can’t see them because my blind spots are too big on the left hand side of the vehicle”, claims Hill. Well, there's your problem, right there...🙄

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