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Impatient driver mounts pavement to overtake cyclists on 20mph road; Pidcock "pushed rider" during sprint, relegated by jury; Erik ten bar bag; Phil Gaimon targets legendary KOM; Fausto wants to get back in the saddle at Pinarello + more on the live blog

Two more days until the weekend, first up it's Thursday to contend with... Dan Alexander is ready and raring to go with your live blog updates...
16 February 2023, 15:52
Impatient driver mounts pavement to overtake cyclists on 20mph road

If ever you wanted to despair at the mindset of some people we share the roads with, just take a dive into the replies to this one...

It's not the first time we've covered the CyclingInASkirt account here on the live blog, back in November the rider, try not to eye roll, 'sparked debate' (as certain tabloids would say) about road positioning by uploading a video of a motorist's frantic braking to avoid hitting her as the driver pulled out of a parking space.

"This is why cyclists ride in the middle of the road," the rider concluded, only to be told in no uncertain terms by many an upset blue bird app user that cyclists should anticipate danger...

Yep, it's your fault we almost knocked you off.

16 February 2023, 17:36
It's those scary 15-minute cities again...

The live blog will be back tomorrow morning when we'll hopefully be able to confirm that Simon did manage to find his out alive... 

16 February 2023, 17:24
Racing round-up: Don't celebrate too early + Elisa Balsamo gets off the mark

A winning start to 2023 for the former world champion...

Elsewhere on the Iberian Peninsula, Magnus Cort taught Ilan Van Wilder a lesson in not celebrating too soon...

And thankfully it seems Tom P got through today's stage without catching the eye of the comissaires... 

16 February 2023, 15:27
Whitecliff-Baiter cycleway, Poole (credit - Marc Woodall, Twitter)
"Sunrise" cycle route at Whitley Bay still pending after council's proposal in 2021… with doctors now "begging" for it

We didn't expect doctors exposing local councils for inaction to be on today's live blog, but that's what's happening in North Tyneside.

More than 50 doctors and health professionals have penned a letter to the council urging them to get on with the seafront cycle lane on Whitley Bay, the BBC has reported.

The council had proposed a cycling route between Whitley Bay and North Shields in 2021, taking cyclists from St Mary's lighthouse to Tynemouth before connecting to North Shields Fish Quay and Northumberland Square. The North Tyneside Council even received £3.5m from Active Travel England and £750,000 from the cycling charity Sustrans for this plan.

The letter, penned by 54 current and retired NHS staff who also live in the area, said the "seafront 'sunrise' route" would: "Make people fitter, improve air-quality, help tackle global-warming and boost local tourism.

"We believe the project is vital for health and the environment.

"At a time when obesity, air pollution and climate change are costing lives, pushing ahead is a matter of urgency.

"We implore councillors to ensure work is not delayed any longer."

The council said in response that they are fully committed to the project and "a lot of work has been going on behind the scenes", and asked people to await an "announcement very soon" (for a project that's been left hanging for more than a year, it wasn't very clear how soon will be very soon).

Meanwhile, another doctor on Twitter highlighted the poor infrastructure for parking cyles in Whitley Bay.

And if you're wondering what does the "sunrise cycleway" look like after all, we've got you:

We know, makes us want to get up early and dash out on our bike too.

16 February 2023, 14:28
Tadej Pogačar goes three from three, wins stage two Vuelta a Andalucia Ruta Ciclista Del Sol

 Tadej Pogačar continued his imperious start to the 2023 season in Spain this afternoon, taking the second stage of Ruta Del Sol, his third win in as many races...

16 February 2023, 08:29
Tom Pidcock "pushed another rider" during sprint, relegated by race jury

Here's the incident...

And some have pointed to this one too...

Tom Pidcock relegated Volta ao Algarve (Eurosport)

Certainly not the worst we've seen but enough for the Volta ao Algarve commissaires to relegates Tom P from his fifth place on stage one all the way back to 135th. In truth it won't matter too much, Pidcock would not have got any bonus seconds for his original stage finish and he'll get the same GC time as everyone else in the peloton.

But hey, there's never a good day to be 200 Swiss francs (£180) lighter, is there? Well, I guess if you won the lottery you wouldn't care too much... (now I'm just going off on a tangent as usual)...

Ahead of Pidcock, Alexander Kristoff won the lumpy stage, beating Jordi Meeus in the sprint. Stage two later today looks right up the young Brit's street, finishing up Alto de Foia, a 7.7km climb averaging six per cent.

16 February 2023, 11:42
"I bolted DJ decks to my bike and this is what happened"

The ever-growing highlight reel of Dom Whiting's DnB escapedes...

16 February 2023, 11:27
"There's no-one I'd rather be barged out of the way by than Pidders": Reaction to Pidcock's afternoon on the naughty step

The important debate of the day — which pro rider would you most like to be barged out the way by? Miller reckons Pidcock is the obvious answer, but there could be other contenders... A Pozzovivo push? A Bardet bump? A Chaves collision? A knock from Knox? An Elissonde elbow?

Legin is unconvinced by the verdict... (the jury's that is, not Miller's...)

"There was nothing to see there apart from the normal movement you get in a sprint."

But lesterama replied: "Apart from the push. If Tom had backed off, no issue: could be argued as averting a crash. He was seen to take advantage during and after the push, so relegation was inevitable."

ChuckSneed: "Maybe the other rider shouldn't have gotten so close. Tom had his line and stuck to it."

16 February 2023, 11:19
Erik ten bar bag: United boss bringing a touch of Dutch to the North West

Live blog regular Harry Gray couldn't help but suggest Erik's adapting to life in Britain well, carrying "shopping on his handlebars instead of using a pannier bag". Got to admit, the precarious game of keeping one overfilled bag out your spokes is a personal favourite of mine. Up the difficulty by wrapping the bag around your wrist for a more secure base, but significantly less blood flow...

Maybe Erik and I need to have a read: Best pannier racks — all your bike luggage possibilities

16 February 2023, 10:37
A bike worthy of a world champ
16 February 2023, 10:03
"With a partner who believes in the project I think we could go a long way": Fausto considers getting back in the saddle at Pinarello
fausto pinarello and dave brailsford

According to a news report from Italy, Fausto Pinarello — the president with 20 per cent of the company set up by his father in the 50s — is tempted to buy back the bike manufacturer and "is thinking about it more than once".

Nordest Economia reports Fausto has a month and a half to make an offer to L Catterton, the current controlling shareholder with 80 per cent, and is looking for a partner to help fund it.

"It's normal for a fund to want to leave after six years," he said about their exit. "I'm giving it a little thought and with a partner who believes in the project I think we could go a long way. The sector works and we are happy. And I am more than willing to continue to pass on the tradition."

Don't look at us Fausto, we don't have the pennies to buy a Pinarello, let alone the whole thing...

16 February 2023, 09:55
Cycling UK urges people to give up the car for short local journeys for Lent

Plus it means you can load up on carbs on Shrove Tuesday...

16 February 2023, 09:13
Phil Gaimon targets a legendary KOM

Assuming Gaimon lands on the Col de la Madone via Gorbio segment like most people are suggesting he'll have a certain Richie Porte to beat, who set his top time of 24:23 in May 2016 two months before finishing fifth at the Tour de France.

Of course, just as football did not begin in 1992, cycling existed before Strava segments and KOMs and the Madone was one of Lance Armstrong's favourite training climbs back when he lived in Nice.

The top times the pros talk of is for a longer ascent, Lance's best (30:47) ahead of the 1999 Tour, Tom Danielson beating it by 21 seconds.

"I think the previous time I set was a 30:14, or 30:24, in 2013. Then Froomey got 30:09, and I did 29:40 last year," Porte explained in 2015. Those times were for the longer 13.6km ascent, but if 37-year-old, retired Gaimon can top this leaderboard we'll certainly not begrudge him his KOM...

Col de la Madone Strava leaderboard

 

Dan joined road.cc in 2020, and spent most of his first year (hopefully) keeping you entertained on the live blog. At the start of 2022 he took on the role of news editor. Before joining road.cc, Dan wrote about various sports, including football and boxing for the Daily Express, and covered the weird and wonderful world of non-league football for The Non-League Paper. Part of the generation inspired by the 2012 Olympics, Dan has been 'enjoying' life on two wheels ever since and spends his weekends making bonk-induced trips to the petrol stations of the south of England.

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antigee | 1 year ago
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..."on 20mph road..." that should read "on a road with a 20mph (speed) limit" surely Shirley ? Language impacts attitudes

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Bfg | 1 year ago
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I wonder how many of the commissaires have ridden in a bunch, let alone been in a bunch sprint. That wasn't a push from Tom Pidcock, that was a warning to let the other rider know he was there. It's normal and prevents crashes

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belugabob | 1 year ago
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"To be fair, I'm none of those things but don't really understand where the whole 15-minute city thing has come from, or whether it's meant to be good or bad."

Maybe it's just that you're young enough to only have experienced a world where people are empowered/enthralled by travelling everywhere by car..

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Roulereo replied to belugabob | 1 year ago
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Not sure what age has to do with it. It's an inconvenient truth that empowerment of a huge portion of the Chinese population has gone from virtually starving to all buying the latest car. 

Why is the car the enemy? Why does my car travel have to stop because Prince Harry or Greta Thunberg says so?

I think the over reach of all forms of government and bureacracy has been given a boost from Covid, where hysteria can be peddled to bring about new forms of control to the way you want it. Mandates for only vaccinated people to be able to work, or enter certain countries, for example.

The removal of freedom is rarely given back easily. 

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BIRMINGHAMisaDUMP replied to Roulereo | 1 year ago
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The car is not the 'enemy'. It's about achieving balance. And at the moment there is none. Cities are entirely dominated by car users who, most often, are a minority in the urban realm. Your 'freedom' to drive means that children don't have the freedom to cycle to school, or I don't have the freedom to breathe cleaner air, or that my neighbour doesn't have the freedom to cycle to work because there is nowhere to lock her bike or safe infrastructure for her to use.  Try, for example, taking a bike to a supermarket - try and find the bike parking. It's non existent, or hidden in a dark, dingy corner whilst acres and acres is given over so you have the 'freedom' to park a vehicle and clog up all the local roads. The roads should be everyone - not just large vehicles. 

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hawkinspeter replied to BIRMINGHAMisaDUMP | 1 year ago
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BIRMINGHAMisaDUMP wrote:

The car is not the 'enemy'.

Or is it?

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Ohayo replied to Roulereo | 1 year ago
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Funny how you see giving people choice of transport and equalising transport access as 'the removal of freedom'. I see it as the complete opposite, it's about returning a freedom of choice we once had, where bicyces, cars, trams, trains, walking were all on the whole equal choices. You're so stuck in the car-centric mindset you can't imagine another way - the 'is ought fallacy' perhaps?

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ktache replied to Roulereo | 1 year ago
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You have the freedom to sit in traffic jams.

It's been carmaggedon out there most of the week...

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Flintshire Boy | 1 year ago
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Ref. North Tyneside Council;

A Lay Bah Council. A LAAAAY Bah Council.

And a Lay Bah Mayor. A LAAAAY Bah Mayor.

And still they don't act in the interests of cyclists. How can that possibly be???

Administration
  Labour (51)
  Conservative (6)
  Independent (3)

Mayor Norma Redfearn, Labour

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Davidb67 | 1 year ago
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Curious to know the location of the photo in the article about the Sunrise cycle route, because it certainly isn't Whitley Bay, or Tynemouth, or anywhere within 10 miles of either, as a reader might well deduce it is meant to be. Lazy journalism alive and well...

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JohnP_SM7 replied to Davidb67 | 1 year ago
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Yep,  as a former resident of Whitley Bay, I wondered where that pic was too. 

But hover over the image and the 'alt' text shows, "Whitecliff-Baiter cycleway, Poole."  Heck,  that's 'only' 300 miles away from Whitley Bay,  and the first 4 letters of the name match...  3

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brooksby | 1 year ago
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Does anyone remember that story about "criminal mischief" in New York, when the police were going to prosecute someone for removing stuff which was illegally obscuring a car's licence plate?

Anyhoo, Streetsblog has a new story on it at https://nyc.streetsblog.org/2023/02/09/exclu-driver-who-sicced-nypd-on-l... and have said that the owner of the car was, to nobody's great surprise, "cop adjacent":

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The driver who called police on attorney Adam White after he fixed the obscured license plate on a Chevy SUV in November is cozy with law enforcement, Streetsblog has learned.

Sholem Klein, whose name only became public when White filed a notice of claim against him for wrongful arrest on Thursday night, is the head of the Rockaway Nassau Safety Patrol. The 44-year-old lives in Nassau County and patrols parts of eastern Queens and southwestern Long Island in a black SUV equipped with flashing lights and tinted windows as the leader of a local Shomrim group — a controversial volunteer patrol group that works in tandem with police.

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wtjs replied to brooksby | 1 year ago
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when the police were going to prosecute someone for removing stuff which was illegally obscuring a car's licence plate?

Not up here, they weren't! Obscuring the number plate is an industry in Lancashire, accepted as a harmless jest by the police. This is K141 GAO

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Secret_squirrel replied to wtjs | 1 year ago
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Tbf Lanc rozzers are far to busy outing vulnerable missing persons to the media, to cover their arses,  to worry about a silly little number plate.

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wtjs replied to Secret_squirrel | 1 year ago
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Tbf Lanc rozzers are far too busy outing vulnerable missing persons to the media, to cover their arses,  to worry about a silly little number plate

You're right! What was I thinking in even noticing this?- naturally, I don't report illegal plates as there are so many here. They're so so busy that even vehicles without MOT and insurance for 4 years 7 months, and untaxed for 4 years 9 months don't divert them from their ceaseless toil

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ktache replied to Secret_squirrel | 1 year ago
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Whe even Sue Ellen thinks it was a bit much you know you must have gone too far...

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DoomeFrog | 1 year ago
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How long before someone points out the ETH is on the wrong side of the road if in  Manchester?

Oh........

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brooksby | 1 year ago
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In praise of the ‘15-minute city’ – the mundane planning theory terrifying conspiracists (Graunida)

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/feb/16/15-minute-city-pla...

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There’s an international socialist conspiracy afoot, and it wants to make it easier to walk to the shops. Fringe forces of the far left are plotting to take away our freedom to be stuck in traffic jams, to crawl along clogged ring roads and trawl the streets in search of a parking spot. The liberty of the rush-hour commute, the sanctity of the out-of-town shopping centre and the righteousness of the suburban food desert is under threat as never before. The name of this chilling global movement? The “15-minute city”.

(edit: just to be clear, that was the writer's sarcastic opening paragraph, not what he actually thinks!)

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Roulereo replied to brooksby | 1 year ago
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I'm not sure that cynical sneering and sarcastic comments about the opposing argument helps yours, or anyone's views of the issue. Especially if that is quoting from a Left wing mainstream media hack that heartily backs any actual socialist agenda items being pushed. Given the recent history of mandated "vaccines" and the behaviour of the Tories under Lockdowns, allows anyone to reasonably question the agendas being pushed undemocratically on us? 

Lazily rehashing tweets might be the standard for reporting here now, but snarky tweets into an echo chamber of like-minded types is not reasoned discussion or analysis of an issue. Blindly calling somone a conspiracy theorist is facile and self entitled. 

My understanding is the 15 minute city concept is based on restrictions and borders, and controlling any entry/exit to motor vehicle traffic. It dictates to the proletariat what they can and can't have inside their 15 minute city. I'm happy to be informed otherwise on that. 

Doesn't that push the problem of traffic outside, down the road (literally), and create a have's & have not's scenario for those based on where you live?

How do these restrictions stop traffic jams exactly? 

What's to stop a Council from putting different/more measures in place at the border of its area ("15 minute city")? Facial recognition and social credit score is used effectively in China to prevent movement also, resulting in blocking 'unwanteds' from buying train tickets for example. Is that the technology you want to use?   

Big tech seemed good when we were all scared of a pendemic, we only had to flatten the curve for two weeks, etc. and when it seems to align with your ideology. But seeing the evidence from the Twitter Files (of the US government moderating content, FBI deleting tweets and shadow banning certain posters, to directly running influence campaigns on Syria and Yemen) and various examples of misuse, Big Tech can easily blow back against you.  

 

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RDaneel replied to Roulereo | 1 year ago
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Can I ask where your "understanding"  of the concept comes from? As I haven't seen what you describe except from let's say less than reputable sources (Jordan Peterson for example). If I look at what some experts in the field of urban planning suggest (Brent Toderian for example) the idea is nothing like you understand.  

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giff77 replied to Roulereo | 1 year ago
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I'm thinking that you've probably fallen down that conspiracy rabbit hole.
 

Almost everywhere I've lived shops, pubs, schools etc have all been within a 15 minute walk (5 by bike). Growing up we walked or cycled everywhere. The car was used to get dad to work or to visit relatives on the other side of town. The '15minute town' is not about restricting peoples travel by car but challenging them if their journey by car really necessary. 
 

I have a friend who would sooner make a 3 mile round trip by car to Morrisons rather than walk a 1 mile round route. Another friend would rather drive 1 mile to work rather than walk.  One of our commenters has pointed out that their neighbour drives their little darlings 500metres to school. 

By changing mindsets towards the use of car will benefit society. Less pollution, better health, quieter streets. These are just some of the advantages. 

 

Stw

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ktache replied to giff77 | 1 year ago
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And therefore less traffic and congestion for those who absolutely have to drive.

Including those less than able whom only seem to concern motorists when any thought is put into maybe, just maybe, making it just a little bit more difficult to drive. But no concern when parked or waiting in a disabled parking space...

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Miller | 1 year ago
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There's no-one I'd rather be barged out of the way by than Pidders.

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ChuckSneed | 1 year ago
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Maybe the other rider shouldn't have gotten so close. Tom had his line and stuck to it

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Legin replied to ChuckSneed | 1 year ago
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There was nothing to see there apart from the normal movement you get in a sprint.

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lesterama replied to Legin | 1 year ago
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Apart from the push. If Tom had backed off, no issue: could be argued as averting a crash. He was seen to take advantage during and after the push, so relegation was inevitable.

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