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Burton cyclist complains of repeated near misses because temporary lights don't account for cyclists

Says oncoming drivers gestured at him as if he’d gone through on red

A Burton cyclist says he has suffered a series of near misses recently while riding through temporary traffic lights in the town. Andrew Leach says the lights don't seem to recognise cyclists are passing through and frequently change before he is clear.

The Derby Telegraph reports that on September 3, Leach stopped at temporary lights in Henhurst Hill, and, "waited endlessly for it to turn green".

He said: "After nearly being crushed by an articulated lorry coming down the hill through the lights, we decided to move to the other side of the road, get off, and walk up the pavement. Immediately the lights turned green as we moved diagonally across the road."

Another time, in Newton Solney, Leach set off on green only to be confronted with oncoming traffic before he had cleared the roadworks.

"Again, a head-on collision was avoided, by us manoeuvring to within the traffic cones," he said.

On September 13, he and his partner turned right off Rosliston Road after waiting for a green light. "Then, literally seconds later, the opposing stationary traffic set off towards us. Luckily at that point on the bridge it was wide enough that we were able to move over to the left to avoid a head-on collision.

"Despite the Highway Code's advice that the stationary traffic should only proceed when the way was clear, annoyingly we also had to suffer at least one driver waving their hands in disapproval at us, as if we had gone through on red."

Leach continued: "The dangerous issue seems to be that the sensors attached to these lights don't recognise the presence of bicycles, which means that it is only safe for a cyclist to pass through these temporary lights if they are preceded by a car, or follow a car.

"This is clearly ridiculous, and unacceptable. As a council tax payer, I should be able to use the roads without fear of injury, abuse, or even of death. It's also ironic that traffic lights are actually supposed to be a safety feature."

David Williams, cabinet member for transport and highways at Staffordshire County Council said most permanent traffic lights would take cyclists into account.

"Issues with temporary traffic signals can be reported to us or raised directly with the company undertaking the work, whose details should always be displayed on site.

"But of course, we would always ask drivers to drive carefully and allow cyclists the necessary time and space to move around safely."

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Hirsute | 3 years ago
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I usually look for a opportunity to use the pavement or cycle the wrong side of the cones. If I have to cycle on the 'wrong side' of the road I try and bail out before the cones end to the other side of the cones, so that drivers can get past more easily, as it makes me feel safer.

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Judge dreadful | 3 years ago
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A while back, there were some temporary roadworks on a forest road near me ( by Ipley Heath crossroads in the new forest if anyone knows it ) and that had a similar issue. The lights went green in a cyclists favour, and before you'd cleared the roadworks ( even making a serious effort ) the lights had changed against you, and you'd get the customary Neanderthal in a van driving straight at you and calling you all sorts of things for "jumping the lights".

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David9694 replied to Judge dreadful | 3 years ago
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A regular occurrence on ascending Lode Hill 

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eburtthebike replied to Judge dreadful | 3 years ago
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Did you report it to whoever was responsible for the road works?

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miekwidnes | 3 years ago
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I have had this at several sets of temporary lights - nowadays I ride round these on the pavement if this is possible.

One one occaision there was a set near a local power station - there was a wall on the left and fencing for the roadworks on the right - and just the single lane between the lights

I went through the lights just in front of about the 3rd car in the line when they went green.

The cars all passed me but by the time I reached about 50 yards from the the far end (it was quite a long section) apparently the far end light had gone green - so the car in front started down the lane - directly at me - followed by a van and then a big lorry.

If I had let teh traffic, especially the lorry, continue on then I would have been seriously close to gettting run over or squashed between the wall and the traffic - so I did the only thing I could and rode directly up the middle of the lane - this forcing the car to stop.

My plan was to go up the left of him (UK - we drive correctly here) - but the van driver had other idea and deliberatly moved as close to the wall as possible to be an a****le.

Luckily the roadwork fence ended just before the car so I could ride up the middle the swing right through some bollards - then swing left between some cars behind the lorry before they restarted

I probably had a lot of people swearing at me!!

 

Who was at fault???

Basically the car driver should not have started befroe I got past him - but he did the right thing by stopping when he realised - why he saw me I don;t know - clear sunny day and I was wearing a hi-vis jacket

The van mucked it all up by deliberatly blocking my path on the left (his right)

 

I complained to the counsel - which made no difference as the works finished before anything could be changed

 

A similar - but less serious - thing has happened a few times - so now I go past on pavements where possible

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Titanus | 3 years ago
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"But of course, we would always ask drivers to drive carefully and allow cyclists the necessary time and space to move around safely."

But ofcourse they would also ask dogs to ignore freshly cooked meat that has been left within their reach.

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matlockmark | 3 years ago
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This is a particular problem when the roadworks are on a hill; the temporary lights never allow enough time for me to grind my way up to the far side. The best approach is to make sure there is a car behind you: take the lane to make sure they can't pass. Then the on-coming drivers will:

a) hopefully try to avoid a head-on collision with the following car, hence avoid one with me

b) hopefully realise that the lights changed whilst I made my slow progress through the road works

 

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Titanus replied to matlockmark | 3 years ago
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matlockmark wrote:

The best approach is to make sure there is a car behind you: take the lane to make sure they can't pass.

WTF? That sounds about as safe as trying to snog a rotweiler.

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OnTheRopes replied to Titanus | 3 years ago
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Nope, that actually makes sense

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Miller | 3 years ago
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In Reading and doubtless many other places there are permanent traffic lights that don't trigger for cyclists. Either you wait for a car, or pretend to be a pedestrian, or go when you can and risk hatred from some vehicle-born twat.

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Tommytrucker replied to Miller | 3 years ago
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You can report these using Fixmystreets, similar to how you report potholes, usually only requires an adjustment to the sensors. Usually sorted within a few weeks, well it was pre covid.

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OldRidgeback replied to Miller | 3 years ago
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There's one set of traffic lights here in S London that only registers that there's a car present if the driver creeps forward into the ASL. The system doesn't spot either cyclists or motorcyclists. 

I'll contact FixMyStreets.

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fwhite181 | 3 years ago
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There's a set of lights at the bottom of the Wye valley that are notorious for this. I suspect most of the Road.cc crew are aware (anyone who cycles Bath->Monmouth will be!). The council's solution: a sign that says 'motorists: beware of oncoming cyclists'. So now the car that kills you will piloted by someone who was aware that they were going to kill you! 

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Jetmans Dad replied to fwhite181 | 3 years ago
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fwhite181 wrote:

So now the car that kills you will piloted by someone who was aware that they were going to kill you! 

That's important, I think. 

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OnTheRopes replied to fwhite181 | 3 years ago
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There is a set of permanent lights on a steep hill in the Peak District, quite a long stretch of steep uphill for a cyclist. Along it's length there are either cameras or sensors or something and it holds the oncoming traffic until you are through, or at least that it what seems to happen.

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Hirsute replied to OnTheRopes | 3 years ago
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Or you are just a really fast climber !

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OnTheRopes replied to Hirsute | 3 years ago
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You spotted my attempt at modesty then?  3

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ouesbubo | 3 years ago
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I also experienced near misses on the same stretch of roadworks in Newton Solney. Reported to the local police as number on the traffic lights didn't work, said that they'd investigate but nothing changed. Frustrating that cycles are not prioritised in any situation

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alchemilla | 3 years ago
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I've had this problem too, and on long stretches you can't always see to the other end if the road bends round. I've always thought the lights were set to allow a few fast moving cars through but never allow long enough for cycles. If you're in a queue of cars that's an issue too, as they can't pass you.

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mdavidford | 3 years ago
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I've had this with temporary lights at roadworks (and been abused by a cyclist coming the other way for 'going through the red light' ), but I don't think there was anything as sophisticated as a sensor involved - just a set delay between the change to red at one end and the change to green at the other that assumes that nothing is going to be travelling at less than 30mph.

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alexls replied to mdavidford | 3 years ago
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mdavidford wrote:

just a set delay between the change to red at one end and the change to green at the other that assumes that nothing is going to be travelling at less than 30mph.

Quite so.  I watched a guy setting up a set of temporary lights the other day.  He basically watched the (motor) traffic pass between the two points and set the delay according to that.

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danhopgood replied to alexls | 3 years ago
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Being someone who manages roadworks, I'm aware there is an industry code of practice:  Safety at Streetworks, which states that consideration must be given to "the needs of cyclists and other vulnerable road users".  There is a dilema though in that setting the "all red" timer for cyclists going uphill,  will inevitably result in longer delays for traffic waiting at the other end of the restriction.  If traffic is made to wait too long the traffic lights are more likely to be abused with issues like tailgating traffic going through at red at the end of the green phase.   As a cyclist, I'm wary of such setups anyway - as there are all sorts of other issues like being overtaken in narrow lanes.  My general policy on these things is to use the footway if there is one to bypass the carruiageway completely - obviously dismounting if there are others using the footway.

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happyjonster replied to danhopgood | 3 years ago
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Helpful comment, thanks. I'm just amazed there's nothing more sophisticated out there these days that can distinguish between different types of road user and modify light timings accordingly.

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eburtthebike replied to danhopgood | 3 years ago
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With your knowledge and experience, can you tell us if there is a maximum permitted distance between the two sets of lights?  This seems to be getting longer, which obviously makes it more likely a cyclist will get caught halfway through.  I appreciate that there are other operational considerations, but if safety is paramount, then, um, it's paramount.

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AlsoSomniloquism replied to eburtthebike | 3 years ago
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300m apparently. However it is only recommended maximum although local authoritires might enforce it more.
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploa...
 

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eburtthebike replied to AlsoSomniloquism | 3 years ago
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AlsoSomniloquism wrote:

300m apparently. However it is only recommended maximum although local authoritires might enforce it more.
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploa...
 

Thanks.  So assuming the lights change as you enter the system, and there is a five second lag before the lights change, how fast can you ride 250m?

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AlsoSomniloquism replied to eburtthebike | 3 years ago
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I would say the lag programmed probably depends on the road factors. They indicate a pink book to determine it in that document. However assuming 15mph average, most cyclists would need 50 seconds to clear 300m. 

However as with any traffic lights, if you are already past the line on green, then any traffic entering the controlled space have to give way to you. Of course that won't happen but just stating. 

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