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Live blog: Strava cuts ties with Relive, says new updates violate contract; road.cc’s John puts BBC straight on how bikes stay upright + more
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Froome experiencing major FOMO ahead of Tour's toughest stage
Massive FOMO today
Won my first @letour stage on La Planche des Belles Filles in 2012. What I wouldn’t give to be there racing it today
Please smash it @TeamINEOS https://t.co/3QVjDxbcEb— Chris Froome (@chrisfroome) 11 July 2019
That’s ‘fear of missing out’ if you weren’t aware, as stage six heads towards the place where Froome won his first Tour de France stage back in 2012.
Peter Sagan double-header
Stage victory #12 at @letourdefrance ! Photo @paulineballet / ASO
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Sagan was back to his best yesterday, taking stage five in emphatic style – and once more gave something back to his eyewear sponsor 100% by donning one of their ski masks.
You can trust what I say… I’m on TV. #itsyouonlyfaster @iamspecialized @iamspecialized_turbo
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In other Sagan news, here he is convincing us the world is flat thanks to the Specialized range of e-bikes. The man can do no wrong…
Sir Dave Brailsford plays down rumours that he's set to step down as Ineos cycling team manager to take on wider role for the company


Ineos CEO Jim Radcliffe is known to be an admirer of his new cycling team’s general manager, and it was reported yesterday evening in the Telegraph that Brailsford could be set for a new role that would see him oversee all of Ineos’ sporting interests – which is growing at an alarming rate, having just purchased French League 1 football club Nice.
However, the Guardian reports that Brailsford was dismissive of the rumours when speaking to press before yesterday’s Tour de France stage, saying he doesn’t want to leave cycling completely: “You are constantly looking for things to challenge you and push you on. I don’t want to leave cycling, I love it too much, but equally I think this could be quite a challenge and it feels really invigorating.”
Brailsford is already set to be involved in Eliud Kipchoge’s second attempt to break two hours in the marathon , which is being organised by Ineos and will take place in Austria this October – do you think Brailsford will be tempted by a new challenge, and would the team be as successful without him?
Huge doping probe by Europol results in 234 arrests and 3.8 million substances seized


A big investigation by Europol, the European Union’s law enforcement agency, has led to a huge seizure of doping substances and led to 234 arrests, according to their press release. In all the bust shut down 17 organised groups, stopped operation at nine underground labs and seized 3.8 million doping substances and counterfeit medicines. Mario Thevis, head of Europol’s doping analysis lab in Cologne, said: “We learn from the case that obviously there is a big market. Only if there is a large market will imports and structures of this kind be built.“
It follows on from Operation Aderlass, when a number of pro cyclists and cross country skiers were caught in raids across Germany and Austria. No names in cycling have been implicated yet, but we’ll update if there are further developments.
Sagan's dad is pure gold
Well, @petosagan if we don’t see you on the start line bright and early, we know where you’ll be! #TDF2019 @BORAhansgrohe pic.twitter.com/6Ops3w1qn8
— Le Tour de France UK (@letour_uk) 10 July 2019
After three world championships and 11 stage victories at the Tour de France, it’s (sort of) lovely to see Peter Sagan’s old man acting like a complete loon celebrating his son’s twelfth TDF stage victory!
Strava vs Relive - Strava users no longer able to share Relive 3D videos of their uploads on the platform due to 'violation of terms'
So, this sucks… See what’s up (or down): https://t.co/XbHooFfuLy pic.twitter.com/kIsmchK9Nz
— Relive (@relivecc) 11 July 2019
If you’re on Strava’s mailing list, you may have noticed an email last night announcing that they will no longer be working with the 3D video sharing platform Relive: “The current version of Relive violates several of the terms that we ask of our API partners.
“We’ve worked hard with Relive to try to fix this, but they have ultimately chosen not to make the changes needed to honour the agreement. So as of today, Strava will no longer send your activities to Relive for playback.”
Relive have responded with a statement this morning, claiming that Strava weren’t happy about new social features that are included on the latest release of the Relive app:
“We thought we had a thing. Until last week. After launching our first social features, we received a very unexpected message threatening to pull the plug. Given our long-term partnership, we immediately rolled back the changes like they requested.
We then tried to call, email, and talk this out with Strava. No response, except for new ultimatums and threats about our existing features they’ve applauded for years. It’s sad to see them suddenly go and we’re bummed about this, just like you. We like Strava’s product and we’ve been working with them for more than 3 years.
Nothing has changed about how Relive uses and protects your data or how we use their API. We’re working to make sure you can keep your current and past activities on Relive. We believe this is your data and you should decide how it’s used. After all, it’s your legs doing all the work!”
For any Relive users who currently use the app via Strava, you will now have to share the activities by connecting it using compatible Garmin, Suunto or Polar devices instead.
Do Strava think Relive are getting too big for their boots by trying to roll out additional features that may jeopardise their status as the biggest social platform for athletes; or does this mean Strava may introduce a Relive-type feature of their own in the future? We’ve asked Strava for comment.
Adam Blythe rides today's brutal TdF stage finish on a Brompton - and pops a wheelie
How do you make a devastating climb look easy? Wheelie your way up… @AdamBlythe89 tackles La Planche des Belles Filles in the stage six recon finish #TDF2019 #TheBreakaway pic.twitter.com/mizH7BRwhs
— Eurosport UK (@Eurosport_UK) July 11, 2019
Dylan Teuns victorious on brutal stage 6 summit finish
Victory for @dylan_teuns!
Victoire pour @dylan_teuns !#TDF2019 pic.twitter.com/ySZiNdNMP7— Tour de France (@LeTour) 11 July 2019
Behind him, Geraint Thomas made up some time over other GC contenders with a very strong finish on the savage gradients and Giulio Ciccone put himself in the yellow jersey – full story to follow.
Strava vs Relive continued


With both sides blaming the other, Strava have made a new statement in response to Relive’s, standing by their view that Relive broke API terms by using the data of Strava members. Here’s the statement in full:
“We have strict standards for how our API partners utilise our member data. We deeply respect the trust of our member community and expect our partners to do the same.
“Relive’s current use of Strava member data violates our API agreement and we have ended its integration with Strava. We are disappointed that Relive was unwilling to make the changes necessary to comply with the agreement.”
The BBC tries to explain how a bicycle stays upright - and road.cc's John Stevenson points out where they went wrong
With bikes in the news after Channel 5’s portrayal of us cyclists as lawless killers, the BBC has gone after a bit of cycling-related website traffic with an article that asks the question ‘How does a bike stay upright?’
Good question, you might say, and it is. But unfortunately the article doesn’t get even close to answering it, and makes at least one serious error while failing to reach that destination.
After quite a lot of waffle about the gyroscopic effect of a spinning wheel, the piece concludes that this isn’t actually what keeps a bike upright as it rolls along. It cites Dr Hugh Hunt from the University of Cambridge, as having built bikes with extra, contra-rotating wheels cancelling out the gyro effect of the wheels on the ground. Turns out they’re still stable.
Rider skill, the article concludes, is what keeps a bike upright, which would be fine if it weren’t for the fact that you can push a riderless bike off down a slope and above a certain speed it will keep going.
As well as failing to explain what keeps a moving bike upright, the Beeb repeats common misconception about wheels. It says: “when you sit on the bike, the axle pulls down on the rim and acts like an arch … you are, in effect, hanging off the rim of the wheel.”
Except you’re not. If that was how wheels worked, then the upper spokes in a loaded wheel would have higher tension than when not loaded. A few minutes with a spoke tensiometer reveals that they don’t change, but in fact the tension in the lower spokes reduces.
This matters because it implies something important about building wheels: high tension is good. If the tension in a spoke drops to zero, the nipple is free to turn, allowing the wheel to go out of true. If several spokes end up with zero tension, the wheel can collapse because the spokes are no longer holding the rim in place.
A good wheelbuilder therefore builds with as much spoke tension as the rim can take, and well-designed rims have sturdy spoke beds to take the load from the nipples. If spokes increased in tension when a wheel’s loaded none of this would matter, but observation confirms that under-tensioned wheels quickly develop problems and high-tension wheels don’t.
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I think the Santander / Knowledge hook up is great. Hopefully a lot of potential cabbies will use it and thereby get some empathy with their ‘knowledge’. Cabbies think they own the roads in London. They are not the worst, but they do like to pass very close, manoeuvre without signalling and just stop wherever it suits them. A year on a cycle might help them to understand what it’s like when a line of waiting cabs is idling on a cycle route blocking the lane as they wait for a fare.
The 1960g weight in the top of the article is incorrect, although it is correctly quoted at the bottom of the article at 1124g. This seems excessive for a front rack though where any extra weight will not only make the bike harder to pedal but also affect the handling. Many low rider racks weigh around half a kilo and titanium front racks weigh less than 350g. A competitor's equivalent similarly priced rack offering storage above the wheel is nearly 350g lighter.
@mitsky I can't reply to your reply so I'm trying this. Thank you for the info. I was under the impression that driving on a pavement is an offence in it's own right so I assume it would have a different code. In Gloucestershire the police seem to be very reluctant to take action on video evidence of pavement driving so may be it's a national thing. It's a real pain trying to second guess what the police will take action on.
Wait - I thought every comment posted on the internet went direct to the appropriate authorities *? You're saying they don't? * The police, the prime minister, the pope - or for truly serious global issues the ultimate authority Elon Musk.
Agree re speed limiting. Why is there no mention of 25km/hr limit in the article?
Does anyone know if ‘the police’ even read all these Roadcc road safety articles? Does anyone send them all to the relevant authorities on a daily basis? …if not we’re all wasting our breath.
@KiwiMike The pannier carrying capacity is similar 18kg vs 15kg. The quote was about carrying panniers not the deck. That aside I agree they are not really comparable but for different reasons: - the Tubus Duo is made of chromoly steel which won't crack anywhere near as easily as an aluminium rack - and to demonstrate Tubus' belief in their products they offer a 30-year guarantee vs the Old Man Mountain's "reasonable lifetime of the product" warranty which is entirely up to OMM whatever that means.
If you crash, obvs. If a weld fails or a boss cracks five years hence, chances are they’ll warranty it.
That’s … really not even comparable. In therms of weight capacity, mounting, top stowage, light mounting, etc. As per article, you can get the mass a fair way rearward of the axle using the OMM rack.
@Rendel Harris Hmm.... I stand corrected. I still think Obree had a /lot/ more talent. And Jan-Willem today clearly has dropped in levels, relative to those he's racing against.
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that peter fella is gold for
that peter fella is gold for our sport
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Redvee wrote:
i read it as “Relieve” and was thinking “top spots to pee while you’re riding- that’s brilliant”
“If that was how wheels
“If that was how wheels worked, then the upper spokes in a loaded wheel would have higher tension than when not loaded. A few minutes with a spoke tensiometer reveals that they don’t change, but in fact the tension in the lower spokes reduces.”
This doesn’t make sense. First part of the sentence says the tension doesn’t change, then after the comma says tension reduces. If you are going to criticise other people’s errors make sure your correction makes sense!
pruaga wrote:
I think it’s meant that the tension in the upper spokes doesn’t change whereas the tension in the lower spokes does change.