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road.cc live blog: abominable bus driving and more

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by Simon_MacMichael

Thu, Dec 07, 2017 12:40

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Simon joined road.cc as news editor in 2009 and is now the site’s community editor, acting as a link between the team producing the content and our readers. A law and languages graduate, published translator and former retail analyst, he has reported on issues as diverse as cycling-related court cases, anti-doping investigations, the latest developments in the bike industry and the sport’s biggest races. Now back in London full-time after 15 years living in Oxford and Cambridge, he loves cycling along the Thames but misses having his former riding buddy, Elodie the miniature schnauzer, in the basket in front of him.

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brooksby

December 7, 2017 at 12:44 pm

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I’d love to know what (if

I’d love to know what (if anything!) was going through that bus driver’s mind as they approached a red light with a bike stopped in front of them… Glad the rider wasn’t injured
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- Hug
  
  December 7, 2017 at 1:51 pm
  
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  brooksby wrote:
  
  I’d love to know what (if anything!) was going through that bus driver’s mind as they approached a red light with a bike stopped in front of them… Glad the rider wasn’t injured
  
  — brooksby
  
  I would imagine it was complete surprise – to find one of these damned cyclists not jumping a red light – after all don’t they all jump red lights all of the time!
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RoubaixCube

December 7, 2017 at 1:04 pm

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That Fuji bike isnt ‘totalled

That Fuji bike isnt ‘totalled’.

totalled means completely written off. In the picture, the frame is completely fine as are the forks, the front wheel, BB, Cranks/crank set and shifters.

All she would need is a new rear wheel, cassette, rear derailleur, new chain and the bikes ready to go again as soon as you’ve tubed and tyre’d up.

I estimate the damage is going to cost at least £200-300 to repair but the bike is in no way a complete write off. It just needs nursing back to health.

However… If TFL want to pay for a new bike then thats also very a very welcome outcome.

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- don simon fbpe
  
  December 7, 2017 at 1:17 pm
  
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  RoubaixCube wrote:
  
  That Fuji bike isnt ‘totalled’.
  
  totalled means completely written off. In the picture, the frame is completely fine as are the forks, the front wheel, BB, Cranks/crank set and shifters.
  
  All she would need is a new rear wheel, cassette, rear derailleur, new chain and the bikes ready to go again as soon as you’ve tubed and tyre’d up.
  
  I estimate the damage is going to cost at least £200-300 to repair but the bike is in no way a complete write off. It just needs nursing back to health.
  
  However… If TFL want to pay for a new bike then thats also very a very welcome outcome.
  
  — RoubaixCube
  
  Bloody hell! You’ve got good eyesight.
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  - RoubaixCube
    
    December 7, 2017 at 1:58 pm
    
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    don simon wrote:
    
    That Fuji bike isnt ‘totalled’.
    
    totalled means completely written off. In the picture, the frame is completely fine as are the forks, the front wheel, BB, Cranks/crank set and shifters.
    
    All she would need is a new rear wheel, cassette, rear derailleur, new chain and the bikes ready to go again as soon as you’ve tubed and tyre’d up.
    
    I estimate the damage is going to cost at least £200-300 to repair but the bike is in no way a complete write off. It just needs nursing back to health.
    
    However… If TFL want to pay for a new bike then thats also very a very welcome outcome.
    
    — don simon
    
    Bloody hell! You’ve got good eyesight.
    
    — RoubaixCube
    
    Just zoom in, the frame doesnt look bent up or mangled at all.
    
    Oh yes, no stresses will have been passed through to the rear triangle (at minimum) at all.
    
    — 1961BikiE
    
    Another thing to consider is the angle of the impact. The bus almost hit it dead on and not from an angle. The bike looks at an angle in the picture is because the bus pushed it there when it came to a stop. There wouldnt of been barely ANY stress to the frame or rear triangle as the pressure was on the back wheel and the backwheel obviously collapsed from it. The frame didnt hit the ground or get dragged under the busses wheels either so its not crushed.
    
    Bike is still fully salvagable and serviceable once its been repaired. Unless the bike has been in several other potentially serious accidents/collisions before that we dont know about. Im saying is the frame still looks pretty much good to go from the picture.
    
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    You all dont need to agree, but this is just my own opinion based on my observation.
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    - philhubbard
      
      December 7, 2017 at 3:25 pm
      
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      RoubaixCube wrote:
      
      That Fuji bike isnt ‘totalled’.
      
      totalled means completely written off. In the picture, the frame is completely fine as are the forks, the front wheel, BB, Cranks/crank set and shifters.
      
      All she would need is a new rear wheel, cassette, rear derailleur, new chain and the bikes ready to go again as soon as you’ve tubed and tyre’d up.
      
      I estimate the damage is going to cost at least £200-300 to repair but the bike is in no way a complete write off. It just needs nursing back to health.
      
      However… If TFL want to pay for a new bike then thats also very a very welcome outcome.
      
      — RoubaixCube
      
      Bloody hell! You’ve got good eyesight.
      
      — don simon
      
      Just zoom in, the frame doesnt look bent up or mangled at all.
      
      Oh yes, no stresses will have been passed through to the rear triangle (at minimum) at all.
      
      — 1961BikiE
      
      Another thing to consider is the angle of the impact. The bus almost hit it dead on and not from an angle. The bike looks at an angle in the picture is because the bus pushed it there when it came to a stop. There wouldnt of been barely ANY stress to the frame or rear triangle as the pressure was on the back wheel and the backwheel obviously collapsed from it. The frame didnt hit the ground or get dragged under the busses wheels either so its not crushed.
      
      Bike is still fully salvagable and serviceable once its been repaired. Unless the bike has been in several other potentially serious accidents/collisions before that we dont know about. Im saying is the frame still looks pretty much good to go from the picture.
      
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      You all dont need to agree, but this is just my own opinion based on my observation.
      
      — RoubaixCube
      
      The main issue in all your observations is that you aren’t liable when it all goes wrong. Presume a shop (which will have to fill out a warranty form for TFL’s insurance) says the frame is fine and then something does go wrong, the shop is fully liable.
      
      Also, given most shops don’t have a scanner to confirm the frames integrity it is a write off
      
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    - don simon fbpe
      
      December 8, 2017 at 6:58 am
      
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      RoubaixCube]
      
      That Fuji bike isnt ‘totalled’.
      
      totalled means completely written off. In the picture, the frame is completely fine as are the forks, the front wheel, BB, Cranks/crank set and shifters.
      
      All she would need is a new rear wheel, cassette, rear derailleur, new chain and the bikes ready to go again as soon as you’ve tubed and tyre’d up.
      
      I estimate the damage is going to cost at least £200-300 to repair but the bike is in no way a complete write off. It just needs nursing back to health.
      
      However… If TFL want to pay for a new bike then thats also very a very welcome outcome.
      
      — RoubaixCube
      
      Bloody hell! You’ve got good eyesight.
      
      — don simon
      
      Just zoom in, the frame doesnt look bent up or mangled at all.
      
      — RoubaixCube
      
      And yet you seemed so sure in your first post. I’m just glad that you’re not a bike mechanic.
      
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      - RoubaixCube
        
        December 8, 2017 at 9:32 am
        
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        don simon wrote:
        
        That Fuji bike isnt ‘totalled’.
        
        totalled means completely written off. In the picture, the frame is completely fine as are the forks, the front wheel, BB, Cranks/crank set and shifters.
        
        All she would need is a new rear wheel, cassette, rear derailleur, new chain and the bikes ready to go again as soon as you’ve tubed and tyre’d up.
        
        I estimate the damage is going to cost at least £200-300 to repair but the bike is in no way a complete write off. It just needs nursing back to health.
        
        However… If TFL want to pay for a new bike then thats also very a very welcome outcome.
        
        — don simon
        
        Bloody hell! You’ve got good eyesight.
        
        — RoubaixCube
        
        Just zoom in, the frame doesnt look bent up or mangled at all.
        
        — don simon
        
        And yet you seemed so sure in your first post. I’m just glad that you’re not a bike mechanic.
        
        — RoubaixCube
        
        I still am pretty sure actually. I think the bike is OK apart from the mangled wheel
- PaulBox
  
  December 7, 2017 at 2:00 pm
  
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  RoubaixCube wrote:
  
  he frame is completely fine
  
  — RoubaixCube
  
  My arse.
  
  All she would need is a new rear wheel, cassette, rear derailleur, new chain and the bikes ready to go again as soon as you’ve tubed and tyre’d up.
  
  — RoubaixCube
  
  I would say that the cassette, rear derailleur & chain will have a better chance of being ok than the frame.
  
  Biggest surprise for me is that the seat looks ok, if that had been my bike I think I’d have made a mess of it…
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- ClubSmed
  
  December 7, 2017 at 7:13 pm
  
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  RoubaixCube wrote:
  
  That Fuji bike isnt ‘totalled’.
  
  totalled means completely written off. In the picture, the frame is completely fine as are the forks, the front wheel, BB, Cranks/crank set and shifters.
  
  All she would need is a new rear wheel, cassette, rear derailleur, new chain and the bikes ready to go again as soon as you’ve tubed and tyre’d up.
  
  I estimate the damage is going to cost at least £200-300 to repair but the bike is in no way a complete write off. It just needs nursing back to health.
  
  However… If TFL want to pay for a new bike then thats also very a very welcome outcome.
  
  — RoubaixCube
  
  If the cost of repair is greater than the value of the item then it’s a write off.
  *I don’t know the value of this bike though
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1961BikiE

December 7, 2017 at 1:27 pm

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Oh yes, no stresses will have
Oh yes, no stresses will have been passed through to the rear triangle (at minimum) at all.
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- BehindTheBikesheds
  
  December 7, 2017 at 9:44 pm
  
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  1961BikiE wrote:
  
  Oh yes, no stresses will have been passed through to the rear triangle (at minimum) at all.
  
  — 1961BikiE
  
  I was rear ended by a car which turned into a hit and run, the rear wheel, a 36 spoke Open pro/Dura Ace was completely pringled so the forces were pretty significant. Bike frame has being going strong with no alignment issues, or any other physical signs or out of place feelings in the 6 years since. Massive carbon seatstays IMO were the saving grace, that and the effect the tyre and wheel itself has at taking out some of the forces. People in the twatter thread were saying it would be on the axle/dropouts but actually it’d be a lot on the spokes/tyre/rim as they deform. You’d be surprised how much can be put on a well built wheel, I croggied a friend whilst fully loaded on a 32 hole OP/Ultegra, total all up weight on the bike was 190kg, not even a murmour.
  
  It certainly wouldn’t surprise me if the frame was useable but for most they simply wouldn’t trust it even if it was and rightly so.
  
  Why the polic were not called is anyone’s guess as a criminal offence has being committed.
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mattydubster

December 7, 2017 at 1:55 pm

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Rear hub could have easily

Rear hub could have easily knocked rear triangles out of true.
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simonmb

December 7, 2017 at 3:15 pm

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Is it relevant that the

Is it relevant that the Twitterer’s freind (the cyclist) is a doctor?
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- CygnusX1
  
  December 7, 2017 at 8:02 pm
  
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  simonmb wrote:
  
  Is it relevant that the Twitterer’s freind (the cyclist) is a doctor?
  
  — simonmb
  
  Absolutely. It means that if DM picks up the story, it can lead on heroic member of our beloved Nhs surviving terror attacks by (insert derogatory label based on bus driver’s origins here). Or bloody cyclist holding up traffic gets just desserts. Either works at Fail Towers.
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LastBoyScout

December 7, 2017 at 4:54 pm

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Looks like the wheel’s been

Looks like the wheel’s been twisted enough for it to be touching the seat stays and the rear mech looks like it’s touching the ground.

I’d want a new frame, rear wheel, rear mech, chain, brake disk and reflector at the very least.

And a P45 for the driver!
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- simonmb
  
  December 7, 2017 at 9:31 pm
  
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  LastBoyScout wrote:
  
  Looks like the wheel’s been twisted enough for it to be touching the seat stays and the rear mech looks like it’s touching the ground.
  
  — LastBoyScout
  
  It’ll buff out.
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drosco

December 7, 2017 at 10:26 pm

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Exactly the same happened to

Exactly the same happened to me at London Bridge, with less damage. Bus driver just looked at me and shrugged. Amazing.
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- RoubaixCube
  
  December 7, 2017 at 11:18 pm
  
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  drosco wrote:
  
  Exactly the same happened to me at London Bridge, with less damage. Bus driver just looked at me and shrugged. Amazing.
  
  — drosco
  
  Did TFL or the bus company pay for the damages?
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