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Cyclist doing trackstand leaves Google's self-driving car confused

Tech giant welcomes incident as it continues to refine software to predict bike riders' behaviour

A cyclist has told of how he confused Google’s self-driving car – by trackstanding at a junction. Google says it welcomes the incident, as it helps the software behind the technology learn about bike riders' behaviour.

Posting on the Road Bike Review forum, site user Oxtox described his encounter with the vehicle as he rode his fixed-gear bike.

He wrote:

A Google self-driving Lexus has been in my neighbourhood for the last couple of weeks doing some road testing.

Near the end of my ride today, we both stopped at an intersection with 4-way stop signs.

The car got to the stop line a fraction of a second before I did, so it had the ROW [right of way]. I did a trackstand and waited for it to continue on through.

It apparently detected my presence (it's covered in Go-Pros) and stayed stationary for several seconds. It finally began to proceed, but as it did, I rolled forward an inch while still standing. The car immediately stopped ...

I continued to stand, it continued to stay stopped. Then as it began to move again, I had to rock the bike to maintain balance. It stopped abruptly.

We repeated this little dance for about 2 full minutes and the car never made it past the middle of the intersection. The two guys inside were laughing and punching stuff into a laptop, I guess trying to modify some code to 'teach' the car something about how to deal with the situation.

Google has been testing driverless technology in a variety of vehicles including its own prototype ‘pods’ for several years, with one of its features being the ability to predict the behaviour of road users including cyclists and pedestrians.

The vehicles - or rather, the tech and software behind them - are, understandably, cautious to the extreme. The firm has said that there have been 11 minor road incidents in the six years in which they have been tested and that all bar one were caused by the drivers of other vehicles. In the sole incident caused by a Google car, it was being driven in manual mode by a member of staff.

Dmitri Dolgov, the head of software for the self-driving car project, has said Google's software is getting better at predicting the behaviour of pedestrians and other road users and cited one example in which a Google car paused when a cyclist ran a red light, while another car, driven by a human, continued and nearly hit them. The firm’s co-founder, Sergey Brin, says the goal is to create something that is safer than human drivers.

– Google to test purpose-built driverless vehicle on California roads

Earlier this year, it emerged that the company had patented technology that recognises cyclists’ hand signals as the technology evolves to assess and predict the behaviour of vulnerable road users with the overarching goal of improving safety for all.

– Google patent reveals how driverless cars recognise hand signals

The learning curve has now apparently expanded to include cyclists who are trackstanding.

A spokeswoman for Google told the Washington Post that the incident provides a good example of the feedback the company, now trialling the concept in areas such as Austin, Texas as well as near its headquarters in Mountain View, California, wants to get.

As for the trackstanding cyclist’s opinion of the encounter, Oxtox added:

The odd thing is that even tho it was a bit of a CF, I felt safer dealing with a self-driving car than a human-operated one.

Simon joined road.cc as news editor in 2009 and is now the site’s community editor, acting as a link between the team producing the content and our readers. A law and languages graduate, published translator and former retail analyst, he has reported on issues as diverse as cycling-related court cases, anti-doping investigations, the latest developments in the bike industry and the sport’s biggest races. Now back in London full-time after 15 years living in Oxford and Cambridge, he loves cycling along the Thames but misses having his former riding buddy, Elodie the miniature schnauzer, in the basket in front of him.

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mikroos replied to eddie11 | 9 years ago
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eddie11 wrote:

Is this guy just finding a round about way of boasting he can trackstand for 2 minutes?

And you were the one supposed to drop this hint here so we noticed, right?  21

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don simon fbpe | 9 years ago
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The odd thing is that even tho it was a bit of a CF, I felt safer dealing with a self-driving car than a human-operated one.

self driving cars don't hate.

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BobGently replied to don simon fbpe | 9 years ago
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Give it time...

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ConcordeCX replied to don simon fbpe | 9 years ago
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don simon wrote:
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The odd thing is that even tho it was a bit of a CF, I felt safer dealing with a self-driving car than a human-operated one.

self driving cars don't hate.

Give them time...

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mikroos | 9 years ago
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Dan - my thoughts exactly! On one hand it might look funny but on the other, it's the ultimate piece of evidence how safe this technology is.

By the way, it might be just my guess, but I think an average human's eye would be unable to notice such a slight movement when a driver is already focused on the exit from the intersection. Kudos to Google!

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earth replied to mikroos | 9 years ago
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mikroos wrote:

By the way, it might be just my guess, but I think an average human's eye would be unable to notice such a slight movement when a driver is already focused on the exit from the intersection. Kudos to Google!

I remember being a passenger in a car traveling along the motorway. As we went under a bridge I noticed a person about to jump off the bridge! So I said to the driver 'Did you see that?'. The driver was completely unaware of the guy about to jump off the bridge into the road in front of us. Drivers see nothing in their peripheral vision.

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Tjuice replied to earth | 9 years ago
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earth wrote:

*Some* drivers see nothing in their peripheral vision.

Fixed that for you. There are some people out there who are exceptionally aware and observant when they are driving (albeit seemingly sadly very much in the minority).

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Toxmarz replied to earth | 9 years ago
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earth wrote:
mikroos wrote:

I remember being a passenger in a car traveling along the motorway. As we went under a bridge I noticed a person about to jump off the bridge! So I said to the driver 'Did you see that?'. The driver was completely unaware of the guy about to jump off the bridge into the road in front of us.

Did he died?

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ChrisB200SX replied to earth | 9 years ago
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earth wrote:
mikroos wrote:

By the way, it might be just my guess, but I think an average human's eye would be unable to notice such a slight movement when a driver is already focused on the exit from the intersection. Kudos to Google!

I remember being a passenger in a car traveling along the motorway. As we went under a bridge I noticed a person about to jump off the bridge! So I said to the driver 'Did you see that?'. The driver was completely unaware of the guy about to jump off the bridge into the road in front of us. Drivers see nothing in their peripheral vision.

As a driver, I would have noticed... not sure I can say the same about the Google car, yet.

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mikroos replied to ChrisB200SX | 9 years ago
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earth wrote:

The driver was completely unaware of the guy about to jump off the bridge into the road in front of us. Drivers see nothing in their peripheral vision.

As a driver, I would have noticed... not sure I can say the same about the Google car, yet.

Nothing personal, but I've read somewhere that 75% of drivers (the same holds true for many professionals in many fields) consider themselves better drivers than average.

I also believe >95% of drivers who have killed other road users have been thinking until the very last second they had things under control.

Like I said, it's nothing personal. Just sharing a general thought.

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danthomascyclist | 9 years ago
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And here is why self-driving cars will replace humans.

The default for a self-driving car when it is confused is to brake, proceed slowly or stop. The default for a human during moments of confusion seems to be carry on regardless then blame lack of visibility / blind corner / unpredictable cyclists when they kill someone.

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