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West Midlands MEP calls for cyclist registration, compulsory high-vis & helmets

Nikki Sinclaire wants cyclists "accountable" with registration printed on high-vis tabards...

West Midlands European parliamentarian Nikki Sinclaire has called for all cyclists to wear registration markings so that they are “accountable” for their actions.

The former UKIP MEP, who now sits as a member for the We Demand a Referendum Now party, told BBC West Midlands yesterday that cyclists should wear fluorescent vests with registration numbers.

She said: “I think cyclists need to be accountable. They need to observe the Highway Code.”

I’m certainly not anti-cyclist, I’m a cyclist when I can get the time myself.”

Ms Sinclaire tweeted the above picture of herself wearing high-vis.

She told presenter Adrian Goldberg: “I see, time and time again, in Birmingham and London, cyclists running red lights and putting pedestrians in danger.

“I’m not saying the cycle itself should be registered. What I’m seeking is a registration of cyclists - not on all roads, just on main roads in the city.

“We need to encourage more cyclists, but we also need accountability.”

Adrian Goldberg said he had recently had to dodge a cyclist who had run a red light.

Ms Sinclaire said: “Had you hit that cyclist, you would have been prosecuted.”

Graham Hankins, of Birmingham cycling campaign Push Bikes, went on the show to explain why cycling campaigners think registration is a bad idea.

He said: “The registration system would be seen as a barrier to people cycling.

“There are lots of people out there would like to cycle but, the more rules you put in front of them, that would be seen as a barrier to cycling in the first place.”

Ms Sinclaire followed up her comments yesterday afternoon on BBC Hereford and Worcester.

She said: “For a start I think we need helmets, I should it be compulsory for people to wear helmets.”

She said that she only wanted cyclist registration plates in towns and cities, where it would be effective because of pervasive surveillance.

“The reason this would work in the UK, I don’t think it would work anywhere else in the world, is that we’ve got the most cameraed cities and towns in the world.”

Ms Sinclaire’s attitude to cyclists mirrors that of her former UKIP colleagues. In its 2010 election manifesto, the party said: “There needs to be a better balance of rights and responsibilities for pedal cyclists” and claimed there was “too much aggressive abuse of red lights, pedestrian crossings and a lack of basic safety and road courtesy.”

At the time, Chris Peck, policy co-ordinator at national cyclists’ organisation CTC, said: “UKIP are living up to their reputation with their cycling policy - it’s classic anti-cyclist third-pint-in stuff.”

John has been writing about bikes and cycling for over 30 years since discovering that people were mug enough to pay him for it rather than expecting him to do an honest day's work.

He was heavily involved in the mountain bike boom of the late 1980s as a racer, team manager and race promoter, and that led to writing for Mountain Biking UK magazine shortly after its inception. He got the gig by phoning up the editor and telling him the magazine was rubbish and he could do better. Rather than telling him to get lost, MBUK editor Tym Manley called John’s bluff and the rest is history.

Since then he has worked on MTB Pro magazine and was editor of Maximum Mountain Bike and Australian Mountain Bike magazines, before switching to the web in 2000 to work for CyclingNews.com. Along with road.cc founder Tony Farrelly, John was on the launch team for BikeRadar.com and subsequently became editor in chief of Future Publishing’s group of cycling magazines and websites, including Cycling Plus, MBUK, What Mountain Bike and Procycling.

John has also written for Cyclist magazine, edited the BikeMagic website and was founding editor of TotalWomensCycling.com before handing over to someone far more representative of the site's main audience.

He joined road.cc in 2013. He lives in Cambridge where the lack of hills is more than made up for by the headwinds.

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OldRidgeback replied to oozaveared | 10 years ago
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oozaveared wrote:
Keith Penfold wrote:

I am a keen cyclist for pleasure and for commuting. .... Registration of bikes and a modest levy could also defuse the argument that cyclists make no contribution to road funding and would make cyclists' demands more credible.

Keith. Roads are funded from general taxation. Every UK tax payer contributes to road funding. In order to have ever paid any "road tax" at all you would need to be at least 94 years old. You would have needed to have been 17 in 1937 when "road tax" was abolished and owned a car. I'm sure there is someone that can fit those criteria but I doubt more than a handful. Although it could be no-one at all.

Your tax disc does not fund roads. It goes to general taxation it is not hypothecated. As it happens though most adult cyclists are also motorists in fact the CTC found that there was a higher than average level of car ownership amongst cyclists probably because on average cyclists are more represented amongst the better off economically. I personally am a higher rate tax payer and I own three cars and pay vehicle excise duty on all of them.

Would you mind explaining to me why you think a car driver on a low income with one car contributes more to the up keep of the roads than I do.

Maybe instead we should work out what people's net tax contribution is and therefore what percentage of the roads budget they have contributed to and allow people access to the roads based on that. On that basis anyone earning less than £15k is unlikely to be a net tax payer. If they had kids the figure rises by around £1700 a year and if the kids are at school by another £6k per child.

When my kids were at school then I wasn't a net tax payer until I earned around £30k. Luckily for a lot a motorists (and I am a motorist myself as well as a pedestrian and a cyclist) some of us contribute to the net tax take so we can have roads. Many a white van driver out there probably doesn't.

Keith an understanding of where your taxes go, and who pays what for what ought to be on the school curriculum. It isn't and that is a shame but it is no excuse for complete and abject ignorance or for citing taxes that Winston Churchill started the process to abolish in 1926 and that finally were abolished 77 years ago.

+1

And I've got a car and two motorbikes, all taxed

In addition, the bureaucracy involved in having bicycle legislation would be complex and expensive and as Stumpy pointed out, the cops have more important things to do.

As for positive PR towards cyclists, I think BC and Britain's race winning cyclists are doing a pretty good job.

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ttekkv | 10 years ago
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UKIP nutter says something stupid... NEXT!

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cat1commuter | 10 years ago
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Looks like she's really enjoying her bike ride in the traffic.

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Some Fella | 10 years ago
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Never before has this smiley been more useful
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fancynancy | 10 years ago
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This woman is crackers isn't she?! Jump on the hate wagon to get some votes me thinks...  103

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jason.timothy.jones | 10 years ago
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looks like the world of twatter has gone wild

If 10 years ago someone told me that you can electronically post a funny comment that will then appear on another form of electronic media, that would then attract a slurry of comments from others that had not read the full discussion or understood the context from the original source, but these people took offence or targeted a few words that relate to minority groups, then took this as a platform to moan, whinge, complain or generally attack the second source of the information...I would have said...yeah that sounds about right

I cant wait to get back to my home planet

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Skylark replied to jason.timothy.jones | 10 years ago
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jason.timothy.jones wrote:

I cant wait to get back to my home planet

Why not stick around and improve the situation here than turn a blinder and leave?

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unpopular | 10 years ago
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Up next: all new cars and vans to be available only in fluorescent yellow. Fluorescent pink to be a premium option.

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oozaveared | 10 years ago
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Has she squared this with the police? , the DofT and the chancellor.

What's it going to cost? Will my registration be for me or for each of my bikes? What about all the bikes in garages all over the country that come out twice a year on a sunny Sunday. Will it cover the frame. How will you register all the frames created before the period. How will the recycling cetres cope when several million kids bikes turn up there rather than pay for registration? Will it apply when I am not on a road, when I am mountainbiking etc or for children? What about bike paths, canal paths and bridleways. BMX parks?

How many bikes will be sold when people have to register and pay for them to be kept in the garage? How many jobs in UK plc will that cost?

Will pedestrians particularly long distance hikers or people jogging on the road also have to be registered to walk on the road. What about mobility scooters after all these are actually powered vehicles often on pavements. What about horses will they need a number plate?

Have the police already cracked the issue of making sure all motor vehicles capable of causing serious injury and death in to nearly 200,000 victims a year are correctly registered, taxed and insured that they now have enough time to spend nicking kids on their way to school for riding the wrong bike. What if kids ride each other's bikes?

and she says she isn't anti-cycling? I say she damn well is. Just too cowardly to admit it.

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arfa | 10 years ago
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Oh the irony of an anti EU/closet UKIP type campaigning against the heavy handed bureaucracy of Europe and also wanting more pointless bureaucracy at home....

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VeloPeo | 10 years ago
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I would suggest that before we even start thinking about new laws we start to enforce the ones that already exist a bit more thoroughly

The recent operation in London shows that there are significant percentages of road users breaking these laws on a regular basis, as they know they can usually get away with it. We're pretty much all guilty of it - with varying frequency - whether on foot, bikes or in cars. Show me someone who denies this and I'll show you a liar.

Maybe if we start to enforce these existing laws a bit more, the roads will stop being so dangerous and we can stop having bloody futile arguments like this so often.

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Leodis | 10 years ago
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Shes got some balls....

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McDuff73 replied to Leodis | 10 years ago
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not necessary and detracts from the discussion!

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djm778 | 10 years ago
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@NSinclaireMEP should anyone wish to twitter and debate with N Sinclaire directly. But keep it rational and factual please.

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robthehungrymonkey | 10 years ago
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Living in the West Midlands, and a regular London cycllist, I can safely say that Birmingham is not a particularly welcoming place to ride a bike. I imagine any kind of anti-bike rhetoric being a good vote-winner.

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james-o | 10 years ago
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"Pedestrians, cyclists and horse riders have RIGHT OF ACCESS to the PUBLIC highways. Vehicles may only do so under LICENCE. One of the conditions of that licence is that they are identifiable so that infringement can be punished with withdrawal of it."

Exactly, something often forgotten by PR+attention seeking politicians and worth repeating.

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zanf replied to james-o | 10 years ago
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james-o wrote:

"Pedestrians, cyclists and horse riders have RIGHT OF ACCESS to the PUBLIC highways. Vehicles may only do so under LICENCE. One of the conditions of that licence is that they are identifiable so that infringement can be punished with withdrawal of it."

Exactly, something often forgotten by PR+attention seeking politicians and worth repeating.

Its also forgotten by judges in court as there are in excess of 10,000 drivers with +12 points on their licences. (The highest has 36 points, IIRC - just checked and its 32 currently).

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northstar replied to james-o | 10 years ago
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james-o wrote:

"Pedestrians, cyclists and horse riders have RIGHT OF ACCESS to the PUBLIC highways. Vehicles may only do so under LICENCE. One of the conditions of that licence is that they are identifiable so that infringement can be punished with withdrawal of it."

Exactly, something often forgotten by PR+attention seeking politicians and worth repeating.

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Stumps | 10 years ago
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She wants to make cyclists accountable yet she is an MEP who claim ££££££££'s in expenses and is accountable to no one.

She should bugger off and mind her own business.

She will be following the latest UKIP buffoon who blamed all the floods on gay marriages and God striking them down.

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bici1977 | 10 years ago
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Look at it this way: Lets say they do force cyclist and their bikes be registered and such. I would finally mean that we can claim what is already rightfully ours - THE MIDDLE OF THE LANE!

If all it takes to put a number on my commuter or such... bring it on! But be certain, that every car that violates my given right (by law) will be followed up and noted for traffic violations.

Guess its one way to keep the police busy  19

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pauldavies83 | 10 years ago
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Cyclists don't run red lights. Motorists don't red lights.

People run red lights.

There is an easy way to stop people like this getting their platform to spout generalist rubbish and suggesting their sensationalist solutions - educate and encourage the PEOPLE around you on bikes or in cars to stop going through red lights, and encourage these people to follow the rules of the road like the majority of other road using people out there.

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pirnie | 10 years ago
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While, I disagree generally with what she's actually said, I personally don't think the idea of making cyclists more accountable is a bad one. If we want to be taken seriously as road users and given equal respect then we should take equal responsibility, and making it easier to identify and punish irresponsible cyclists is part of that. Idiot cyclists and drivers are both a menace.

Cyclists who follow the rules of the road should have nothing to fear from being identifiable.

How you implement it sensibly is another matter entirely.....

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Ush replied to pirnie | 10 years ago
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pirnie wrote:

If we want to be taken seriously as road users and given equal respect then we should take equal responsibility, and making it easier to identify and punish irresponsible cyclists is part of that.

I completely disagree. The provision of registration and licensing for motorists is because the motorized vehicle is so bloody dangerous. Bicycles just are not. It is of course possible to injure people seriously with them, but nothing to the extent that it is possible with cars. Most of the recent cases I can think of were ones in which the cyclist was identified. No need for a license plate then.

Taken to its logical conclusion you could argue that anyone doing anything which might cause damage should be easily identifiable. I do not want to live in a society like that.

The car is a dangerous, inappropriate mode of transport for dense, urban societies. It needs special regulation because of its unusual danger.

Cyclists deserve respect for the same reason that anyone deserve respect: as individuals we have done nothing wrong. If other road users are incapable of affording us, not just "respect", but actually following the laws regulating their own behaviour then they need to be removed.

I'm heartily sick of this "cyclists need respect" meme.

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zanf replied to pirnie | 10 years ago
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pirnie wrote:

While, I disagree generally with what she's actually said, I personally don't think the idea of making cyclists more accountable is a bad one. If we want to be taken seriously as road users and given equal respect then we should take equal responsibility, and making it easier to identify and punish irresponsible cyclists is part of that. Idiot cyclists and drivers are both a menace.

Cyclists who follow the rules of the road should have nothing to fear from being identifiable.

How you implement it sensibly is another matter entirely.....

Sorry but there is so much wrong with this that I'm SMH.

>If we want to be taken seriously as road users and given equal respect then we should take equal responsibility

Its not a case of *if we want to be taken seriously*. We are legally entitled to. It is more a case of that motorised road users need to recognise this.

>then we should take equal responsibility, and making it easier to identify and punish irresponsible cyclists is part of that

No its not.

"Idiot cyclists and drivers are both a menace."

But not an equal one.

>Cyclists who follow the rules of the road should have nothing to fear from being identifiable.

This can only be described as the mad ramblings of a fascist.

Pedestrians, cyclists and horse riders have RIGHT OF ACCESS to the PUBLIC highways. Vehicles may only do so under LICENCE. One of the conditions of that licence is that they are identifiable so that infringement can be punished with withdrawal of it.

You cannot stop someone riding a bicycle and you certainly cannot deny them access to the public highways.

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Jimmy Ray Will replied to pirnie | 10 years ago
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pirnie wrote:

While, I disagree generally with what she's actually said, I personally don't think the idea of making cyclists more accountable is a bad one. If we want to be taken seriously as road users and given equal respect then we should take equal responsibility, and making it easier to identify and punish irresponsible cyclists is part of that. Idiot cyclists and drivers are both a menace.

Cyclists who follow the rules of the road should have nothing to fear from being identifiable.

How you implement it sensibly is another matter entirely.....

I think you can use that argument for every law that sneaks a bit more of your civil liberties.

However, to answer your specific point, what I'd fear is being forced to wear a Hi-viz jacket whenever I chose to ride a bike. More significantly, what I fear is the inevitable associated registration fee, which would need to be on a par with that of a driving licence or passport.

Whilst it is totally sensible to wear a hi-viz jacket, I don't really want to be forced to, and I certainly don't want my cycling to become more expensive.

As for taking responsibility, I actually think the vast majority of cycling enthuisiasts and regular cyclists (not just people that happen to ride a bike) are responsible. There are the minority of offenders yes, but its not as 'bad' as people say, or the common perception suspects.

Why? Well its simple. You are only every going to see the offenders. You will either not consciously register the majority doing as they should, or more than likely not see them at all as they will all be behind/ahead of you obeying the laws as you are. The only cyclists you will see are the ones getting ahead by breaking the rules. The perception is far worse than the reality.

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lushmiester | 10 years ago
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“I think cyclists need to be accountable. They need to observe the Highway Code.”

Surely this applies to all road users not just cyclists.

I’m certainly not anti-cyclist, I’m a cyclist when I can get the time myself.

Being a cyclist does not per say mean your views are right or that you have good knowledge of cycling issues. It may give you some insight into riding a bike but that will be limited to where you ride your bike.

What I’m seeking is a registration of cyclists - not on all roads, just on main roads in the city.

Even if we disregard the sheer impracticability of this. It still demonstrates a total misunderstanding the risks of cycling city vs country. As the Times ( February 4 2012) writes;

...for every billion kilometres cycled on a minor road, there are 28 more deaths in the countryside than in urban areas.

As ever when politics and cycling meet there tends to be ill informed assertion and rarely is there much informed opinion.

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Chuck replied to lushmiester | 10 years ago
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lushmiester wrote:

What I’m seeking is a registration of cyclists - not on all roads, just on main roads in the city.

Even if we disregard the sheer impracticability of this. It still demonstrates a total misunderstanding the risks of cycling city vs country. As the Times ( February 4 2012) writes;

...for every billion kilometres cycled on a minor road, there are 28 more deaths in the countryside than in urban areas.

She's not talking about the risk to cyclists though, she's talking about the risk she seems to think they pose to everyone else.
That this risk demonstrably doesn't really exist outside the mind of Daily Mail readers and UKIP MPs is presumably beside the point.

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bendertherobot | 10 years ago
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Insignificant individual. Deny airtime.

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Jtyler24 | 10 years ago
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its a small minority that dont obey the highway code and theres just as many drivers (particularly when it comes to the treatment of cyclists) that dont obey it either! if not more! plus we're far less likely to kill people by doing something wrong!

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farrell | 10 years ago
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Absolutely bat shit mental this one.

If somebody had told me ten years ago I'd be sending electronic messages about a Thatcher loving, transexual, lesbian, anti-Europe scouser who wanted me to be forced by law in to wearing a registration number on my person I'd have tried to have them sectioned.

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