West Midlands European parliamentarian Nikki Sinclaire has called for all cyclists to wear registration markings so that they are “accountable” for their actions.
The former UKIP MEP, who now sits as a member for the We Demand a Referendum Now party, told BBC West Midlands yesterday that cyclists should wear fluorescent vests with registration numbers.
She said: “I think cyclists need to be accountable. They need to observe the Highway Code.”
I’m certainly not anti-cyclist, I’m a cyclist when I can get the time myself.”
Ms Sinclaire tweeted the above picture of herself wearing high-vis.
She told presenter Adrian Goldberg: “I see, time and time again, in Birmingham and London, cyclists running red lights and putting pedestrians in danger.
“I’m not saying the cycle itself should be registered. What I’m seeking is a registration of cyclists – not on all roads, just on main roads in the city.
“We need to encourage more cyclists, but we also need accountability.”
Adrian Goldberg said he had recently had to dodge a cyclist who had run a red light.
Ms Sinclaire said: “Had you hit that cyclist, you would have been prosecuted.”
Graham Hankins, of Birmingham cycling campaign Push Bikes, went on the show to explain why cycling campaigners think registration is a bad idea.
He said: “The registration system would be seen as a barrier to people cycling.
“There are lots of people out there would like to cycle but, the more rules you put in front of them, that would be seen as a barrier to cycling in the first place.”
Ms Sinclaire followed up her comments yesterday afternoon on BBC Hereford and Worcester.
She said: “For a start I think we need helmets, I should it be compulsory for people to wear helmets.”
She said that she only wanted cyclist registration plates in towns and cities, where it would be effective because of pervasive surveillance.
“The reason this would work in the UK, I don’t think it would work anywhere else in the world, is that we’ve got the most cameraed cities and towns in the world.”
Ms Sinclaire’s attitude to cyclists mirrors that of her former UKIP colleagues. In its 2010 election manifesto, the party said: “There needs to be a better balance of rights and responsibilities for pedal cyclists” and claimed there was “too much aggressive abuse of red lights, pedestrian crossings and a lack of basic safety and road courtesy.”
At the time, Chris Peck, policy co-ordinator at national cyclists’ organisation CTC, said: “UKIP are living up to their reputation with their cycling policy – it’s classic anti-cyclist third-pint-in stuff.”

























113 thoughts on “West Midlands MEP calls for cyclist registration, compulsory high-vis & helmets”
Is that her in the pic,
Is that her in the pic, helmet dosnt look very well fitted?
Agreed. The helmet is not
Agreed. The helmet is not down low enough on the brow. Whether the head is too fat or the helmet too small I’ll leave as an exercise to the reader.
The magic nature of the helmet talisman (not just a prophylactic, but also an indicator of some sort of morality) never ceases to amaze me, but it does give me a good chuckle when I see someone blethering about them wearing one incorrectly.
the helmet looks right, its
the helmet looks right, its her stupid head thats out of proportion =))
Call me paranoid, but a fascist political group demanding registration of certain parts of the community concerns me
jason.timothy.jones wrote:the
well what do you know… the Nazis inflicted compulsory bycycle registration upon occupied countries so they could trace dissidents more easily.
http://ipayroadtax.com/licensed-to-cycle/licensed-to-cycle/
Paul_C
well what do you know… the Nazis inflicted compulsory bycycle registration upon occupied countries so they could trace dissidents more easily.
http://ipayroadtax.com/licensed-to-cycle/licensed-to-cycle/— jason.timothy.jones
That video is brilliant
Her head is too big.
Her head is too big.
In London my biggest hazard
In London my biggest hazard is anonymous pedestrians walking out into the road in front of me busy on their mobiles. Hi Viz vests with registration numbers on are the only solution. Black cabs, no Hi Viz cabs, makes sense. How many motorist die from head injuries compared to cyclists, compulsory helmets.
I will happily register as a
I will happily register as a ‘cyclist’ and wear a mandated stupid peice of clothing when pedestrians have to do the same. As this is about safety, I would like to make the following, unconnected statemnts:
I have never been mugged by a cyclist.
I have never seen a cyclist attack someone for apparently no reason
I have never had a cyclist throw things at me as i pass them.
I have however, seen or experienced all those things from pedestrians.
That’s not a woman in the pic
That’s not a woman in the pic is it?!! :O
So there is a party more made
So there is a party more made than UKrap?
mad
mad
Incredible that someone who
Incredible that someone who herself is in a minority group – she is transsexual – can be so ignorant and state such badly thought out policies. Idiot.
I think she is jumping on the
I think she is jumping on the anti cyclist bandwagon, there must be an election coming up, be prepared for more rubbish
Yeah, I don’t like that idea,
Yeah, I don’t like that idea, especially the helmets compulsory idea. If you look at Australia, there were twice as many cyclists as there were after the compulsory helmet law was brought in.
Sure, lots of cyclists and commuters will wear the helmet.
The License plate idea is a good idea, however, I don’t want it on a hi-vis jacket, I already wear a hi-vis rain coat to help keep the wind and cold off me. So if you put it on the bike, even better! But then again, one person could ride many bikes, or it’s a rental bike, so it’s more to the owner of the bike that the license plate should be, however, they should be small, don’t create wind drag, or be easily removed for thieves
http://www.copenhagenize.com/
http://www.copenhagenize.com/2010/03/folly-of-bicycle-licences.html
So a reg number on a vest, is
So a reg number on a vest, is it front or back. I wear a backpack and ride in a tucked position so who is going to see.
To stay away from any slander towards her I would just point out her point, she cycles when she has time…
Commuters cycle out of choice/necessity not because we have time.
Read this earlier
Read this earlier today.
http://cyclingfront.blogspot.co.uk/2014/01/questions-for-anyone-proposing-cyclist.html
Absolutely bat shit mental
Absolutely bat shit mental this one.
If somebody had told me ten years ago I’d be sending electronic messages about a Thatcher loving, transexual, lesbian, anti-Europe scouser who wanted me to be forced by law in to wearing a registration number on my person I’d have tried to have them sectioned.
farrell wrote:Absolutely bat
That is the quote of the year, this man deserves a pair of sox
farrell wrote:Absolutely bat
Just to clarify, in slightly more than 140 characters, that my reference to Nikki Sinclaire’s sexuality or gender weren’t meant as a piss take or with any malice, it was more to highlight the way technology has changed. The younger me didn’t come into contact with so many people from different walks of life as we all do now via the internet. That’s what I find mental.
This comment has since ended up on Twitter, which kind of reinforces my point about communications.
And yes, John Stevenson, feel free to say/think/believe that I am a twat.
farrell wrote:farrell
Just to clarify, in slightly more than 140 characters, that my reference to Nikki Sinclaire’s sexuality or gender weren’t meant as a piss take or with any malice, it was more to highlight the way technology has changed. The younger me didn’t come into contact with so many people from different walks of life as we all do now via the internet. That’s what I find mental.
This comment has since ended up on Twitter, which kind of reinforces my point about communications.
And yes, John Stevenson, feel free to say/think/believe that I am a twat.— farrell
Ha lush mate, the power of twisting of a comment strikes again. Twitter is great…..not.
stumps wrote:And yes, John
Ha lush mate, the power of twisting of a comment strikes again. Twitter is great…..not.[/quote]
Poor Carlton Reid is being accused of all sorts for retweeting it!
I was merely musing on how complicated the world can be and people have taken it as a hate piece.
That’s I way I read your
That’s I way I read your comment. There was no malice in it. It was a time travel and use of technology thing.
farrell wrote:Just to
So, as an update:
Two cycling journalists have fallen out via Twitter because of what I have written, one of whom is the ‘Editor-at-Large’ of this website and author of this article and who has publicly decreed that I am a twat and has since blocked the other journalist, Carlton Reid.
One other person is seemingly certain that my sole intention was to ‘call out’ Nikki Sinclaire purely for her gender and/or sexuality due to my latent homo/transphobia. Said person has conceded that you could, *could*, read what I have written in such a manner that it could possibly be construed as perhaps not actually being a hate piece. Which was nice of them.
It has been suggested that what I had written could be, amongst other things, any of the following:
Erring towards homo/transphobic
Inane predjudice bait
Cultural voyeurism
An analogy of cyclist oppression
A reflection of the opposite direction of changing attitudes to gender and cycling
Tired and flawed
Contentious and messy
And my personal favourite and possibly the most accurate: Irrelevant toss.
All being discussed, analysed and semantically tore apart to find the “true meaning” of a second hand repetition of what I had written by at least seven (7!!) people I have never met, on a completely separate platform, none of which it seems have bothered to actually come to the source and read it.
I’m going to swing back to my original point here and say, whilst not referencing any specifics about any organism that may be living or dead (or even undead), that the internet is a confusing and strange yet wonderful place that offers up constant surprises with who it puts you in contact with. People that may be completely different to yourself and completely off your radar.
It also has a lot of hate and I mean tonnes of it, including bucketloads loads of homo/transphobic hate. It’s dead easy to find if you look but you won’t actually find any from me, because I’m just not into hating anyone really.
I just want to ride bikes.
its a small minority that
its a small minority that dont obey the highway code and theres just as many drivers (particularly when it comes to the treatment of cyclists) that dont obey it either! if not more! plus we’re far less likely to kill people by doing something wrong!
Insignificant individual.
Insignificant individual. Deny airtime.
While, I disagree generally
While, I disagree generally with what she’s actually said, I personally don’t think the idea of making cyclists more accountable is a bad one. If we want to be taken seriously as road users and given equal respect then we should take equal responsibility, and making it easier to identify and punish irresponsible cyclists is part of that. Idiot cyclists and drivers are both a menace.
Cyclists who follow the rules of the road should have nothing to fear from being identifiable.
How you implement it sensibly is another matter entirely…..
pirnie wrote: If we want to
I completely disagree. The provision of registration and licensing for motorists is because the motorized vehicle is so bloody dangerous. Bicycles just are not. It is of course possible to injure people seriously with them, but nothing to the extent that it is possible with cars. Most of the recent cases I can think of were ones in which the cyclist was identified. No need for a license plate then.
Taken to its logical conclusion you could argue that anyone doing anything which might cause damage should be easily identifiable. I do not want to live in a society like that.
The car is a dangerous, inappropriate mode of transport for dense, urban societies. It needs special regulation because of its unusual danger.
Cyclists deserve respect for the same reason that anyone deserve respect: as individuals we have done nothing wrong. If other road users are incapable of affording us, not just “respect”, but actually following the laws regulating their own behaviour then they need to be removed.
I’m heartily sick of this “cyclists need respect” meme.
pirnie wrote:While, I
Sorry but there is so much wrong with this that I’m SMH.
>If we want to be taken seriously as road users and given equal respect then we should take equal responsibility
Its not a case of *if we want to be taken seriously*. We are legally entitled to. It is more a case of that motorised road users need to recognise this.
>then we should take equal responsibility, and making it easier to identify and punish irresponsible cyclists is part of that
No its not.
“Idiot cyclists and drivers are both a menace.”
But not an equal one.
>Cyclists who follow the rules of the road should have nothing to fear from being identifiable.
This can only be described as the mad ramblings of a fascist.
Pedestrians, cyclists and horse riders have RIGHT OF ACCESS to the PUBLIC highways. Vehicles may only do so under LICENCE. One of the conditions of that licence is that they are identifiable so that infringement can be punished with withdrawal of it.
You cannot stop someone riding a bicycle and you certainly cannot deny them access to the public highways.
pirnie wrote:While, I
I think you can use that argument for every law that sneaks a bit more of your civil liberties.
However, to answer your specific point, what I’d fear is being forced to wear a Hi-viz jacket whenever I chose to ride a bike. More significantly, what I fear is the inevitable associated registration fee, which would need to be on a par with that of a driving licence or passport.
Whilst it is totally sensible to wear a hi-viz jacket, I don’t really want to be forced to, and I certainly don’t want my cycling to become more expensive.
As for taking responsibility, I actually think the vast majority of cycling enthuisiasts and regular cyclists (not just people that happen to ride a bike) are responsible. There are the minority of offenders yes, but its not as ‘bad’ as people say, or the common perception suspects.
Why? Well its simple. You are only every going to see the offenders. You will either not consciously register the majority doing as they should, or more than likely not see them at all as they will all be behind/ahead of you obeying the laws as you are. The only cyclists you will see are the ones getting ahead by breaking the rules. The perception is far worse than the reality.
“I think cyclists need to be
Surely this applies to all road users not just cyclists.
Being a cyclist does not per say mean your views are right or that you have good knowledge of cycling issues. It may give you some insight into riding a bike but that will be limited to where you ride your bike.
Even if we disregard the sheer impracticability of this. It still demonstrates a total misunderstanding the risks of cycling city vs country. As the Times ( February 4 2012) writes;
As ever when politics and cycling meet there tends to be ill informed assertion and rarely is there much informed opinion.
lushmiester wrote:
What I’m
She’s not talking about the risk to cyclists though, she’s talking about the risk she seems to think they pose to everyone else.
That this risk demonstrably doesn’t really exist outside the mind of Daily Mail readers and UKIP MPs is presumably beside the point.
Cyclists don’t run red
Cyclists don’t run red lights. Motorists don’t red lights.
People run red lights.
There is an easy way to stop people like this getting their platform to spout generalist rubbish and suggesting their sensationalist solutions – educate and encourage the PEOPLE around you on bikes or in cars to stop going through red lights, and encourage these people to follow the rules of the road like the majority of other road using people out there.
Look at it this way: Lets say
Look at it this way: Lets say they do force cyclist and their bikes be registered and such. I would finally mean that we can claim what is already rightfully ours – THE MIDDLE OF THE LANE!
If all it takes to put a number on my commuter or such… bring it on! But be certain, that every car that violates my given right (by law) will be followed up and noted for traffic violations.
Guess its one way to keep the police busy 👿
She wants to make cyclists
She wants to make cyclists accountable yet she is an MEP who claim ££££££££’s in expenses and is accountable to no one.
She should bugger off and mind her own business.
She will be following the latest UKIP buffoon who blamed all the floods on gay marriages and God striking them down.
“Pedestrians, cyclists and
“Pedestrians, cyclists and horse riders have RIGHT OF ACCESS to the PUBLIC highways. Vehicles may only do so under LICENCE. One of the conditions of that licence is that they are identifiable so that infringement can be punished with withdrawal of it.”
Exactly, something often forgotten by PR+attention seeking politicians and worth repeating.
james-o wrote:”Pedestrians,
Its also forgotten by judges in court as there are in excess of 10,000 drivers with +12 points on their licences. (The highest has 36 points, IIRC – just checked and its 32 currently).
james-o wrote:”Pedestrians,
Living in the West Midlands,
Living in the West Midlands, and a regular London cycllist, I can safely say that Birmingham is not a particularly welcoming place to ride a bike. I imagine any kind of anti-bike rhetoric being a good vote-winner.
@NSinclaireMEP should anyone
@NSinclaireMEP should anyone wish to twitter and debate with N Sinclaire directly. But keep it rational and factual please.
Shes got some balls….
Shes got some balls….
not necessary and detracts
not necessary and detracts from the discussion!
I would suggest that before
I would suggest that before we even start thinking about new laws we start to enforce the ones that already exist a bit more thoroughly
The recent operation in London shows that there are significant percentages of road users breaking these laws on a regular basis, as they know they can usually get away with it. We’re pretty much all guilty of it – with varying frequency – whether on foot, bikes or in cars. Show me someone who denies this and I’ll show you a liar.
Maybe if we start to enforce these existing laws a bit more, the roads will stop being so dangerous and we can stop having bloody futile arguments like this so often.
Oh the irony of an anti
Oh the irony of an anti EU/closet UKIP type campaigning against the heavy handed bureaucracy of Europe and also wanting more pointless bureaucracy at home….
Has she squared this with the
Has she squared this with the police? , the DofT and the chancellor.
What’s it going to cost? Will my registration be for me or for each of my bikes? What about all the bikes in garages all over the country that come out twice a year on a sunny Sunday. Will it cover the frame. How will you register all the frames created before the period. How will the recycling cetres cope when several million kids bikes turn up there rather than pay for registration? Will it apply when I am not on a road, when I am mountainbiking etc or for children? What about bike paths, canal paths and bridleways. BMX parks?
How many bikes will be sold when people have to register and pay for them to be kept in the garage? How many jobs in UK plc will that cost?
Will pedestrians particularly long distance hikers or people jogging on the road also have to be registered to walk on the road. What about mobility scooters after all these are actually powered vehicles often on pavements. What about horses will they need a number plate?
Have the police already cracked the issue of making sure all motor vehicles capable of causing serious injury and death in to nearly 200,000 victims a year are correctly registered, taxed and insured that they now have enough time to spend nicking kids on their way to school for riding the wrong bike. What if kids ride each other’s bikes?
and she says she isn’t anti-cycling? I say she damn well is. Just too cowardly to admit it.
Up next: all new cars and
Up next: all new cars and vans to be available only in fluorescent yellow. Fluorescent pink to be a premium option.
looks like the world of
looks like the world of twatter has gone wild
If 10 years ago someone told me that you can electronically post a funny comment that will then appear on another form of electronic media, that would then attract a slurry of comments from others that had not read the full discussion or understood the context from the original source, but these people took offence or targeted a few words that relate to minority groups, then took this as a platform to moan, whinge, complain or generally attack the second source of the information…I would have said…yeah that sounds about right
I cant wait to get back to my home planet
jason.timothy.jones wrote:
I
Why not stick around and improve the situation here than turn a blinder and leave?
This woman is crackers isn’t
This woman is crackers isn’t she?! Jump on the hate wagon to get some votes me thinks… :H
Never before has this smiley
Never before has this smiley been more useful
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Looks like she’s really
Looks like she’s really enjoying her bike ride in the traffic.
UKIP nutter says something
UKIP nutter says something stupid… NEXT!
Might have to write to my
Might have to write to my MEP.
Because being accountable and having licence plates prevents other road users from breaking the law all the time.
Next up, pedestrians and horses for tests and licences.
If a pedestrian is found to be walking too slowly, they will be clamped.
Might have to write to my
Might have to write to my MEP.
Because being accountable and having licence plates prevents other road users from breaking the law all the time.
Next up, pedestrians and horses for tests and licences.
If a pedestrian is found to be walking too slowly, they will be clamped.
Just to clarify matters Nikki
Just to clarify matters Nikki Sinclaire was a UKIP MEP for one year only, 2009 to 2010, then after a dispute with the UKIP became an independent before setting up the fantasy party in the article. Chances of her having a seat post next euro election are zero so why BBC West Midlands think her opinion is of any value is a mystery as with proportional representation she no longer represents the people that voted for the party that put her in power.
Why not EVERYONE wear a Hi
Why not EVERYONE wear a Hi Viz garment with registration number – or maybe barcode – whenever they leave the house. This barcode could also be tattooed on the individuals forehead at birth and would provide the authorities with an easy and efficient route to NHS, DSS, educational, ethnic, religious and other personal details – after all – THEY know what’s best for us ……… 😕
“the We Demand a Referendum
“the We Demand a Referendum Now party”
Ah yes, that’ll be the party set up by Nikki Sinclaire, which has precisely one elected member…Nikki Sinclaire. As nobody voted for her, or her party, last time round it’ll be nice when she’s booted out of office in a few months time, and will have less of a platform for her stupid ideas.
Another fruit cake from the
Another fruit cake from the UKIP stable, one has to despair at the level of debate and knowledge about cycling and given the 100 plus fatalities every year it is an insult all those who have been killed or injured on Britains roads. The worry must be unless this is countered it adds to the volume of anti-cycling rubbish being put about by publicity seeking individuals.
“so why BBC West Midlands
“so why BBC West Midlands think her opinion is of any value is a mystery”
Simple outrage-stoker that gets people talking, just look at the number of comments here.. ) Why else do low-level journos and politicians come out with this sort of thing?
Don’t forget there’s an
Don’t forget there’s an election to the euro parliament this year so we can expect a lot more of this kind of thing until May
The idea of accountability is
The idea of accountability is fine, but since when does a registration number result in accountability unless someone is there to catch someone…the only thing I know for sure is it’ll cost money to setup and run.
Registration of vehicles has
Registration of vehicles has worked so why wouldn’t it for bicycles? I mean it is easy to trace their owners as they keep the DVLA regularly updated as to when and where they move house and who is driving. They all pay their VED and every single one of them pays insurance, has a licence and keeps said vehicle in tip top roadworthy condition and oh now wait a minute?
Do one you F tard!
cidermart wrote:Registration
Yeah sadly it seems my point passed you by, those again as I stated do nothing since up on the A4 I see plenty of cars go through various red lights that have those various elements I don’t see them getting in trouble as guess what…no cops or camera’s.
Yet more retarded comments
Yet more retarded comments from a full on retarded politician, she should just insert her head up her own ass and go into the corner for the rest of her life, she clearly has no other use to the human race.
FFS…yes some people on
FFS…yes some people on bikes are knobs and yes the police should fine them but let’s remind ourselves who is actually doing the killing shall we?
How is this registration tabbard supposed to work anyway? Can’t wear a rucksack now as you’d be doing the equivalent of obscuring the reg plates on your car. Panniers? Sure, give passing cars even more stuff to hit when they squeeze past at whatever speed they’re doing. No thanks.
This is so frustrating, feels like we have MP’s complaining about the kids in an orphanage being rowdy on occasion whilst turning a blind eye to the sexual abuse going on.
This will support cycling how exactly?
I read as far as “former UKIP
I read as far as “former UKIP MEP” and decided to go no further.
The chance of anyone associated with UKIP having a sensible point of view is infinitely small.
As one of her constituents (yes, those annoying little people) I feel it my duty to write to her. She might not like what I have to say… though unfortunately it does mean I’ll have to read her comments.
👿
Why not make everything
Why not make everything compulsory and then we can safely fill the world with idiots!
I like the idea of fluorescent cars and trucks.
And, all pedestrians should wear serial numbers and hi-viz clothing except for the ones who dye themselves orange – they are already bright enough.
I reckon we could identify and control everything (except MEPs, but they do not live on this planet, so that is okay).
I can understand the
I can understand the reasoning behind this, I find so many London cyclists are total idiots and think they can do what they want on the roads. I see them riding through red lights often, I have nearly been hit by plenty as I cross a zebra crossing and so many have a really bad attitude. Its a totally unenforceable law and they should enforce the current laws better before creating new stupid ones.
Long as they dont have it around the Surrey Hills I dont mind 🙂
khisanth wrote:I can
[[[[[[ KHISANTH——the reason you’ve “nearly been hit by plenty” (of cyclists) is because you’re not wearing your screaming-yellow jackety thing! And I suggest also a helmet with a big flashing LED on top, for extra visibility. You can’t be too careful, innit!
P.R.
Daft politician statements,
Daft politician statements, brilliant. <:P
Serious face, Question: does she agree we need compulsory big puffy foam car bonnets?
No problem. I’ll wear a
No problem. I’ll wear a helmet and hi-vis provided that the following also is enforced:-
1. All pedestrians also wear helmets and hi-vis as they would get more benefit from cycling helmets than cyclists.
2. All TfL buses to be taken off the roads as they are a proven hazard to life and limb.
3. All car occupants to wear helmets [Yes they do exist see http://www.copenhaganize.com] as the most common injury to car occupants in crashes are head injuries.
4. All children under the age of 10 to be fitted with reins held by a responsible adult at all times that they are out by public roads.
5. All cars to be painted in vibrant dayglo colours and limited to 20mph.
6. All cars to be fitted with prominent health warnings in the style of cigarette packets.
You don’t think I’ve gone too far do you?
Please feel free to add to this list.
I think it’s a great idea.
I think it’s a great idea. While we’re at it, let’s make pedestrians get licensed to walk on pavements and licensed separately to cross roads. Let’s impose a double licensing regime on dog walkers. Or people with prams. Just off to join UKIP now.
Another load of crap from
Another load of crap from those who think they know best. I once worked in a local authority road safety unit where the philosophy was to keep cyclists off the roads and thus reduce accidents, rather than deal with the problem – the motor vehicle. 1.3 million are killed by motor vehicles every year throughout the world and millions more injured. Millions more are affected by asthma and other respiratory diseases. Urban squalor thrives with more space being given to park cars than to green open spaces. Yet we devote massive efforts to fight terrorism – a fight difficult to win given the West’s current foreign policies. However, it would be possible to save more lives by giving more attention to promoting worldwide safe cycling and walking. Heavens only knows what stupidity is leading China, India and other developing countries to get rid of bikes and embrace the car.
Sadly, much of the problem in the UK is caused by the attitudes of motorists and the media towards cyclists. They should be welcoming cyclists. After all, they use less road space. Ironically,it was the early cyclists who invented pneumatic tyres, as well as aeroplanes and motor vehicles,
and pushed for the metalled road surfaces we have today.
Happy + safe cycling to all.
Well what can we say! A great
Well what can we say! A great picture dont she look happy? Not! And the hi-viz jacket doesnt do much in bright days proven. Hey and whats this it looks like a 3 door ford fiesta psassing extremly closely to her, maybe the hi-viz enabled the driver to get even closer putting her at risk. Hi-viz is great at night. As regards having an identifying mark I assume thats great in full view stamped on the back of the jacket. Oh alot of thought went into that most people carry their kit in a rucsac humm that will work NOT. Also cars have identifying marks number plates etc but it dont stop them from carving cyclists up and failing to signal their intentions. I drive and ride and we seem to miss out it doesnt matter what we drive ride fly sail etc it boils down to the idiot behind the controls.
Well, I’ve got the helmet and
Well, I’ve got the helmet and the hi viz. I’ll just put a “reg number” on the back and see if it makes any difference either on the road or cycle path.
Who is this person? Lowers my faith in our politicians even further. http://road.cc/sites/all/modules/smileys/packs/Yahoo!/doh.gif
Being cynical, I see it like
Being cynical, I see it like this:
Anti-cycling lobby carefully select gullible individual.
The seed of thought is sown.
Gullible individual issues bonkers statement.
Cyclists do the usual chatter on forums.
The silliest reactionary pieces get targeted on the twittersphere.
The opinions of motorists, about cyclists, remain firmly anti.
Those whose assets are dependent on drivers continuing to drive are protected.
But if we avoid rising to the bait, we might be able to push through change a little faster.
What a daft proposition from
What a daft proposition from this Part, Part-Time, Part-Timer.
Accountable to what?
If so, get rid of all cars on the road first.
In the words of the recently
In the words of the recently not so dearly departed Margaret Thatcher, “No, No, No.”
Good way to kill off cycle
Good way to kill off cycle gear manufacturers and shops. Why sell expensive kit when all you can wear is one colour, sounds more like Chairman Mao than and MEP.
another idiot …
another idiot …
Needs to learn how to put a
Needs to learn how to put a helmet on properly – looks nicely set up to garrotte her if it hits the deck before her face but mounted high that is lees likely to happen…
You’d have thought someone
You’d have thought someone fitting so many niche groups, be it the far right or gender differences would be more supportive of minority groups like cyclists. Maybe it’s a sign we are now the mainstream.
Fingers crossed his/her funny shaped head implodes under the stress or thinking up more shite to spout.
I am a keen cyclist for
I am a keen cyclist for pleasure and for commuting. I have often despaired at the arrogant behaviour and bad practice of many of my fellow bikers that put themselves and others in danger and only confirm the anti-bike prejudice of other road users. Cycle organisations and authorities should be more pro-active in engendering good cycling skills. Motorists show the same traits, but lets be on the good side – two wromgs don’t make a right.
We need to accept that, although bikes may become better accommodated, for the foreseeable future we share the road space. Cyclists need to get the rest of the public on their side to get support for better cycling facilities. It is common sense to wear high viz and helmet and to have a bell and lights – these should not be seen as an imposition. Registration of bikes and a modest levy could also defuse the argument that cyclists make no contribution to road funding and would make cyclists’ demands more credible.
Keith Penfold wrote:
It is
Sorry Keith but its not commonsense in relation to the helmet. Everyone knows, even the most steadfast of us who wear one, that they offer little in safety once your over a certain speed. High viz and bells ? well i’m pretty sure the jury are out on that one as well.
Lights – yes 1000% .
The registration of bikes is completely unworkable, who would check them as i, as a serving cop, certainly dont have the time and i WONT pay anything to this govt so i can ride a bike as they take far to much from me in any case.
In the real world its about
In the real world its about PR – just look as if you are trying to do the right thing. I accept enforcement would be as ineffective in relation to bad cyclists as they are for bad motorists,. But my point is to try to get the anti-cycling public to stop thinking cyclists are freeloaders and the enemy.
Keith Penfold wrote:I am a
Keith. Roads are funded from general taxation. Every UK tax payer contributes to road funding. In order to have ever paid any “road tax” at all you would need to be at least 94 years old. You would have needed to have been 17 in 1937 when “road tax” was abolished and owned a car. I’m sure there is someone that can fit those criteria but I doubt more than a handful. Although it could be no-one at all.
Your tax disc does not fund roads. It goes to general taxation it is not hypothecated. As it happens though most adult cyclists are also motorists in fact the CTC found that there was a higher than average level of car ownership amongst cyclists probably because on average cyclists are more represented amongst the better off economically. I personally am a higher rate tax payer and I own three cars and pay vehicle excise duty on all of them.
Would you mind explaining to me why you think a car driver on a low income with one car contributes more to the up keep of the roads than I do.
Maybe instead we should work out what people’s net tax contribution is and therefore what percentage of the roads budget they have contributed to and allow people access to the roads based on that. On that basis anyone earning less than £15k is unlikely to be a net tax payer. If they had kids the figure rises by around £1700 a year and if the kids are at school by another £6k per child.
When my kids were at school then I wasn’t a net tax payer until I earned around £30k. Luckily for a lot a motorists (and I am a motorist myself as well as a pedestrian and a cyclist) some of us contribute to the net tax take so we can have roads. Many a white van driver out there probably doesn’t.
Keith an understanding of where your taxes go, and who pays what for what ought to be on the school curriculum. It isn’t and that is a shame but it is no excuse for complete and abject ignorance or for citing taxes that Winston Churchill started the process to abolish in 1926 and that finally were abolished 77 years ago.
oozaveared wrote:Keith
+1
And I’ve got a car and two motorbikes, all taxed
In addition, the bureaucracy involved in having bicycle legislation would be complex and expensive and as Stumpy pointed out, the cops have more important things to do.
As for positive PR towards cyclists, I think BC and Britain’s race winning cyclists are doing a pretty good job.
She’s not quite as bonkers as
She’s not quite as bonkers as the UKIP councillor who claimed homosexuality is the cause of Britain’s recent spate of bad weather. But she isn’t utterly rational.
In Franz Kafka’s The Trial, he refers to his bicycle licence as an example of necessary ID and it is rejected for being so utterly trivial. I doubt she’d see the irony.
I think it’d be better if it were compulsory for politicians to have average intelligence at the very least.
Hmm, I note another post by someone saying cyclists should pay to use the roads, and by someone who has made precisely two posts. No where have I heard that before?
As a follow up – I don’t
As a follow up – I don’t necessarily agree with how the MEP wants to implement his policy. But my message is that cyclists have to play the PR game to get support. And lets not forget that many cyclists are also drivers so have a foot in both camps – I believe many do not actively campaign for cycling because of this.
Keith Penfold wrote:As a
The MEP in question is a she.
We also need “JUDEN” tattooed
We also need “JUDEN” tattooed on our foreheads I suppose?
Why should Chris Juden take
Why should Chris Juden take all the flak ? :))
My Eric D wrote:Why should
My
was meant as a reply to
The “Reply” button on this forum should say “Comment” instead – there is no ‘threading’ …
Incidentally Google Images contains a camouflaged helicopter in the 8 ‘most visually similar images’ to the one above.
http://www.sinaimg.cn/dy/slidenews/8_img/2013_35/428_19125_178599.jpg
Perspicuity vs. conspicuity ?
All-black is conspicuous on a bright day. Camo works by disrupting the outlines.
http://www.woostercollective.com/cubism-razzle-dazzle-camouflage-painting.jpg
The car is only about a foot away, but her brakes seem to be on, and her feet down, so they may be stationary at traffic lights … did the car pass close, or did she filter/undertake a stationary car ?
Maybe it’s people cycling on
Maybe it’s people cycling on pavements we have to blame for the recent bad weather 🙂
m0rjc wrote:Maybe it’s people
I think it was 2 men on a tandem that caused it
What about mobility
What about mobility scooters?
Roller skates?
Scooters?
Skateboards?
Space hoppers?
Dugs?
Horses ?
Those big ball things that go on water?
Motor Vehicles have a Reggie for one reason…..taxation.
If they can’t work out a way to tax it, it won’t happen.
I’d rather she campaigned on
I’d rather she campaigned on well-fitting helmets.
Predictable tosh from the UKIP raving loonie party.
More pissed off at the regular letters in Cycling Weekly banging on about helmets and hi viz.
“The mother of idiots is
“The mother of idiots is always pregnant”, as a Hungarian friend says.
IDIOT…NOTHING ELSE WORTH
IDIOT…NOTHING ELSE WORTH SAYING.
I call for registration and
I call for registration and mandatory hi-viz straight jackets for all UKIP MEPs 😉
She said: “I think cyclists
She said: “I think cyclists need to be accountable. They need to observe the Highway Code.”
Right. Like, say, motorists do?
I can sort of understand
I can sort of understand where she is coming from!!
I spent 5 days in the West Midlands (Darlaston, Wednesbury area) just before Christmas.
I have never seen so many cyclists riding in the twilight and after dark in filthy weather with no helmet, no hi vis wearing dark clothing and a red glow-worm at the back and a white one at the front or non at all.
I very nearly pulled out in front of 3 and nearly ran one down as I couldn’t see them and you know being a cyclist I am looking for other cyclists!!
So what chance has head up the bum Joe tin can driver got.
My wife and I we were so glad to leave the area and come home to get away from the risk of hitting some one.
But as I always say its a two way street cyclists have a responsibility to ensure they can be seen by other road users but other road users need to see us and give us room. Thank the cycle that I live and ride in rural France and yes I wear a bright yellow helmet a hi vis jacket all the time winter and summer and use lights (not glow worms) when the weather is murky or dark
Registration and all the other crap compulsory this and compulsory that no thanks. B-)
Oh dear.
Not a good advert
Oh dear.
Not a good advert for cycle safety with that helmet.
Hint: straps
Hint: two finger width between eyebrow and helmet
didds
PS this may have been noticed before!
Maybe UKIP are onto something
Maybe UKIP are onto something – I’m looking out my window at dark grey clouds and a wet patio. This is clearly the fault of the gays, and the rain that is falling on hetero me is just collateral damage as God is clearly aiming it at my neighbours.
That’s why the weather in Russia is so pleasant these days – perhaps Putin isn’t actually an evil homophobe, he just likes to keep his bike clean when he rides it. He takes, erm, pride in it’s appearance.
The rainbow jersey could be an issue though…..
Weather – pleasant in Russia,
Weather – pleasant in Russia, where? Let me know.
Dark grey clouds, and wet here too, so maybe gays are about 😉
The cyclists are few and far between, normally wearing black coats, and riding on the wrong side of the road in the wet, with no lights, – a bit like many of the cars! B-)
‘What I’m seeking is a
‘What I’m seeking is a registration of cyclists – not on all roads, just on main roads in the city’
This is the key statement. What is being suggested is effectivly a ban on cycles on certain routes. The intention is clearly that cyclists will reject the idea of registering and wearing the compulsary gear and instead choose alternative routes or methods of transport.
Quote:”The former UKIP MEP,
I think I’ve read all I need to read.
Nothing to see here, move along.
forced to wear … only
forced to wear … only certain routes…..
where’s my rights, freedom and liberties going here !!!
What a complete pillock !
Just had a very quick read of
Just had a very quick read of this and I think it’s a fabulous idea. Am I right in thinking she’s suggesting all MP’s, MEP’s etc all ride bikes instead using taxpayer funded cars? And they wear High Viz jackets with a number so you know which crank you’re avoiding (or aiming at!)?
It’s a great idea and I commend it to the house!
Does anyone know how long a
Does anyone know how long a hi-viz vest stays creased, after you take it out of the packet (for the photo-op)?
Hers looks suspiciously brand-new in that photo. Still, at least she’s out having fun on a bike, right?
That MEP is a nincompoop.
That MEP is a nincompoop. Surely there must be something more important for her to do.
[[[[ Crikey! If the MEP woman
[[[[ Crikey! If the MEP woman insists we must wear the Custard-Coat, I suspect it’s because she herself has trouble spotting us….in which case she should be banished from the roads, both as cyclist and driver.
P.R.
PhilRuss wrote:[[[[ Crikey!
[[[[[ Come to that, if her eyesight is that bad, she’s also a dangerous pedestrian. Stay indoors, dear. You’re causing more problems than you’re solving.
P.R.