“I think more people came to my birthday party”: Cyclists react to ‘road tax’ and licence petition getting… 262 signatures; Lotto-Soudal take on DiCaprio; Cav on puncture duty; Liz Truss talks speed limits; Vuelta summit finish + more on the live blog
SUMMARY
Liz Truss "prepared to look at" abolishing speed limit (+ promises to "make London Conservative again" from "anti-car" mayor)
It was the Tory leadership race’s Wembley hustings last night and heavy favourite to succeed Boris Johnson as PM, Liz Truss, responded to a question from an audience member about axing speed limits with the line she’d be “prepared to look at that”…
Audience member at Tory hustings calls for the abolition of the speed limit.
Liz Truss says she’d be “prepared to look at that.”
— Mikey Smith (@mikeysmith) August 31, 2022
The question was specifically about smart motorways which is the sort of speed limit, it seems, Truss says she would consider abolishing…in full, she said:
“I agree with you. I absolutely think that we need to review them and stop them if they’re not working as soon as possible. All the evidence I have agrees with the point you’re making on smart motorways.
“On speed limits, I’d be prepared to look at that. I can’t give you a precise answer on that point. But I do believe that the smart motorways experiment hasn’t worked.”
Speed limits save life. Why? Well… In the UK, 4-5 people die on average every day in road crashes. The most frequent contributory factor is ‘speeding’. Therefore speed reducing measures, such as speed limits and speed enforcement, are essential to support road danger reduction.
— Andy Cox (@AndyCoxDCS) August 31, 2022
Elsewhere at the event she went in on “anti-car” mayor of London Sadiq Khan and said she would “make London Conservative again”.
Truss enters.
“London is the greatest city on Earth. But it’s being let down by @SadiqKhan. He’s anti car. He’s anti business. And he’s holding London back. I don’t believe those people who believe London is a Labour city. No it is not…we can make London Conservative again.” pic.twitter.com/CbYk1K81B6
— Lewis Goodall (@lewis_goodall) August 31, 2022
What do you reckon? More campaign talk or are there genuine concerns about the potential implications for road safety under a Truss government?
Sheepish road users don't pay 'road tax'
They don’t even pay road tax pic.twitter.com/CF1zN6Mbma
— Chris Gerhard 🇪🇺 (@chrisgerhard) August 31, 2022
Disgraceful…
Live from TalkTV studios… “Get the petition”… we need these unlicensed menaces registered, insured and wearing hi-vis tabards so we know whose farmer to blame…
Dutch news from a (delightful) cycle path
Morning friends 👋🏽
Just filmed Dutch news from the cycle path especially for you 😊
How does this compare to your commute this morning…? 🚲#DNFTCP
— anna holligan 🎙 (@annaholligan) September 1, 2022
"Blah blah blah blah yet again saying whatever they want to try and get elected": Liz Truss reaction
Mixed bag in response to Liz Truss’ comments about motorway speed limits…understandably a some of you would like us to stick to cycling… point taken.
We asked if the future PM’s comments have wider implications for road safety under her leadership? Heavily presumptuous on believing a candidate’s ‘pick me’ answers at a campaign event are a reflection of what they’ll actually do in office, of course…
Here are some of your replies…
“Blah blah blah blah yet again saying whatever they want to try and get elected, it won’t happen”
“Completely. Just pandering to the audience immediately in front of her at the time.”
“You’re just trying to wind people up with this rubbish to generate clicks.”
“This is just campaign bluster aimed at the demographic that is London Conservative party members. However, Truss will be far more anti-active travel, anti-public transport and pro car than Johnson who gave Andrew Gilligan a significant role in the Department for Transport. Things are about to get worse in the active travel area in the UK (and they are crap already……).”
Even the pros have to fix punctures...
Mechanic on duty @MarkCavendish pic.twitter.com/t5gSDiBce0
— Peter kennaugh (@Petekennaugh) September 1, 2022
Some bike though…
Hadn’t ridden this bike in 3 years was bound to happen. 😎. #iiiiboundtohappen pic.twitter.com/JSGIwymNNC
— Peter kennaugh (@Petekennaugh) September 1, 2022
ANOTHER ONE
Rush hour in LLanberis 🤣 pic.twitter.com/CtsR2lu6yT
— Lisa Forte (@LisaForteUK) September 1, 2022
This is really getting out of hand, no helmet on this one either…and it’s trotting down the middle of the lane…
Tom Pidcock headlines strong Ineos Grenadiers Tour of Britain team
Where will you be watching the race next week? Ineos Grenadiers are bringing a team packed full of big names for the premier UK race of the year, including Tom Pidcock, Michal Kwiatkowski and Richie Porte…
🗓️ Sunday
📍 Home roads🇬🇧🇬🇧 It feels good to be back!!!! 🇬🇧🇬🇧
Introducing your #TourOfBritain Grenadiers 👋 pic.twitter.com/9Qot21qDaB
— INEOS Grenadiers (@INEOSGrenadiers) September 1, 2022
"It's very disappointing": Sean Kelly on Ireland's decision to skip World Championships
Sean Kelly has spoken of his disappointment at the Irish national team’s decision to skip the World Championships in Australia later this month due to financial pressures. Kelly added the balance of funding for road and track needs to be addressed, with the latter, in his opinion, receiving too much of Cycling Ireland’s budget.
“It’s very disappointing. All those years that I went, and then you had (Stephen) Roche coming up, then (Martin) Earley and the others… Cycling Ireland didn’t support us, ever. Our teams supported us or we had to pay to go, that was the case at the beginning for me. Or at times we might have had a sponsor to support us,” Kelly told Sticky Bottle.
“But the situation now for Cycling Ireland; there should be funding there. Going down through the list of riders, was there really nobody who wanted to go and ride?
“With the U23s; we have a good crop of guys there who are capable of doing something. And for them, for the experience to do a Worlds, it’s disappointing they are not going. Why not give them a crack at it?”
Vuelta stage 12: Lutsenko, Kelderman, Carapaz, Soler, Vine part of 32-strong breakaway competing for summit finish win
⏪ Etapa 1⃣2⃣ Stage | 🏁 – 70 km
🚴♂️🚴♂️🚴♂️ fuga / breakaway
⏱ 7:02″
🚴♂️ Pelotón
#LaVuelta22 pic.twitter.com/g1TTprJ3jk— La Vuelta (@lavuelta) September 1, 2022
The stage victory will come from the breakaway today, an escape with 32 riders, more than 20 per cent of the Covid-battered peloton…
Richard Carapaz, double stage winner Jay Vine and Marc Soler are some of the headline names, along with James Shaw doing it for Britain and EF Education-EasyPost. The group has more than 11-and-a-half minutes advantage meaning Wilco Kelderman could be on the podium by tonight…
The final climb is 18.9km at 6.5 per cent average…will Vine get his hat-trick? Can Carapaz claim one final victory at Ineos? Can anyone crack Remco? Plenty of questions we should have answers to very soon…
😲
Guess we won’t be Leonardo DiCaprio’s favourite cycling team 🤷♂️ pic.twitter.com/2zTxR3GoFb
— Lotto Soudal (@Lotto_Soudal) September 1, 2022
Petition calling for cyclists to be tested, pay 'road tax' and register bikes closes on... 262 signatures
By our maths this petition, which closed on 1 August after six months being live, achieved an extraordinary 1.4 signatures per day it was on the government’s petitions site…just 9,738 short of getting a government response, and a measly 99,738 short of the threshold for a debate in Parliament…
That went well…
But maybe it didn’t get the media spotlight it needed to reach more unknowing supporters? Well, this isn’t the first petition like this to pop up in recent times. In December, the government confirmed it has “no plans” to make cyclists wear identification numbers as it rejected ‘Mr Loophole’ petition. Amazing how plans change when you’re facing the axe, eh Grant?
That petition got the full then-Talk Radio promo, and even warranted a story by the BBC who said it was “gathering momentum”, even when it had closed a week earlier…at least no presenters said anything impartial about it…
> Mr Loophole’s cyclist ID petition “gathers momentum” says BBC – except it closed last week
Oh, and did I mention that despite the full media tour the Loophole petition only just scraped across the 10,000-signature threshold for the government to reject it?
It’s almost like most people outside the culture warring bubble don’t actually care?
"I think more people came to my birthday party": Cyclists react to 'road tax' and licence petition getting... 262 signatures
In terms of reaction to our main live blog story of the day it’s all fairly similar…
https://t.co/WmjEHtzRFT pic.twitter.com/tVQFRSDwTp
— Cardiff By Bike (@cardiffbybike) September 1, 2022
Oh, and a few more…
https://t.co/KtGxtjJIhF pic.twitter.com/ON3vS3Co5n
— Rich Thomas (@RichTea86) September 1, 2022
I think more people came to my birthday party
— Lee Widdowson (@widdowsonatwork) September 1, 2022
😴 call me when it gets to 272
— Adrian Williamson (@Bechdankaus) September 1, 2022
That was fun.
How to wind yarn on a Brompton (because obviously it's a vital skill to learn)
Exceptionally niche tweet, but this is how to wind yarn on a Brompton. pic.twitter.com/qkGTuinOqC
— Annie on two bikes (@annieonherbike) September 1, 2022
Richard Carapaz wins at La Vuelta
🇪🇨 Y por fin… ¡¡@RichardCarapazM!!
🥇Finally… ¡Richard Carapaz! @INEOSGrenadiers #LaVuelta22 pic.twitter.com/LBjoUzD9cH
— La Vuelta (@lavuelta) September 1, 2022
A parting gift from Richard Carapaz to Ineos Grenadiers? The Ecuadorian is off to EF Education-EasyPost next season and has been largely anonymous at the the Vuelta, dropping out of the GC picture early on, but won stage 12, showing his class on the summit finish to Peñas Blancas.
Dropping all 31 of his breakaway companions on the climb, Carapaz won comfortably ahead of Wilco Kelderman, who rises 15 places to sixth on GC, and Marc Soler. Britain’s James Shaw, a teammate of Carapaz next year, finished ninth.
In the GC group, Remco Evenepoel, Primož Roglič, Enric Mas and Juan Ayuso finished on the same time.
Performance of the day?
Skilz @benjeturner S12 #LaVuelta22 pic.twitter.com/hqjWWGinbV
— Andrew Hood (@EuroHoody) September 1, 2022
Floyd?
New “definitely not a Londis” dropped @WHS_Carpet pic.twitter.com/MhRYNqf6A3
— Ninji (@_Ninji) September 1, 2022
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This is one of the worst written articles I have seen. Dozens of typos and grammatical errors. Did anyone proof read it?
David Icke rides a bike.
Would you like to take another run at that?
That's what Big Brother tells you...
Can only go on what's in the article myself - can't actually read the report itself as none of the links on that page seem to work - how did you get to it?
1984 was written by George Orwell not Orson Wells.
Very brief look at this but I'm not sure it says anything much new, or particularly useful. Yes, they point to "some women who rode a hire bike possibly didn't ride before but might ride after". OTOH the *number* of women vs men surveyed didn't appear to be stated (except for one graph with a n=... - which was a lot less than the 5000 mentioned, and there only about half as many women responding there). Otherwise I think it just covers what regularly comes up (albeit perhaps it has to be repeated): - much fewer women from minority ethnic backgrounds. - Women care about socially safe parking locations far more than men do. - Women feel less safe on the roads due to external issues that they have no control over: traffic, road conditions and infrastructure, and harassment.
Interesting counterpoint to the 'hire bike menace' narrative (obviously with the caveat that the report authors have a vested interest in selling the benefits, but...) Appears hire bike schemes go some way to addressing the cycling gender imbalance and, given the point about parking immediately outside the destination, dockless schemes particularly so. https://micromobilitybiz.com/forest-report-finds-shared-e-bikes-are-helping-close-london-cycling-gender-gap/
@chrisonabike True, things went back to normal once the pandemic was over. In this case, however the problems are still ongoing, and aren't likely to be resolved in the near future. If anything, they're going to get worse. Food shortages are predicted because of the effect that the heatwave has had on crops. This is bound to push prices up. The Straits of Hormuz aren't likely to reopen anytime soon and the strategic oil reserves are running low. Russia is having to import petrol because its own refineries have been badly hit, so that's even more competition for an even more scarce resource. I think that more and more people are going to see cycling as a way of cutting household bills.
I think if "grown up" cyclists * are quibbling about ASLs we've very much missed the road safety point anyway. (Not to mention the wider "better transport choices" picture). ASLs are poor-to-useless "cycling infra", even for their design intent. If the idea is "for less confident cyclists" then a design that requires that you re-position in front of the motor traffic - waiting to accelerate - seems unhelpful. Of course they're only designed to help when traffic is stopped, and you can reach the front in time and if vehicles aren't already occupying them. As we're noting here drivers frequently ignore them - whether that be deliberate, a lack of road craft, because they were concentrating on following the vehicle in front, or because the paint has rubbed off. * Aside: shouldn't cycling also be safe and accessible for kids? Or should they only be allowed to do this when accompanied by sufficient qualified adults? Or be limited to parks and otherwise being driven around by their carers? Perhaps there is another way...?
57 thoughts on ““I think more people came to my birthday party”: Cyclists react to ‘road tax’ and licence petition getting… 262 signatures; Lotto-Soudal take on DiCaprio; Cav on puncture duty; Liz Truss talks speed limits; Vuelta summit finish + more on the live blog”
Smart motorways are
Smart motorways are controversial, but they’re a lot safer than rural A roads with a single lane in each direction, which are by some margin the most dangerous stretches of the UK road network. Considering abandoning speed limits is nuts. And London is not likely to switch back to being a Conservative city any time soon, particularly when the current government is bungling so badly. Khan is continuing the policy set first by Livingstone and followed by Johnson in moving London away from being a car-centric city, a similar trend as we’re seeing other major European cities such as Paris, Berlin and Barcelona to name but a few, following models set by Copenhagen and Amsterdam. Truss is either a liar or a fool for saying what she’s said on the topic of transport.
She’s a liar, by definition
She’s a liar, by definition of her job.
OldRidgeback wrote:
She is both!
Thick Lizzie!
Thick Lizzie!
I’d say the relevant
I’d say the relevant comparison for smart motorways is traditional motorways, and by that comparison casualties have increased afaics. Which does put a question mark over them.
By the same token increased motorway speed limits significantly increase casualties, and therefore I do not see that getting through.
So I’d say this is a little bit of hint of red meat for particular lobbies, hedged about with enough caveats that it will never happen.
My measure would be average speed cameras between all junctions on UK motorways.
I’ve seen loads of stats on
I’ve seen loads of stats on smart motorways and I’m not convinced they’re that dangerous. I drive on them regularly, the M3 in particular. They could have more refuge areas but that’s about it IMHO. Some drivers are pretty stupid. I’ve seen people pull to a halt just a few metres from a refuge area when their vehicles have plainly been capable of limping that short distance. You can’t fix stupid.
I agree about average speed cameras. They are great. Not only do they stop people speeding as much, they also cut help crashes and even increase vehicle flow rates, while cutting pollution, fuel use and road noise. Loads of research ont his if you want to google it.
I think cutting the motorway limit to 100km/h or 60mph in old money makes sense. I’d enforce that with average speed cameras. Research shows journey times would actually be reduced overall curiously enough, along with pollution, fuel use, noise and crashes.
OldRidgeback wrote:
But if the limit was raised to 1000 mph, the number of collisions caused by speeding motorists would fall to zero. Problem solved.
Gizza job Liz Truss, I’m better than Shapps!
This is just campaign bluster
This is just campaign bluster aimed at the demographic that is London Conservative party members.
However Truss will be far more anti active travel, anti public transport and pro car than Johnson who gave Andrew Gilligan a significant role in the DfT.
Here are Truss’s remarks to the Conversative Party Cycling Group who asked both Truss and Sunak about cycling…
https://www.cfoc.org.uk/index.php/blog/
Basically a pro-car agenda with cycling to “continue to be promoted”.
Things are about to get worse in the active travel area in the UK (and they are crap already……).
Truss will not have
Truss (or Sunak) will not have responsibility for active travel in the devolved nations of the UK.
Very true and even in London
Very true and even in London TfL has significant control of active travel planning.
Luckily under Johnson we got Highway Code changes, LTN 1/20 and Active Travel England established so hopefully these will still be in place.
I think the main outcome of Truss will be a significant cut in funding for cycling/walking within the DfT.
The twitter comments I saw
The twitter comments I saw included the claim that the speed limit question was within the context of the variable speed limits shown on the gantries and these would be seen as advisory. Not that speed limits in general were advisory.
From experience, any speed
From experience, any speed limit that is not believed to be enforced by cameras on a motorway is ignored. As the whole point of variable speed limits is to manage flow based on knowledge that is not available to the driver, making speed limits advisory would simply result in the return to the good old days of the M25 where you were able to hone driving skills through the application of ABS brakes from 85mph to zero once a mile.
So basically, the people requesting that variable limits to be made advisory are demanding their right to speed, and are little different from those who suggest that speed camaras that catch people speeding are somehow sneaky and underhand (even when signed, it seems) when the answer is simply to abide by the speed limit.
Based on my trip back monday
Based on my trip back monday night where the speed limit was 60 then 50 then 40 good luck with anyone trying to get anywhere near those numbers.
The carriageway was 6 lanes wide at the 40 point where speeds were < 10 mph. Induced demand anyone ?
And the reason it was dropped
And the reason it was dropped from 60-50-40 was to try to enable flow by slowing drivers before they reached the slight queue and speeds dropped further and tailbacks grew longer, and to get drivers to reduce the speed in advance as it is alot easier to slow from 40 to <10 then 70 to <10.
So when people ignore the 40 as only advisable and stay at 70, what happens then when they meet the <10mph queue?
Bloody cyclists…
Bloody cyclists…
Humans are human so if a
Humans are human so if a certain fraction of others are over the limit many more will follow – “all the others were doing it”.
Cars are designed to go faster when you put the pedal down and the dial clearly shows it goes faster than 20 / 30 / 60 / 70 or whatever. As a driver it costs you no more effort *. Artificial bureaucratic restrictions!
I’m not sure what fraction of people have to be penalised before these beliefs to change. Doesn’t have to be everyone but clearly a large fraction more than currently. However if someone shouts through a large enough megaphone “I heard they’re relaxing policing of speed limits” the opposite may come true, because of the very small chance of you getting corrective feedback via a penalty!
* Yet another fundamental difference between driving and cycling – cyclists are humans on bikes so want to move at a decent speed also. However the faster you go the more effort is required (exponentially, due to air resistance becoming dominant at higher speeds).
You’re just trying to wind
You’re just trying to wind people up with this rubbish to generate clicks.
Well. That’s new.
Well. That’s new.
Blah blah blah blah yet again
Blah blah blah blah yet again saying whatever they want to try and get elected, it won’t happen
Completely. Just pandering
Completely. Just pandering to the audience immediately in front of her at the time.
“All the evidence I have agrees with the point you’re making on smart motorways.”
That “evidence” being what the bloke asking the question just said.
All she’ll probably do is try to privatise the motorway network
Clem Fandango wrote:
If that’s all she does, then it wouldn’t be so bad, but I suspect the Pound-Land Thatcher will try to privatise everything for a quick buck and loosen regulations so that companies can profit from further destroying our environment.
Youd think this would be
Youd think this would be bigger cycling related content this morning
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/department-for-transport-government-cycling-uk-dft-people-b1022129.html
But sure let’s waste a bunch of energy debating barely even a half hearted commitment to review speed limits on motorways.
Maybe CyclingUK need to up their twitter game to get more hits with this stuff.
I think the numbers for
I think the numbers for active travel will jump this winter. It is cheap and warms you up.
Its sad, it has had to come to this. Increase in active travel by “need” not “want” and certainly not improved infrastructure.
It will be the only way people can afford to go to work.
Thanks for highlighting that,
Thanks for highlighting that, definitely one for us to take a look at.
If you can ask Truss anything
If you can ask Truss anything at a hustings I do hope someone suggests she re-establishes the Paedophile Information Exchange just to hear her say she’ll consider it and to hear the audience response.
Is it time for that Brass Eye
Is it time for that Brass Eye special again? You know it makes nonce-sense.
Why no British National
Why no British National Champion’s jersey for Cav? Did I miss something?
MattieKempy wrote:
Probably in the wash.
MattieKempy wrote:
Good question. Best guess is that team’s got them at the service course in Belgium? Only races he’s done since winning in June are Poland and then the Commonwealth Games where of course he was in IoM kit.
Just seen on BBC One local
Just seen on BBC One local Look East news, Thames Valley Police tactical cycling unit. They’re finding bikes good for sneaking up on ne’er-do-wells, as often approaching police cars are heard, but the bikes are much quieter.
Here’s a screengrab of them performing the wheel-wedgie manoeuvre on a scruffy looking mountain biker…
It’s now on iPlayer (until
It’s now on iPlayer (until 7pm tomorrow), at 13mins 50sec in…
https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m001bnz1/look-east-west-evening-news-01092022
Fat lad wasn’t at the back !
Fat lad wasn’t at the back !
hirsute wrote:
lol! apart from that, it’s as you’d imagine!
I’m not sure why they feel the need to demonstrate disarming a knife wielding attacker by throwing a bike at them or apprehending an unsuspecting pedestrian with a skid and a rapid kickstand deployment (which I’m actually much quicker at, as experience means I don’t have to stare at the kickstand!).
Police on bikes should be all about covering the beat more efficiently whilst remaining approachable to the public; more visible deterrent and public relations than high(ish) speed chases. You can do all that on a sensible dutch style town bike with dynamo lights so you don’t have to stop when it gets dark!
HoarseMann wrote:
Although when you do stop, they go dark.
If that person wants cyclists
If that person wants cyclists to pay vehicle excise duty, then presumably they also want all electric cars to pay VED too? After all, there’s all those Teslas driving around and not contributing to the roads either…
Bloody cyclists better pay
Bloody cyclists better pay for their fair share of the damage they do to the roads!!
HMRC will be round for their 0.6p per year on the 1st of january.
I would actually support a
I would actually support a “Road Tax” system based on relative damage/wear caused to the road surface (based vehicle weight, ect), with a base rate of £1-2 that applies to cyclists.
It’d be worth it simply to see the looks on the faces of all the DM readers when – having thought they’ve finally “won”, and “stuck it to the bloody cyclists” – they realise it’s going to cost them £15,000 a year to keep thier Ford Focus on the road.
£12bn spent on roads, 40
£12bn spent on roads, 40 million licenced vehicles. That gives £300 per vehicle, not quite £15,000.
I was referring to the actual
I was referring to the actual relative damage caused to the road surface by a bicycle compared to a car – I forget the actual equation, but it’s based on something like relative load per axle raised to the fourth power – that means that the average hatchback causes thousands of times as much damage to a given square metre of road surface by driving over it once as a bicycle would.
So, if a Road Tax system charged a cyclist £1, the charge to a normal car would be relative to this. Which is where my comical number was coming from.
I was referring to the actual
I was referring to the actual cost of maintaining the roads, which I’d assume was a better measure of the cost. But I take your point if you are using £1/bicycle as the base unit charge.
It was quite obviously a joke
I mean, it was quite obviously a joke, but okay.
That’s not the cost of
That’s not the cost of maintaining roads, that is just what is spent each year. The actual cost to maintain is far higher.
Sriracha wrote:
Look at the roads. The actual cost of maintaining roads is not doing so. Deferred maintenance is why they are mostly rubbish.
BalladOfStruth wrote:
Looks like we need a chart.
By the power of math, I figure that a £1 charge for the heaviest bike rider would be equivalent to £16,666 for an average car.
The “average car” is heavier
The “average car” is heavier than a Rav4?
Sriracha wrote:
Probably an average car for the U.S.
Especially if you include the
Especially if you include the occupants.
Sriracha wrote:
Wouldn’t surprise me. A Rav4 (at least the version that was out when the above table was made) is a compact crossover SUV – essentially a hatchback on stilts – and simply going by the amount of executive saloons, full-size SUVs, and stupid off-road pickups I see in these parts I wouldn’t be at all surprised to find the average weight is heavier.
I read somewhere that the average weight of cars sold last year was 1.8t, which is ~200kg heavier than that model of Rav4 (I know that the average weight of the cars sold in a recent period isn’t the same thing as the average weight of all cars in the UK, but it’s a good indicator).
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Yeh but. Accuracy, snaccuracy. Facts don’t seem to be relevant when closed minds are having a rant.
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Rant? No, I can see a
Rant? No, I can see a whimisical discussion on fair changes to VED (or whatever renaming is done) if cyclists are expected to pay it.
Only Rant is from you at the end for some unfathomable reason. Or do you want you bike to be taxed and registered?
Who says the police don’t do
Who says the police don’t do anything about cyclists running red lights ?
High speed chase !
hirsute wrote:
I know the rider is a complete moron who will probably hurt himself or worse, someone else but I still had to laugh at him making the Police SUV look silly.
And not the only moron either
And not the only moron either.
Amazing how the government
Amazing how the government allow the import and selling of obvious motorvehicles without insisting on pre-registration.
AlsoSomniloquism wrote:
Registration is only required for using them on public roads, so it would be presumptious to insist that everything that can go on the roads, will go on the roads (though it does seem likely with e-scooters and e-bikes). It’s perfectly legal to ride around on unregistered vehicles on private land e.g. a farm
https://newsthump.com/2022/09
https://newsthump.com/2022/09/01/liz-truss-to-launch-kill-a-child-not-your-speed-campaign/
If anyone listened to PM
If anyone listened to PM yesterday on Radio 4, there was a very good interview with an academic explaining why getting rid of motorway speed limits was a really bad idea for lots of reasons.