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L.A. Intentional: cyclist escapes serious injury after shocking hit and run; Ealing’s LTNs have gone, but the traffic hasn’t; Proviz on a Peloton; Rudi Selig’s lunchbox; An interesting bit of route design in France + more on the live blog

It’s Friday, there’s plenty of cycling on TV, and Ryan Mallon is back to ease you into the weekend on today’s live blog… What more could you want (except maybe Dan)?
  • by Ryan Mallon
Fri, Feb 04, 2022 09:26
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  • Remco’s gravel woes continue as Vlasov blasts off
  • Last thoughts on the Highway Code?
  • Team GB moves to temporary new home in Derby
  • 2022 kit rankings, Pro Cycling Trumps style
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4 February 2022, 09:26

Remco’s gravel woes continue as Vlasov blasts off

Apologies for that headline, but I couldn’t resist…

Anyone who thought that Remco Evenepoel’s struggles on the sterrati at last year’s Giro were a one-off may start to reconsider after today’s frenetic finish at the Volta a la Comunitat Valenciana, won by Bora-Hansgrohe’s Aleksander Vlasov.

To be fair to the prodigious Belgian, who looked so convincing riding into yellow on Wednesday’s stage, Evenepoel held his own after a wobbly start on the gravel section of the final climb to Antenas del Maigmó. However, his efforts on the dirt roads soon appeared to take their toll as he quickly looked laboured and over geared during the frighteningly steep (but tarmacked) final kilometre to the finish.

Vlasov Tour of Valencia (via GCN)
Vlasov Tour of Valencia (via GCN) (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)
Vlasov Tour of Valencia (via GCN)
Vlasov Tour of Valencia (via GCN) (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)

There were no such problems for Vlasov, who finished 14 seconds ahead of Ineos Grenadiers’ Carlos Rodriquez and over 40 ahead of Evenepoel in eighth, ceding the Quick Step-Alpha Vinyl rider of the yellow jersey in the process.

As the first true summit finish of 2022, today’s exhilarating and unpredictable finale bodes well for this season’s stage races.

Today’s stage also bodes well for the grand old man of the World Tour, Alejandro Valverde. The 41-year-old looked strong while riding over the gravel in support of Movistar teammate Enric Mas, proving that there’s still life left in the old dog yet.

While the grizzled Spaniard insists he will retire at the end of this season, I’m convinced he’s trying to outdo 50-year-old can’t-believe-he’s-still-racing Davide Rebellin. But sure, that’s what cycling needs more of, riders who were knocking about the peloton in 2005. Right?

4 February 2022, 09:26

Last thoughts on the Highway Code?

Someone was telling me yesterday that the changes to the highway code are crazy and will lead to more cyclist deaths.

I’m quite hopeful that the opposite will be true. Cyclists do their best to stay alive anyway – now drivers have been told to keep them alive too.

— 🚲 That woman on the bike (@cyclingjudy) February 4, 2022

4 February 2022, 09:26

Team GB moves to temporary new home in Derby

With the Manchester velodrome currently undergoing renovation work, Team GB has upped sticks and moved 63 miles to the Derby Arena, the squad’s home for the next seven months as it prepares for the Commonwealth Games.

The squad will also use facilities at the University of Derby while it is based in the city.

“We are really excited to be setting up home in Derby for the coming months. For us there is a huge opportunity to supercharge the sport in the city and to put down some roots which leave a real legacy to be built upon,” said Tom Stanton, head of performance pathways at Team GB.

“The velodrome is a fantastic facility and we are hoping to enhance this further through upgrades of timing systems and further development of the arena’s staff.”

The Derby Arena opened in March 2015 and hosted its first major track event, the Revolution Series, in August that year.

Cycling writer and time trial specialist Michael Hutchinson had some ‘deep thoughts’ about the move:

The GB cycling team are moving to Derby for the next few months while Manchester Velodrome is refurbished. Always enjoyed the resemblance between Derby Velodrome and Deep Thought. pic.twitter.com/a1wQK5KJLO

— Michael Hutchinson (@Doctor_Hutch) February 4, 2022

4 February 2022, 09:26

2022 kit rankings, Pro Cycling Trumps style

With the 2022 road season now under way in earnest, we’re finally seeing all the shiny new kits and bikes in action, instead of the endless barrage of promotional material we were subjected to in January.

With that in mind, Pro Cycling Trumps – in its own inimitable style – has provided a handy guide for fans to get to grips with the new fashion trends in the peloton (as well as a generally accurate ranking system).

We can’t have anyone sitting down for Opening Weekend wondering why Cofidis are suddenly cool, and why Michael Matthews is wearing a jersey that looks like it was attacked by a massive blue felt tip…

2022 Men’s World Teams Kits and Bikes rated 😶➡️😍 pic.twitter.com/SoQU4036aj

— pro cycling trumps (@procycletrumps) February 4, 2022

So, who do you reckon is rocking the hottest threads this season? I’ll have another think over the weekend, so stay tuned for road.cc’s definitive, super official ‘best of 2022’ kit list… Or not, we’ll see how it goes. 

4 February 2022, 09:26

"I almost died...I'm back! Let's rock!": Egan Bernal looking to the future after successful final surgery

"I almost died...I'm back! Let's rock!": Egan Bernal looking to the future after successful final surgery

Giro d'Italia winner underwent another successful spinal operation on Wednesday, with doctors reporting "excellent clinical results"

4 February 2022, 09:26

Looks like Howard Cox has popped up again (no sniggering at the back...)

"Lunatic Highway Code" encourages road rage and gives cyclists carte blanche, Fair Fuel UK boss claims

"Lunatic Highway Code" encourages road rage and gives cyclists carte blanche, Fair Fuel UK boss claims

Howard Cox claimed changes "must have been authored by an asylum inmate" and is a "cyclists' charter to ride any way they wish"

4 February 2022, 09:26

Derbyshire Police share video of cyclist fined for jumping red light — insist "cyclists must stop"

Derbyshire Police share video of cyclist fined for jumping red light — insist "cyclists must stop"

"Cyclists must stop for red traffic lights like other vehicles. He was stopped and issued a ticket."

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72 thoughts on “L.A. Intentional: cyclist escapes serious injury after shocking hit and run; Ealing’s LTNs have gone, but the traffic hasn’t; Proviz on a Peloton; Rudi Selig’s lunchbox; An interesting bit of route design in France + more on the live blog”

  1. eburtthebike
    February 4, 2022 at 9:38 am
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    The only question now is how

    The only question now is how the people who demanded the LTNs removals will justify their position?  This is going to take some weapons grade double speak to explain why their vision of sunny uplands and frolicking unicorns hasn’t come to pass.

    Sorry, I got a bit into Brexit mode there.

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    • Steve K
      February 4, 2022 at 9:42 am
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      eburtthebike wrote:

      The only question now is how the people who demanded the LTNs removals will justify their position?  This is going to take some weapons grade double speak to explain why their vision of sunny uplands and frolicking unicorns hasn’t come to pass.

      Sorry, I got a bit into Brexit mode there.

      — eburtthebike

      They won’t, though.  They’ve won, they’ll just disappear.

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      • nniff
        February 4, 2022 at 10:03 am
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        If the Council has got any

        If the Council has got any integrity, it should point out that the removal of the schemes has been unsucessful and has generated a number of anti-social effects.  The right thing to do, having established the fallacies of the nay-sayers’ position, would be to to reinstate the LTNs.

        I used to commute to Hanger Lane by bike.  Initially, I thought it would be desperate, but I established that there were a large number of roads that were closed to thorugh traffic, specifcally to avoid them being rat runs for the North Circular.  The principle is well-proven – put high volumes of traffic where it belongs.

        PS: initial forays onto the north circular were traumatic – for one stretch, the best course for survival was drafting a skip lorry at just under 30mph in the rain.  Not someting that I ever wish to repeat

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      • Captain Badger
        February 4, 2022 at 10:05 am
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        Steve K wrote:

        ….

        They won’t, though.  They’ve won, they’ll just disappear.

        — Steve K

        Sadly not. They’ll teleport a few miles to be “concerned residents” at the next front line

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        • chrisonabike
          February 4, 2022 at 10:27 am
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          Captain Badger wrote:

          ….

          They won’t, though.  They’ve won, they’ll just disappear.

          — Captain Badger

          Sadly not. They’ll teleport a few miles to be “concerned residents” at the next front line

          — Steve K

          Whassat? You’re saying that people complaining might not actually live there?  Surely it can’t just be a minority of drivers irritated that they can’t drive through all the places that they want?  But who would be so selfish as to repeatedly demand everyone else including non-motorists has to be inconvenienced and experience elevated risks just so the they can proceed with marginally more dispatch or disembark from their vehicle anywhere?  Especially given that when multiple people do this you’ll be slower and hunting for a parking space anyway?

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          • Rendel Harris
            February 4, 2022 at 10:48 am
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            chrisonatrike wrote:

            You’re saying that people complaining might not actually live there?  

            — chrisonatrike

            I can tell you’re shocked! I know that opponents of the Dulwich LTN were openly promising on Twitter to opponents of the Ealing LTNs that they would put in complaints about Ealing if their counterparts would do the same re Dulwich. With the Dulwich LTN Southwark Council sent information to all local residents who could conceivably be affected containing a registration number they were asked to quote when making any comments or objections: IIRC only 2000 of the 11000 responses to the consultation had such a number on them.

          • markieteeee
            February 4, 2022 at 6:15 pm
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            This probably explains why

            This probably explains why many of the anti posters around Dulwich (as well as banners at the tiny protest) are/were against things that aren’t even happening in Dulwich.  The lack of local knowledge certainly gives the impression they were printed up for a different campaign. 

          • Captain Badger
            February 4, 2022 at 10:53 am
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            chrisonatrike wrote:

            …..

            Whassat? You’re saying that people complaining might not actually live there?  Surely it can’t just be a minority of drivers irritated that they can’t drive through all the places that they want?  But who would be so selfish as to repeatedly demand everyone else including non-motorists has to be inconvenienced and experience elevated risks just so the they can proceed with marginally more dispatch or disembark from their vehicle anywhere?  Especially given that when multiple people do this you’ll be slower and hunting for a parking space anyway?

            — chrisonatrike

            I suppose when you put it like that..

            Feel a bit silly now….

      • peted76
        February 4, 2022 at 11:26 am
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        Steve K wrote:

        The only question now is how the people who demanded the LTNs removals will justify their position?  This is going to take some weapons grade double speak to explain why their vision of sunny uplands and frolicking unicorns hasn’t come to pass.

        Sorry, I got a bit into Brexit mode there.

        — Steve K

        They won’t, though.  They’ve won, they’ll just disappear.

        — eburtthebike

        This 100%.. they’ll just fade into the background until someone else comes along trying to change the status quo. It’ll take a brave ‘councillor’ to try and implement LTN again in Ealing.

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    • Miller
      February 4, 2022 at 9:58 am
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      eburtthebike wrote:

      Sorry, I got a bit into Brexit mode there.

      — eburtthebike

      Why wouldn’t you. They’re exactly the same people.

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      • IanMK
        February 4, 2022 at 11:14 am
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        Miller wrote:

        Sorry, I got a bit into Brexit mode there.

        — Miller

        Why wouldn’t you. They’re exactly the same people.

        — eburtthebike

        I’m not so sure, all the Brexiteers told me to shut up “remoaning” because I had lost. They can’t possibly be the same guys that elected a cycle friendly PM, failed to respond to a consultation about the HC and now want the changes revoked. Surely those guys would shut up because they lost.

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        • GMBasix
          February 4, 2022 at 12:06 pm
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          IanMK wrote:

          Sorry, I got a bit into Brexit mode there.

          — IanMK

          Why wouldn’t you. They’re exactly the same people.

          — Miller

          I’m not so sure, all the Brexiteers told me to shut up “remoaning” because I had lost. They can’t possibly be the same guys that elected a cycle friendly PM, failed to respond to a consultation about the HC and now want the changes revoked. Surely those guys would shut up because they lost.

          — eburtthebike

          The difference between remainers and man-in-the-street* brextremists is not that remainers have lost – we’ve all lost – it’s that remainers realise that we’ve all lost.

          (* obviously, ERG members, Farage, etc, have not lost, because they have the wherewithal to ensure they float to the surface when the toilet is flushed.)

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          • hawkinspeter
            February 4, 2022 at 12:12 pm
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            GMBasix wrote:

            The difference between remainers and man-in-the-street* brextremists is not that remainers have lost – we’ve all lost – it’s that remainers realise that we’ve all lost.

            (* obviously, ERG members, Farage, etc, have not lost, because they have the wherewithal to ensure they float to the surface when the toilet is flushed.)

            — GMBasix

            Floating to the surface is often a sign of too much fibre (or possibly pancreatitis) – add it to your diet gradually so that your gut can adjust to it.

          • mdavidford
            February 4, 2022 at 12:31 pm
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            I see we’ve gone to the

            I see we’ve gone to the talking crap stage of the thread even earlier than usual.

          • hawkinspeter
            February 4, 2022 at 12:47 pm
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            mdavidford wrote:

            I see we’ve gone to the talking crap stage of the thread even earlier than usual.

            — mdavidford

            It’s Friday – some people will want to leave early

          • Daveyraveygravey
            February 4, 2022 at 2:01 pm
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            hawkinspeter wrote:

            I see we’ve gone to the talking crap stage of the thread even earlier than usual.

            — hawkinspeter

            It’s Friday – some people will want to leave early

            — mdavidford

             

            So they can get stuck in traffic…

          • eburtthebike
            February 4, 2022 at 2:30 pm
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            GMBasix wrote:

            The difference between remainers and man-in-the-street* brextremists is not that remainers have lost – we’ve all lost – it’s that remainers realise that we’ve all lost.

            — GMBasixOh, we all realise we’ve lost, even the most rabid Brexiteer knows that; they just can’t admit it.

          • SimoninSpalding
            February 4, 2022 at 4:09 pm
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            eburtthebike wrote:

            The difference between remainers and man-in-the-street* brextremists is not that remainers have lost – we’ve all lost – it’s that remainers realise that we’ve all lost.

            — eburtthebike

            Oh, we all realise we’ve lost, even the most rabid Brexiteer knows that; they just can’t admit it.

            — GMBasix

            If only that were true. The fact that Kent has been turned into a lorry park, businesses have moved overseas, stopped exporting/ importing are all fake news/ coincidence/ Covid related as we all know. Except that Covid is fake news too.

    • IanMK
      February 4, 2022 at 10:09 am
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      I read an article the other

      I read an article the other day on Adam Tranter and the change to mobility credits in the West Midlands allowing up to £1500 of the £3000 trade in to be spent on a cycle. Entirely sensible you would have thought, the whole idea of the scheme is to give people choice and break dependence on the car as their primary source of transport, whilst removing the most polluting vehicles from the streets of Coventry. Not according to some of the comments. You’d think that people were being forced to give up their car and buy a bike, one even suggested (WTAF) that the £3000 could be given to people without a car to fund buying a car.

      Some people will go to any length to defend car usage and bash any other alternative. The conclusion can only be that these commentators are actually genocidal lunatics hell bent of planetry destruction.

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      • stonojnr
        February 4, 2022 at 11:06 am
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        Well just look how a local
        Well just look how a local paper reports recent traffic congestion here, its everyone elses fault bar the traffic actually causing the congestion. The council have now fined Anglian water for the roadworks,for not implementing an all day manual traffic control as specified, as im sure that will totally fix the problem.

        https://www.ipswichstar.co.uk/news/business/frustrations-over-standstill-traffic-in-ipswich-town-centre-8666760

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        • IanMK
          February 4, 2022 at 11:46 am
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          It’s difficult to comprehend

          It’s difficult to comprehend the lack of imagination combined with entirely selfish motives.

          Although, I confess, when I go to the chippy I drive as I don’t want them cold and if the wine shops customers only buy wine in such quantities that they would need a car to pick them up then it’s unlikely they are in to active travel smiley

           

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          • chrisonabike
            February 4, 2022 at 12:42 pm
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            Ah – you must have one of

            Ah – you must have one of those cars with the thermostat at 180 C!

            The wine solution’s simple.  Why schlep four wine bottles home?  Just buy grape concentrate and a litre of vodka.  Hey preso!  You can carry your night in * home under your arm!

            * As alluded to by IanMK if you are likely to want to do this it might not be a good idea to actually carry your shopping under your arm. Or ride a bicycle. Certainly not drive!

          • Grahamd
            February 4, 2022 at 12:49 pm
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            chrisonatrike wrote:

            Ah – you must have one of those cars with the thermostat at 180 C!

            The wine solution’s simple.  Why schlep four wine bottles home?  Just buy grape concentrate and a litre of vodka.  Hey preso!  You can carry your night in * home under your arm!

            * As alluded to by IanMK if you are likely to want to do this it might not be a good idea to actually carry your shopping under your arm. Or ride a bicycle. Certainly not drive!

            — chrisonatrike

            No need to carry said shopping, given bottle cages are designed to hold a bottle of wine am sure a bottle of vodka would fit equally well.

          • chrisonabike
            February 4, 2022 at 1:09 pm
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            Grahamd wrote:

            Ah – you must have one of those cars with the thermostat at 180 C!

            The wine solution’s simple.  Why schlep four wine bottles home?  Just buy grape concentrate and a litre of vodka.  Hey preso!  You can carry your night in * home under your arm!

            * As alluded to by IanMK if you are likely to want to do this it might not be a good idea to actually carry your shopping under your arm. Or ride a bicycle. Certainly not drive!

            — Grahamd

            No need to carry said shopping, given bottle cages are designed to hold a bottle of wine am sure a bottle of vodka would fit equally well.

            — chrisonatrike

            Doesn’t work, mine are already holding my beer.

          • andystow
            February 4, 2022 at 4:40 pm
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            I went to the liquor store

            I went to the liquor store yesterday on my bicycle, bought a bottle of whisky and put it in the bicycle basket.
            As I was about to leave, I thought to myself that if I fell off the bicycle, the bottle would break. So I drank all the whisky before I cycled home.
            Finally, it turned out to be a very good decision, because I fell off my bicycle seven times on the way home. Imagine what would have happened to the bottle!….
             

          • SimoninSpalding
            February 4, 2022 at 4:15 pm
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            Now there’s a subject worth

            Now there’s a subject worth consideration.

             

          • mdavidford
            February 4, 2022 at 2:23 pm
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            chrisonatrike wrote:

            The wine solution’s simple.  Why schlep four wine bottles home?  Just buy grape concentrate and a litre of vodka.  Hey preso!  You can carry your night in * home under your arm!

            * As alluded to by IanMK if you are likely to want to do this it might not be a good idea to actually carry your shopping under your arm.

            — chrisonatrike

            Obviously not. Put it in a suitcase instead.

          • iandusud
            February 4, 2022 at 5:26 pm
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            IanMK wrote:

             if the wine shops customers only buy wine in such quantities that they would need a car to pick them up then it’s unlikely they are in to active travel smiley

            — IanMK

            No need for a car if you’re buying wine in large quantities, just a large suitcase (with wheels). 

          • markieteeee
            February 4, 2022 at 6:23 pm
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            True.

            True.

  2. alexb
    February 4, 2022 at 10:00 am
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    s/ Surely the only logical

    s/ Surely the only logical next step is to reinstate them after a few weeks as the “experiment” wasn’t working. I mean that’s what happened with High Street Kensington wasn’t it /s

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    • chrisonabike
      February 4, 2022 at 10:43 am
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      alexb wrote:

      s/ Surely the only logical next step is to reinstate them after a few weeks as the “experiment” wasn’t working. I mean that’s what happened with High Street Kensington wasn’t it /s

      — alexb

      EDIT That’s what they sed! sed ‘s/a number of residents and local businesses/most cyclists, pedestrians, people living there etc/g’ pressrelease

      …for better sense.

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  3. TriTaxMan
    February 4, 2022 at 10:19 am
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    Surely we all know that after

    Surely we all know that after the removal of the LTN’s in Ealing the sole reason for the traffic now grinding to a halt is the fault of cyclists. 

    Some cyclist is holding up a car in Hammersmith and Fulham and it is causing gridlock throughout the whole of the borough of Ealing

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    • Hirsute
      February 4, 2022 at 10:34 am
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      C’mn it’s the new HC with one

      C’mn it’s the new HC with one cyclist cycling in the middle of the road causing all that.

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    • hawkinspeter
      February 4, 2022 at 10:35 am
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      TriTaxMan wrote:

      Surely we all know that after the removal of the LTN’s in Ealing the sole reason for the traffic now grinding to a halt is the fault of cyclists. 

      Some cyclist is holding up a car in Hammersmith and Fulham and it is causing gridlock throughout the whole of the borough of Ealing

      — TriTaxMan

      Maybe they should provide a separate lane to help get cyclists out of the way of the drivers?

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      • chrisonabike
        February 4, 2022 at 10:42 am
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        On the roads?!  We just told

        On the roads?!  We just told you there was no space (because cars) or money (because building more lanes) for that!

        Meanwhile… the Good Idea fairy will see you now:

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SkyCycle_(proposed_transport_project)

        https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2015/feb/05/bike-paths-abandoned-tube-tunnels-london-underline

        https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/first-look-at-artist-s-ps600m-plan-for-floating-cycle-path-on-the-river-thames-9779298.html

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  4. OnYerBike
    February 4, 2022 at 10:43 am
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    Transport Select Committee

    Transport Select Committee backing the introduction of dynamic road pricing: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-60251046

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    • mdavidford
      February 4, 2022 at 11:13 am
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      bbc wrote:

      vehicle excise duty – better known as “car tax”

      — bbc

      Yep – that’s exactly what everyone always refers to it as.

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    • brooksby
      February 4, 2022 at 11:41 am
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      That’s an awful lot of extra

      That’s an awful lot of extra electronic hardware we’ll have to start fitting into our cars, then…

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      • OnYerBike
        February 4, 2022 at 1:55 pm
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        There are no details on how

        There are no details on how it would be implemented, but I can’t see that you would need any technology beyond that found in a basic smartphone.

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        • SimoninSpalding
          February 4, 2022 at 3:55 pm
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          When it has been talked about

          When it has been talked about in the past it was only going to be for high usage routes, and it would work like the London congestion charge, Dartford crossing etc. using pre-registration and ANPR. Which does make you think it is even more important to get LTNs etc. with a permanant, legal basis before it comes into force as it will make the residential rat runs even more appealing.

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      • Mary Willoughby
        February 4, 2022 at 5:22 pm
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        I wonder if you need much

        I wonder if you need much more technology than is being made mandatory with the introduction of Intelligent Speed Assist. “The system will become mandatory on new cars in 2022 uses a forward-facing camera mounted on the car and the vehicle’s satellite navigation system to identify the speed limit and, if the car is exceeding it, to restrict the fuel flowing to the engine until the vehicle is at the limit speed.”  I realise that not everyone is driving new cars, but it could be a way of phasing the introduction of road pricing as many new vehicles would pay £0 VED. 

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    • IanMK
      February 4, 2022 at 1:45 pm
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      Is the BBCs headline

      Is the BBCs headline misleading (quelle surprise)? I haven’t read anything to suggest that VED and fuel duty will be replaced by road pricing. Road Pricing will surely be a supplimentary tax.

      In 50 years time if you’re driving a “classic” car you will presumably still be paying fuel duty and possibly VED.

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      • SimoninSpalding
        February 4, 2022 at 4:02 pm
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        Actually cars older than 40

        Actually cars older than 40 years old are already exempt from VED, LEZs, the requirement for an MOT…

        The upshot of this is that my 10 year old diesel Toyota  would cost me a fortune to drive within the London ULEZ because it is only Euro 4 compliant, but if I swapped it for a 40 year old V8 Range Rover I would be exempt from not only the charge, but also the requirement to check the emissions being produced complied with the required standards, and would likely be pumping out high levels of carbon monoxide which damages people straight away, rather than a relatively low level of particulates that increases the risk of developing an illness in the future.

        To be clear I am fully in favour of the ULEZ principle, it is just the classic car exemption that makes no logical sense.

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        • Steve K
          February 4, 2022 at 4:10 pm
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          SimoninSpalding wrote:

          Actually cars older than 40 years old are already exempt from VED, LEZs, the requirement for an MOT…

          The upshot of this is that my 10 year old diesel Toyota  would cost me a fortune to drive within the London ULEZ because it is only Euro 4 compliant, but if I swapped it for a 40 year old V8 Range Rover I would be exempt from not only the charge, but also the requirement to check the emissions being produced complied with the required standards, and would likely be pumping out high levels of carbon monoxide which damages people straight away, rather than a relatively low level of particulates that increases the risk of developing an illness in the future.

          To be clear I am fully in favour of the ULEZ principle, it is just the classic car exemption that makes no logical sense.

          — SimoninSpalding

          The logic (I think) was that generally these cars would only be used on special occasions – vintage car rallies and the like – and therefore have very low mileage, and that therefore the expense of VED wouldn’t be proportionate, especially as the owner would almost certainly also have an ‘every day’ car.

          Not saying I agree with that, just that I think that was the reasoning.

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          • grOg
            February 5, 2022 at 1:46 am
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            Only poorly tuned cars

            Only poorly tuned cars produce significant levels of carbon monoxide, which in the case of one old vehicle amongst mainly modern cars today, which only produce minute amounts of the gas, would not damage anyones health in the open air; diesel particulate matter on the other hand, is a far worse pollutant for human health; so bad, that diesels should never have been allowed as an engine outside of heavy vehicle use.

      • OnYerBike
        February 4, 2022 at 5:16 pm
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        IanMK wrote:

        Is the BBCs headline misleading (quelle surprise)? I haven’t read anything to suggest that VED and fuel duty will be replaced by road pricing. Road Pricing will surely be a supplimentary tax.

        In 50 years time if you’re driving a “classic” car you will presumably still be paying fuel duty and possibly VED.

        — IanMK

        Actually the full report does suggest scrapping VED and Fueld Duty: see para #9 https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm5802/cmselect/cmtrans/789/report.html 

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        • Hirsute
          February 4, 2022 at 5:50 pm
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          Strange extra characters at

          Strange extra characters at the end of the link – try

          https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm5802/cmselect/cmtrans/789/report.html

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    • sean1
      February 4, 2022 at 2:21 pm
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      And heaven forbid motorists

      And heaven forbid motorists might have to pay more than they do now, maybe they should even pay less…..

      “Motorists should pay the same or less than they do currently, the MPs said.”

      Road pricing is an ideal opportunity to manage demand by charging more for driving at peak times and in residential areas.  But there is fat chance the government will alienate motorists in this way.

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    • Kapelmuur
      February 4, 2022 at 4:04 pm
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      OnYerBike wrote:

      Transport Select Committee backing the introduction of dynamic road pricing: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-60251046

      — OnYerBike

      Bikes could be fitted with the chip that triggers road pricing, that would end the complaints that cyclists don’t pay “road tax”.

      The 1p per 1,000 miles or whatever is fair for a bike v a SUV would be a literal small price to pay.

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      • Awavey
        February 4, 2022 at 4:35 pm
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        It wouldn’t end the
        It wouldn’t end the complaints at all, it’s simply being used currently as a shorthand way of out grouping people, its basically “they dont pay as much as me to use this road, so its unfair,waah”.

        Even if you paid the same as a car, there would just be people claiming you dont pay enough.

        Apparently all new cars will end up with GPS tracking speed limiters within the next decade, so the means to apply it will soon be available and it could just be run alongside a VED regime till the tipping point means VED is not required anymore.

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  5. brooksby
    February 4, 2022 at 11:48 am
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    Nice recovery from that

    Nice recovery from that American cyclist, on the hit and run story.

    I wonder if the Hyundai driver was even looking, or (given the brake lights) even noticed the cyclist until they hit them…

    What do they say – never attribute to malice something that can be explained by incompetence?

    My money would be on mobile phone use.  Not an excuse, mind.

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    • FrankH
      February 4, 2022 at 3:01 pm
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      I know it’s not the done

      I know it’s not the done thing here to put any of the blame on the poor mistreated cyclist…

      But (you knew there was a but coming, didn’t you?) It looks like it’s going to be a “Near Miss Of The Day candidate” close pass (or a very close pass) until about the 4 second mark when the cyclist veers to the left, away from the white line  and in front of the car.

      Not that that excuses the run part of the hit and run, of course.

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      • mdavidford
        February 4, 2022 at 3:20 pm
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        Except that (a) given the

        Except that (a) given the line the driver was taking, they would have hit the cyclist regardless of the little wobble, and (b) when passing a cyclist they should be giving enough room that a small deviation like that can be made without it causing a collision.

        Edit: This is the moment of collision. I can’t see any position on the road there where the cyclist would have avoided being hit.

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        • FrankH
          February 4, 2022 at 6:15 pm
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          About half a second before

          About half a second before impact. If he’d stayed there he might have/probably would have been hit but might have got away with a very close pass. He moved a foot or so to the left which made the collision inevitable.

           

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          • Hirsute
            February 4, 2022 at 7:08 pm
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            Ah well, as long as it was
            Ah well, as long as it was only probably…

            Although the wing mirror looks on collision course.

            Where exactly are you going with this ?

      • Hirsute
        February 4, 2022 at 3:31 pm
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        Hardly veers and would have

        Hardly veers and would have been hit anyway.

        If you look back at previous nmotds, people will point out where the cyclist was at fault or where they could have improved.

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        • SimoninSpalding
          February 4, 2022 at 3:51 pm
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          In addition, if I am aware of

          In addition, if I am aware of the approach of a car from behind and there is no space for a safe pass I would deliberately take a dominant/ primary position to head off a close pass, with the thought always being “what if they don’t see me?” My actions generally lead to me not being injured but subject to verbal abuse, engine revving and a close pass with a much lower speed differential.

          My assumption is always that even the biggest @rsehole on the road would not appreciate having me as a bonnet ornament. 

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      • Captain Badger
        February 4, 2022 at 5:22 pm
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        FrankH wrote:

        I know it’s not the done thing here to put any of the blame on the poor mistreated cyclist…

        But (you knew there was a but coming, didn’t you?) It looks like it’s going to be a “Near Miss Of The Day candidate” close pass (or a very close pass) until about the 4 second mark when the cyclist veers to the left, away from the white line  and in front of the car.

        Not that that excuses the run part of the hit and run, of course.

        — FrankH

        Really?? Do you drive light that around riders Frank?

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      • grOg
        February 5, 2022 at 1:36 am
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        I spotted the same thing; the

        I spotted the same thing; the cyclist also looked to his right at the other road lanes, which gave me the impression he was going to merge across to the right, which might have also given the car driver that impression. Given the pre-existing crash damage, perhaps the car driver wasn’t that skilled a driver to avoid the cyclist when he veered left; I noted the car driver braked at the same time the cyclist veered into his path, so it doesn’t look like a deliberate ramming to me.

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        • TriTaxMan
          February 5, 2022 at 9:55 am
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          grOg wrote:

          I spotted the same thing; the cyclist also looked to his right at the other road lanes, which gave me the impression he was going to merge across to the right, which might have also given the car driver that impression. Given the pre-existing crash damage, perhaps the car driver wasn’t that skilled a driver to avoid the cyclist when he veered left; I noted the car driver braked at the same time the cyclist veered into his path, so it doesn’t look like a deliberate ramming to me.

          — grOg

          I agree that the cyclist definitely looked like he was planning to merge onto the lane in which the cammer was occupying.  But the car driver braked at the point they hit the cyclist as a brief reaction to the impact then just sped off.

          Given the pre-existing damage I would hazard a guess that the reason for them speeding off is going to be the fact that they probably dont have insurance and or a licence or both

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    • andystow
      February 4, 2022 at 4:26 pm
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      It takes a lot to shock us

      It takes a lot to shock us over here at road.cc.

      LA: “Hold my beer.”

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  6. GMBasix
    February 4, 2022 at 12:10 pm
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    Hmm… a magnetic mount… as

    Hmm… a magnetic mount… as long as you’re not interested in using your phone’s built-in compass, I suppose.

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  7. Hirsute
    February 4, 2022 at 2:33 pm
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    First close pass under the

    First close pass under the new HC although I don’t expect any difference from Essex Police if I submit as the number plate was very unfortunately and how could I know dirty.

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  8. SimoninSpalding
    February 4, 2022 at 3:46 pm
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    Re: the Proviz advert. I saw

    Re: the Proviz advert. I saw one last night on the way home at 8pm. All in black, no lights. Do they do something the right size and shape for a 68 reg Kia Sportage?

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  9. andystow
    February 4, 2022 at 3:50 pm
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    Surely wearing Proviz gear

    Surely wearing Proviz gear while using a Peloton mitigates the problem of someone’s partner hanging clothing to dry on it while they’re using it, because they didn’t see them on it.

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  10. Awavey
    February 4, 2022 at 4:24 pm
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    Imo as a consumer, my view of
    Imo as a consumer, my view of Proviz is they are a bit one note, in that unless you wanted a super hi-viz jacket, they werent offering much else. The super hi-viz jacket market I suspect is finite, and small given I probably only see a handful of examples per year.

    So it makes sense to me,for them to be wanting to offer something else, which feels more Chapeau/StolenGoat styled to me, as an extra string to their bow and maybe it will boost sales,increase turnover & profit and lead to upselling to super hi-viz jackets too.

    As for a Peloton tie up,well duh its a marketing sponsorship deal, and what else are people going to wear riding even a pretend bike indoors, cycling kit is still the most comfortable & most suitable because its designed for exactly the kind of workout you do riding a bike.

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    • No Reply
      February 4, 2022 at 8:59 pm
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      I bought a Proviz jacket, as

      I bought a Proviz jacket, as you infer it is very good at being visible. Apart from that it is utter shit. Rips if I fart near it, totally non existent waterproof properties. I never wear it any more.

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  11. Hirsute
    February 4, 2022 at 5:48 pm
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    Just need to get this bloke

    Just need to get this bloke signed up to clear the cycle lanes

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tees-60260155

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  12. jestriding
    February 4, 2022 at 6:50 pm
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    Had a look at the Twitter

    Had a look at the Twitter thread and the “I’m a bicycle rider too”…

    https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=keen%20cyclist

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  13. brooksby
    February 5, 2022 at 8:18 am
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    The Grauniad has a story that

    The Grauniad has a story that Amazon is reportedly considering buying up Peloton 

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    • IanMSpencer
      February 5, 2022 at 9:17 am
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      Will I get one free with my
      Will I get one free with my Prime membership?

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  14. mdavidford
    February 5, 2022 at 12:55 pm
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    Quote:

    …ceding the Quick Step-Alpha Vinyl rider of the yellow jersey in the process.

    I don’t think that’s how ceding works.

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chrisonabike 48 minutes ago

Very brief look at this but I'm not sure it says anything much new, or particularly useful. Yes, they point to "some women who rode a hire bike possibly didn't ride before but might ride after". OTOH the *number* of women vs men surveyed didn't appear to be stated (except for one graph with a n=... - which was a lot less than the 5000 mentioned, and there only about half as many women responding there). Otherwise I think it just covers what regularly comes up (albeit perhaps it has to be repeated): - much fewer women from minority ethnic backgrounds. - Women care about socially safe parking locations far more than men do. - Women feel less safe on the roads due to external issues that they have no control over: traffic, road conditions and infrastructure, and harassment.

in: “County lines on wheels?” Ipswich abandons hire e-bikes after ‘safety’ concerns, Bafang launches powerful new motor, 16m micromobility trips in west of England plus more
mdavidford 1 hour ago

Interesting counterpoint to the 'hire bike menace' narrative (obviously with the caveat that the report authors have a vested interest in selling the benefits, but...) Appears hire bike schemes go some way to addressing the cycling gender imbalance and, given the point about parking immediately outside the destination, dockless schemes particularly so. https://micromobilitybiz.com/forest-report-finds-shared-e-bikes-are-helping-close-london-cycling-gender-gap/

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60somethingcyclist 17 hours ago

@chrisonabike True, things went back to normal once the pandemic was over. In this case, however the problems are still ongoing, and aren't likely to be resolved in the near future. If anything, they're going to get worse. Food shortages are predicted because of the effect that the heatwave has had on crops. This is bound to push prices up. The Straits of Hormuz aren't likely to reopen anytime soon and the strategic oil reserves are running low. Russia is having to import petrol because its own refineries have been badly hit, so that's even more competition for an even more scarce resource. I think that more and more people are going to see cycling as a way of cutting household bills.

in: “Urgent need for stronger action”: Extreme heatwaves prompt fresh calls for UK government to prioritise cycling for short journeys
chrisonabike 18 hours ago

I think if "grown up" cyclists * are quibbling about ASLs we've very much missed the road safety point anyway. (Not to mention the wider "better transport choices" picture). ASLs are poor-to-useless "cycling infra", even for their design intent. If the idea is "for less confident cyclists" then a design that requires that you re-position in front of the motor traffic - waiting to accelerate - seems unhelpful. Of course they're only designed to help when traffic is stopped, and you can reach the front in time and if vehicles aren't already occupying them. As we're noting here drivers frequently ignore them - whether that be deliberate, a lack of road craft, because they were concentrating on following the vehicle in front, or because the paint has rubbed off. * Aside: shouldn't cycling also be safe and accessible for kids? Or should they only be allowed to do this when accompanied by sufficient qualified adults? Or be limited to parks and otherwise being driven around by their carers? Perhaps there is another way...?

in: Camera cyclist Dave Sherry laughed at by GB News presenters for correctly pointing out speed limits do not apply to cyclists during 20mph ‘debate’
Ben Graham 20 hours ago

Hi Bungle, I saw you follow-up comment. I can't imaging there's a tolerance of 4 seconds on camera enforced lights, seems an odd decision - an offence is committed if a vehicle starts crossing on a red, any tolerance is discretionary. There does seem to be some odd thinking about 'advanced stop lines' where the rules relating to them are identical to a regular stop line, as explained correctly elsewhere in the Highway Code. It does seem a regular offence. Where I live it doesn't help that some of them are very faint and disappear in rain.

in: Camera cyclist Dave Sherry laughed at by GB News presenters for correctly pointing out speed limits do not apply to cyclists during 20mph ‘debate’
Rendel Harris 20 hours ago

@ktache Not sure he's totally ruled out of the worlds yet (though I think it would be best if he doesn't), normal recovery time is about eight weeks but surgery can halve that...depending on the nature of the break he could be just about fit to ride by the time of the elite men's race, but he'll have missed a lot of training. Hopefully his managers and team will persuade him to wait until Lombardia, if not just to knock it off for the rest of the year.

in: “Impressively dumb” narrow cycle lane criticised as “box ticking exercise” after repainted lane barely covers double yellow lines; Steep gravel climb awaits Vuelta peloton + more on the live blog
Rendel Harris 21 hours ago

@Bungle_52 The Met told me a couple of years ago when rejecting a submission that they needed a clear three seconds of red visible before they would consider it for an RLJ prosecution. I pointed out to them that this meant that at 30 mph a driver could see a light change to red from 40 metres away and still get through without sanction, or 55 m if they accelerated to 40 as most do. They just replied "them's our rules..."

in: Camera cyclist Dave Sherry laughed at by GB News presenters for correctly pointing out speed limits do not apply to cyclists during 20mph ‘debate’
Bungle_52 22 hours ago

@Ben Graham I have just checked the footage from my report. The driver crosses the 1st stop line 4 seconds after the light turns red. All on camera from behind the vehicle. No further action. So I assume the margin is at least 4 seconds.

in: Camera cyclist Dave Sherry laughed at by GB News presenters for correctly pointing out speed limits do not apply to cyclists during 20mph ‘debate’
chrisonabike 22 hours ago

Oh, and active travel funding per head (in England at least) is laughable compared to other places. Plus it is delivered intermittently. It's more like a Blue Peter contest...

in: “Impressively dumb” narrow cycle lane criticised as “box ticking exercise” after repainted lane barely covers double yellow lines; Steep gravel climb awaits Vuelta peloton + more on the live blog
chrisonabike 22 hours ago

Yup, I see those opportunities being missed all the time in Edinburgh. When it gets really bad, dig it all up and put it back down again how it was. Contrast with what seems to happen in NL - when things are dug up the whole thing seems to get a "let's redo this according to the current standards" treatment. They even coordinate with the utilities, so that after a refurb the street isn't immediately dug up again because of leaking pipes / we suddenly realised the new estate being planned for round the corner will want broadband etc. Pros and cons of course - you may wait longer there for changes as smaller changes may be deferred until a major redo is due. (Though in the UK case you likely wouldn't get them at all...) It seems we "can't have nice things" in the UK in part because a) we have greater motor traffic speeds/volumes spead across "streets" / within urban areas b) the funding and organisational responsibility differs. Are we in the "Sam Vimes boots" territory (being too poor to afford better products which not only save money over time but actually work)? There is long term money pressure on LAs and it seems that due to poor construction and maintenance we have to regularly pour money into (pot-)holes in the road. And it seems there's no budget to check up on or enforce adequate standards from utilities work or even private building.

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