Today’s near miss took place on London’s Cycle Superhighway 7 in July when a driver travelling in the opposite direction turned just after one cyclist and right in front of another.
Toby, who sent us the video, said the incident occurred northbound on the A3 at the junction with Union Rd, between Clapham North and Stockwell.
“I put the anchors on fairly aggressively and locked the rear up, so apologies for the swearing,” he added.
Toby was commuting at the time, “on my trusty 15 year old Orbea, which batters every day through rain, sleet, snow, and almost BMWs.”
He says his journey’s only about seven miles or so from Tooting to St Paul’s, but near misses are fairly regular – “Perhaps every other week. They tend to be more of the close pass/squeeze against the kerb/changing-lanes-without-looking type of near miss rather than the blatant pull across like this one.”
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39 thoughts on “Near Miss of the Day 330: Cyclist on CS7 locks up when driver turns across his path”
I hope this was reported, as
I hope this was reported, as it was in the Met’s area? Should be able to make out the front plate
lukei1 wrote:
Not with the resolution uploaded to YouTube. There is next to no detail in that video
BMW driver, their urgent
BMW driver, their urgent journey is worth so much more than the health and life of any mere cyclist.
That’s not a near miss. When
That’s not a near miss. When the car started turning he was at the box where cyclist stop on red.
A smidge of anticipation from Toby and he would have freewheeled a bit and scooted to the right of the car, instead he kept on pounding the pedals.
Pigeon wrote:
If you use that sort of anticipation in London you’d grind to a halt. The anticiptation to which you refer is commonly called ‘hindsight’.
nniff wrote:
Twaddle-Blind Freddy could see that car was coming across.
Argus Tuft wrote:
So are you the latest petrol-head troll, or are you one of those cyclists for whom the point of the activity is demonstrate your ‘elite’ status to yourself and others by engaging in a technically demanding dangerous sport, rather than getting from A to B? I can’t decide which it is. Needs more evidence.
FluffyKittenofTindalos wrote:
Twaddle-Blind Freddy could see that car was coming across.
— nniff So are you the latest petrol-head troll, or are you one of those cyclists for whom the point of the activity is demonstrate your ‘elite’ status to yourself and others by engaging in a technically demanding dangerous sport, rather than getting from A to B? I can’t decide which it is. Needs more evidence.— Pigeon
You’re overthinking it,sport. What we have here is a simple difference of opinion.
nniff wrote:
Agree. I’ll give the benefit of the doubt and assume Pigeon’s not just a troll (first post though…):
The video is 8 seconds long. Watching at full speed, I reckon I would have appreciated the car was going to turn across me at the same time as Toby, about 5 seconds in. Yes, if you freeze frame, you can see the car start to turn at 4 seconds. But do you really think freewheeling for that one second would have made this ok? Or do you think maybe the driver misjudged Toby’s speed and went for a gap that wasn’t there, and it’s just as well Toby grabbed a handful of brakes?
Pigeon wrote:
I must be misunderstanding how the roads work. I didn’t realise that if a driver is in the ASL then they get priority for turning right across incoming traffic.
Pigeon wrote:
Can’t agree with you there. That was a near miss, purely the fault of the driver.
The cyclist in the clip begins braking hard as soon as he crosses the first of the Advance Stop Lines (showing good reactions for realising the car was going to make a dickish move). You can see that from the way that his hands move on the bars to the brakes.
The driver either didn’t care about the cyclist or wholly failed to realise the speed that the cyclist was travelling on the road. I’d be willing to say its a combination of the two factors there.
*edit*
Re-watching that, it is only by sheer good luck that there wasn’t an accident involving the cyclist ahead of the cammer.
The BMWanker starts to turn as soon as he passes the van, never breaking his momentum. If the cyclist ahead of the cammer was 5m further back they would have been a bonnet ornament
*end of edit*
craigstitt wrote:
Not arguing that the driver was wrong-only that you ccould see it coming a mile off.
Argus Tuft wrote:
Yeah, I could see it coming too. Problem is, on the road it’s more difficult to anticipate because there’s no headline saying “near miss – driver turns across cyclist”.
quiff wrote:
More the fact that he was already into the turn,not stopped with his front wheels pointing straight ahead as a good driver would do.When you’ve been a Driving Examiner for 15 years you can almost smell a dickhead.
Argus Tuft wrote:
My point (possibly made a bit more sarcastically than called for) is that when we watch these videos, we’re already primed for what’s going to happen; whereas in Toby’s position I wouldn’t have been looking only at that car and deciding whether it was going to turn, I would also have been scanning other things like: are the lights about to change, what’s the road surface like, do I need to avoid potholes etc.
quiff wrote:
I hear you,but the main object of your attention in this situation should be a right turning car not showing intent to stop.Priorities.Priming has nothing to do with it.
craigstitt wrote:
I was looking to see if anyone else had posted that as it was my take as well. He didn’t even see the first cyclist, just saw space after the van and was going to swing across no matter what. I don’t know if the OP can confirm if there was another car close by anyway which could have indicated the reason to jump across as fast as possible or he just thought “lets get across ahead of that ‘slow’ cyclist”.
Toby here (thought you’ll
Toby here (though you’ll have to take my word for it).
Not reported though I did get the plate from a frame of the video.
I’d posit I have fairly good general anticipation of what drivers are about to do (regular sunday cyclist (not racing), London commuter cyclist, and motorcyclist). I’d agree though, I didn’t anticipate the BMW turning, possibly because of the cyclist in front. Most drivers (even in London) wouldn’t go for that gap. Ofc, expect the unexpected etc etc, but we all operate based upon norms, and that’s not (I’d argue) the norm.
Point to note re swinging right to avoid. I estimate I was doing c.20mph there (ASL box is usually 5m, took me c 0.5s to cross it = 10m/s = 22mph, seems broadly right) as it’s the bottom of a slight descent. Time elapsed between the point of the car starting to turn and me crossing the back of it is about 2.5s, maybe 3s. There’s a lane to the right of me, no idea if there was anything in it. How quick can you do a shoulder check? 1s? 1.5s? i.e. a significant portion of the time available. Not sure I could’ve done a shoulder check, and then swung right in time, so naturally I put the anchors on (and stopped “pounding on the pedals” ).
Everyone has 20:20 hindsight, especially Twaddle-Blind Freddy (it seems). Thanks for the support all.
ChammyTheMoney wrote:
His road position and the fact that he wasn’t stopping,didn’t ring any bells?
Argus Tuft wrote:
You must have lightening reactions, as the van obscured a lot of the view.
Still, might is right.
Argus Tuft wrote:
Argus – the BMW’s road positioning at that particular junction was exactly the same road positioning used by the black car that went straight on. The fact he wasnt stopping became apparent about 4 seconds into the clip, and less than half a second later Toby was hard on the brakes.
Just because you read the headline you were actively looking for the car to make the turn….. you saw it was an 8 second clip, car 1 was by the junction before the BMW came into view, therefore, of course you could tell what was going to happen.
Even Spiderman would have struggled to react better with his spideysense.
Tbh I’d have been more
Tbh I’d have been more surprised had the BMW actually waited
Argus, you’ve said you can
Argus, you’ve said you can tell a mile off that the driver’s not going to stop. What I haven’t heard is what you think Toby should have done differently. At what point in the video do you say you can tell the driver isn’t stopping, and what do you suggest Toby should actually have done differently and when? The fact is, he anticipated it well enough to avoid an incident of the driver’s making.
quiff wrote:
Good question.Once Toby’s twigged to what’s happening he does a pretty fair job of salvaging things.When does it look like the car’s not stopping? As I said before a good driver who intends to stop would make that turn in two stages.First he’d pull up close to the centre of the road with his front wheels pointing straight ahead.Our man was lining up that turn at the point when Toby is crossing the blue CS marking.That’s where it starts to look dangerous.
I’m a bit Hypersensitive about these things but I’ve taken out about 25000 driving tests and turning right across traffic is included in every one of them,both from the turning and straight ahead drivers point of view. In this case I’d be watching not only the behaviour of the car,but where the driver is looking.(You can’t see that in the video).Think of it as a form of body language.
Argus Tuft wrote:
After all these tests all you can offer is 20/20 hindsight and per 325 to ‘expect the unexpected’ (presumably you never venture outside and live in fear of a 747 landing on your house)
You must have exceptional vision to see inside all those cars with their windscreens which reflect light back at you, thereby obscuring the occupants.
hirsute wrote:
Good question.Once Toby’s twigged to what’s happening he does a pretty fair job of salvaging things.When does it look like the car’s not stopping? As I said before a good driver who intends to stop would make that turn in two stages.First he’d pull up close to the centre of the road with his front wheels pointing straight ahead.Our man was lining up that turn at the point when Toby is crossing the blue CS marking.That’s where it starts to look dangerous.
I’m a bit Hypersensitive about these things but I’ve taken out about 25000 driving tests and turning right across traffic is included in every one of them,both from the turning and straight ahead drivers point of view. In this case I’d be watching not only the behaviour of the car,but where the driver is looking.(You can’t see that in the video).Think of it as a form of body language.
— Argus Tuft After all these tests all you can offer is 20/20 hindsight and per 325 to ‘expect the unexpected’ (presumably you never venture outside and live in fear of a 747 landing on your house) You must have exceptional vision to see inside all those cars with their windscreens which reflect light back at you, thereby obscuring the occupants.— quiff
OK-given a similar situation,how would you deal with it? Take us through your mental process as you approach the intersection.Are we trying to be constructive,or just pointscoring?
Argus, the thing is, drivers
Argus, the thing is, drivers don’t usually go particularly fast in central London. When drivers are approaching junctions at 15-20mph, they can slow to a stop fairly easily and quickly, meaning it’s less obvious when they’re NOT going to stop. I’m not sure if that makes sense.
And I’d say road positioning on the approach was normal for a car turning right but stopping, until suddenly he WAS turning right.
TLDR: he was going slow; could easily have been slowing to stop (as one would expect). Road position not a giveaway until he started turning.
Thanks quiff – I thought I reacted fairly well, but would still call it a near miss.
Probably that Toby should
Probably that Toby should give up the bicycle thing, get himself a BMW or Audi, and therefore have priority over all other road users.
To be safe on the roads, just
To be safe on the roads, just try to remember that any BMW or Audi anywhere in your vicinity will pull out on you, whilst not using indicators. It’s in their DNA.
biker phil wrote:
Not their fault if BMW and Audi don’t install indicators!
I got taken out by a driver
I got taken out by a driver doing that. Write off my bike. If the BMW had turned a second later it would have been the same thing here. If your driving decisions rely on second by second timing then you’re doing it wrong.
And you know that if he’d hit the BMW the driver would have given him hell for “going too fast”.
And it’s not an exact science
And it’s not an exact science.Sometimes they’ll be positioned just right,you can make eye contact,and they’ll still turn across your path.
That’s why I gave up the motorbike.One too many of these incidents.It’s counterintuitive but I feel safer on a bicycle.
I don’t disagree in principle
I don’t disagree in principle with any of your points about spotting the signs, but by my reckoning the point at which you think it starts to look dangerous is 4 seconds in. Toby brakes at 5 seconds. It just seems to me that the very best Toby could have done (ignoring reaction times) is spotted the danger and taken action one second earlier. Yes, seconds count, but I’m not convinced that extra second would have made a significant difference to the outcome – it would still have been hard braking and too close for comfort.
I think the only person point
I think the only person point scoring is yourself.
You don’t address posts such as the one by craigstitt it’s simply retrospective analysis of a video knowing the outcome and expectations.
hirsute wrote:
I’m not sure which post you mean,but I did agree with Craigstitt at the time.If there had been a collision,the driver would have been at fault.
Re retrospective analysis,isn’t that what the OP put it it up for?
I’d still like to get your take on the event.
These videos should carry a
These videos should carry a warning, objects in video may be closer than they appear. Usually looks much worse from the saddle than what the wide angle view from the camera shows. Toby’s reaction time is about normal from what I can tell. Just an all too common incident because drivers are poor at judging a cyclist’s approach speed.
What I take home from most of
What I take home from most of these videos is that anticipation and awareness of what might happen reduces the surprise element and quickens reaction time.
As others have mentioned, it is easy to anticipate what is about to happen in a video clip entitled “…driver turns across his path”. However, and this is where the years of experience of actually being in moving traffic comes in, you pretty much end up seeing that title in your head at every junction where a car is involved. 999 times out of a 1000 nothing untoward happens but on the 1000th you already have plan ‘B’ oven ready, as Boris would say.
Thanks for posting, and good reactions in avoiding a collision.
this isn’t my video, but my
this isn’t my video, but my last two London compilations attracted a similar range of opinions. It’s an interesting experience posting such a video and you get comments from a very broad church. They include ‘Well, it was obvious what was going to happen’, to ‘Shit riding’ to ‘Slow down’. It also includes comments that seem to relate to a completey different incident and opinion presented out of context (ie without knowldge of the road layout). My commute has somewhere between 90 and 100 sets of traffic/pedestrian lights each way. Probably well over a thousand side roads – i’m not going to try and count. Each way. And cars beyond number.
The thing with these is:
And therein lies the rub, especially in London. All of the commute is like that. In my case for about 2 to 3 hours a day (depending on whether I’m flogging all the way back up the hill home or drove the fisrt/last 6 miles).
Without the benefit of hindsight you have to ride to what you see around you and the established norms of the way traffic is supposed to do, modified by ‘spidey sense’ and familiarity with the points at which people typically do stupid things. As a general rule, the latter excludes points with good sight lines, lots of space etc.
Driver was definitely in the
Driver was definitely in the wrong but from many years riding motorcycles, I know that I would be hidden behind the truck. I would have started to go to the right of that lane (if possible) to increase the time the driver has to see me.
Glad the cyclist didn’t get hurt.. That junction is terrible as you can also be hidden by buses going straight.