A driver who assaulted a cyclist during a road rage incident will not be charged with an offence by West Midlands Police due to Home Office guidelines – despite the episode being caught on video and bearing strong similarities to one in south east London in 2011 which resulted in charges being brought and a conviction secured after footage was posted to road.cc.
Helmet-cam footage of the latest incident was posted to YouTube by the victim under the user name BlackCountryBikeCam, but was subsequently taken down, possibly as a result of a complaint from the van driver involved, reports BikeBiz. However, the video was mirrored by other users, who have reposted it.
The white van involved, registration number FP07KJN, can first be seen around 10 seconds in, pulling out of a yard, with the rider moving past it on the inside then ahead of it to get around a car that is being parked, although the queue of traffic ahead means that that manoeuvre would not have held up the van.
The rider, who is also on Twitter under the user name CCStev, said that he showed the footage to police, but they told him that Home Office rules meant they were unable to press charges, because the driver, after being made aware of the video, admitted his guilt, and had no previous convictions.
While the police insist their hands are tied, the cyclist is said to have been unhappy with the alternative provided – that he seek a “local resolution” with the motorist, although it is a course of action he has reluctantly accepted.
The van is operated by a Birmingham-based pet business, Weird and Wonderful of Birmingham, which has deleted its Facebook and Twitter accounts as a result of the complaints it was receiving from cyclists, as well as disabling the online feedback form on its website. An email from BikeBiz has gone unanswered.
According to CCStev, “The driver was not charged. He was brought in for interview and initially claimed provocation, that I kicked his van and kicked him in the chest.
“He changed his story when told there was video evidence. He still claimed I kicked him and the van and only after the officer pointed out that she couldn't see any of that, on his solicitor's advice he finally accepted full responsibility.
"Because he had no police record and admitted to the offence, under the ridiculous scoring system imposed on the police he was eligible for a caution.
“As the victim I was given the choice of the driver receiving a caution or I could accept a local resolution, the terms of which that I would receive an amount in compensation and a written apology. I'm far from happy about it but reluctantly accepted the resolution.
“I don't think the police are to blame but the decisions made by Government departments that govern them.
“This was a violent, unprovoked attack that has no place in society and I'm very disappointed and angry that the driver will not face criminal consequences."
In February, national cyclists’ organisation CTC launched a campaign urging cyclists to write to their local Police and Crime Commissioners (PCCs) asking them to make road safety a priority in their policing plans.
However, as this incident shows, Home Office red tape can mean that the hands of the police are tied.




















102 thoughts on “No charges for road rage van driver who assaulted cyclist (+ video of incident)”
I’d love to meet him and have
I’d love to meet him and have a chat
Yeah and seeing as though we
Yeah and seeing as though we dont have any previous we can give him a good slapping with no fear of prosecution. What a crazy justice system we have….
Dog72 wrote:
Is that what is meant by “local resolution”?
Some people are dangerously
Some people are dangerously insane. That’s just not what a sane person does, is it? Jump out of his vehicle, twice, in order to punch someone going about their business? Quite clearly, ignoring any politics of the road, that van driver is unstable and therefore a dangerous menace. At the very least, he needs some sort of counselling to sort out his issues and reduce his dancer to society. And why he can’t be given an appropriate punishment is ludicrous.
Short bloke with muscles.
Short bloke with muscles. Classic Roid rage. Lot’s of them out there.
Remember if this happens to you – your bike is your shield. Stand your ground. No one likes a oily chain set in the face
I heard a story about a Peak District training run where a Range Rover came too close to the group and the driver stopped and got out for some argy bargy. A recently retired pro of huge experience pulled his bike upright ( apparently to turn it around and flee..) and some how managed to hit the driver between the eyes with his front wheel! The driver took to inspecting the adjacent ditch, apologies were made, and the cyclists continued on their way.. 😉
all we need is a name…
all we need is a name…
I suspect the police
I suspect the police interpretation is wrong. He should pursue civil proceedings. The video is damning. Blaming it on home office “red tape” sounds like a classic get out clause. Anyway suspect this guy will get punished by karma eventually. Guidelines are just that not rigid rules. Charge him.
The guy looks like he’s
The guy looks like he’s wearing a onesie…. no wonder he has anger management issues !
No previous convictions mean
No previous convictions mean he is entitled to a caution if he admits the offence, its not mumbo jumbo its what we, as Police officers, have to abide by.
Civil proceedings can still be taken out which is not a Police matter.
typical “our hands are tied”
typical “our hands are tied” whynge by one of the pricks in blue
stumps wrote:No previous
What H O guidelines are these?
stumps wrote:No previous
Exactly what Thames Valley Police said to me when I was assaulted by Timothy Denman. I spent many hours and some expense getting a Judgment against him and then with the support of CTC engaged solicitors to enforce it. He made an application to the Court to pay at a derisory rate which the Court granted and failed to make him pay any of my lawyers’ costs. The result is that taking civil proceedings was completely uneconomic.
http://thecyclingsilk.blogspot.co.uk/2012/09/the-timothy-denman-saga-drags-on.html
I do wish the police would stop saying ‘We will not do anything, but never mind you can always sue.’
On whether hands are tied the ‘Gravity Factors Matrix’ allows account to be taken of the vulnerability of the victim. There is huge discretion here. How many rioters were cautioned after an admitted first offence? Answer: none, all prosecuted.
Where there is a will there is a way.
Sadly there is no will.
cyclinglawyer wrote:stumps
Exactly what Thames Valley Police said to me when I was assaulted by Timothy Denman. I spent many hours and some expense getting a Judgment against him and then with the support of CTC engaged solicitors to enforce it. He made an application to the Court to pay at a derisory rate which the Court granted and failed to make him pay any of my lawyers’ costs. The result is that taking civil proceedings was completely uneconomic.
http://thecyclingsilk.blogspot.co.uk/2012/09/the-timothy-denman-saga-drags-on.html
I do wish the police would stop saying ‘We will not do anything, but never mind you can always sue.’
On whether hands are tied the ‘Gravity Factors Matrix’ allows account to be taken of the vulnerability of the victim. There is huge discretion here. How many rioters were cautioned after an admitted first offence? Answer: none, all prosecuted.
Where there is a will there is a way.
Sadly there is no will.— stumps
It does seem that if you wish to harm someone, make sure they are on a bicycle.
stumps wrote:No previous
Yes stumps we do, he is entitled to a caution if the inspector authorizes it. but given the gravity of the act, and the fact that there appears to be no remorse then there should be a predilection to charge. The problem is now that means the officer in case (oic) will have to compile a file. As there’s been an admission CPS don’t need to be consulted. If I’m honest this looks like a case of the oic taking the easiest route to a detection. A community resolution is much less paperwork, and to a less than dedicated police officer still a detection, which they will be measured on as part of their performance.
HOWEVER policy dictates that the victim MUST agree to the resolution. I am seeing more and more cases of officers “pushing” community resolution on victims as its easier for them than doing a file and going to court. THIS IS WRONG, we’re supposed to support victims aren’t we?
If this was me I’d be making an official complaint about the officer (dereliction of duty maybe?)
swampy wrote:stumps wrote:No
Yes stumps we do, he is entitled to a caution if the inspector authorizes it. but given the gravity of the act, and the fact that there appears to be no remorse then there should be a predilection to charge. The problem is now that means the officer in case (oic) will have to compile a file. As there’s been an admission CPS don’t need to be consulted. If I’m honest this looks like a case of the oic taking the easiest route to a detection. A community resolution is much less paperwork, and to a less than dedicated police officer still a detection, which they will be measured on as part of their performance.
HOWEVER policy dictates that the victim MUST agree to the resolution. I am seeing more and more cases of officers “pushing” community resolution on victims as its easier for them than doing a file and going to court. THIS IS WRONG, we’re supposed to support victims aren’t we?
If this was me I’d be making an official complaint about the officer (dereliction of duty maybe?)— stumps
Well said. Cyclists cycling near Olympic Park – Kettled, arrested, held overnight, charged and a few convicted of ‘public order offences’. A huge amount of police, court and innocent people’s time wasted but it appears the police had the resources available. Violent and unprovoked assault – caution. Nothing to see here folks, he’s only a cyclist.
stumps wrote:
And, do you wonder why people have no trust in the police, no respect for them and most are in fact avoidant of the police? I don’t after seeing that this blatant assault is being swept under the carpet. Prior convictions or not, this driver deserves to be punished for his assault.
What hope do you have if
What hope do you have if there’s no camera?
I have no previous
I have no previous convictions. The next time someone nearly hits me because he’s gone through a red light or is driving like an idiot, can I drag him out of his car and punch him ? I’ll admit it and won’t mind taking a caution ? Can I, please ??
colinth wrote:I have no
As much as I’d like to hear of this happening I wish you the best of luck. But as cyclists seem to be regarded as second class citizens I can’t see you only getting a slap on the wrist.
The expression ‘Police and Easy Targets’ comes to mind.
What a tool. I do hope Weird
What a tool. I do hope Weird and Wonderful have had enough of the ‘feedback’.
Agree with ribena-
It’s a
Agree with ribena-
It’s a depressing thought that even this, with video evidence, turns into a wrangle over punishment. Stuff like this just puts me on edge a bit….
The Home Office issues
The Home Office issues guidelines, but its still up to the police to decide whether or not to caution. The police also have the option to refer to the CPS for guidance.
Its worth noting that the guidelines state that the victims views must also be taken into consideration.
I call bullshit on the police ‘hands are tied’ line. Its a great reminder to everyone to get yourself legal representation, which is easy through the CTC or British Cycling.
So effectively you can get
So effectively you can get away with assault if you admit to it and it’s your first offence..
So the public can have no confidence whatsoever that they will be protected from such violence. ‘mumbo jumbo’ is not quite the term I’d use to describe this ridiculous rule.
If I was the victim and it was my first offence I’d go for a local resolution, succumb to a spot of road rage, admit guilt and then you’d be all square.
Seeing some of the comments
Seeing some of the comments on here it makes you wonder whether all these drivers are at fault in the first place 😕
typical cop response go and
typical cop response go and do your job cop get of the internet and catch someone in the act of assault ride a bike for a week see what it is like you prick stumpy
Some people are never happy
Some people are never happy no matter what the result is.
Sometimes the offender gets off leniently sometimes they dont, thats life, like it or not.
dickhead stumpy
dickhead stumpy
stumps wrote:Some people are
Except the thug in this case clearly hasn’t been to court, but has been let-off through some obscure arrangement. One can think of a number of other scenarios, not involving a motor-vehicle where such an unprovoked, violent assault upon an entirely innocent party would appear to be treated quite differently.
Does it mean that drivers can kill, maim or assault cyclists without any risk of serious punishment?
If the newspapers and this case are any guide. Apparently, it does.
Typical forum *&^% responses
Typical forum *&^% responses earlier to stumps who, given he’s posting on here clearly is highly likely to ride a bike, actually takes some time to explain the process and gets that. Wow. Issues or what. Obviously Stumps must be personally responsible for the home office guidelines …
MattT53 wrote:Typical forum
Totally concur. Abuse of Stumpy in this case is unwarranted. He is not condoning the HO guidelines, just confirming them. He is bound by these in his job and it’s not
a personal decision. I think he is owed an apology.
Though its not like I have never rubbed someone up the wrong way. :”>
How is it possible that this
How is it possible that this guy has not been charged? It’s just an excuse hiding behind red tape, surely. The guy is a danger to others and himself.
sam_everythingvelo wrote:How
Ah, it would seem he has friends in the police service (not police force) a service in favour those who commit criminal acts.
what sort of message are the police giving society?
The cyclist made a bad
The cyclist made a bad maneuver when he tried to undertake the van. What happened next was a completely unjustified. Exactly what home office guidelines allow someone to kick and punch an individual to the ground? I would love to know??
Weird N Wonderful Weird N
Weird N Wonderful Weird N Wonderful .128, Alcester Rd, Birmingham , B13 8EE
Tel: 0121 449 1684 .Pet Services
this is a copy of their yellow pages online listing they claim to know nothing about it which we all know is bollocks do not trade with the shop
Stumpy, if the public have no
Stumpy, if the public have no confidence that the police and or justice system will not look out for them, then it is inevitable that you will get people taking matters into their own hands, in a manner that you, Stumpy, our other law enforcers, may not approve of.
700c wrote:Stumpy, if the
Your right there will be times when people have no confidence in the Police but when you look at some of the comments on here you wonder whether these people will ever be satisified and perhaps they need to look at themselves first before making rash abusive comments.
stumps wrote:700c
Yes there is no need for personal abuse and it’s a shame someone has descended to that level on here.
most right minded people would be satisfied with the police acting upon evidence of abuse supplied and the justice system giving the victim proper justice with the offender prosecuted.
What’s happened in this case is completely unsatisfactory to the victim, hence why ‘our hand are tied’ responses do not go down well..
I wonder if the Police would
I wonder if the Police would have made the same decision if it had been a Police cyclist?
Just a question.
Tom Amos wrote:I wonder if
Tom Amos wrote:
Dont be stupid, of course not! That would be assaulting a police officer! I also very highly doubt that the insane shit of a driver would react in quite the same way if a police officer tooted him…
Weird N Wonderful Weird N
Weird N Wonderful Weird N Wonderful .128, Alcester Rd, Birmingham , B13 8EE
Tel: 0121 449 1684 .Pet Services
this is a copy of their yellow pages online listing they claim to know nothing about it which we all know is bollocks do not trade with the shop
PLEASE UPDATE THIS PAGE WITH
PLEASE UPDATE THIS PAGE WITH THE CORRECT BUSINESS NAME
the offending driver was from Wierd’n’Wonderful of Birmingham.
Weird and Wonderful is a taxidermist in Lancashire and is totally unconnected with this. He is apparently getting quite a few nasty calls.
PLEAE UPDATE THIS STORY NOW!
I am not quite sure who or
I am not quite sure who or what frightens me the most, the idiot in the video or some of the comments being made.
Surely a key phrase from the
Surely a key phrase from the article is that he was “eligible for a caution”, is that not different from having to be offered one ? I refuse to believe that everyone commiting an assault like this MUST be allowed to effectively get away with it if they admit it and its a first offence. Sounds like the police couldn’t be arsed to take it further
Just hang on a minute. This
Just hang on a minute. This is an incident where the Police concerned have stated, rightly or wrongly, that their hands are tied. A regular poster on here, who also happens to be a Police Officer, concurs and notes that these are rules which he has to abide by. Note also that like the rest of us, he can only go off the info provided in the article, so is commenting in a general sense.
Thus, this regular poster on here (over a thousand posts no less) has been personally insulted and told to ‘ride a bike for a week’ – by a person who has been a road.cc user for about the same amount of time (and being active on here far far less).
How the f*** did frustration at the system turn into justification to hurl abuse at a fellow road.cc member who is just one person and not even involved in the incident? Did you also burn an effigy of a recently deceased former PM, and riot in the streets when the opportunity presented itself?
Anyone who thinks that is acceptable is no more than low life themselves and needs to grow the f*** up.
notfastenough wrote:Just hang
Thank you.
stumps wrote:
Thank
Thank you for what? The police have failed to do their job. Simple as.
northstar wrote:stumps
Thank you for what? The police have failed to do their job. Simple as.— stumps
Did you even read the other bit, or just jump in feet first regardless? FFS, how can so many enthusiasts of such an intricate and technical sport be so ignorant of context and detail?!
As for the cyclist filtering between the traffic, what’s the problem? Didn’t cause any problems, other than being in the presence of a raving lunatic at the time.
It’s amazing how many people
It’s amazing how many people who ride bikes don’t actually care and are quick to throw insults around when they come across someone they disagree with.
It seems absolutely
It seems absolutely ridiculous that someone can assualt another person on camera no less, and yet manage to get away with a caution because it is their first offense. I can’t understand that but all that effectively does is tell the driver that he didn’t really do anything wrong. I bet it isn’t his actual first offense, but it is the first time its happened on camera. I’m sure you don’t go from nothing to chasing someone, along a couple of roads, jumping out of your vehicle and chasing them punching kicking and throwing them to the ground. There has to have been something before that was either unreported or not taken further. I doubt it will be his last offense either, given he clearly seems to have anger issues. I’m sure the lack of actual punishment here will have done nothing to curb his violent tendencies. And is a f’ing liar having initially claimed he and the van were kicked.
md6 wrote:It seems absolutely
Your probably spot on there 😕
Civil action for assault,
Civil action for assault, physical and mental injury etc?
This is the sort of thing
This is the sort of thing that makes me scared to go out on the bike.
I’ve been lucky (or unlucky
I’ve been lucky (or unlucky depending how you look at it) to have a lot of full contact fighting experience. Boxing, kickboxing and MMA mostly. There’s only one way I could imagine that situation going if that fat little prick did that to me.
The way my luck has been though, the police would probably roll round the corner just as I remove his face and arrest me for assaulting a motorist!
FYI, don’t let loose on the police for this guys, they literary can’t do anything about it- I’m sure most POs would love to remove this chubby little pest from our generally nice society.
This sounds like a load of
This sounds like a load of old nonsense to me. If someone was caught on CCTV attacking someone else like this, the CPS would prosecute. I know this as it happened to one of my good mates after a drunken night out. In the end the victim decided not to press charges and the CPS dropped their case. In this instance, I would suspect the victim would decide otherwise…
What is more nonsensical, is that, should the cyclist have mounted the curb to get away – he would have received a caution and a £30 fine – regardless of it being a first offence or not.
Pathetic.
(P.s. – this is not directed at Stumpy – nothing to do with him).
Scary really, I sat on a jury
Scary really, I sat on a jury for an armed robbery case when the video evidence wasn’t anywhere near as clear as this. taking into consideration the van drivers driving, the open door in front of another road user and the assault it does make you wonder. maybe the cyclist should have displayed less skill an put the bike into the open door. hopefully this stays on the driver record to have an effect next time because I agree this probably isn’t the first and probably wont be the last. I suspect he might also have lost his job as the amount of grief his employer appears to have received would probably justify that under bring the company into dis-repute. one note of caution thought posting business contact details incorrectly will only hurt the cyclists cause further
Fwiw this whole thing
Fwiw this whole thing wouldn’t have happened if the cyclist hadn’t been so impatient and stupid as to undertake a van that was waiting for a car to parallel park. Why do cyclists do that? Just aggravating an already-insane and stupid driver. Why didn’t he just wait behind the van? Because he’s a cyclist and can go wherever he wants on the roads, including squeezing between a car in the middle of parallel parking and a van waiting to get past?
Obviously that in no way justifies the driver’s response. But come on… just because you *can* save yourself 2 seconds by squeezing between and along cars, doesn’t mean you *should*. Idiot.
smaryka wrote:Fwiw this whole
Because we can?
petethegreek, the contact
petethegreek, the contact details are correct for Weird n Wonderful from what I can see on their website. The article above has mistakenly name them as Weird and Wonderful, which still has not been corrected. You can see the petshop logo on his hoodie in the Youtube video.
Maybe they should do some sort of tie in with Clarkson. This is the sort of behaviour he seems to approve of…in jest of course 😐
I’m informed by an ex-police
I’m informed by an ex-police officer that the caution route is often taken as, not surprisingly in these cash-strapped days, it saves a pile of money in getting witnesses and pulling together a full court hearing, but perhaps more importantly, as a caution for assault (presumably) it should stay on the driver’s record indefinitely and that has been found to have a good deterrent effect over the long term. Some cautions are discounted after a year or two, but one for assault will remain on the chap’s record so if he does do something similar again he will be in major trouble.
If he has caused damage
If he has caused damage and/or injury I would bring a civil claim against his employer (assuming he is employed by Weird and Wonderful as opposed to being Weird N Wonderful) as they are vicariously liable for the actions of their employees.
If nothing else, Weird and Wonderful would become less than impressed by the financial consequences of their employee’s actions.
The video evidence will be admissible in a civil court, though I doubt it would ever get that far.
‘he cyclist made a bad
‘he cyclist made a bad maneuver when he tried to undertake the van’
this. No excuse for the idiot reacting like he did, but ffs, that’s just basic.
The driver shouldn’t have got
The driver shouldn’t have got away with this … he lied about the incident and only admitted to his guilt after he realised that video evidence made his guilt undeniable.
I can’t help chipping into
I can’t help chipping into the debate, and have to say that the tone of some of the comments on this thread is way off line. The law is not actually there to punish people and though it seems clear this guy has lied and will not be ‘reformed’ he might at least be scared by peoples reaction into thinking twice next time; the law is there to make society run smoother.
This is why some of the responses to Stumpy’s rather tempered statements have been just wrong and inflammatory. People are posting details of the guy and naming other people who work there^, why? There is an obviously implied threat of revenge attacks. Road.cc isn’t that sort of internet forum, at least I thought not. Admin could do a clean up on this thread.
If you haven’t been here long enough to have some advise directly from Stumpy then stick around a bit longer and see what is what.
bikeboy76 wrote:I can’t help
Completely agree. Would second request for admins to moderate this thread – naming someone who works for the same company as this guy is wrong, pure and simple and that comment should be deleted immediately. As should the comments by “tired old fart”: abusing other forum members has nothing to do with free speech and should not be tolerated here. It’s not like he doesn’t have form – only a few days ago he was trolling this thread apparently celebrating the death of a pensioner: http://road.cc/content/news/81247-cyclist-dies-after-norfolk-crash-also-claimed-drivers-life#comments
tired old fart wrote:typical
(Unless you’re retired of course…) Why don’t YOU get off the internet and go and do YOUR job? Or does your boss not mind you f*ing about on the internet in the middle of the day?
Hopefully though, the assailant is actually the owner of the business and will loose a huge amount of money thanks to the damage to his reputation. That’ll be a decent enough punishment in itself if he looses his home or something.
If the owner of this business
If the owner of this business has any sense then the employee involved in the ridiculous attack on the cyclist will be suspended/sacked and post a public notice on the website condemning his actions. If not then I can only hope the business goes under, painfully.
Unfortunately the employee is
Unfortunately the employee is her husband! So she can’t really sack him.
What’s more, she’s in the video – there’s a lady passenger early on in it and it is her. So she witnessed the attack as well! Then, she goes and denies she knows him!
So am I right in thinking you
So am I right in thinking you can go and assault someone and of you haven’t got previous your going to get a slap on the wrist and that’s it?!. How on earth can that be right?
It isn’t, the police appear
It isn’t, the police appear to have completely copped out of this, when it should have gone to court.
Oh dear, appalled at some of
Oh dear, appalled at some of the comments made, I always beleved in reasoned debate but name calling is frankly juvenile. It can be treacherous riding a bike in the city or countryside at times but at least on here we can be civil in our discussions with each other!
If you can’t get the little
If you can’t get the little man for assault, isn’t their a case for getting the man in the van for attempted “dooring” which I believe is an offence?
Unbelievable, how easily
Unbelievable, how easily could this incidence have resulted in the cyclist getting knocked off and potentially killed!! For what!! He should be banned from driving at the very least.
The byline “hands are tied”
The byline “hands are tied” is simply not true. The police have the option to let him off; that’s all. He will certainly strike again now hes been given the green flag.
Well it’s obvious the cyclist
Well it’s obvious the cyclist did nothing wrong, ok, he sounded a horn he has on the bike and gesticulated but that seemed to be enough for the drivers “red mist” to take over. Maybe he had a fight with his missus, boss or as a lot of drivers do see the “skinny” cyclist as a “soft” target. It’s hard not to react if its the umpteenth time you’ve been “cut up” by yet another motorist and your already pumping adrenaline from the ride? You have a typical example of what might happen though if you react in any way. Even if you can handle yourself, have some experience in hand-to-hand defence in cycling shoes with cleats you have no balance. Yes you could have a camera but the driver could have a weapon? Anyone can carry a bat in there car as long as there is a ball accompanying it. Even if you defend yourself, with video evidence and witnesses, if the driver is subdued or even rendered unconscious and hits his head on the ground or suffers a heart attack (let’s face it, “flying” in to a road rage and chasing after a cyclist may be the only exercise the usual overweight, stressed and unfit van driver has done in years?) you will find yourself in very “hot water.” It is obvious though that most drivers feel they can do this. basically ABH and get away with it and unfortunately in this case the driver received at best a “slap-on-the-wrist?” Now imagine you have no ability in defending yourself, no video camera and there are four, trained in say kickboxing, “burly” and younger men, on a quiet country lane, maybe they don’t even understand English and have had a bit to drink? You could literally be kicked-to-death?
Really? What an idiot.
I
Really? What an idiot.
I have to say I rarely if ever under take on my bike . . . I just assume that some fool on a mobile phone will swing open a car or van door without looking. Ride defensive, ride smart. No excuses for this sub-human though.
I’m sure they could have
I’m sure they could have prosecuted him for something if they’d really wanted to (a charge relating to his driving for starters), it’s just too much paperwork for them to bother with. As for him admitting the offence – well clearly he didn’t until challenged on it twice, the fact he initially lied to the police should negate him being offered any leniency.
Seems he’s married to the owner of the business he drives for so I’m guessing he won’t be losing his job either, shame.
I hope the victim starts a civil case against him, there’s just no way someone should get off with only a caution for such a blatant assault
I think we are all disgusted
I think we are all disgusted that this driver has got away with this…but because of helmet cameras, you tube, facebook and Road CC website this incident has been seen by thousands of people which I hope locally it could have a diverse effect on him and his business, lets be thank full the cyclist is still hear to show this incident.
@tired old fart If you want
@tired old fart If you want to vent do it somewhere else, we don’t moderate comments or the forum and we don’t have many commenting rules but not abusing other commenters is one of them.
At those that have been naming people they think might be connected with this company – you’d better be damn sure you’re naming the right person and you’d better not name them on this website.
If you want to make your feelings on the matter known to the company do it yourself and don’t try and stir up some digital lynch mob to hide behind.
It is a ridiculous set of
It is a ridiculous set of circumstances that an innocent individual cannot rely on the police and legal system to protect them and even worse for society that we have white man van getting away with such a clearly evidenced assault. I feel terrible for the cyclist and only hope that one day the driver realises what an idiot he is.
Definitely needs to be a bit
Definitely needs to be a bit more calm in here. Getting angry about this sort of thing is entirely natural – my first reaction to seeing that video was “I’d love to stand up to that little man” but I’m not sure how good I’d actually be at that. I’m 31 years old and only once have I been punched in the face as an adult, in a somewhat bizarre and hilarious late night incident.
The closest I’ve since come to violence has been on the roads…. strange men who seem to think that because they’re driving a motorised vehicle, they can treat other road users with utter contempt. Never had a woman driver threaten me with violence, unless she’s been in a car driven by her other half, in which case the threats and language have been rather extreme.
Luckily, it doesn’t happen too often.
Anyway, the rather long winded point I’m trying to make is that reacting back with anger doesn’t do anything to help the situation. It leaves both parties feeling worse. It’s really, really hard to do when you’ve almost been knocked off, but approaching someone in a calm way and telling them that what they just did was wrong can often make people stop and think. Obviously it wouldn’t work in this situation; the rider reacted only in fear after being pushed and kicked, didn’t have a chance to talk to the crazed idiot.
However, the driver’s behaviour shouldn’t make us summon up an internet lynch mob. That really doesn’t help the cause of road cycling at all.
In an ideal world that person
In an ideal world that person would listen to your remonstrations, realise the error of their ways and apologise.
Everytime I try this I get more abuse. The last guy threatened to get out of his car and ‘beat my head in’ because he was ‘a cyclist too’.
Your safety is paramount and if someone has already hit you they will carry on hitting you and other people unless you stop them. Turning the other cheek often leaves you with a broken cheek. I’d rather have a broken bike than a facial injury and anyone decked with a bike is more likely to leave cyclists alone in future.
There’s obviously a lot of
There’s obviously a lot of strong feeling about this and it’s easy to see why. If you want to make a real difference why not put together a petition to send to the Home Office suggesting that they amend their guidlines? As pointed out by others already all of this internet bitching doesn’t do anything to change the world that we live in.
Matt eaton wrote:There’s
http://road.cc/content/news/81522-get-britain-cycling-report-will-recommend-tougher-sentencing-cases-where-victim
I remember a similar incident
I remember a similar incident that didn’t make the papers. Guy cut up cyclist, stopped car got out and took a swing at him. Chap took the punch and went down. He then stood up, all 6’5″ of him and bounced the man of the car bonnet (several times). Oddly the incident was never reported to the police. I happened to be in the group just behind him.
When the Police act like this it is natural that people will seek other means of recourse. 👿
I had that discussion with a
I had that discussion with a police person – I had been cut up twice in the same journey but the same taxi – he had not been able to compute that a cyclist might choose to ride on the right and chose to express his inability to understand with close passes and swearing… I was discussing this with him when the police person came along…
The police person started by telling me off for being aggressive and pointed out how old the taxi driver was… as if that was in any way relevant…
I suggested to him that he was there to help in situations just like this and that I would like him to remind the taxi driver not to use his car to make up for his lack of intellect
the police person looked dumbfounded at this point too…
I suggested to him that in the event of him not, even a little, reminding the taxi driver that behaving that way is dangerous – then if he did not mind – I would like to go over there and hit him… 2 tonnes of car v my fist I felt was fair…
he threatened to arrest me
I told him he was an utter waist of my tax payers money and went for my train
yes – if nothing is done the whole point of the police is removed and the only way to feel a sense of justice is to exact it in the moment
other police people have told me in similar circumstances that they are not that bothered unless I was dead or seriously injured – however stories abound in this site alone would suggest thats not true…
I know of plenty of people
I know of plenty of people taken to court for much less than this. The police/CPS are just plain lazy. To busy polishing their shoes and ironing their shirts so they look nice.
Leave it Stumpy! He ain’t
Leave it Stumpy! He ain’t wirth it! 😀
Hopefully now Daddy Tony’s weighed in all those burning torches can be put out and the pitchforks put away?
The guy should be charged. As for his poor wife – she’s got a life sentence already with that little man. Poor woman.
Baffling how the police / CPS
Baffling how the police / CPS / Home Office can get away with this, they seem to be wishing the problem would go away.
This driver will think he can go ahead and do this again.
You only have to see a
You only have to see a previous roadcc story to realise what action the police would have taken if the cyclist had clocked the van driver.
http://road.cc/content/news/80715-yorkshire-cyclist-convicted-assault-van-driver-after-court-rejects-self-defence
Probably note even 2nd class citizens
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wmpmw02 wrote:You only have
Here…
Interestingly, their facebook
Interestingly, their facebook and twitter accounts have been deleted. I’d imagine they got some quite damaging attention on social media
Can i just point out a couple
Can i just point out a couple of points please.
Firstly an Inspector does not have to authorise a caution, its the custody Sgts decision.
Secondly: it depends on the gravity of the offence as to whether you get a caution regardless of previous character. This incident i believe would be a common assault, although very unpleasant its the bottom rung of the assault offence scale.
Finally, all of you on here who have had a pop at the Police in general, thats your opinion and thankfully we still live in a country where these comments can be made. I hold no animosity towards anyone on here, despite some of the comments made, because basically i wont drop to that level.
I enjoy good banter and arguement, its good for the soul, and long may it continue 😀
Defiant and wrong until the
Defiant and wrong until the end it seems?
northstar wrote:Defiant and
You seriously need some help mate. Before you accuse people of being wrong i suggest you check your facts because at the moment you are only making yourself look like a complete prat.
I rest my case, resorting to
I rest my case, resorting to “insults” now it seems?
stumps wrote:northstar
[[[[ ‘Allo, ‘allo, STUMPIO! You said you wouldn’t stoop to such language—but you do, don’t you? Every bit as snarly as your accusers. Not when you’re driving though, eh?
P.R.
“The law is an
“The law is an Ass…”
Meaning:
Said of the application of the law that is contrary to common sense.
http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/the-law-is-an-ass.html
I’ve bookmarked this article
I’ve bookmarked this article for future reference, just in case I end up beating the living **** out of some **** who decides to try it on with me and I end up in trouble for defending myself.
The bloke is a tool but
The bloke is a tool but organising a posse to harass a business when it isn’t clear that actually is the business invovled, is pretty bad. As for keyboard warriors calling for justice to be meted out, I despair.
Private prosecution please.
Am I right in thinking that a
Am I right in thinking that a caution gets you a criminal record? If he hasn’t go any previous record, that will actually stuff up his life quite a bit, won’t it?
They have another FB Page..
They have another FB Page.. ironically enough one that is devoted to ‘animal education’
https://www.facebook.com/Weird-N-Wonderful-Animal-Education-ltd-212241298911693/
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