Just in: Shand Stoater Rohloff

A disc brake all-road bike that's handbuilt in Scotland

by Mat Brett   August 4, 2014  

The latest bike to arrive for testing here at road.cc is the Shand Stoater, a steel do-it-all bike that’s handbuilt in Scotland. With a Rohloff Speedhub. And disc brakes. And a Gates Carbon drive system.

We’ve written about Shand frequently on road.cc in the past, most recently last week when we showed you the handbuilt keirin bike that they’d made with Hoy Cycles, but this is the first time that we’ve had a Shand bike in for review.

Shand is a bike manufacturer based in Scotland – Livingston, to be more precise. They handbuild both production and custom bikes. The Stoater that we have in for review is an off-the-peg model.

The Stoater might sound like a real ale but Shand describe it as a “disc brake all-road touring bike”.

They go on: “Designed for the pure enjoyment of go-anywhere riding, the Stoater is all about drop bar, two wheel adventure. Refined enough to be your main road bike but rugged enough for off road trails and singletrack, it could be the only bike you ever need.

“The Stoater is ideal for longer rides, fully loaded touring or a spot of bike packing. Disc mounts provide the stopping power and the chainstay mounted rear disc brake allows space for rack and mudguards eyelets.

“Cyclocross influences are also reflected in tyre clearance (up to 45mm) and should you want to, there’s no reason not to get dirty at your local cyclocross race.”

There you go, then. On road, off road, cyclocross, touring. That should keep you busy for a while.

Shand make the Stoater’s frame from Reynolds 853 steel. They filet braze the tubes together rather than TIG welding them to give smooth joints. Check out the tube junctions on our review bike. After painting, everything is perfectly uniform.

The Stoater comes with a sloping top tube and S-bend stays to offer both tyre clearance and heel clearance. Our review bike has 35mm tyres and there’s still loads of breathing room around them. 

We have the Rohloff version of the Stoater here. Shand have updated the design so that it can run a conventional derailleur or be setup as either a singlespeed or with a Rohloff Speedhub. Previously, they offered two different versions: a derailleur model and a singlespeed/Rohloff model.

Now there’s just a single design and it’s simple for you to swap drivetrains yourself. Shand have made the Stoater adaptable by using a bottom bracket shell that can accept either a standard PressFit 30 bottom bracket or a PressFit 30 eccentric bottom bracket, and Paragon dropouts with interchangeable inserts.

If you’re not familiar with the Rohloff Speedhub, it’s an internal hub gear with 14 sequential ratios that you operate with a single twistgrip. Fans of the system say that it requires less maintenance than a derailleur system and has a longer service life. With Shand’s new design you can go with a Rohloff Speedhub either immediately or further down the line without the need to swap the frame.

Oh, and the Speedhub uses two different cables, one pulling in each direction. That explains why you have three cables running along the underside of the down tube despite the lack of a front mech: the two gear cables and the rear brake cable.

Speaking of the brakes, the disc brake mount is positioned between the seatstay and the chainstay, and the brakes in question here are TRP’s cable operated Spyres.

The other key feature of our review bike is that it uses a Gates Carbon drive system. In other words, it uses a belt instead of a chain to transfer your power to the rear wheel. The tension on the belt is adjusted via the eccentric bottom bracket.

What’s the benefit? Gates argue that their design is stronger and quieter than a chain and that it requires less maintenance. It’s also lightweight and grease and oil-free. If you don’t fancy a Gates system, you can get the same bike but with a chain rather than the belt.

Going back to the frame, the Stoater’s takes a slim 27.2mm seatpost and the binder slot faces forward which makes a lot of sense to avoid gunk getting in there. The head tube has 1 1/8in headset bearings top and bottom while the straight-bladed fork comes with both mudguard eyelets and lowrider rack mounts. You get mudguard and rack mounts at the back too, of course.

The Stoater comes in five different sizes from XS to XL. We have the Large here with a 560mm seat tube (centre of bottom bracket to top) and a 575mm effective top tube.

The head tube is only 135mm but the Stoater does have an external headset (from Chris King) and a riser stem so the front end isn’t as low as that figure might suggest. The stack (the vertical distance between the centre of the bottom bracket and the top of the head tube) is 580mm and the reach (the horizontal distance between those two points) is 386mm. The chainstays are lengthy at 430mm and so is the wheelbase at 1,030mm.

A standard Stoater frame and forks is priced at £1,395, and built up with a Shimano 105 groupset and TRP Spyre brakes it’s £2,245.

This Stoater Rohloff – with TRP Spyre brakes and Stan’s Iron Cross rims built on to the Rohloff Speedhub and a Hope Pro2 Evo front – is priced at £3,595. It hit the road.cc Scales of Truth at 11.42kg (25.12lb).

Right, it’s time to see how this bad boy performs. The only thing is, with so many options open to us, we’re not sure where to go first.

We’ll be back with a review soon. In the meantime, go to www.shandcycles.com for more details.

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That is one lovely looking bike. Had my eye on a Stoater for a while and need to get saving up. Make a great tourer and off roader.. Just have to make sure, I dont tell my better half the price of the thing!! Wink

posted by smuggers [29 posts]
4th August 2014 - 17:07

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I have an On-One Pompetamine with an Alfine 8 hub and Versa drop-bar shifters... Steel frame, disc brakes etc. It's a superb do-it-all bike for commuting, touring.

This Shand is effectively a top-of-the-range version of the same (winning) formula...

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posted by Bi50N [3 posts]
4th August 2014 - 17:59

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This bicycle is a beauty and it's on my shortlist for commuting 12 miles and towing a trailer with my (25kilo) dog. I have an early Trek District with a carbon belt drive at the moment and it drives me nuts when I'm riding - loads of noise and rubbing from the transmission. This bike was manufactured before the central slot in the belt - I'd be interested in other people's experiences of more recent belt drives because my experience with the Trek pushes me back to a standard cycle chain.

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posted by Mike McBeth [73 posts]
4th August 2014 - 20:43

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Saw them at the London handmade bike show and the simplicity and spot-on lines held their own against the bling on display - very nice looking bikes. That looks like a keeper and 25lb for a rohloff tourer seems pretty light. Mmmm...

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posted by alotronic [361 posts]
4th August 2014 - 20:49

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Drooling

Airzound

posted by Airzound [693 posts]
4th August 2014 - 21:52

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I've had a Stoater with Rohloff for 18 months. The spec has been further improved since then.

One obvious difference is I have Jones H-Bar handlebar.

Anyway I absolutely love it!

In fact I have just published an as yet unfinished book about choosing the Stoater it is called "A Bike for Life", you can buy or register interest at http://leanpub.com/abikeforlife all the income goes to supporting a new Youth Café in Syston, Leicester.

posted by Dave42W [40 posts]
5th August 2014 - 8:58

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My dream touring bike.

posted by robthehungrymonkey [55 posts]
5th August 2014 - 11:00

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Mike,

I have a Stoater with belt drive (centertrack) and Rohloff. Never had any rubbing.

I would suggest a chat with Steve or Russ about how the trailer hitch works to make sure you can get a connection that does not interfere with either the Rohloff gear connection box or the disk brake.

Since my Stoater they have improved the dropouts and I like the new BB (although my Hope BB with ceramic bearings and Middleburn cranks works beautifully.

Dave

posted by Dave42W [40 posts]
5th August 2014 - 13:37

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Mike,

It's crucial to make sure the rear wheel is properly centred in line for a belt drive bike especially the earlier belt drive systems without centre track (CDC) which I guess is yours. For trailer fitting the best frame is a Surly Troll which has dedicated towing points and is also Rohloff compatible as it has a Rohloff specific drop out not requiring the tensioner.

HTH.

Airzound

posted by Airzound [693 posts]
5th August 2014 - 13:52

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Stunning. I love the concept of the Rohloff. I can imagine this bike lasting, well, forever.

posted by Morgan700cc [23 posts]
5th August 2014 - 20:26

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Nice! If I was in the business of making bikes, this would be exactly the kind of bike I would design. Applause

posted by kide [25 posts]
6th August 2014 - 16:26

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I've decided to build such a bike as it looks absolutely ideal for winter commuting and general do-anything. I was going to buy this Shand Stoater Plus but was put off by the slack head and seat tube angles and the short head tube. I've instead ordered a bespoke Rourke frame and forks with the geometry I want and fittings for Rohloff and TRP Spyre disks. The only problem is the long wait in the queue for the frame to be built!

Aeneas

posted by aeneas [2 posts]
7th August 2014 - 20:04

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Very, very interested to read the full review of this bad boy.

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posted by davecochrane [109 posts]
14th August 2014 - 7:56

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