We drag ourselves up and down hills for a few hours, half a day, nudge into the night, emerge out the other side. We ride from one side of the map to the other, wiggle across the country, span a continent, circumnavigate the world. Up to and beyond where vegetation can’t survive, through deserts, tilt at mountains in the rain, we get lost in the lanes and maybe get a bit cold, our water-bottle’s gone slushy look. And we take pictures to show the world how hard it is and how it was a massive struggle of both mental and physical fortitude and there’s a gritty determined face in black and white there and we tell stories full of bluster and heroic pomposity and every time we retell the tale in the warmth of the pub the account gets exaggerated just that little bit more. The hill gets higher, the rain gets harder, the cold stings an inch closer to the bone, there’s an untimely puncture that lathers on another viscous layer of misery that may have been lifted from another tale and merged in the fudge of memory.
Well done us. Well done for enduring the hardship and the struggle. Kudos. Unfortunately none of this is hard. None of this is actually a struggle, not one single grimace into the wind, it’s just mucking about and showing off. Strut and swagger in a comfortable world, a little piece of hollow chest thumping that occupies a few hours in our safe and easy and mundane lives. You smashed it. Hear the ‘Boom’ echo emptily round the valley. Maybe there is a positive to be found in that at least we’re outside doing something, and digging deeper maybe playing to a tiny nugget inside some of us that’s hard-wired to step up to the edge of the comfort zone and annoying what we find with a stick for a few minutes. Then maybe it’s just to secure the validation and adoration of our peers and grasp the air for some long lost attention; look at me, I did A Thing. Lie back on the couch, make yourself comfortable and tell me about your relationship with your father.
That two or three hours a week that you’re pedaling uphill into a bit of drizzle isn’t hard, that little adventure you have at the weekend before you load your five thousand pound bike into the back of the Audi with the heated seats and driving home to your hot bath in a warm house to a lovely supper prepared by your doting partner that you wash down with a couple of artisan beers before settling to fall asleep in front of Netflix isn’t a struggle.
The cycling lexicon seems to have become infected with the canker of suffering. It’s almost become a religion to some. Ex Duris Gloria steers a little too close to Arbeit Macht Frei for comfort, and also too close to Godwin’s Law to continue this analogy. We pedal the local loop and the globe in search of self-inflicted anguish, or just stay at home in the garage, sorry, Pain Cave, and inhale it through TV screens and displays on the bars, and then download it to other screens so everyone can see our sufferface. Look at me, sweaty, look how I have Put Myself Through It.
This cult of Suffering has to stop. The word has become diluted and is now almost meaningless. We’ve already lost Epic – once something reserved for crossing polar landmasses on foot because there was no alternative it’s now used to describe home insurance, and a 60 mile bike ride. None of what you do is suffering. It is the tedious rhetoric of a mediocre pastime.
All of this is self-imposed self-controlled hardship. We can start and stop this any time we like, unclip, have a cup of tea. Sometimes we even pay to do this. None of this is hard. There is a planned beginning and end to these voluntary sticky situations, no matter how horrible it gets there is always a finish, a way out. A bit of unpleasantness for a short while. Not hard. What is hard is dealing with adversity we have no control over.
Let’s start with an easily relatable example, something we’ve all been touched by somehow or other – ill health. Let’s just pluck Cancer out of the air as an example, that’s hard, we’ll agree there’s a bit of suffering in there yeah? You might have had the misfortune to see or even experience that pain. Cancer can’t be made all better by a nice hot bath and a roast diner at the end of the day, that thing that makes the strenuous effort of your bike ride worthwhile, your suffering earned that. You can’t rub gravy on a tumor. Cancer keeps on going regardless, it doesn’t just hurt a little bit the next day to remind you it was there. It doesn’t always get better. The suffering often strives towards a conclusion.
How about filling your water-bottle, sorry, bidon, with dirty muddy stinking diseased water that might give you a runny bottom or even kill you? Water that’s a ten mile bike ride away. That would certainly ramp up the suffering on your ride wouldn’t it? Lots of people have to do that every day just to get by. Every day.
Just making it to the end of the day basically alive, that’s what’s hard. An awful lot of people have to cope with that and they’re not on instagram showing their strained faces. They’re not socially linking and comparing their suffering to friends to see who won at today. #malaria. They are getting up and doing it the next day though, and the next day, and the next day with no end in sight, no recovery days. That’s a real struggle. Riding a bike isn’t a hardship so let’s stop with the narrative of torment that’s telling us that it is.
Imagine coming back from a nice cycle to find your house burned down, your children killed and wife violated, and not by people from the rival cycle club, that’s what suffering is, the sort of thing that would suddenly make your ride really hard, and not because the bath’s broken.
If your bike ride started when you had to leave your town because it’s been bombed to shit and you may have lost some of your family in the rubble and you have to pedal through several countries to escape until you can ride no further to knock on the border of a country that doesn’t want you, then that would be considered a tough ride. That would be suffering, real deep down life suffering, a little different and worthy of the word to gritty and unshaven lifestyle suffering.
This so called suffering is entirely of our own volition, we can stop doing this any time we like, we can avoid the hills, we can not go race, we can go the flat and easy way. We can stay comfortably home. Some people don’t have the luxury of deciding whether to suffer or not, it is our privilege.
If we had real hardships, proper life-changing adversities thrust upon us; death, disease, illness, poverty, oppression, tyranny, victimisation, any of the vague horrors that canter randomly across the world, hardships that the victims have no say over, the sort of thing that would really piss on your weekend, would we like a sticker about it? How about a nattily designed t-shirt? Nicely done limited art print? Probably not.
Enough of this ritualised and revered hurt by choice, the ego-massage oil of faux hardship, enough of this Rule 5 posturing and preening rubbish. It is just riding a bicycle. When you have to deal with real suffering all day, every day, you don’t get a t-shirt. Until then STFU. Shut The Fuck Up.
Maybe there should be a t-shirt.

75 thoughts on “STFU”
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Okay mate. Not sure who this tirade is aimed at. Taken from something you wrote in September where you refer to “suffering” on three seperate occassions.
http://road.cc/content/blog/204485-here-be-ye-dragons
Maybe you can lead by example?
thanks for ignoring the
thanks for ignoring the posture free prose and entirely positive outcome of that article and just focusing on three words, but if we’re going to selectively quote to make a point then i’ll counter with
“it’s not Epic, it’s just a long way“
“There’s no time for hand-wringing and worry, we just have to clip in and get on with it really“
“It’s actually been surprisingly easy, well not easy, but without any fuss.”
“idiotic endeavour“
is that ok?
It’s just angst. Let him get
It’s just angst. Let him get it out of his system.
You hear this come up time to time, but it’s a classic case of myopia. See those guys in their Audis, Beemers etc at the weekends – well they’re entitled to any fun they can get in life, and if that’s talking about their hard rides and suffering, so be it.
Because a lot of them are trapped in a different cycle, a suffocating class struggle, a stressful shitty life with no obvious escape route. Just head down and get on with th rat race in a job full of people they don’t like but will have to spend the next 30 years with. Maybe will grind 60 hour weeks. Some 70. I know in finance that’s the case. They do the hours ‘voluntarily’ too, because if they don’t, they’ll be out the door.
They have an attitude because they have to. Let your guard down for a moment and you’ll be shit all over. I treat the Cayman guys the same as I treat the guys getting off the bus. Everyone has different problems, and you can’t spot them by looking at their car.
You think people don’t suffer because they don’t have cancer or are born in poverty? Well I’m glad you think like that, because it means you’ve had the charmed life. I know a city lawyer who killed himself some years ago because it was all falling apart. Mental issues are the new epidemic in the UK. But sure, no-one suffers and everyone should just STFU about the kicks they get at the weekend, especially if you drive an Audi. Yeah Audi drivers, you no know nothing.
Probably feel a bit childish when you look back on this, and wouldn’t blame you for deleting it. All it says is – angst and a lack of life experience.
When I was younger I used to work in youth justice in Lewisham. Pure hell. The lives people live, you got no idea. Wish I could go back and just give them all a bike and tell them to ride the hell out of it and forget all the other advice we were trained to give them. Would be a hell of a lot more effective.
Until of course they met you, shitting on them for talking about their hard rides eh.
But of course, you’re not talking about other people. You and I both know that.
You’re talking about yourself. Again, a classic.
unconstituted wrote:
I don’t think he said that, he’s talking about perspective…
Threeh wrote:
Yes, he is talking about perspective, but lacks it utterly.
He wants people to be quiet about their suffering on the bike because some people have cancer? That’s the crux of it.
It’s angsty childishness. We’ve all been guilty of talking some bilge, and this should have been a crowd winnter – shit on Audi drivers, social media users, people who talking incessantly about their run or ride, whatever. Had the foundations of a good old witch-hunt. Just a bit unfortunate a couple of guys got in here first and put the dampeners on.
Jo, honestly. Bet you’re not a bad guy, but just delete this IMO. Personally I won’t post more on it, even though I’ve got a lot of material I could throw at it, but what’s the point. I post some stupid shit too and let myself down here and elsewhere. We all do.
I am not sure how not cycling
I am not sure how not cycling or talking about cycling or talking about suffering when cycling is going to help anyone in a warzone or with cancer or drinking dirty water.
And I am not at all sure how using the same word for different types of suffering in any way belittles involuntary suffering, nor that it prevents us from appreciating how lucky we are.
this is phucking awsome.
this is phucking awsome. everyone wants to be in black and white at the top of a mountain with the focus ring nailed hard on the single bit if sweat. it isnt hard, it is riding a bike. all the shite has to stop.
ride you bike, dont look for that pro contract cause your lung capacity is in direct correlation to your ego.
just ride your bike. get on with it and stop making a fuss.
mylesrants wrote:
But who is all this aimed at, here? This site, comments and forum has very few ‘look at me – I am awesome!’ types. It’s already pretty ‘just ride-ey’. Who on this site ‘makes a fuss’?
I’m genuinely missing the point. Someone blogs about doing the TCR and then posts this turmoil… Is this a diary? Who is the audience? Was this meant for Facebook? Is this only to be understood by people who spend 50% of their time uncomfortable in their own skin?
It actually made my day to
It actually made my day to read something different. Perspective is easily lost and one can easily disagree with the point made yet still be thankful for being provoked to think for a change!
Nurse, quick, one of the
Nurse, quick, one of the patients is out of bed again…
Whatever.
Whatever.
I wasn’t even aware this is a
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In fact, fuck it. Get over the word Jo.
Not a fan of the Sufferfest
Not a fan of the Sufferfest then?
tick
Well said that man. We’re so spoilt we have no idea. Off to speak to my Grandmother for a slice of reality again. BRB.
I don’t have an Audi. I don’t
I don’t have an Audi. I don’t have a five grand bike. My bike cost one grand, or one months wages, or two months disposable income. I don’t have a bath, just a shower in my flat. I am not banging on about my achievements, I don’t write a cycling blog for a living. If you are tired of your job, find another one. Or are you just trying to stir up some clicks. So yeah, don’t be telling me and other readers to shut the fuck up when you are talking about yourself. You whine harder than Donald Trump.
Seriously, I am very disappointed that Road.cc editors let you post this self flagellating drivel. I won’t be reading any more of your content.
Riding a bicycle just makes
Riding a bicycle just makes me happy.
I’m so shallow.
Jo, I like your writing.
Jo, I like your writing.
I know it is not an internet thing, but sometimes I wish people would say nothing if they don’t have something pleasant to say.
Sniffer wrote:
I’m of course now wondering if you’re referring to some of the comments here or the article…
fukawitribe wrote:
I was referring to the comments. Sometimes I like a blog, sometimes I don’t. When I don’t I just generally fail to get to the end and read something else. Which seems a more balanced response than some around here.
Maybe if I found it offensive I would take a different view, but I didn’t in this case. Maybe others do.
Shit I am doing balance again. I’ll never get the hang of the forum comments thing.
Sniffer wrote:
I hope Jo carries on with this stuff. I disagree with or don’t get a lot of it, but it’s thought- and debate-provoking.
When a contributor posts something apparently (and I may have misunderstood) railing against general fakeness, the rules, ‘suffering’ etc, and it contains flammables like ‘whatever you’re doing, it isn’t suffering’ and ‘STFU’, there are going to be some strong reactions. It’s surely predictable that people will
1 disagree;
2 think he’s a hypocrite for posting at least twice about merely signing up for the TCR and then having a pop at the ‘look at me/touristy’ nature of cycling;
3 have had enough of his internal, existential ramblings;
4 don’t understand that ‘it’s Jo, it’s what he does’ or that it’s tongue-in-cheek, because we don’t know him;
5 all of the above and others.
I’m in camps 1 and 2. I might be 4, but I wouldn’t know. But I like the perspective and debate it gets going.
Would you sooner have it provoke merely gentle clapping?
davel wrote:
No, gentle clapping wouldn’t do it for me.
I am genuinely surprised that this piece did provoke such strong reactions though. That it might generate some debate is good, but many of the comments are hardly ‘debate’.
Sniffer wrote:
For me, it wasn’t the debate that rankled – completely the opposite, getting a perspective on what we think of as hard is a great subject to bring up or discuss and I believe this could have been a hard-hitting, thought-provoking, even black article that made people take time to consider that with a positive outcome. I usually like VecchioJos articles and writing and think this could have been one of the more meaningful ones.
However, for me, it was a sham, a straw-man, a conceit about a word which was made more unpleasant by it’s dictatorial manner – “you can not say you can suffer on a bike, nor say in any way it’s hard”.. what rot. “Shut. The. Fuck. Up.” .. great intro for a debate..
I’d say unconstituted summed things up nicely – an article about perspective that almost entirely lacks it. He seems to have taken a word, contorted it to his want, and then lambasted those that might use it where it doesn’t fit into his particular, extreme and hugely singular interpretation of it. As davel said, “nobody’s claimed it’s that binary” – except Jo. Opportunity missed IMO. Y (everyones) MMV of course.
Sniffer wrote:
Understand completely, not always the popular option is it ? 🙂
Jo, I like your writing.
Double post.
Yeah, I like Jo’s writing too
Yeah, I like Jo’s writing too. Keep it coming. More power to your pen.
“All it says is – angst and a lack of life experience.”…really? Is that all it says to you? Go create some art that man. Someone might get something from it. Some might not. But the world will be a slightly better place for it, I can assure you.
He’s right though. It’s just
He’s right though. It’s just riding a bike. Pedalling a bicycle. Doing some exercise. The comments are frankly playing right into the article. People taking ait all far too seriously.
Saying he let himself down with the article…… Christ fellas, grow up.
^ That is hilariously lacking in self awareness and dripping with point missing, patronising conceit.
ajmarshal1 wrote:
The part where it’s stupid is the part where he moans that just because it isn’t the hardest thing in the world means it isn’t hard. No, riding a bike is not as hard as having cancer or not having access to fresh water or having your house burned down or your children murdered but FFS did anyone even make that claim? And hey, it’s not as hard as those things, but it’s still hard because fighting gravity and air resistance is difficult.
Its just a weird thing to moan about.
Suffer means “Experience or be subjected to (something bad or unpleasant)”. I’d say that could describe a hard ride without it being an unreasonable stretch.
vonhelmet wrote:
The part where it’s stupid is the part where he moans that just because it isn’t the hardest thing in the world means it isn’t hard. No, riding a bike is not as hard as having cancer or not having access to fresh water or having your house burned down or your children murdered but FFS did anyone even make that claim? And hey, it’s not as hard as those things, but it’s still hard because fighting gravity and air resistance is difficult.
Its just a weird thing to moan about.
Suffer means “Experience or be subjected to (something bad or unpleasant)”. I’d say that could describe a hard ride without it being an unreasonable stretch.— ajmarshal1
Exactly – nobody’s claimed it’s that binary, so to write an article seemingly complaining that people have is missing that point.
There’s one bloke in the club I’m in has seen enough misfortune for several lifetimes. I mean genuine pack-it-all-in shit. Turns out every Sunday ride. Is he allowed to say a climb hurt him? Does he qualify to post pictures of him at the top of Mont Ventoux or of his Pain Cave?
What are you doing the TCR for, you silly tourist?
ajmarshal1 wrote:
Posts trite comment ‘it’s just riding a bike’.
Accuses someone else of ‘point missing and lack of self-awareness’.
Try reading the thread’s points. You’ll find Jo’s rant has been picked apart for sound reasons, to put succinctly, as you seem to have missed them: no-one considers suffering on the bike as synonymous with disease, (they’re talking about type 2 fun – similar language), there are degrees of suffering, he’s unaware of the suffering and problems everyone goes through in life (including Audi drivers) and as such shouldn’t presume or imply that people who’re engaged in the ‘cult of suffering’ haven’t endured real hardships themselves.
Jo made points at the end such as that if you really suffered you wouldn’t want a T-shirt from it. That’s plainly ignorant. People are proud of their suffering and do buy T-Shirts celebrating having survived cancer, pregnancy etc. It’s human nature to take suffering and deal with it with a dash of humour and pride. That’s at all scales, whether it’s self-inflicted or otherwise.
Who is Jo to tell a cancer survivor to STFU about their suffering on the bike? Because I know a couple of older boys here in Edinburgh who love the big mult-day rides and banging on about how tough it was.
The only person I can think of on road.cc who posts anything ‘frankly that plays right into’ Jo’s stereotype is ironically himself, as already mentioned, (athough he umms and ahhs about it). Which is why this article ultimately is about himself, and an attempt to one up other riders with wafer-thin sanctimony.
Anyway, thanks for the snipe and a chance to go over the material again.
A sincere post would have been on why people engage in the cult of suffering. There was a curious point made to me by an older rider recently that the stronger riders have the worse problems off the bike.
unconstituted wrote:
An interesting topic. In the case of the bloke in my club that I mentioned a couple of posts back, I suspect it’s that he needs the rides, the club, the structure, the Sunday mornings. It’s his church.
In the case of others I can think of, it’s the other way round. There are instances of resources being devoted to the bike that should be being spent on families. I think I might be seeing one or two divorces brewing in slo-mo, and one divorcee will happily admit that he chose the bike over his ex-wife.
These are club riders, regional TTists and CXers, 3rd/4th cat racers: nothing particularly serious.
Anyway what’s so bad about
Anyway what’s so bad about angst and self-flagilation?
To flip it around…
To flip it around…
If I don’t ride, I suffer.
I have joint problems and chronic pain. If I’m in a bad way, a thirty-mile ride is enough to activate the reset button on my pain receptors. Sixty miles and I’m walking like nothing’s wrong, apart from a bit of fatigue. The effects will usually last a few days – better than dosing up with morphine.
I don’t want to suffer, so I ride.
However, I don’t want to suffer when I ride, so I prepare in advance. I wear whatever I think will get me through the ride with the least suffering. I’ll choose a day and times which’ll be easiest to cope with. I’ll choose a route which’ll minimise suffering or balance it with reward, and to ride with people who’ll keep me going, to tick over that magical mark.
(I’m lucky that I’ve found something which’ll give me some relief. Others with chronic pain aren’t that lucky. I still battle the love-hate relationship with my bike – I love it most of the time, but getting up, out of bed, getting ready, hearing the wind and rain outside and still knowing that if I want to feel better for the next few days, I have to get on that bike?)
When people talk about how much they suffered in terms of how cold they were, or how wet they got, most of the time, it’s because they didn’t prepare for it. And as an experienced cyclist, if you didn’t prepare for it, you’re a fool. If you boast of how much you suffered, you’re just proving how much of a fool you are.
I cannot believe that constantly making yourself suffer on a bike will endear you to cycling in the long term. If you have the choice, why go out at 9am when it’s icy, when you could go out at 11am and not risk broken bones or bike? Choose the quieter roads if you don’t like traffic. And wear and ride whatever will be most comfortable.
Scrape as much joy out of being on a bike as you can. You’ll be far more likely to keep cycling than if you just have a suitcase of unpleasant experiences. (IMO, of course.)
#outsideisfree
#outsideisfree
Gosh. Why so serious folks ?
Gosh. Why so serious folks ? Everyone has different reasons for riding a bike and hopefully there’s some common ground. Of course it’s not real suffering riding a bike and people who go on about it are generally about as interesting as the dullard in the “19th hole” recounting a round of golf for all and sundry.
Sure, by pushing ourselves we can learn more about our perceived limits but those are lessons for ourselves right, not everyone else in hearing distance?
Anyway, enjoy your rides
Looking for an audience to
Looking for an audience to share a perceived pain via an online platform is common to both the author and the riders in question.
Question: Why do you ride
Question: Why do you ride your bicycle?
Answer: “Because it’s fun” or “because I enjoy it.”
“Fun” or “enjoyment” do not equal suffering. On any level. Ever.
It’s really not a tough concept now is it? Although the comments might lead you to think otherwise.
Photopositive wrote:
Thank you for telling me why I ride my bike and how to view suffering, I was under the impression there were other reasons but hey..
Photopositive wrote:
If that is all he’s saying, why did he use a lot more words?
I like it, nothing wrong
I like it, nothing wrong with putting things into perspective every now and then. This doesn’t apply to the internet though, I reserve the right to kick off on that
Suffering is thoroughly
Suffering is thoroughly subjective. One man’s suffering is another man’s pushing on a bit.
The best bit about cycling for me is fact that if I push on a bit (and maybe suffer?), a couple of hours later I realise I’ve not actually thought about much, which is good.
I tend to agree with Jo
I tend to agree with Jo however the article has an air of high snobiority which lets it down.
We’re not all Sun or Daily Mail readers (well not since they got rid of page three anyway!). And we’re not all liberals either and nor should we be. (I used to think I was a proud liberal, but now according to the general media, I’m slightly right of Gengis Khan.) We’re not all easily influenced. We are not all ‘untouched by other peoples suffering in life’ in the manner assumed in the article.
Everyone I think probably knows someone who likes to boast a little too much about how much they ‘suffered’ on a bike ride.. You can view the ‘bad’ in those people, the self gratificatuon in the boast and the lack of perspective, OR you view the good in the conversation and the person, I seem to see the good in most people no matter how much of an ankles* they can be. I think it’s cute and is to be applauded anyone pushing themselves to their physical or mental limits should be applauded.
I personally don’t like the word ‘suffer’ for the same reason’s as Jo’s mentioned it’s a word which lacks perspective in the cycling world. I’m being led a little with the next statement, but shouldn’t we direct our vitrol toward Rapha for the word ‘suffering’ seeping into the cycling psyche.. (I own some rapha and I don’t care..) I certainly don’t suffer when I’m at 110% MAX HR, is it suffering on a climb when your legs are like jelly and you’re so light headed you fall over or faint, is it suffering when your guts spew the contents of your insides out – No I don’t think so. I do it all for my own personal satisfaction and gratification. It is not suffering, it is pushing my personal limits for a short moment in time.
*lower than a cnut
peted76 wrote:
I thought about bringing up Rapha – and not in the sense you mean! My impression of their marketing is that they’re trying to convince prospective customers that they are engaging in an epic, noble struggle – something that appeals to men (mostly?) who probably quite like the idea but aren’t really called upon to do in reality. Magazine writers ham it up because “how they had a jolly nice time riding a very expensive bicycle that someone lent them for a few days, possibly in a warm and beautiful location” isn’t very compelling reading.
And most of us are probably a bit guilty of exaggerating our usually modest exertions when we want to impress. Blokes (mostly) bragging isn’t a new thing.
Maybe road cycling attracts this sort of description because it’s an endure-ance sport (where skill and inspiration are less obviously required than in, say, football?) But there’s not really much suffering involved – you wouldn’t do it if there was. Running might be harder.
The most suffering I’ve ever done is probably bonking 30 miles from home, riding into a headwind when I’ve not prepared for the rain or cold. And there’s nothing epic or noble about that – I just look and feel pathetic!
It prompted me to stop and
It prompted me to stop and think. That’s not a bad thing IMHO. I might even read it again.
Strange that some people react very negatively, taking something personally that wasn’t even aimed at them. What’s so bothersome about it?
I alaso tend to agree with Jo
I alaso tend to agree with Jo’s point. His main point is that although you may just have done a 300 mile sportive in the frozen rain and burned every molecule of glucose out of your body in the process, you did the sportive VOLUNTARILY. If on other hand, your house has just been blown up by your own government killing half of your children and you now have no food and nowhere to live, THAT is suffering.
To a large extent, whatever you do on your bike is your choice, kind of a ‘first world problem’ if you will. We should all be a bit more realistic about the privileged lives we live compared to an awful lot of the people we share this planet with.
guyrwood wrote:
Well, of course.
I might say that a climb was ‘hard’. I don’t then say ‘but not as hard as some kids in Aleppo have it’. FFS, I really, really don’t have to. It isn’t needed.
Some riders moaning on about suffering can be tiresome, but people moaning on about riders whining about suffering is a whole new level of STFU.
Agony and suffering are
Agony and suffering are indeed much overused terms. Most of us do neither as part of recreation. I suspect that the piece was penned in the vain hope that it may encourage a degree of perspective the author thought to be lacking in the way some choose describe their experiences. I thought I suffered when crashing, I thought I was in agony when pushing myself to exhaustion then I saw two loved ones die slowly, horribly and with a dignity that shamed the way I’d bandied such terms about in the past. We may push ourselves but most of us are very fortunate in that we do not suffer and we are not in agony.
No one thinks they are
No one thinks they are suffering on a bike the same way a child suffers from malaria. Is the word over used? Yes it is. Are people talking about bike rides, not famine? Yes they are.
See, also the informal logical fallacy of relative privation (appeal to a worse problem). Just because much greater evils occur in the world doesn’t mean you can’t complain (boast) about your difficulties. If that were the case none of us could complain about anything while 5,000 children under the age of 5 die every single day from preventable causes (WHO statistcs)
“Suffering is the emotion,
“Suffering is the emotion, the negative affect associated with feeling pain”
It is not a fixed data point; unless you reach this reference amount of pain, which was caused by an outside agency, then you have not earned the right to call it suffering.
Suffering comes in all shapes-and-sizes; no-one is saying riding up Ventoux in the freezing cold is the worst suffering ever experienced on Planet Earth, but it is still suffering to a degree.
UCI made a similar point
UCI made a similar point recently.
Obviously touched a nerve
Obviously touched a nerve with some people. That’s what good writing does.
Keep at it – much more interesting than yet another routine review of a mid-range road bike.
nextSibling wrote:
Alas that’s also what bad writing can do as well, it’s not a validator either way..
fukawitribe wrote:
Bad writing is much easier to ignore.
nextSibling wrote:
Good writing is much easier to ignore.
Bad writing is frustrating as it’s full of holes and it prompts you to comment. Which is actually something certain sites manipulate to great effect.
Bit bizarre you making this comment given the age of viral and fake news which is terribly written stuff yet shared relentlessly. Especially post-Trump election.
nextSibling wrote:
Trump for the Nobel in lit then?
The things people come out with.. honestly.
Anyway, enough from me. For
Anyway, enough from me. For real this time. But if any of you do enjoy your suffering then there’s a Zwift ride on the 3rd Dec for charity.
I’m browsing on a phone so
I’m browsing on a phone so haven’t had much luck finding it, but didn’t Jo write this before, invoking comparisons with the real suffering of fallen soldiers (hence November, poppies etc) in the mud of the somme? Might have been focused on CX, hence the mud.
Ultimately, I think he’s just railing at middle-classes discovering cycling. Audis, heated seats, 5k bikes, smartphone apps. He may as well be decrying overuse of the words ‘awesome’, ‘legend’, ‘hero’, etc. it’s just progressiveness and popular culture derided by someone having a grump.
It’s entirely possible to voluntarily suffer beyond your limits and still maintain a sense of perspective to the genuine hardships suffered by others.
notfastenough wrote:
There was a cracking piece he did mumble years ago about Flanders (?), I think. Similar focus on getting things into perspective and degrees of suffering but otherwise everything this piece wasn’t (in a good way – IMO). Trying to change the meaning of a word wasn’t necessary then, can’t see it being necessary now. I’ll have a proper search when I get back in.
It’s entirely possible to voluntarily suffer beyond your limits and still maintain a sense of perspective to the genuine hardships suffered by others. — notfastenough
This.
‘Ere we go
‘Ere we go
http://road.cc/content/feature/123206-fools-suffer-gladly
Bloody brilliant, what a difference…
Great piece of writing
Great piece of writing whatever anyone says to the contrary, it is after all just about riding bikes and we all need to get some perspective on our so called achievements
love it!
Read the article several
Read the article several times. Read through all the comments.
All I can think (and I can apply this to myself), ‘first world problems, eh’.
Ride your bike, have fun and if you’re not having fun, go do something else where you can.
This piece actually angered
This piece actually angered me…
I am perfectly aware of how privileged I am to be able to choose to suffer on a bike.
Let’s face it, we ride for the fun of it first and foremost, and for many that fun at least partially comes from challenging ourselves and overcoming that challenge. I’m fine with that, I’m fine with people being proud of that.
What I’m not fine is having someone else implying that my time would be better spent helping those truly suffering.
Which is the only conclusion from the sentiment of this article.
It angers me as I’m sure the author has no intention of packing the bike in to go and help those really suffering
I think you’re crediting it
I think you’re crediting it with more direction than it actually had.
This makes me realise that
This makes me realise that there is a degree of comparison to the perception of suffering. And I am thankful for it. Enjoy the ride, enjoy the run, because I can. Not fast, not quick, no gadgets, just the joy of doing it….for me! Now I’ll stfu.
I agree.
I agree.
To the extent I registered to post.
The cult of ‘suffering’ is based on exclusion, tribalism and delusion. A reflection of all the rest of the nonsense that we create just to justify to ourselves why what we do is worth it.
I’ve been here before with other sports, the ‘us versus them’ language, rules and theme of pushing yourself and taking risks, a futile attempt to prove something to yourself or your peers. Knowing someone who’d pushed it so far they ran out of skill/luck and drinking to their memory for a few years, till you all moved on and forgot. It seemed important then, it seems meaningless now.
Maybe I’m too old for this shit, maybe I’m too self-aware, maybe I’m not man enough to ‘suffer’. But I don’t need to tell strangers how special I am, how strong, fit and macho I am. I don’t need to hide behind an illusion that I’m a ‘hardman’ because I’m not and I’m fine with that.
I ride because I like it, I can get up a hill quicker if I keep trying. You know what I can’t do? I can never fix my regrets, I can never achieve all my dreams and I’m going to die and no amount of suffering will prevent or change that. I ride because compared to life it’s easy. We all have demons, I think I conquered mine, but maybe I just fought them to a standstill, maybe I’m just hiding from them. It’s selfish but strangers bragging about ‘suffering’ hits a nerve and makes me want to scream about what I’m dealing with, still like I said I’m aware enough to realise where those thoughts come from, just enough empathy to guess what prompts these protestations of suffering.
This is not true of everyone, maybe it’s not true of the majority but the cult of ‘suffering’ is true of cyclists that I have met, you want to push yourself to exhaustion? Great go ahead, but keep it to yourself.
Take my opinion for what it’s worth, which is nothing, or everything. Because like suffering it’s all a matter of perspective.
TreeFarmer wrote:
This has become one of those “do I, don’t I ?” forum posts for me. While some of the earlier comments quite rightly show Jo’s contradiction, saying one thing in past articles, then the opposite in this, the crux of what he says is true.
Treefarmer though has hit it on the head from my point of view. Where we are, ‘tribalism’, as he succinctly puts it, sums up a lot of what I see going on. It’s a big picture and honestly, I increasingly dislike what I see as the now ‘visible face’ of cycling locally. You don’t see the guys out just riding their bikes, because that’s what they do and always have done, you see the tribes, probably the same ones who post endless Instagram pics of they and their crew ‘suffering’ on the weekend.
This is all new too. It never was like this, people just rode their bike and it may or may not have hurt a little or a great deal. You ribbed the mates you rode with and moved on; you didn’t ‘glorify’ it to the greater community to try and show what a faux hardman you are.
Perhaps the cult of ‘sufferring’ is, for some, a form of narcissism…?
I wrote piece similar to this some time back that might be worth sharing; and no, no attempt to pull traffic, just a point of view I think may be pertinent to the conversation: http://www.eleven.cc/bike-snobs/
So at least have the insight
So at least have the insight/balls to say that what he is pissed off with are all the brash, instagrammy noobs who think it’s the new golf and drive flash cars. He pretty much did that earlier this year http://road.cc/content/blog/177597-i-hate-you-all
But then you’re back to the contradictions and hypocrisy.
Can you really have a go at the banal or touristic nature of it all when a significant chunk of your life will be devoted to riding across Europe ‘in an event’ next year? Maybe that earns you that right?
Should you really be having a pop at it being popular when (presumably) you’re paid from the ad revenue which is generated from the clicks to this site? Or is this all clickbait?
Can you look down on the instagram noobs when you blog about your ‘suffering’ in a 600km out-and-back with a mate?
For what my opinion’s worth, in the almost 15 years I’ve been in clubs, and before that with mates, it’s always been about tough routes and seeking out climbs. Back then, there was the supermario effect, or Il Pirata, or Lance. Then Facebook, the Olympics, tour de Yorkshire and The Rules happened. I’m not aware of any more bragging or ‘suffering’ now than there ever was… Just more people doing it and more vehicles to do it via – and more companies happy to tap into that (and pay bike sites ad revenue).
Some noobs will be brash. Some of them can afford bikes they’ll never do justice to. Some of them will be convinced they put cycling on the map in 2012. So what? That’s the way of the world, and we were all noobs once, in one form or another.
Seems to me that Jo’s fighting his own battle with authenticity via his blog, and that doesn’t feel too authentic to me… Which actually makes it smack just a bit of jealousy and elitism.
I agree with Davel, there is
I agree with Davel, there is a real feel of elitism to the piece. More people on bikes is great; if they want to describe their endeavours as “suffering”, why not?
I got over all the new-comers invading my play-pen many years ago. I used to think I was special because I belonged to a small, covert band-of-brothers, who knew how to ride a paceline or bit-and-bit etc. We didn’t boast about it because, unlike today, there wasn’t any forum to do it on. I would certainly seize any opportunity on the next ride to show-off if I was quicker up a hill etc, banter has always been part of cycling in my world.
The internet and social media give people a platform to describe their experience in only a few words, so let’s not get too het up on which words they use. Ultimately, making it a less elitist and more inclusive environment encourages more cyclists and as the genie is out of the bottle and everyone knows about the joys of the bike, let’s reap the benefits of more cyclists on the road making us all a bit safer.
I enjoy reading the random
I enjoy reading the random thoughts of people written down in a blog, especially when those thoughts are ‘of the moment’ like a lot of Jo’s are, it gives them a certain validity. Don’t always agree with those thoughts, don’t always understand even (didn’t always understand Mint Sauce either!). My thoughts, emotions, opinions are not consistent; they can change by the minute, never mind the day, week or year so contradiction can be an everyday occurrence. Keep putting it down on virtual paper Jo, this particular scribbling has certainly poked the nest.
Arriving just in time to
Arriving just in time to stoke things up again…
http://www.cyclist.co.uk/in-depth/1901/why-we-like-suffering
Duncann wrote:
oooh, you. By one of the velominati, no less.
See Jo’s next blog: that’s your fault, that is.
Agree with a lot of the
Agree with a lot of the criticism here.
Davel, in particular put it well.
I think what has annoyed people is coming onto a website they like, being told ‘shut the fuck up, what you do is not suffering’.
He has a point in here (first world problems. I get it). But, for me, it was lost by the deliberately antagonistic, arrogant and presumptive way he made it.
Should have left it with the Flanders article – that was some perspective and I enjoyed that. As ‘Unconstituted’ wrote, the author has let himself down here.
This is far from Jo’s best
This is far from Jo’s best piece. It’s quite preachy and narrow.
when I ride I usually make myself suffer, I don’t pretend it’s cancer or anything else. I sometimes work myself so hard that my vision narrows, my senses blur and I am riding myself into a self-induced black-out, or I come back wasted that I can barely haul myself anywhere without pain or without catabolising myself. It usually makes me feel great because that’s how our bodies respond – pain signals cause endorphin releases. I like cycling. I know it is an escape. Not by someone that gets paid to write. I just don’t need to be told to STFU.
Balls
Good article.
The thing is, everything is relative.
It’s difficult to relate own experience to others personal struggles based on the huge amount of factors dividing people, situations, lives…
It is easy to lose sight of the fact that cycling is fun.
But I always say this; non of us are professionals.
We don’t get paid for this.
We do this as we enjoy it.
Struggling a bit is part of getting better and getting better makes it more enjoyable…
So I’m that sense I can only really relate my own experience to myself.
Of course there’s harder things in life.
But those things are different things.
I almost get the sense that this writer has written this in the very way that he’s perpetuating his mirth at ‘chest beating’ and is full of angst that he is desperate to convey in a similar fashion to those of us who wish to convey the great ride we have just had and how it was tough etc…
Perhaps he should ride his bike to enjoy it.
Perhaps he should write his column as if he enjoys it too and STFU… Ha ha!
Great article Jo.
Great article Jo.
Great article Jo.
Great article Jo.