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@mdavidford thanks for the tip on replying to the thread! It would seem odd for his brother (thank you for the correction) to mention that he wasn't able "to brake in time" because he was in the TT position if he otherwise would have been able to apply the brakes. Perhaps it wouldn't have avoided the crash entirely, but it seems likely that it would have at least lessened the impact. It therefore seems entirely reasonable to conclude from this that TT bikes are more dangerous. That takes no blame away from the driver, as a rider should not be forced to brake to avoid a collision caused by a driver turning into their path.

@the little onion I'd agree that would be a sensible way to go. I don't think it's currently feasible for Sustrans / NCN, though, because they don't have the necessary powers to make it happen. It needs a local authority, who can drive the planning, land acquisition, etc. And actually there are much larger sums earmarked for local and regional authorities to improve provision. (Whether they actually end up using that effectively is, of course, another question.)

@Steve K My sister taught a kid who came up through Crystal Palace youth system then left for another club at 16. Jordan classily traduced him and his family in some friendly newspaper.

@Terry Hutt Thing is, I've yet to come across a silent ebike, so all you have to do to check legality is ride it, keep an eye on your own speedo and listen to hear if the motor's still running when you get over 15 mph.

@Rendel Harris This would probably be better than their current "tests" if the e-bike has a cadence sensor and a non-GPS speed display. If it has a power sensor (proportional assistance) or no speed display you're back to square one. Mind you, if the bike is doing 30mph on the flat and the rider isn't pedaling furiously, I say crush it with the rider still attached.

@the little onion AFAICS the notional cycling network is best seen as a "national sign network". An impressive mapping effort to catalog what infra there is and *suggest* places for cycling. But no guarantee it will be suitable for all cyclists. Or even any specific cycling purpose. Unless possibly you're into a kind of "adventure racing". It certainly bears little resemblance to the numbered junction network ("knooppunt") in NL. *That* is a genuine "help you navigate" system - but that goes everywhere, on at least "good enough" infra.

@the little onion Yes. One of the many great features of cycling-as-transport is that you can start local. Then concentration (of money, then infra and cyclists) is effective. That's how eg. Seville did it. And (I think) Paris. And much of how NL has got there I suspect. OTOH there are some potential blockers at bigger scales. Perhaps a Reform regional mayor decides they *will* implement the national policies - win the war *for* the motorist? Or good infra or transport reorganisation gets tangled up in national legal regulation. Or the money is suddenly shut off (or redirected to fill half-a-mile of potholes for motorists for a year).

@mdavidford I get your argument, but why spread it thinly on stuff that plainly doesn't work, rather than concentrating it on good stuff which does, in the right place? If given the choice of a national network of rubbish, or small localised patches of well-maintained excellence that does a great job within individual towns and cities, I'd go for the latter every time.

Like a lot of CPFC fans, I take anything Simon Jordan says with a pinch of salt. Jordan took over an ailing football club, got it into the premiership and then his ego got even bigger, followed by him running the club downhill fast. He's not remembered fondly by many down at Selhurst Park. He might actually know his wines as he did own a restaurant for a while. But he can stick his views on cycling up his behind.

@didsthewinegeek He can explain it to you but he can't understand it for you.