Bike rider fined £440 for “dangerous cycling”

NotBlindedByCyclistsBS wrote:

Good to see cyclists being held to account. Since I had a guy go through a red light and hit me on a crossing, luckily my mobility scooter took the brunt of it, I hope to see more and more cyclists held responsible when they break the law. Start sending in head cams of yourselves running reds and riding on the kerb when you shouldn't.

WRONG!

We need to see drivers being held to account

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What happens when you use a camera is that you have to ensure that you follow the law other wise you can't submit anything or you take a chance if you do.

What exactly do you hope to achieve on a cycling site ?

If you carry on like this, then you'll just get a pile on from people who know rather a lot about road traffic laws and roadcraft since they need to know that to avoid being a KSI.

Sounds like your username should have '...but Blinded by other BS'. I am sorry you had a run in with a person on a bike, it's a good job it wasn't a person in a car though as going by statistics you might not have been so lucky.

NotBlindedByCyclistsBS wrote:

Good to see cyclists being held to account. Since I had a guy go through a red light and hit me on a crossing, luckily my mobility scooter took the brunt of it, I hope to see more and more cyclists held responsible when they break the law. Start sending in head cams of yourselves running reds and riding on the kerb when you shouldn't.

So I would usually say a new user with this sort of username and a Daily Mail-style comment should piss off as it's blatant trolling, but I've been told in the last few days by certain people (a whole two of them) that that's bullying and ruining the website...because obviously this sort of crap really enhances the experience for everyone!

Rendel Harris wrote:

NotBlindedByCyclistsBS wrote:

Good to see cyclists being held to account. Since I had a guy go through a red light and hit me on a crossing, luckily my mobility scooter took the brunt of it, I hope to see more and more cyclists held responsible when they break the law. Start sending in head cams of yourselves running reds and riding on the kerb when you shouldn't.

So I would usually say a new user with this sort of username and a Daily Mail-style comment should piss off as it's blatant trolling, but I've been told in the last few days by certain people (a whole two of them) that that's bullying and ruining the website...because obviously this sort of crap really enhances the experience for everyone!

Only you could conflate someone clearly trolling and regular posters on this site. 

Must try harder. 

Gimpl wrote:

Only you could conflate someone clearly trolling and regular posters on this site. 

Must try harder. 

In certain cases a regular poster is a clear and obvious troll who decides to stay around to continue trolling, e.g. Garage, Socratic etc, two of the most notorious trolls on this site, both of whom I believe got up to around 2000+ posts before they were banned. Only you would be unable to see this.

Must try not to use so many meaningless cliches.

I did wonder where the second post was. I hope you are careful on your mobility scooter as over a report in late 2019 showed in the five years previously 28 pedestrians were seriously injured as a result of collisions with mobility scooters. Another 100 individuals were slightly injured.

I'm sorry that you were hit. But that was a single rogue. My sister was hit (and almost killed) by a driver who went through a red light on a multi lane crossing in London.

Does her experience trump yours? No. But statistically, which mode of transport is more dangerous to users of crossings - cars or bicycles?

Also, if you can evidence "riding on the kerb" apart from Danny MacAskill then I'll eat a small hat.

NotBlindedByCyclistsBS wrote:

Start sending in head cams of yourselves running reds and riding on the kerb 

mad skills, is riding on something less than 5" wide part of training for a crossing niagra by riding a bicycle on a tightrope attempt?

I know nothing about mobility scooters, have never used one but once had my car slightly damaged by someone using one. Luckily I wasn't in it at the time or might have got whiplash. I also read this on an internet recently.

"Data released in Autumn 2019 by the Department for Transport (DfT) has reported that 249 accidents involving mobility scooters were recorded in 2018 across Great Britain, up against the 236 in 2017.

Out of the 249 recorded accidents in 2018, 180 accidents occurred on roads, whilst 69 arose on pavements and footpaths.

The figures also reveal that male mobility scooter drivers were involved in more incidents than female drivers, with 139 accidents involving men and 99 including women – 11 were recorded as unknown."

Therefore I feel I have a very strong opinion on disability scooter operators requiring licences, registration, MOTs, training, hi viz, helmets and insurance. Furthermore they are obviously No1 road menace and the Police should invest all available manpower to remove this scourge from our public roads.

You were lucky! I was crashed into by a lycra-clad speeding cyclist while I was parking my new 4x4 outside Tesco's in a dedicated disabled parking bay (thankfully I still have my blue badge from when I was 23+ stone and my GP agreed that my limited mobility meant I needed a blue badge to enable me to get closer to the shops for food shopping). On this occasion the angry cyclist shouted something at me like "maybe if you walked a bit further you wouldn't be so big and wouldn't need to drive such a stupid big car" which seemed highly irresponsible especially since I pay road tax on my vehicle and I'm sure he doesn't pay any road tax. Actually I think I may get my road tax included with my blue badge, but that's not the point, cyclists should still be made to pay road tax because apparently I read in the Daily Mail that cyclists don't agree with driving cars so most of them don't pay road tax anyway on principle!

I hope your mobility scooter was OK. I had to get my wing mirror replaced after this scary incident. We need to stick together against this lycra lout brigade!

I couldn't see the point in posting on something with scant detail.
Would be interested in what the cyclist did.

Well I have to disagree. I'm no Poirot, but partial to a who dunnit and the more mystery the better!

Whilst details are thin, the question of roadie or rascal has possibly been answered in the comments, albeit with some slightly unsavoury to and fro.

Seems Socrapi is a stickler for getting facts and data against cyclists. Seems to be a job for him.

TBH, until this case, I didn't even know there was a dangerous cycling (and also a careless cycling) statute. You would have thought that when these were brought in, they would have updated the 1861 one that all the papers moan about. 

However, my main bugbear with this and the driving equivalents is the willingness of the CPS to jump to and allow Careless driving so easily for stuff like speeding, pavement mounting, passing mere inches from a vulnerable road user, etc, yet cyclist doing same things is instantly dangerous and nothing else. Why the willingness to mitigate one and not the other. 

"against cyclists"?

I'd say it's about an informed conversation. You can't say the cyclist here did the 'same things' because no one knows what he actually did.

We have a chimps' tea party of outraged 'motorists' making random allegations on the basis of no knowledge whatsoever. 

Without information the conversation has no content imo, other than assumptions and a leaning tower of assertions.

Since I can't get any more info easily, I'll stop conversing .

HoarseMann wrote:

This is intriguing. I'm struggling to think of a situation that could involve a road bike on this short stretch of road. So my hunch is it's a MTB/Dirt Jump rider due to the close proximity of Woburn bike park. Did they pull an impressive manual all the way from the bike park past Nonnas cafe, where police on a break spotted their antics?

riding no hands while removing/donning a gilet?

Pretty sure driving without hands on the steering wheel is only seen as careless, if even charged.

wycombewheeler wrote:

riding no hands while removing/donning a gilet?

That's a good point, and it does look likely this was a road cyclist and possibly on a club ride.

I feel a little bit bad about doing some Strava sleuthing, but there's a lack of detail in the newspaper report, it looks likely that there were some injuries...

Offence happened 5th August. Strava is 5th Feb. 

AlsoSomniloquism wrote:

Offence happened 5th August. Strava is 5th Feb. 

The date of the 5th August is incorrect, the date given in the Bucksfreepress is the correct one of 5th February 2022.

I note that the Team MK website events calendar has a club run listed out to the Claydons for that day, which is in the right direction for where this incident occurred.

Could be a coincidence of course, but if this did occur as part of a group ride, it would be useful to know of the circumstances.

Oops, should have expected a road.cc error. 

HoarseMann wrote:

wycombewheeler wrote:

riding no hands while removing/donning a gilet?

That's a good point, and it does look likely this was a road cyclist and possibly on a club ride.

I feel a little bit bad about doing some Strava sleuthing, but there's a lack of detail in the newspaper report, it looks likely that there were some injuries...

If it happened on the club ride, he's probably been done for using disc brakes on a group ride, with hand the luddite club members testifying that any careful and competent cyclist knows this is dangerous.

Justice delayed is justice denied!

So glad our courts are working overtime to rid our streets of this scourge!!!