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Near Miss of the Day 309 revisited: Points and fine for driver who overtook cyclist at speed

Our regular series featuring close passes from around the country - today it's Buckinghamshire...

A driver we featured last September in our Near Miss of the Day series making a close pass at speed on a cyclist in Buckinghamshire despite traffic coming in the opposite direction has been fined and had points put on their licence.

The driver pleaded guilty in person to careless driving at Oxford Magistrates' Court last week and was fined £190 plus £85 costs and a £32 victim surcharge, and had their licence endorsed with five penalty points.

Steve, the road.cc reader who filmed the footage, provided us with an update on the case in which he gave a detailed explanation of how it proceeded through the system.

It's an eye-opener to the hoops the criminal justice system can make someone go through to ensure that a person who put their life in danger is held to account - but at least, in this case, Steve persevered and the motorist was held to account. Here's what he told us:

Personally, I don’t think the penalty is that harsh. However, the fine is calculated based on the person's earnings, with a starting point for someone on minimum wage of £120. So a £190 fine would indicate this individual has a modest income. Their insurance might take a hit too.

Certainly, I still feel I’ve come off worse from this as it put me off cycling to work; which was important for the management of a chronic health condition that has now deteriorated. But the hope is that the driver is more careful in future with points on their licence.

A few weeks prior to this incident, I’d fitted gravel tyres to the bike so I could use the bridleway network as much as possible for my commute - which I had done the day of the incident, with a good portion of my route being off-road. It was just this stretch that didn’t have a suitable alternative to the tarmac. With this route choice, high-viz jacket, day-bright lights, helmet, mirror etc, there was not much more I could have done for my own safety.

Previous to this I really thought I had a good awareness of what was going on around me on the bike, but this was so fast that I didn’t observe the approach in my mirror. If and when I get back out on the road, I’m considering adding the Varia radar and head unit to the bike. This would have given me advanced warning of the vehicle approaching at high speed and I might have been able to take evasive action into the ditch. Ironically, it will cost me more than the drivers fine.

After a bumpy start, I am satisfied with the way Thames Valley Police dealt with this. I hope this will encourage other cyclists to report similar offences. But be aware, it’s not a fire-and-forget process; I had to engage quite a bit and there are several layers to get through before you find an officer who can help, so be selective with what you submit:

 - reported via online tool

- called 101 and chased up after 10 days, assured a NIP (notice of intended prosecution) had been issued 

- chased up and informed NIP had been returned as 'not known at address', tracer sent out and NIP re-issued

- chased up again, informed no response to tracer, admin team to look into it

- police called to say they are dropping case as no response to NIP’s and fault with their IT system meant they couldn’t prove they’d sent one out anyway. I said that was unacceptable and I would complain   

- filed an official complaint with IPCC for systematic failure to adhere    to document handling process

- TVP called back to say there had been an admin error and they had found the response to the NIP. They would deal with it via a driver awareness course and did I file a complaint? We agreed to close the complaint as the computer system problem had been fixed and I asked them to review the footage again. They agreed it was more serious and would look at the possibility of a criminal charge of dangerous/careless driving.    ]

- police called back to say they had calculated the car’s speed from the video footage and it was significantly above the limit, which would be a contributing factor. Ball-park lower end dangerous, upper end careless, but more chance of a conviction with the careless charge.

- asked to submit DVD with original footage for the court

- received a letter with the details of the court case and informed I could view from the public area if I wished (I declined - it’s well over an hour's drive away)

- received a phone call from the police with the outcome shortly after    the court case.

> Near Miss of the Day turns 100 - Why do we do the feature and what have we learnt from it?

Over the years road.cc has reported on literally hundreds of close passes and near misses involving badly driven vehicles from every corner of the country – so many, in fact, that we’ve decided to turn the phenomenon into a regular feature on the site. One day hopefully we will run out of close passes and near misses to report on, but until that happy day arrives, Near Miss of the Day will keep rolling on.

If you’ve caught on camera a close encounter of the uncomfortable kind with another road user that you’d like to share with the wider cycling community please send it to us at info [at] road.cc or send us a message via the road.cc Facebook page.

If the video is on YouTube, please send us a link, if not we can add any footage you supply to our YouTube channel as an unlisted video (so it won't show up on searches).

Please also let us know whether you contacted the police and if so what their reaction was, as well as the reaction of the vehicle operator if it was a bus, lorry or van with company markings etc.

Simon joined road.cc as news editor in 2009 and is now the site’s community editor, acting as a link between the team producing the content and our readers. A law and languages graduate, published translator and former retail analyst, he has reported on issues as diverse as cycling-related court cases, anti-doping investigations, the latest developments in the bike industry and the sport’s biggest races. Now back in London full-time after 15 years living in Oxford and Cambridge, he loves cycling along the Thames but misses having his former riding buddy, Elodie the miniature schnauzer, in the basket in front of him.

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mdavidford | 4 years ago
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- asked to submit DVD with original footage for the court

Seriously? How many people still have access to a device with DVD writing capabilities? Are the courts really not able to accept evidence in some rather more current format?

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Hirsute replied to mdavidford | 4 years ago
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Both laptops and pc at home have dvd rw.

What's the alternative? Buy a flashdrive and never see it again?

If you have really slow upload speeds, sending up a 500MB file is never going to work, so a dvd sounds a reasonable compromise.

 

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HoarseMann replied to mdavidford | 4 years ago
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I had to dig around at the back of the junk cupboard to find the usb dvd writer, then order a small pack of DVD-Rs off amazon!

A cheap SD card would probably have been easier.

It was a data DVD with the original files on, rather than a DVD movie disk, and quite large as you need to submit 2 minutes of footage either side of the event.

I am a bit of a hoarder. If they'd asked for it on VHS or Hi-8, I could have managed that too.

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bikeman01 | 4 years ago
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I am amazed you can take in the number at that speed.

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cycle.london | 4 years ago
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Ooh, this is interesting…

'...police called back to say they had calculated the car’s speed from the video footage and it was significantly above the limit...'

I've submitted footage of speeding drivers, and the Met have systematically told me do one, as my Garmin '... is not Home Office-approved'.

That's bad enough, until they've used the same figures, from the same Garmin, to fob me off because they think I was '.. riding too fast'.  

I've tried telling them speed equals distance over time, and that on one occasion, I clocked a biker at close to the ton across London Bridge, but basic arithmetic apparently isn't a part of the job description at CO16 (or whatever they call themselves now). 

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HoarseMann replied to cycle.london | 4 years ago
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cycle.london wrote:

Ooh, this is interesting…

'...police called back to say they had calculated the car’s speed from the video footage and it was significantly above the limit...'

I think it depends on the offence. For a pure speeding FPN, then I think it does have to be an approved and calibrated device:

http://library.college.police.uk/docs/NPCC/NPCC-(2016)-Speed-Red-light-Enforcement-Technology-Guide-v1-2-1-July2016.pdf

Not totally sure though. In this case it was the manner of the driving and the excessive speed was a contributing factor. The speed was estimated using the road markings:

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cycle.london replied to HoarseMann | 4 years ago
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Yeah, I get that.  I just wish they'd be consistent.  Either my data are to be ignored, or they're not to be ignored.  Not ignored when it suits them, and used when it suits them. 

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HoarseMann replied to cycle.london | 4 years ago
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yep, there's a total lack of consistency. It really depends on the particular officer you deal with at the point of enquiry. I think I must have spoken to four different front line officers initially, it's only when I got past them and the case was assigned to a specific officer at county HQ that things started moving.

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Richard_pics | 4 years ago
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Controversial Comment:

Why are Audi drivers such self entitled C U Next Tuesdays?

 

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fukawitribe replied to Richard_pics | 4 years ago
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They're not all - in the same way that not all road.cc commentators are over-generalising twonks.

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Richard_pics replied to fukawitribe | 4 years ago
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Which Audi have you got?

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fukawitribe replied to Richard_pics | 4 years ago
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None. 

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fenix replied to Richard_pics | 4 years ago
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Audi, BMW and Mercedes drivers are officially the worst - there was a report on that out last week.  It's not something that needed backing up from what I see every day. 

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fukawitribe replied to fenix | 4 years ago
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fenix wrote:

Audi, BMW and Mercedes drivers are officially the worst - there was a report on that out last week.  It's not something that needed backing up from what I see every day. 

Didn't say they weren't - I said they're not all like that. It's the difference between looking at what's actually happening and being a casual bigot.

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HoarseMann | 4 years ago
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Thanks all. At least this is another example that might act as a deterrent to such selfish and dangerous behaviour on our roads.

It could have been a different outcome. If the driver had ignored the NIPs that were sent out, the police would have been powerless to act.

TVP have fixed that administration issue, so hiding won't be an option for future offenders. smiley

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eburtthebike | 4 years ago
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I may have mentioned this before, so forgive the repetition, but when the government's review of road crimes finally reports, I'm sure offences like this will be treated much more harshly.  Must go and feed the pigs, they need plenty of energy before they fly.

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brooksby replied to eburtthebike | 4 years ago
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eburtthebike wrote:

I may have mentioned this before, so forgive the repetition, but when the government's review of road crimes finally reports, I'm sure offences like this will be treated much more harshly.  Must go and feed the pigs, they need plenty of energy before they fly.

Had you mentioned it before? I hadn't noticed... 

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ktache replied to brooksby | 4 years ago
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eburt had actually been a bit quieter about it than his non elecrically assisted self.

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eburtthebike replied to ktache | 4 years ago
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ktache wrote:

eburt had actually been a bit quieter about it than his non elecrically assisted self.

Making up for lost time; it'll be in every single one of my posts from now on.

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caw35ride | 4 years ago
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Writing in admiration of Steve, who showed great persistence in getting this dangerous driver prosecuted. Good work, fella!

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JohnMcL7 | 4 years ago
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I think within the current legal framework a conviction for careless driving was the best they could manage with the next offence up being dangerous driving which has a much higher bar for conviction.  Not that I agree with that system and as a cyclist it's terrifying watching a video like that and seeing how close it is, it feels particularly unfair the rider has reduced their riding but the driver can just carry on as normal.

Personally I'm a big fan of the Varia radar system and I find it useful in circumstances like this because if it shows a car coming at speed like this with oncoming traffic I know they're not going to give me any room and therefore I'll move far over even if it means going onto the grass or gravel at the side of the road.  I know I shouldn't have to but I'd rather that than risk being hit or clipped by a car.

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Captain Badger | 4 years ago
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Clearly speeding, and certainly inappropriate speed for that section of road, no attempt to slow down, face of oncoming traffic, didn't move out.

Why are they still driving?

But great work Steve for your persistence. As ever the failure is that of the law...

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NZ Vegan Rider replied to Captain Badger | 4 years ago
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Totally agree with CB.

I hope you have the courage to get back to riding on the road. This type of driving doesn't happen often and there are obviously good benefits to you commuting.

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