Police appeal after car passenger pushes Hants cyclist off bike

Pushing50 wrote:

I really thought that I had mistakenly clicked on a Party Political Broadcast and then realised that it was a Pythonesque comedy sketch. 

"Are you perchance from Yorkshire?" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ue7wM0QC5LE

 

Love that sketch, but I was more referring to don simon's possible Yorkshireman's attributes, world renowned attributes, of open-mindedness and humility.  But of course he could be from somewhere else entirely.

burtthebike wrote:

Pushing50 wrote:

I really thought that I had mistakenly clicked on a Party Political Broadcast and then realised that it was a Pythonesque comedy sketch. 

"Are you perchance from Yorkshire?" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ue7wM0QC5LE

 

Love that sketch, but I was more referring to don simon's possible Yorkshireman's attributes, world renowned attributes, of open-mindedness and humility.  But of course he could be from somewhere else entirely.

Interesting that you think anyone who disagrees with you is narrow/closed of mind. I would also expect that you will take more umbrage at mention of perhaps that it is actually your good self who's lacking humility.

don simon wrote:

burtthebike wrote:

Pushing50 wrote:

I really thought that I had mistakenly clicked on a Party Political Broadcast and then realised that it was a Pythonesque comedy sketch. 

"Are you perchance from Yorkshire?" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ue7wM0QC5LE

 

Love that sketch, but I was more referring to don simon's possible Yorkshireman's attributes, world renowned attributes, of open-mindedness and humility.  But of course he could be from somewhere else entirely.

Interesting that you think anyone who disagrees with you is narrow/closed of mind. I would also expect that you will take more umbrage at mention of perhaps that it is actually your good self who's lacking humility.

Well thanks for removing any lingering doubt.  Which part of Yorkshire are you from?

don simon wrote:

Fall for it every time & yes eye'm still laughing at you.

Are you perchance from Yorkshire?

Mungecrundle wrote:

Nope, this kind of attack is just good old fashioned thuggery, the simple enjoyment of being unpleasant and antisocial to someone perceived as weaker and unable to retaliate. The attitude of social media and some MSM certainly encourage this type of behaviour, maybe even providing some sort of warped justification in the minds of the lowlives involved.

I don't know about the MSM bit. But, I do agree with the think it's the "good old fashioned thuggery, the simple enjoyment of being unpleasant and antisocial to someone perceived as weaker and unable to retaliate" bit, plus inattention, ignorance and distraction. I've been shouted at, had things thrown at me, had someone whack me from a passing car, been physically assaulted, been knocked off and, of course, close-passed. I reckon these are for a variety of consequential reasons. But, I suspect they all come down to entitlement and lack of any sort of discipline. The close-passers either know they're not going to get strung up or they're ignorant of the risks. The abusers are just thugs (as Mungecrundle said) who either don't care about getting caught or know they won't.

brimstone wrote:

Is it just me or is there an almost complete breakdown of law and order on the roads by motorists against cyclists? The sort of incident descibed above (and much worse examples) have become an everyday occurrence up and down the country.

I'm wondering if this is part of the social conditions at the moment, with huge numbers of people not really able to afford to live, working two or three jobs to feed their children and no hope for the future.  If you can't see any way out of your desperate situation, you're going to be in a pretty desperate state of mind, and if there aren't any police around to stop you, you're going to behave in an irrational manner.  Might be useful if someone did some research into road crime and social deprivation, and perhaps knife crime too.

And when you're told that wages are rising when that's just a reflection of the people at the top paying themselves more, and prices keep rising, you're just going to get more desperate.  Then you jump in your car and other people get in your way, so they are a handy outlet for your anger and frustration.

burtthebike wrote:

brimstone wrote:

Is it just me or is there an almost complete breakdown of law and order on the roads by motorists against cyclists? The sort of incident descibed above (and much worse examples) have become an everyday occurrence up and down the country.

I'm wondering if this is part of the social conditions at the moment, with huge numbers of people not really able to afford to live, working two or three jobs to feed their children and no hope for the future.  If you can't see any way out of your desperate situation, you're going to be in a pretty desperate state of mind, and if there aren't any police around to stop you, you're going to behave in an irrational manner.  Might be useful if someone did some research into road crime and social deprivation, and perhaps knife crime too.

And when you're told that wages are rising when that's just a reflection of the people at the top paying themselves more, and prices keep rising, you're just going to get more desperate.  Then you jump in your car and other people get in your way, so they are a handy outlet for your anger and frustration.

Yeah, because it's only poor people who drive like twats.

KendalRed wrote:

burtthebike wrote:

brimstone wrote:

Is it just me or is there an almost complete breakdown of law and order on the roads by motorists against cyclists? The sort of incident descibed above (and much worse examples) have become an everyday occurrence up and down the country.

I'm wondering if this is part of the social conditions at the moment, with huge numbers of people not really able to afford to live, working two or three jobs to feed their children and no hope for the future.  If you can't see any way out of your desperate situation, you're going to be in a pretty desperate state of mind, and if there aren't any police around to stop you, you're going to behave in an irrational manner.  Might be useful if someone did some research into road crime and social deprivation, and perhaps knife crime too.

And when you're told that wages are rising when that's just a reflection of the people at the top paying themselves more, and prices keep rising, you're just going to get more desperate.  Then you jump in your car and other people get in your way, so they are a handy outlet for your anger and frustration.

Yeah, because it's only poor people who drive like twats.

As we all know, that isn't true, but this kind of thing does seem to be increasing, so is it a result of the absolutely huge social inequality, with the rich totally divorced from the reality of many people; how can so many people be in poverty in one of the wealthiest countries in the world?  I well remember being broke with a wife and child and rent and food going up and no prospects and getting more and more depressed and desperate.  Multiply that by millions and we are approaching a failed society, and it would hardly be surprising if that effect didn't spread far and wide, including road behaviour.

burtthebike wrote:

KendalRed wrote:

burtthebike wrote:

brimstone wrote:

Is it just me or is there an almost complete breakdown of law and order on the roads by motorists against cyclists? The sort of incident descibed above (and much worse examples) have become an everyday occurrence up and down the country.

I'm wondering if this is part of the social conditions at the moment, with huge numbers of people not really able to afford to live, working two or three jobs to feed their children and no hope for the future.  If you can't see any way out of your desperate situation, you're going to be in a pretty desperate state of mind, and if there aren't any police around to stop you, you're going to behave in an irrational manner.  Might be useful if someone did some research into road crime and social deprivation, and perhaps knife crime too.

And when you're told that wages are rising when that's just a reflection of the people at the top paying themselves more, and prices keep rising, you're just going to get more desperate.  Then you jump in your car and other people get in your way, so they are a handy outlet for your anger and frustration.

Yeah, because it's only poor people who drive like twats.

As we all know, that isn't true, but this kind of thing does seem to be increasing, so is it a result of the absolutely huge social inequality, with the rich totally divorced from the reality of many people; how can so many people be in poverty in one of the wealthiest countries in the world?  I well remember being broke with a wife and child and rent and food going up and no prospects and getting more and more depressed and desperate.  Multiply that by millions and we are approaching a failed society, and it would hardly be surprising if that effect didn't spread far and wide, including road behaviour.

With all due respect, what a load of twaddle!

don simon wrote:

burtthebike wrote:

KendalRed wrote:

burtthebike wrote:

brimstone wrote:

Is it just me or is there an almost complete breakdown of law and order on the roads by motorists against cyclists? The sort of incident descibed above (and much worse examples) have become an everyday occurrence up and down the country.

I'm wondering if this is part of the social conditions at the moment, with huge numbers of people not really able to afford to live, working two or three jobs to feed their children and no hope for the future.  If you can't see any way out of your desperate situation, you're going to be in a pretty desperate state of mind, and if there aren't any police around to stop you, you're going to behave in an irrational manner.  Might be useful if someone did some research into road crime and social deprivation, and perhaps knife crime too.

And when you're told that wages are rising when that's just a reflection of the people at the top paying themselves more, and prices keep rising, you're just going to get more desperate.  Then you jump in your car and other people get in your way, so they are a handy outlet for your anger and frustration.

Yeah, because it's only poor people who drive like twats.

As we all know, that isn't true, but this kind of thing does seem to be increasing, so is it a result of the absolutely huge social inequality, with the rich totally divorced from the reality of many people; how can so many people be in poverty in one of the wealthiest countries in the world?  I well remember being broke with a wife and child and rent and food going up and no prospects and getting more and more depressed and desperate.  Multiply that by millions and we are approaching a failed society, and it would hardly be surprising if that effect didn't spread far and wide, including road behaviour.

With all due respect, what a load of twaddle!

Not so sure. When I don't get any overtime in to swell the coffers, I start mugging  pensioners and kicking fellow cyclists off. It's society see. God help people if I ever lose my job.

don simon wrote:

burtthebike wrote:

KendalRed wrote:

burtthebike wrote:

brimstone wrote:

Is it just me or is there an almost complete breakdown of law and order on the roads by motorists against cyclists? The sort of incident descibed above (and much worse examples) have become an everyday occurrence up and down the country.

I'm wondering if this is part of the social conditions at the moment, with huge numbers of people not really able to afford to live, working two or three jobs to feed their children and no hope for the future.  If you can't see any way out of your desperate situation, you're going to be in a pretty desperate state of mind, and if there aren't any police around to stop you, you're going to behave in an irrational manner.  Might be useful if someone did some research into road crime and social deprivation, and perhaps knife crime too.

And when you're told that wages are rising when that's just a reflection of the people at the top paying themselves more, and prices keep rising, you're just going to get more desperate.  Then you jump in your car and other people get in your way, so they are a handy outlet for your anger and frustration.

Yeah, because it's only poor people who drive like twats.

As we all know, that isn't true, but this kind of thing does seem to be increasing, so is it a result of the absolutely huge social inequality, with the rich totally divorced from the reality of many people; how can so many people be in poverty in one of the wealthiest countries in the world?  I well remember being broke with a wife and child and rent and food going up and no prospects and getting more and more depressed and desperate.  Multiply that by millions and we are approaching a failed society, and it would hardly be surprising if that effect didn't spread far and wide, including road behaviour.

With all due respect, what a load of twaddle!

Thank you for your concise and incisive criticism, so perfectly destroying my case with your irrefutable and witty logic.

burtthebike wrote:

don simon wrote:

burtthebike wrote:

KendalRed wrote:

burtthebike wrote:

brimstone wrote:

Is it just me or is there an almost complete breakdown of law and order on the roads by motorists against cyclists? The sort of incident descibed above (and much worse examples) have become an everyday occurrence up and down the country.

I'm wondering if this is part of the social conditions at the moment, with huge numbers of people not really able to afford to live, working two or three jobs to feed their children and no hope for the future.  If you can't see any way out of your desperate situation, you're going to be in a pretty desperate state of mind, and if there aren't any police around to stop you, you're going to behave in an irrational manner.  Might be useful if someone did some research into road crime and social deprivation, and perhaps knife crime too.

And when you're told that wages are rising when that's just a reflection of the people at the top paying themselves more, and prices keep rising, you're just going to get more desperate.  Then you jump in your car and other people get in your way, so they are a handy outlet for your anger and frustration.

Yeah, because it's only poor people who drive like twats.

As we all know, that isn't true, but this kind of thing does seem to be increasing, so is it a result of the absolutely huge social inequality, with the rich totally divorced from the reality of many people; how can so many people be in poverty in one of the wealthiest countries in the world?  I well remember being broke with a wife and child and rent and food going up and no prospects and getting more and more depressed and desperate.  Multiply that by millions and we are approaching a failed society, and it would hardly be surprising if that effect didn't spread far and wide, including road behaviour.

With all due respect, what a load of twaddle!

Thank you for your concise and incisive criticism, so perfectly destroying my case with your irrefutable and witty logic.

It's kind of difficult to know where to start with such twaddle. How about you starting with something more realistic rather than pie in the sky guesswork? Once you've got something that isn't twaddle I'll try and take it seriously. Otherwise don't be surprised at people laughing at you.

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burtthebike wrote:

KendalRed wrote:

burtthebike wrote:

brimstone wrote:

 

Yeah, because it's only poor people who drive like twats.

As we all know, that isn't true, but this kind of thing does seem to be increasing, so is it a result of the absolutely huge social inequality, with the rich totally divorced from the reality of many people; how can so many people be in poverty in one of the wealthiest countries in the world?  I well remember being broke with a wife and child and rent and food going up and no prospects and getting more and more depressed and desperate.  Multiply that by millions and we are approaching a failed society, and it would hardly be surprising if that effect didn't spread far and wide, including road behaviour.

With all due respect, what a load of twaddle!

Thank you for your concise and incisive criticism, so perfectly destroying my case with your irrefutable and witty logic.

It's kind of difficult to know where to start with such twaddle. How about you starting with something more realistic rather than pie in the sky guesswork? Once you've got something that isn't twaddle I'll try and take it seriously. Otherwise don't be surprised at people laughing at you.

If it's difficult to know where to start, perhaps things aren't quite as simple and clear as you think they are.  I was merely proposing that having a repressed underclass might be increasing bad road behaviour, especially when the likelihood of being caught is so low, which seems at least arguable to me.  But, hey, if it's made you laugh my day is complete.

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don simon wrote:

burtthebike wrote:

KendalRed wrote:

burtthebike wrote:

brimstone wrote:

 

Yeah, because it's only poor people who drive like twats.

 

As we all know, that isn't true, but this kind of thing does seem to be increasing, so is it a result of the absolutely huge social inequality, with the rich totally divorced from the reality of many people; how can so many people be in poverty in one of the wealthiest countries in the world?  I well remember being broke with a wife and child and rent and food going up and no prospects and getting more and more depressed and desperate.  Multiply that by millions and we are approaching a failed society, and it would hardly be surprising if that effect didn't spread far and wide, including road behaviour.

With all due respect, what a load of twaddle!

Thank you for your concise and incisive criticism, so perfectly destroying my case with your irrefutable and witty logic.

It's kind of difficult to know where to start with such twaddle. How about you starting with something more realistic rather than pie in the sky guesswork? Once you've got something that isn't twaddle I'll try and take it seriously. Otherwise don't be surprised at people laughing at you.

If it's difficult to know where to start, perhaps things aren't quite as simple and clear as you think they are.  I was merely proposing that having a repressed underclass might be increasing bad road behaviour, especially when the likelihood of being caught is so low, which seems at least arguable to me.  But, hey, if it's made you laugh my day is complete.

Perhaps someone could do a survey or and invstigation to determine whether there is any validity in the statement, or they could not waste their time. your welcome.

don simon]</p>

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wrote:

don simon wrote:

burtthebike wrote:

KendalRed wrote:

burtthebike wrote:

brimstone wrote:

With all due respect, what a load of twaddle!

Thank you for your concise and incisive criticism, so perfectly destroying my case with your irrefutable and witty logic.

It's kind of difficult to know where to start with such twaddle. How about you starting with something more realistic rather than pie in the sky guesswork? Once you've got something that isn't twaddle I'll try and take it seriously. Otherwise don't be surprised at people laughing at you.

If it's difficult to know where to start, perhaps things aren't quite as simple and clear as you think they are.  I was merely proposing that having a repressed underclass might be increasing bad road behaviour, especially when the likelihood of being caught is so low, which seems at least arguable to me.  But, hey, if it's made you laugh my day is complete.

Perhaps someone could do a survey or and invstigation to determine whether there is any validity in the statement, or they could not waste their time. your welcome.

My welcome?  I haven't welcomed anything.  However, I diverge, and I have to agree with you, it is such a waste of time to investigate anything that you know is true, like the earth being flat, blood circulation, bacteria etc, etc.

Have you stopped laughing yet?

brimstone wrote:

Is it just me or is there an almost complete breakdown of law and order on the roads by motorists against cyclists?

No mate, you'll find that some drivers are equally twatty towards other drivers and pedestrians too. It's more a breakdown in society as a whole.

brimstone wrote:

Is it just me or is there an almost complete breakdown of law and order on the roads by motorists against cyclists?

No, it's not just you.  They know that there is almost no chance of being caught because there are hardly any coppers left, and the ones who are on the street are lazy, feckless, unmotivated, badly trained and atrociously managed.  

And they know that should the old bill decide on a one-off 'operation', public opinion will ensure that it's cyclists who are targeted, and not them.  

itboffin wrote:

i live not far from there i'm really surprised that such a tiny little village barely a town would have such behaviour, its not like you pass through there to anywhere.

Maybe a very stupid prank by kids rather than an planned assult.

Sorry more likely grown up low-life cycle haters who should know better.

itboffin wrote:

i live not far from there i'm really surprised that such a tiny little village barely a town would have such behaviour, its not like you pass through there to anywhere.

Maybe a very stupid prank by kids rather than an planned assult.

Surely if the car was following behind, then sped up until it was abreast and the rear seat passenger deliberatley pushed him, this was a planned assault. It may well have been kids initiating a very stupid prank, but it is still a planned assault; prank or not.

It also does not matter if this done on a country road in the middle of nowhere or the centre of a metropolis, it is still the same. I grew up in a small town with surrounding small villages and I guarantee that there were idiots and supposed hard cases from the immediate and surrounding areas who would not have given a toss about doing the same to the cyclist. Unfortunately too many people lack empathy, are too egocentic and narcissistic to give a damn about the consequencies of their actions.