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Wasn’t that the ‘documentary’ starring Father Dougal as a talking cat? 😉
At that rate, they’d soon reach a Commuter Event Horizon where nobody moves anywhere and everyone just lives in their car, stuck stationarily on the road.It’d be like in that BBC documentary, Gridlock
200-year-old Finchingfield bridge to be closed for repairs next week after ‘several’ crashes over the summerhttps://road.cc/content/forum/car-crashes-building-please-post-your-local-news-stories-276441
people?
It’s about time they just pulled down that ‘woke’ bridge that’s getting in the way of hard-working, put-upon drivers. I bet it wears lycra in its spare time and joins Greta Thunberg’s protests.
Oldfatgit wrote:
One of my concerns about segregated infrastructure is the places where it cannot exist and cyclists are again thrown in to the flow of traffic. As unideal as it is, at least with the current system drivers are used to seeing us on the road; true, some of them don’t like it, but at least the majority know how to behave around us. Remove this with segregation, and this behaviour pattern will reduce to insignificance and we will be at an even greater risk on the roads.It doesn’t seem to be a problem in places where they have some decent infrastructure.
Man punched in the face by woman ‘multiple times’ in Gloucester road rage attackWhat cars do to people.
It’s about time that people had driving bans if they don’t have the emotional maturity to deal with modern driving. Let’s get these nutters out of their cars so we don’t have to deal with their self-indulgent rages.
Driver ‘denies speeding’ despite destroying car in roundabout wall crashhttps://www.wiltshire999s.co.uk/driver-denies-speeding-roundabout-wall-crash/
That kind of crash and damage would make sense if they were speeding, so maybe they need their licence revoked as the universe is sending a clear sign that they weren’t in control.
Posting here as the Wales 20mph thread is also getting long.Bingo cards at the ready – although because “BBC” they’ve found a few people saying “actually, I see the point in some places”:
One tidbit that snaps my cranks is when they grudgingly allow for limits around schools – presumably they don’t care about the kids’ safety when they’ve walked a bit further.
Rich_cb wrote:
There’s already a bridge and 2 tunnels and a light controlled crossing. After the university it’s a pure dual carriageway, now at 30 mph. It’s not just the 20mph limits that were changed.Well, I can’t add any local knowledge to this but I’m quite happy for as many roads as possible to be 20mph – YMMV.
Rich is talking about the same road I posted above. There is a University on that stretch, and it’s congested, but it isn’t an obvious candidate for 20mph IMO.Maybe it’s the foot traffic from the University that has earnt it a lower speed limit
Rich_cb wrote:
Dual carriageways have definitely had their speeds reduced in Cardiff. Western Avenue in Cardiff is now a mixture of 20 and 30 mph limits. Previously it was mainly 40.That’s curious as I wouldn’t think that a dual carriageway would be counted as a residential road or busy pedestrian street. I wonder what the reasoning behind that is?
There are definitely some questionable examples. E.g. in my neck of the woods, this stretch of road recently dropped to 20mph. I don’t particularly mind, but it’s not residential, and until a couple of years ago the speed limit was 40 (then dropped to 30 when surrounding roads became subject to one of the pilot 20 zones), so I can see why some might think it’s unnecessarily low.With that amount of traffic on it, 20mph might be an aspiration
I think bikeman’s point is that the excepted roads shown in the Swansea area are a very small proportion of the roads – so many others are 20mph. Unfortunately (but perhaps unsurprisingly) it seems the map is not complete – only some highways authorities have marked various categories of road.However, I still don’t get the speedo obsession. Ok, there might be a small adjustment period as you acclimatise to what the reduced speed looks/feels/sounds like. But if you weren’t previously glued to your speedo to ensure you were doing 30, you won’t need to be glued to it now to do 20.
It just seems to me that some of the complaints aren’t relevant as a dual carriageway is hardly a residential road. Is she misinformed about the scheme (likely) or is it that the Senedd had been overzealous and not entirely truthful?
I dont go there myself often but I can assure you there are a lot more roads in and around Swansea than the few exceptions that that map shows.Anyway she is 85. I expect she thinks everywhere is now 20.
I can’t add any local knowledge to that, but it sounds peculiar that the map specifically for that purpose would be incorrect.
My mother lives in Swansea, Wales. Here is her take on 20mph.– 20mph through villages, housing estates, schools etc is sensible.
– Swansea has lots of main roads, some dual carriageways. All are now 20mph. It’s very difficult to keep to 20 on these roads without looking consistently at your speedo.
– Plenty of aggression from frustrated drivers and overtaking in inappropriate places
– Some people are driving at 15mph.
– Lots of rat running down side streets.
– Very difficult to pull out of side roads when theres a constant stream of 20mph cars bumper to bumper.
Sounds like the expected shit show to me.
I think every villiage in Oxfordshire is already 20mph and it’s not caused an uproar because most accept that it is being used appropriately. But this blanket change from 30 to 20 in Wales is madness.
That doesn’t seem to match up with the data. From https://datamap.gov.wales/maps/roads-affected-by-changes-to-the-speed-limit-on-re/
When the Senedd voted in favour in July 2022, Wales became the first UK nation to pass legislation to lower the default national speed limit on residential roads and busy pedestrian streets from 30mph to 20mph. The new speed limit came into force on Sunday 17 September 2023.The new legislation is not a blanket speed limit on all roads, it simply changes the default speed limit on restricted roads from 30mph to 20mph. Highway authorities, who know their area best, engaged with their local communities to decide which roads should remain at 30mph.
Exceptions to 20mph default speed limits
This map shows:
a. roads remaining at 30mph speed limit (‘exceptions’)
Some highway authorities have also shown:
b. roads that are currently 30mph by Order and will stay at 30mph
c. roads that are 20mph by virtue of legislation (restricted roads)
d. roads that are 20mph by Order
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Autonomous Audi crashes into Bristol student accomodation https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/car-crashes-wall-student-accommodation-8818226
