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PhillBrown wrote:As long as
[quote=PhillBrown]As long as your shifters have internal cabling, a pair of “Sissy Levers” would solve this for you…http://www.wiggle.co.uk/cane-creek-crosstop-brake-levers/%5B/quote%5D
I prefer Cross Brakes For Pave-Crushing Heros 😉
There’s a half decent video on this over on velonews
I’m not suggesting it’s a
I’m not suggesting it’s a clean sport, but the only testing done for which I can find results seem to show that there is no perceivable benefit to endurance athletes / cyclists even at acute levels. So rather than watch old videos, i’d prefer to read peer reviewed studies that counter the ones that I can find. The fact that the ones I can see show no benefit even after weeks of administration is hard to ignore, even given it’s not identical to the real world usage. EPO has been shown in studies, to have a number of readily identifiable benefits at a range of dosages, where is that corresponding evidence here ? That’s what’s intriguing me…
tao24 wrote:Trouble is that
Trouble is that no-one has demonstrated that ergogenic drugs enhance performance in events like road cycling. Here the weight of an athlete is as important as the ability to produce power normally and hence while you may put on muscle mass, that may actually slow you down. Most of the studies I have seen with anabolic steroids look at very short efforts, similar to weight training.The article discussed in the page crikey linked to is regarding muscle mass increase in resistive training, so that would fit in with what you’re proposing. Still yet to find any consistent findings indicating salbutamol usage improves endurance athlete performance, particularly in cyclists. Quite the opposite. Still looking though.
daddyELVIS wrote:fukawitribe
I think what we’re saying here is that a inhaler for asthma relief is really not going to do any good to a healthy (non-asthmatic) pro-cyclist. That’s what the science i’ve dug up so far says.
That’s what you’re saying, I’m not!
Yes, fingers not following brain. Mea culpa.
daddyELVIS wrote:Here’s an
Here’s an interview with a coach from the Nike Oregon Project:A good read and gives some clues about modern doping. This comment is quite telling:
“For instance, getting a Therapeutic Use Exemption for an inhaler can be very easily done. If I take you and run your ass up and down the stairs five or six or seven times, then take you into the doctor, you’re going to be asthmatic and fail the test, and you’re going to be allowed to take an inhaler.
Don’t get me wrong—some of these drugs make life better for certain groups. But if you’re a healthy person, why the hell would you need an inhaler? I was somewhat concerned about that.”
I think what we’re saying here is that a inhaler for asthma relief is really not going to do any good to a healthy (non-asthmatic) pro-cyclist. That’s what the science i’ve dug up so far says.
crikey wrote:I think, and I’m
I think, and I’m not being patronising, that you’re looking in the wrong places…Quite possibly, although the studies i’ve looked at have been in a range of general and sports medical journals – quite how ‘reliable’ some of the are, I don’t know, but the message was consistent.
[quote=crikey]Read here;
http://www.steroidology.com/forum/anabolic-steroid-forum/54341-anabolic-albuterol.html%5B/quote%5D
Tah.
Well that’s just it – the
Well that’s just it – the only results i’ve seen so far have come back with a distinct lack of ergogenic effects but i’m open to links to other studies and i’ll keep looking. So, if it’s not a PED at low dosage and not a PED at high (inhaled) levels, when / how does it produce a significant benefit ? Serious question, i’m not adverse to being educated – just lacking in the relevant information.
crikey wrote:Salbutamol is
Salbutamol is well known as a performance enhancing drug, not just as a bronchodilator.Like this ?..
http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF02425500
The effect of salbutamol (S) on cycling performance was examined in 15 highly trained non-asthmatic male cyclists. A double-blind, randomized cross-over design was used with S or placebo (P) administered using a metered-dose inhaler and a spacer device 20 min before each testing session. The S dose was 400 μg (four puffs), which is twice the normal therapeutic level. Subjects were habituated to all the laboratory procedures in the week prior to actual data collection. The subjects performed four tests under S and P conditions on separate days over 2 weeks. These included measurement of maximal O2 uptake(V˙O2max) (cycle ergometry) with assessment of pulmonary function before and after, a submaximal (90% of ventilatory threshold) square-wave work transition from a base of unloaded cycling, a 60-s modified Wingate test, and a simulated 20 km time trial. No significant differences were observed in any of the dependent variables related to aerobic endurance or cycling performance between the S and P conditions. These results support other findings that an acute dose (400 μg) of S has no performance-enhancing properties.
or this ?
http://thorax.bmj.com/content/56/9/675.full
CONCLUSIONS Inhaled salbutamol, even in a high dose, did not have a significant effect on endurance performance in non-asthmatic athletes, although the bronchodilating effect of the drug at the beginning of exercise may have improved respiratory adaptation. Our results do not preclude an ergogenic effect of β2 agonists given by other routes or for a longer period.
or this ?
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21327796
β2-Adrenergic receptor agonists are believed to present with ergogenic properties. However, how combined respiratory, cardiovascular and muscular effects of these drugs might affect exercise capacity remain incompletely understood. The effects of salbutamol were investigated in 23 healthy subjects. The study was randomised, placebo-controlled in double-blind and followed a cross-over design. Salbutamol was given at the dose of 10 μg/min in 11 subjects and 20 μg/min iv in the other 12 subjects. Measurements included muscle sympathetic nerve activity (MSNA), ventilatory responses to hyperoxic hypercapnia (7% CO(2) in O(2,) central chemoreflex), isocapnic hypoxia (10% O(2) in N(2), peripheral chemoreflex) and isometric muscle contraction followed by a local circulatory arrest (metaboreflex), cardiopulmonary exercise test (CPET) variables and isokinetic muscle strength. Salbutamol 10 μg/min increased heart rate and blood pressure, while MSNA burst frequency remained unchanged. Peripheral chemosensitivity increased, as evidenced by an increased ventilatory response to hypoxia, but ventilatory responses to hypercapnia or muscle ischaemia remained unchanged. The effects of salbutamol 20 μg/min were similar. Both doses of salbutamol did not affect CPET. Only the higher dose of salbutamol decreased the anaerobic threshold, but this was not associated with a change in VO(2) max. Salbutamol increased the slopes of ventilation as a function of VO(2) (P < 0.05) and VCO(2) (P < 0.001) during CPET. Maximal isokinetic muscle strength was not affected by salbutamol. In conclusion, the acute administration of either low or high dose salbutamol does not affect exercise capacity in normal subjects, in spite of an earlier anaerobic threshold and increased chemosensitivity.
..and so on. The oral doses show some benefit in some studies – but that doesn’t appear to be the issue here. There may have been a reason behind WADA removing it from the list of prohibited substances.
Another question – how can
Another question – how can abrasion injuries be so prevalent at the pinnacle of pro sport? My hunch is the condition is faked to facilitate a TUE for performance-enhancing graze meds.Their BMI and resting heart rates are anomalously low too – probably more drugs..
(in all seriousness, while there’s almost certainly an amount of, shall we say ‘over-exaggerated’, asthma conditions in the pro-peloton and elsewhere, beware of extending the comparison of the rate in the population in general too far)
crikey wrote:A tube weighs as
A tube weighs as much as a puncture outfit, so I take 2 tubes along, and repair 3 or 4 at once on a quiet windy/wet evening at home. When repaired, I take the new tube out and replace it with a repaired one so I know if it goes down over night.Proper repairs involve a good sanding down of the inner tube around the puncture, then glue allowed to dry, then patch…
I’d recommend the Park Tool Super Patches maybe as a useful extra or even potentially as a replacement for one of the tubes – they’re cheap, the packet is tiny and as close to weighing nothing as makes no difference. The adhesion is superb and consistent, even with a less than perfect surface to stick to. There’s not the same stretch as a rubber repair but in reality it’s not noticeable – you could even stretch the puncture area a tad with your fingers if you wanted to get it bang on, but i’ve never had one let go or cause the tube around it to degrade/tear.
I tend to carry a single tube and the patches – first puncture gets new tube, patches cater for anything else (or when I forgot to replace the spare tube – d’oh).
huntswheelers wrote:change
change the Frame…. sounds like a dog of a frame to me…. A few of my customers are dropping away from Carbon and back to Aluminium frames again due to quality issues…. I see the carbon bubble about to burst….Yeah, I imagine in a couple of years time you’ll only be able to find them in second-hand shops and museums…
rapid4 wrote:I was planning
I was planning on getting some REGO Rapid recovery- this is currently £12.99 down to £10.39 so will give free delivery.This would then be gels worth £16 plus recovery worth £13 which is £29 delivered to my door for £10.39.
No bad PR coming from me. ;)
BTW, REGO in the old bottle is still available from Halfords for £ 9.01 (+ 10% off that if you have BC membership)
vonhelmet wrote:bikebot
I’m pretty sure it’s Drupal under the hood.A quick look at the page source suggests you’re right.
Ah – good point, didn’t look. Cheers gents.
Not the only one, happens
Not the only one, happens quite a bit here too – almost like the style sheet has gone AWOL. Slow page access appears to be making a bit of a re-appearance too… i’d love to know what the architecture is, love road.cc dearly but the i’m struggling to think of another site I frequent that is so consistently un-responsive.
fukawitribe wrote:Kadinkski
No, that’s not what I’m saying. There are countless athletes at the top of their game not doping, I would actually say the majority of athletes at their absolute pinnacle are not doping. I’m saying that a small minority of athletes in any given distance event are doping – and those are the world beaters, the absolute elite of the elite, the top 20%.
…You are saying the all of the top 20% of distance athletes are definitely doping – i’m saying that’s nonsense. I’m not saying that doping doesn’t exist, nor that doping in some sports is absolutely rife at the top-level
Edit : that would be “nor that doping in some sports isn’t absolutely rife at the top-level”.