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chrisonabike wrote:
BBC also have a fairly “info-lite” interview with a couple who went, plus some other comments. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4g9006l6z6o The common line seems to be “I just went to support free speech / my country, I dunno much about the organiser…” So it’s “came in solidarity / because we feel (economically) put-upon and not listened to, stayed for the conspiracy theories / ‘they’ are taking your country and silencing you”. EDIT good comment by a counter-protester who said they heard some racist language:But I think it’s easy for us to say that the rally was full of people who are racist. The reality is that the majority, I’m sure the majority of the people there, were there for what they thought were the right reasons, but the people leading the rally were there for racist reasons and I think that was very evident in the speeches they gave.The part about people’s economic prospects I can get. And there was me thinking that Brexit was going to sort everything out – the serious point being that people aren’t learning from from the experience that, having been heavily promoted as being great for the UK economy, it was/is not. Also the government denying help to others isn’t going to make your lot any better, it just doesn’t work that way.
I could go on about the fallout in 1930s Europe from the Wall Street Crash/ The Great Depression, the weakness of the Weimar Republic and even the consequences of the Treaty of Versailles. (Lee Anderson wants kids to learn about the two world wars, right – or does he mean put a John Mills film on and go out for a fag?)
The bits about the erosion of freedom of speech are pretty sketchy at best.
The aspect about I’m still worried about, thinking about last Saturday’s rally, is the sanitisation and normalisation of this stuff – we’re getting into Ordinary Germans territory there.
How many councillors has
How many councillors has Reform UK lost since May? (He lists 18.)
https://www.markpack.org.uk/175342/how-many-councillors-has-reform-uk-lost-since-may/
see also (a temporary absence, apparently):
Reform UK councillor in Cornwall takes special leave of absence following criticism
Over the next three months other Reform councillors will respond to queries concerning the areas she represents
Her husband Cllr Rob Parsonage – the head of the Reform UK group at Cornwall Council – said in a statement: “In discussion with Cornwall Council, Cllr Christine Parsonage has taken special leave to concentrate on her wellbeing following press and social media interest that has happened using effectively misinformation. She is planning to return to the role as a councillor in a number of weeks time.
”We just wanted to say that we are not racists or far-right. We’re just a normal couple that live in West Sussex with our 21 year old. We do not follow Tommy Robinson but he was the one who organised the march.”We are not racists or far-right, we just went on a racist far-right march organised by the country’s most notorious criminal far-right racist. One really does start to wonder whether some sort of IQ competency test should be applied to the right to vote.
Oh, I see, I had one of the above mentioned brainwashing teachers who went on about the rise of the Nazis, and what a bunch of degenerates Hitler’s crew were. It all makes sense now.
Ranvir Singh told to quit
Ranvir Singh told to quit Good Morning Britain after emotional speech on far-right march
Singh revealed she’s been told to ‘resign’ by some Good Morning Britain viewers after airing her views on London’s far-right march during the show on Monday morning
https://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/ranvir-singh-told-quit-good-35908687
Normalise attending a Tommy Robinson rally – this report from GMB a few days ago is a bit sketchy, but that seems to be the message. Following an extremist, but in a consequence-free, didn’t inhale kind of way – it sounds like a risky approach to adopt to me, thinking about my 1930s history. Did Wendy (below) simply decide that at £32 each Chessington WoA was too expensive, or something?
“I don’t want to believe that 150,000 people are out and out racists”
I liked how Reid and Madeley put it to her, as though it’s her problem, that half the viewers were full of hate towards her.
“But half of people saying thank you for saying what you said because it resonated. And I just want to mention somebody called Wendy who’s DM’d me and is reflective of the vast majority in the middle, and I massively appreciate her getting in touch.
Viewer Wendy said to Ranvir in her message: “Saw you on the TV, you were talking about the march that happened on Saturday. I’m sorry that you felt like you couldn’t do what you wanted to do that day. Me and my husband went to the March on Saturday.”
“We just wanted to say that we are not racists or far-right. We’re just a normal couple that live in West Sussex with our 21 year old. We do not follow Tommy Robinson but he was the one who organised the march. If it was organised by someone else we still would have gone.”
This story has been doing the rounds, usually headlined “Ranvir Singh told to quit” though even the Daily Express managed to put a nicer headline on it at one point: “Ranvir Singh shares heartbreaking reason she didn’t feel safe during Tommy Robinson rally”. I can’t find a write-up of what was said on Monday – might try and find it on ITV X.
Some poor soul from PA had to
Some poor soul from PA had to turn in something from the Reform Party conference – this patch of incoherence is their best effort.
Reform UK council leader George Finch, 19, says sixth form is a ‘complete joke’
There’s something very fitting about his criticsm of sixth form – next up how long it takes to book a driving test, the paperwork you need to open a current account.
EDIT Here’s a lift from Lee Anderson’s contribution, thinking about Professor Watch and all that:
Ashfield MP Mr Anderson, who was also speaking on the panel, said Reform UK will root out teachers who are “brainwashing” children when asked about the possibility the Government could seek to make the curriculum more diverse.
“There are some teachers… in our schools who are brainwashing our kids into their way of thinking.
“When we get into power, we will root these teachers out, and hold them to account.”
He said they should be teaching children about the industrial revolution and the First and Second World Wars or the history of medicine in the UK rather than “diversity nonsense”.
Fears Eastgate Street gates
Fears Eastgate Street gates are turning area into a ‘ghost town’ as cost to taxpayers revealed
‘Since the old Liquid nightclub has closed, it is deserted. No traffic, no people’
Wow, a whole night-time weekend road gate arrangement in Gloucester (we’re at the far end of Eastgate Street) and I missed it. Not quite sure what councillor ghost town is saying – cars (I.e. not closing the gates?) will fix it?
Residents forced to park on
Residents forced to park on street after charity takes away their parking spaces
Coastline Housing said the parking spaces are only for its tenants
https://www.cornwalllive.com/news/cornwall-news/residents-forced-park-street-after-10505719
So the moral of the tale is don’t assume that the communal parking will be forever useable by you without some kind of licence when you buy your rented house.
The patriotism / national
The patriotism / national pride fig leaf for lamp post flags has well and truly shrivelled-up and dropped-off:
Faversham Against Racism campaigners organise plans to de-flag town while anti-immigration demo occurs in Canterbury
Harry Hilden, who helped organise the flying of the flags in Faversham and the recent protest, took to Facebook to criticise the planned “clean-up”.
“Do you know what those flags represent? That this is England, we are not letting our culture get erased and we are not becoming a minority in our own country,” he said in a video posted to the site.
“There are many, many more of us than you,” he continued.
“Try to take down our flags and other towns are going to get together and put them all back up, in this town and flag the s**t out of it and put them all back up.”
Police called as argument breaks out over lamppost flags
He claimed that a woman, who had expressed her disagreement with the flags being put up, said she had been followed and that two people attempted to put flags up outside her home.
Tom Conway has strongly refuted this claim, saying they had already planned to put flags up in the area, prior to encountering the woman.
“We were putting flags in that street because someone in the street requested them and put a donation towards it,” he said.
In a video that has been widely circulated on social media, a woman is seen attempting to block a lamppost.
A man is also seen repeatedly trying to lean a ladder against the lamppost to put a flag up. On two occasions, the woman pushes the ladder onto the ground.
“The lady in question had come onto the estate and said we don’t want the flags here, which she’s entitled to do,” Cllr Mace said.
“If it is about love and unity, they can move on and put the flags elsewhere.”
https://www.worcesternews.co.uk/news/25476998.police-called-argument-breaks-lamppost-flags/
StevenCrook wrote:
No, it’s a target marker for the massive orbital space laser they’re going to use to vapourise people who drive over the white dot.that explains all the car fires/ EV fires
Brain wash ’em younghttps://www.localauthority.news/p/farage-football-shirt-offered-as
shouldn’t it be a no 7 – right winger?
‘Horror’ at plan to concrete
‘Horror’ at plan to concrete over Thanington Recreation Ground in Canterbury for new park and ride
“The idea that it can be concreted over for car parking is simply horrifying and once it’s gone, it’s lost forever.
“There’s also the threat of air pollution from all those vehicle movements and during the construction phase.
Cars are fine until (a) there’s a lot of them (b) they’re in your back yard and (c) your dog walking field has gone. Whatever you, do cars are going to consume space.
Genuine question – I wonder
Genuine question – I wonder what the traffic count today (with by pass) is vs “obscene” 1985?
A real cop-out from the
A real cop-out from the leader of Hampshire CC here.
Hampshire council leader says ‘if flags are safe, they stay’
So it’s virtually free rein for the racists who put these things up as a way to claim territory.
There’s plenty of comments excusing it as a sort of patriotism or national pride, which we all know it is not – it’s claiming territory and saying as much to minorities.
I read one guy who was, and I don’t blame him for trying, putting a brave face on it and saying he felt secure in his own Britishness and his contribution, so was OK with it. But it moves along in stages – once people feel emboldened to do this passive stuff, what comes next what else are we going to excuse as banter, high spirits? You’re allowed to threaten someone as long as it’s all done in good humour, you’re allowed to strike them so long as you don’t draw blood?
I hope it is just an unfortunate fad that will pass.
They say that if someone has arrived at a position, i.e hate, not through reason then no amount of reason will ever move them from it, so I guess there’s not much point in my saying “here’s 10 reasons why you shouldn’t hate people who’ve done nothing to you”.
But here goes anyway: I’ve been on my travels in the last few days and encountered in another part of the country a whole load of flags on lamp posts – there’s no doubt in my mind about the impact of this when you see it for the first time. We haven’t had much of it around my way, you see. My related point, about the contribution aspect, which I only make it because it’s visible to anyone who looks is who the heck do you think is filling the train with water so the toilets flush, emptying the station bins and serving in the Starbucks?
So did Mr Ware go elsewhere from 1986 to 1992?Sadly, I believe he was trapped in his home due to the obscene levels of traffic.
I’ve remembered where I’d seen sex-starved Richard before – presumably Mrs is played by Paul Whitehouse? I honestly did expect their segment to segway into a “today, oi be mostly shredding cabbages” moment. .
Archive: Village’s women ban sex before bypass demoThe demonstration was held after a bypass around the village was delayed, with Mrs Ware’s husband Richard saying through-traffic had “grown to a level of obscenity”
So did Mr Ware go elsewhere from 1986 to 1992?
