The Reform Party and the UK’s lurch towards fascism

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    David9694

    I posted an earlier version of this a while back – inspired to do update following THAT discussion about all things ULEZ. 

    The “manifesto”, in terms of transport, only mentions stopping HS2, but there’s plenty on the usual right-wing obsessions: Brexit, immigration, veterans and climate change.  I had another look because I worry about the ongoing decline of the two main political parties. 

    If the Cons stay wedded to Brexit, then we will go into the next GE with all the widespread impoverishment Brexit has ushered in – not helped by Covid, Putin, etc. People generally vote according to their pockets.  I don’t get Labour’s current position on Europe either, but let’s see how that evolves, and even the Cons may also evolve, or even pivot, but time is already running out for them.

    Several roads now lead to the horrors of a further lurch to the right in this country.  Let’s hope Labour get the GE landslide the polls are predicting – but we’re still at least a year out from the real campaigning beginning. 

    A cycling angle? With the Reform Party and its ilk, Facebook Steve and Nextdoor Dave attain real political influence. It’s not spelt out in the manifesto, but you can see where this is probably heading and what it is likely to mean for cycling.  You can bet that this lot are very much “on the side of hard working drivers” etc. 

    As you all know, Dave’s going to “sort the traffic” and no doubt show them lazy planners how it’s done: Steve thinks the Council are corrupt, the police blinkered and is, if he can fit it in to his busy schedule he’s going to “teach them Lycra’s a thing or two.” It won’t concern him that his Mondeo is 3 months out of MoT or that Mrs Steve sometimes drives the kids in it uninsured. 

    As vulnerable road users, vulnerable people, we rely a great deal on the rule of law for protection. The rule of law means that we understand what the laws are, they are in general fair, and how they are applied and to whom is even-handed and consistent. 

    The fascist position is broadly the opposite – it’s all off-the-cuff to support today’s particular agenda – that’s why the Iain Duncan-Smith “happy to see ULEZ infra vandalised” comment is, as an example, so very worrying.  In the Conservatives, here is a party happy to send signals to enable the mob to attack RNLI stations, beat up immigrants, shout at teachers, doctors etc. 

    This right-wing stuff works by allowing/enabling significant privileged groups to to think of themselves as the downtrodden underdog and here is a way to fight back.  The pro Brexit campaign played on people’s ignorance, fears and prejudices exactly as this does. 

    It’s all about freedom, innit, less regulation, less tax burden, and damn the climate.  There’s more polar bears now, so it’s fine.  Let’s have open-cast coal mining, lithium mining and fracking. The section on climate change stumbles around like a Friday night drunk, trying to explain he wasn’t being racist to the barman – a denier position emerges, unsurprisingly.

    In places, the mask really slips: “We must keep divisive woke ideologies such as Critical Race Theory (CRT) and gender ideology out of the classroom.” – to be honest, I don’t even know what those two are.

    The standard enemies are put up – the civil service, the BBC.  Amid all the thrust and parry, there’s nothing  about making a better, more inclusive and cohesive world to live in; arts, sports and culture don’t feature in this barstool view of the world: a dullard’s grim vision.

    Don’t be a member of the wrong sort of minority would be my advice, should any of this come to pass. 
     

    https://www.reformparty.uk/reformisessential

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    David9694

    As a bit of an aside, all

    As a bit of an aside, all this talk of flooding in the fens has coaxed this 1974 BBC education programme, Cloudburst, out from the edges of memory.  The story got, as I recall it, quite scary with the bleak fenland landscapes and all that Radiophonic Workshop music spangling away.

    In our first instalment, the two kids are off on their bikes to the old airfield, in that carefree way that also sits at the edge of memory, to fly their model aircraft. What could possibly go wrong? 

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwvDgKKnrkQ
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mucnDt5Pmn4

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    David9694

    Can this lot succeed in

    Can this lot succeed in delivering a family-friendly anti immigration march and masking the inherent thuggery? No alcohol, drugs or swearing, please. 

    Ukip leader Nick Tenconi expected to join anti-immigration march in Rochester and Let’s Talk About The Flag meeting held in Rainham

    The protest on October 18 is being organised by Roger Hogg, a member of UKIP, and will begin opposite Rochester railway station at 1pm.

    Mr Hogg, who also organised the Maidstone ‘stop the boats’ march in August, says he wants the march to be a peaceful demonstration against the government’s policies and a show of pride in the United Kingdom.

    He said: “We’re marching because of the state of the country. I’m 37 and I have never seen the UK struggling as it has been right now.

    “The point of the march is to bring the nation together and make clear that the situation has got to change.

    “We have had an influx of people coming into the country, and it’s out of control, it’s got to stop.

    “I hope people can come down and have a fantastic time as a community and say to the government we’re not happy with the way things are.”

    He also wants the event to be suitable for families and to avoid any sort of disorder which has been seen in some areas of the country.

    He continued: “We want this to be as peaceful as possible, so we have a zero-tolerance of drinking alcohol, taking drugs, or wearing facemasks or coverings at the march.

    “Anyone who breaks any of those rules will be asked to leave because it’s not what we want this event to be about.

    “We also ask people attending to watch their language, which will be a bit harder to police, but because we want this to be family-friendly, we want people to avoid swearing.

    “We want this to be something for everyone to enjoy and have a nice day.”

    The UKIP leader, Nick Tenconi, could also be in attendance if his schedule permits, Mr Hogg says, but there will also be singalongs and attendees are welcome to make speeches.

    https://www.kentonline.co.uk/medway/news/we-need-to-start-talking-to-each-other-further-protests-a-330585/

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    David9694

    There may be a degree of

    There may be a degree of pragmatism at work in touristey York here, but good for you York traders:
     

    https://yorkmix.com/york-traders-put-up-global-bunting-to-signal-theyre-a-safe-space-to-anyone-under-threat/

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    David9694

    Lincolnshire Fens need

    Lincolnshire Fens need ‘billions’ to stop them being reclaimed by the sea

    Southern Lincolnshire was drained 400 years ago – but now faces its most serious threat

    Lincolnshire could be forced to “surrender the Fens” back to the sea unless billions of pounds are spent on new defences, councillors have been warned. The manmade area is facing its gravest risk since it was drained 400 years ago due to ageing infrastructure and unpredictable weather.

    https://www.lincolnshirelive.co.uk/news/lincoln-news/lincolnshire-fens-need-billions-stop-10530797

    A while back, we were reflecting that of all the places in which to be Brexity / Reform-ey, Lincolnshire is quite the package. 

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    David9694

    Town council stresses flag

    Town council stresses flag removals in Minehead are part of seasonal change

    https://www.wsfp.co.uk/news/town-council-stresses-flag-removals-in-minehead-are-part-of-seasonal-change-836245

    Good for you, Minehead Town Council. 

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    David9694

    Reform’s love affair with

    Reform’s love affair with flags (see 3 months downthread from Pride month) continues to haunt them 

    Swastika graffitied St George cross and Union Jack removed by police as North Northants Council ‘actively’ discourage public attaching or removing lamppost flags

    Kettering*, of all places. 

    https://www.northantstelegraph.co.uk/news/people/swastika-graffitied-st-george-cross-and-union-jack-removed-by-police-as-north-northants-council-actively-discourage-public-attaching-or-removing-lamppost-flags-5334514

    I wonder how far off Operation Arrest the Illegals we are now? 

    *The joke being that “oh yes Margaret’s in Kettering” as spoken by Richard McWilson leads to hilarious consequences when the local am dram soc want some sandwiches and cake laid on. 

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    David9694

    chrisonabike wrote:

    chrisonabike wrote:
    BBC also have a fairly “info-lite” interview with a couple who went, plus some other comments. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4g9006l6z6o The common line seems to be “I just went to support free speech / my country, I dunno much about the organiser…” So it’s “came in solidarity / because we feel (economically) put-upon and not listened to, stayed for the conspiracy theories / ‘they’ are taking your country and silencing you”. EDIT good comment by a counter-protester who said they heard some racist language:
    But I think it’s easy for us to say that the rally was full of people who are racist. The reality is that the majority, I’m sure the majority of the people there, were there for what they thought were the right reasons, but the people leading the rally were there for racist reasons and I think that was very evident in the speeches they gave.

    The part about people’s economic prospects I can get.  And there was me thinking that Brexit was going to sort everything out – the serious point being that people aren’t learning from from the experience that, having been heavily promoted as being great for the UK economy, it was/is not. Also the government denying help to others isn’t going to make your lot any better, it just doesn’t work that way.  

    I could go on about the fallout in 1930s Europe from the Wall Street Crash/ The Great Depression, the weakness of the Weimar Republic and even the consequences of the Treaty of Versailles. (Lee Anderson wants kids to learn about the two world wars, right – or does he mean put a John Mills film on and go out for a fag?)

    The bits about the erosion of freedom of speech are pretty sketchy at best.

    The aspect about I’m still worried about, thinking about last Saturday’s rally, is the sanitisation and normalisation of this stuff – we’re getting into Ordinary Germans territory there. 

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    David9694

    How many councillors has

    How many councillors has Reform UK lost since May? (He lists 18.)

    https://www.markpack.org.uk/175342/how-many-councillors-has-reform-uk-lost-since-may/

    see also (a temporary absence, apparently):

    Reform UK councillor in Cornwall takes special leave of absence following criticism

    Over the next three months other Reform councillors will respond to queries concerning the areas she represents

    Her husband Cllr Rob Parsonage – the head of the Reform UK group at Cornwall Council – said in a statement: “In discussion with Cornwall Council, Cllr Christine Parsonage has taken special leave to concentrate on her wellbeing following press and social media interest that has happened using effectively misinformation. She is planning to return to the role as a councillor in a number of weeks time.

    https://www.cornwalllive.com/news/cornwall-news/reform-uk-councillor-cornwall-takes-10504055?int_source=nba

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    David9694
    Rendel Harris wrote:
    Wendy wrote:
    ”We just wanted to say that we are not racists or far-right. We’re just a normal couple that live in West Sussex with our 21 year old. We do not follow Tommy Robinson but he was the one who organised the march.”

    We are not racists or far-right, we just went on a racist far-right march organised by the country’s most notorious criminal far-right racist. One really does start to wonder whether some sort of IQ competency test should be applied to the right to vote.

    Oh, I see, I had one of the above mentioned brainwashing teachers who went on about the rise of the Nazis, and what a bunch of degenerates Hitler’s crew were.  It all makes sense now.

     

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    Hirsute

    I wonder why that was in the

    I wonder why that was in the edp – no where near warwickshire.

    Why isn’t Finch brainwashed ? And can he define wokeism ?

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    chrisonabike

    Rendel Harris wrote:

    Rendel Harris wrote:
    One really does start to wonder whether some sort of IQ competency test should be applied to the right to vote.

    Next: ” ‘Extreme left-wing cyclists are questioning your right to vote!’ shouts South-African-American trolling-playground billionaire here to save British democracy and the working class (is this right?), ‘How long before they -‘ (continues with further unhinged comments, some just ‘for lolz’) “

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    chrisonabike

    BBC also have a fairly “info
    BBC also have a fairly “info-lite” interview with a couple who went, plus some other comments.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4g9006l6z6o

    The common line seems to be “I just went to support free speech / my country, I dunno much about the organiser…”

    So it’s “came in solidarity / because we feel (economically) put-upon and not listened to, stayed for the conspiracy theories / ‘they’ are taking your country and silencing you”.

    EDIT good comment by a counter-protester who said they heard some racist language:

    But I think it’s easy for us to say that the rally was full of people who are racist. The reality is that the majority, I’m sure the majority of the people there, were there for what they thought were the right reasons, but the people leading the rally were there for racist reasons and I think that was very evident in the speeches they gave.

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    Rendel Harris

    Wendy wrote:

    Wendy wrote:
    ”We just wanted to say that we are not racists or far-right. We’re just a normal couple that live in West Sussex with our 21 year old. We do not follow Tommy Robinson but he was the one who organised the march.”

    We are not racists or far-right, we just went on a racist far-right march organised by the country’s most notorious criminal far-right racist. One really does start to wonder whether some sort of IQ competency test should be applied to the right to vote.

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    David9694

    Ranvir Singh told to quit

    Ranvir Singh told to quit Good Morning Britain after emotional speech on far-right march

    Singh revealed she’s been told to ‘resign’ by some Good Morning Britain viewers after airing her views on London’s far-right march during the show on Monday morning

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/ranvir-singh-told-quit-good-35908687

    Normalise attending a Tommy Robinson rally – this report from GMB a few days ago is a bit sketchy, but that seems to be the message.  Following an extremist, but in a consequence-free, didn’t inhale kind of way – it sounds like a risky approach to adopt to me, thinking about my 1930s history.  Did Wendy (below) simply decide that at £32 each Chessington WoA was too expensive, or something?  

    “I don’t want to believe that 150,000 people are out and out racists” 

    I liked how Reid and Madeley put it to her, as though it’s her problem, that half the viewers were full of hate towards her. 

    “But half of people saying thank you for saying what you said because it resonated. And I just want to mention somebody called Wendy who’s DM’d me and is reflective of the vast majority in the middle, and I massively appreciate her getting in touch.

    Viewer Wendy said to Ranvir in her message: “Saw you on the TV, you were talking about the march that happened on Saturday. I’m sorry that you felt like you couldn’t do what you wanted to do that day. Me and my husband went to the March on Saturday.”

    “We just wanted to say that we are not racists or far-right. We’re just a normal couple that live in West Sussex with our 21 year old. We do not follow Tommy Robinson but he was the one who organised the march. If it was organised by someone else we still would have gone.”

    This story has been doing the rounds, usually headlined  “Ranvir Singh told to quit”  though even the Daily Express managed to put a nicer headline on it at one point: “Ranvir Singh shares heartbreaking reason she didn’t feel safe during Tommy Robinson rally”. I can’t find a write-up of what was said on Monday – might try and find it on ITV X. 

     

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    David9694

    Some poor soul from PA had to

    Some poor soul from PA had to turn in something from the Reform Party conference – this patch of incoherence is their best effort. 

    Reform UK council leader George Finch, 19, says sixth form is a ‘complete joke’

    https://www.edp24.co.uk/news/national/25445952.reform-uk-council-leader-george-finch-19-says-sixth-form-complete-joke/

    There’s something very fitting about his criticsm of sixth form – next up how long it takes to book a driving test, the paperwork you need to open a current account. 

    EDIT Here’s a lift from Lee Anderson’s contribution, thinking about Professor Watch and all that: 

    Ashfield MP Mr Anderson, who was also speaking on the panel, said Reform UK will root out teachers who are “brainwashing” children when asked about the possibility the Government could seek to make the curriculum more diverse.

    “There are some teachers… in our schools who are brainwashing our kids into their way of thinking.

    “When we get into power, we will root these teachers out, and hold them to account.”

    He said they should be teaching children about the industrial revolution and the First and Second World Wars or the history of medicine in the UK  rather than “diversity nonsense”.

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